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(AZCentral)   Man opens up a drive-through prayer stand on the side of the road. It's so popular people are calling 9-1-1 because it's backing traffic up for miles. "Right now, the rogue vendors, we need to control that aspect."   (azcentral.com) divider line 104
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2009-09-07 01:33:07 AM  
One woman pulled in on her way to Urgent Care for chest pains. He said the pains subsided with prayer, and she went home instead. In another instance

Question: If she had gone home and died, he could be held responsible for her death right?

Right...?
 
2009-09-07 01:34:29 AM  
Serves you right. Boobies.
 
2009-09-07 06:46:15 AM  
Rogue vendors?
I've heard The Lord works in mysterious ways.
 
2009-09-07 07:10:14 AM  
ninjakirby: One woman pulled in on her way to Urgent Care for chest pains. He said the pains subsided with prayer, and she went home instead. In another instance

Question: If she had gone home and died, he could be held responsible for her death right?

Right...?


on the same wavelength...
 
2009-09-07 07:14:45 AM  
Another blow for religious fanaticism...

/crazies
//all of them
 
2009-09-07 07:17:02 AM  
What? This requires a 911 call? I'll just go back to bed.
 
2009-09-07 07:18:27 AM  
"One woman pulled in on her way to Urgent Care for chest pains. He said the pains subsided with prayer, and she went home instead."

It's almost as if there are multiple conditions that cause chest pains that fade after time and don't require any kind of treatment....

/Angina
//Panic attack
///Indigestion
 
2009-09-07 07:20:46 AM  
If it's backing up traffic, perhaps it's not the best place to have it?
 
2009-09-07 07:20:55 AM  
The Envoy: "One woman pulled in on her way to Urgent Care for chest pains. He said the pains subsided with prayer, and she went home instead."

It's almost as if there are multiple conditions that cause chest pains that fade after time and don't require any kind of treatment....

/Angina
//Panic attack
///Indigestion


you can't say that. This is supposed to be a religious fanatic hate thread.
 
2009-09-07 07:22:13 AM  
A roadside fruit vendor was the inspiration for his prayer ministry. That was in the spring, but he said he wasn't ready. Illness and personal issues sidelined his plans until mid-August.

Illness? Heal thyself, prayer-man. Oh. I suppose that was one of the 'issues' ;)
 
2009-09-07 07:27:47 AM  
This is idolatry. These people should be stoned to death.
 
2009-09-07 07:28:21 AM  
And to think, all this time I've been working for a living. I didn't realize you could sell prayer - although now that I think about it, I guess the Catholics figured it out a long time ago.

I wonder how much it is to get a franchise....
 
2009-09-07 07:28:42 AM  
Jesus doesn't care much for the people who "attention whore" using prayer:

"Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you" (Matthew 6:5-6).
 
2009-09-07 07:30:20 AM  
StaleCoffee: This is idolatry. These people should be stoned to death.

I think it's highly likely that someone was stoned at some point during this process.

Not to death, though. Weed is very difficult to overdose on.
 
2009-09-07 07:31:34 AM  
untaken_name: And to think, all this time I've been working for a living. I didn't realize you could sell prayer - although now that I think about it, I guess the Catholics figured it out a long time ago.

I wonder how much it is to get a franchise....


Come up with your own unique way to have people pay to have bad things not happen ;)

i26.tinypic.com
 
2009-09-07 07:33:09 AM  
untaken_name: And to think, all this time I've been working for a living. I didn't realize you could sell prayer - although now that I think about it, I guess the Catholics figured it out a long time ago.

I wonder how much it is to get a franchise....


I knew getting ordained as a minister over the internet would come in useful one day!
 
2009-09-07 07:36:55 AM  
WTF is wrong with people that they need something like this to help them pray? It doesn't count if you don't have a witness?
 
2009-09-07 07:37:00 AM  
now, you have to forgive me because it's been 20 years since i've set foot inside a church, but isn't prayer something you do can/should for free, anywhere?

or does the. . . amplitude. . . of the prayer increase if you pay for it? how does this work, exactly?

why do people need other people to pray for them?

/curious
 
2009-09-07 07:39:51 AM  
xpennyroyaltyx: why do people need other people to pray for them?

/curious


For the exact same reason that people ask other people to "wish [them] good luck".
 
2009-09-07 07:41:45 AM  
xpennyroyaltyx: now, you have to forgive me because it's been 20 years since i've set foot inside a church, but isn't prayer something you do can/should for free, anywhere?

or does the. . . amplitude. . . of the prayer increase if you pay for it? how does this work, exactly?

why do people need other people to pray for them?

/curious


Christians believe that whenever two or more people come together in prayer, that the Lord is there as well.
 
2009-09-07 07:45:46 AM  
Bill in Little Rock: The Envoy: "One woman pulled in on her way to Urgent Care for chest pains. He said the pains subsided with prayer, and she went home instead."

It's almost as if there are multiple conditions that cause chest pains that fade after time and don't require any kind of treatment....

/Angina
//Panic attack
///Indigestion

you can't say that. This is supposed to be a religious fanatic hate thread.


Yeah well there's also heart attack and stroke, which can really fark you up if you don't get treatment. Just because there's a chance you won't end up with a debilitating brain injury for the rest of your life doesn't mean it's a good idea to take the chance.
 
2009-09-07 07:46:48 AM  
Ender's: Christians believe that whenever two or more people come together in prayer, that the Lord is there as well.

Kinky!
 
2009-09-07 07:47:50 AM  
ambercat: Bill in Little Rock: The Envoy: "One woman pulled in on her way to Urgent Care for chest pains. He said the pains subsided with prayer, and she went home instead."

It's almost as if there are multiple conditions that cause chest pains that fade after time and don't require any kind of treatment....

/Angina
//Panic attack
///Indigestion

you can't say that. This is supposed to be a religious fanatic hate thread.

Yeah well there's also heart attack and stroke, which can really fark you up if you don't get treatment. Just because there's a chance you won't end up with a debilitating brain injury for the rest of your life doesn't mean it's a good idea to take the chance.


Tell that to the followers of Christian Science.
 
2009-09-07 07:52:07 AM  
ambercat: Bill in Little Rock: The Envoy: "One woman pulled in on her way to Urgent Care for chest pains. He said the pains subsided with prayer, and she went home instead."

It's almost as if there are multiple conditions that cause chest pains that fade after time and don't require any kind of treatment....

/Angina
//Panic attack
///Indigestion

you can't say that. This is supposed to be a religious fanatic hate thread.

Yeah well there's also heart attack and stroke, which can really fark you up if you don't get treatment. Just because there's a chance you won't end up with a debilitating brain injury for the rest of your life doesn't mean it's a good idea to take the chance.


ninjakirby asked me this same question in another thread, he's trolling.

Anyway, sorry to miss this discussion but I am going home and getting some sleep.
 
2009-09-07 07:56:40 AM  
If anyone wants to pray instead of seeking medical attention for themselves when they're having chest pains/brain asplosions/the diabeetus/etc., please do! That's called culling the herd.

If they die before breeding, so much the better.

Now, those who eschew medicine in favor of prayer when their children are sick... I cannot condone that.
 
2009-09-07 07:59:55 AM  
I know a person who is enrolled in the Psychic Institute out of Berkley as a minister in training. She eschews all medical science, almost. Thinks that chemotherapy is one step short of assisted suicide. Thinks that the only way is holistic medicine.
 
2009-09-07 08:00:53 AM  
ninjakirby: One woman pulled in on her way to Urgent Care for chest pains. He said the pains subsided with prayer, and she went home instead. In another instance

Question: If she had gone home and died, he could be held responsible for her death right?

Right...?


In that case, our good Christian will be helping to do Darwin's good work.
 
2009-09-07 08:02:54 AM  
Ender's: Christians believe that whenever two or more people come together in prayer, that the Lord is there as well.

so does he ignore people who pray in ones? :)
 
2009-09-07 08:08:16 AM  
At the very least they should all be praying for better traffic..then not stop there the next time they are going by. Just answered their own prayer FTW!
 
2009-09-07 08:08:45 AM  
ambercat: Yeah well there's also heart attack and stroke, which can really fark you up if you don't get treatment. Just because there's a chance you won't end up with a debilitating brain injury for the rest of your life doesn't mean it's a good idea to take the chance.

I don't think that stroke or heart attack symptoms abate after time without any treatment.

/Not a doctor
 
2009-09-07 08:26:38 AM  
xpennyroyaltyx: now, you have to forgive me because it's been 20 years since i've set foot inside a church, but isn't prayer something you do can/should for free, anywhere?

or does the. . . amplitude. . . of the prayer increase if you pay for it? how does this work, exactly?


I don't get the impression that he's charging people. He seems like an old fart with nothing else to do, he probably gets off on it and his customers (?) do too. It's his hobby. Not my thing, but whatevs. He could be doing worse things.
 
2009-09-07 08:30:26 AM  
GoshAwful: If anyone wants to pray instead of seeking medical attention for themselves when they're having chest pains/brain asplosions/the diabeetus/etc., please do! That's called culling the herd.

If they die before breeding, so much the better.

Now, those who eschew medicine in favor of prayer when their children are sick... I cannot condone that.


You fail natural selection forever.

We do not want people this stupid breeding. I long for that far off future where people who believe that their imaginary friend grants their wishes is seen as an illness, not something to encourage.

If this guy is intentionally doing this to fleece the flock, good on him.
 
2009-09-07 08:31:10 AM  
And I fail reading comprehension, dangit. It's early, I'm tired, and have swine flu, don't mind me.
 
2009-09-07 08:32:19 AM  
The Envoy: ambercat: Yeah well there's also heart attack and stroke, which can really fark you up if you don't get treatment. Just because there's a chance you won't end up with a debilitating brain injury for the rest of your life doesn't mean it's a good idea to take the chance.

I don't think that stroke or heart attack symptoms abate after time without any treatment.

/Not a doctor


Well, that chest pain has a good tendency to go away when the person who is feeling it keels over
 
2009-09-07 08:36:54 AM  
Klivian: And I fail reading comprehension, dangit. It's early, I'm tired, and have swine flu, don't mind me.


That's quite alright... If they die before breeding could imply they die, then breed, which would bring about some horrible race of religious zombie babbies, just crawling and praying and pooping and...

No, can't think about that.
 
2009-09-07 08:40:17 AM  
GoshAwful: Klivian: And I fail reading comprehension, dangit. It's early, I'm tired, and have swine flu, don't mind me.


That's quite alright... If they die before breeding could imply they die, then breed, which would bring about some horrible race of religious zombie babbies, just crawling and praying and pooping and...

No, can't think about that.


How is zombie babby formed? How girlfrand get BRAAAAINS?
 
2009-09-07 08:51:15 AM  
We will now read from Matthew, Mark, Luke...
[stick of dynamite sails in through window]
... and DUCK.



www.ladyofthecake.com
 
2009-09-07 08:56:11 AM  
Bill in Little Rock: ninjakirby asked me this same question in another thread, he's trolling.

Not what I imagine you meant to quote, but the question is absolutely pertinent due to the amount of snake oil salesmen dressed in vestments or draped with crosses telling the ill and infirm, those perhaps most vulnerable of being exploited in our society, to not seek actual treatment. Those few who do provide disclaimers to seek proper medical care in accord with their...services...are only slightly less corrupt because this is reinforcing a mentality of taking two aspirin and praying to relieve a headache.

As well, ninjakirby doesn't troll. If you see a repeated question, this is because people don't provide adequate answers.
 
2009-09-07 08:59:39 AM  
Vangor: Bill in Little Rock: ninjakirby asked me this same question in another thread, he's trolling.

Not what I imagine you meant to quote, but the question is absolutely pertinent due to the amount of snake oil salesmen dressed in vestments or draped with crosses telling the ill and infirm, those perhaps most vulnerable of being exploited in our society, to not seek actual treatment. Those few who do provide disclaimers to seek proper medical care in accord with their...services...are only slightly less corrupt because this is reinforcing a mentality of taking two aspirin and praying to relieve a headache.

As well, ninjakirby doesn't troll. If you see a repeated question, this is because people don't provide adequate answers.


So...what about the 300,000 preventable deaths each year caused by doctors and/or hospitals? They're not praying - so it's ok. Right?
 
2009-09-07 09:07:40 AM  
Buy your way to heaven. That comes to one pound seven.
 
2009-09-07 09:10:20 AM  
untaken_name: So...what about the 300,000 preventable deaths each year caused by doctors and/or hospitals? They're not praying - so it's ok. Right?

Yes, because I feel we should discuss if faith healers should be held accountable for not properly emphasizing the necessity to seek medical treatment for a qualified health care professional, I am absolutely cheering for information errors and similar resulting in patient deaths.

Maybe I would prefer an easier exchange of medical information between hospitals, clinics, etc., to limit a vast majority of those errors. Maybe I would prefer to incentivize people to seek careers in medical care to lower the stress on doctors and nurses which would help. Maybe I acknowledge, too, while a death may be preventable to an extent there will be those which are unavoidable because of the volatile nature of medicine.
 
2009-09-07 09:10:41 AM  
It's at the church right? If only there were orderly places to put cars so they owners could get out and go inside.
 
2009-09-07 09:21:16 AM  
untaken_name: Vangor: Bill in Little Rock: ninjakirby asked me this same question in another thread, he's trolling.

Not what I imagine you meant to quote, but the question is absolutely pertinent due to the amount of snake oil salesmen dressed in vestments or draped with crosses telling the ill and infirm, those perhaps most vulnerable of being exploited in our society, to not seek actual treatment. Those few who do provide disclaimers to seek proper medical care in accord with their...services...are only slightly less corrupt because this is reinforcing a mentality of taking two aspirin and praying to relieve a headache.

As well, ninjakirby doesn't troll. If you see a repeated question, this is because people don't provide adequate answers.

So...what about the 300,000 preventable deaths each year caused by doctors and/or hospitals? They're not praying - so it's ok. Right?


That number seems rather high. Got a citation for it?

I won't argue with the basic idea that hospital care needs to be improved. But you gotta face the fact that a lot of people have died or been seriously hurt over the years from charlatans' elixirs and fake healings. At the very least they've wasted untold amounts of money on garbage.

Just look at argyria fer chrissakes. Assholes are STILL selling the silver cure and people are still turning irrevocably grey-blue.
 
2009-09-07 09:31:56 AM  
Bill in Little Rock: The Envoy: "One woman pulled in on her way to Urgent Care for chest pains. He said the pains subsided with prayer, and she went home instead."

It's almost as if there are multiple conditions that cause chest pains that fade after time and don't require any kind of treatment....

/Angina
//Panic attack
///Indigestion

you can't say that. This is supposed to be a religious fanatic hate thread.


Come on. Does that sound like a smart medical decision or a f***ing STUPID one?

I'm going with f***ing stupid, and this guy needs a beating for not convincing her to get medical testing. A real beating, not a metaphorical one.
 
2009-09-07 09:44:00 AM  
hosalabad: It's at the church right? If only there were orderly places to put cars so they owners could get out and go inside.

No, it's alongside a long stretch of road at a temporary tent.

If only there was a linked article to give you more valuable information about the topic ;)
 
2009-09-07 09:51:44 AM  
repeat.
 
2009-09-07 10:12:34 AM  
Marla Singer's Laundry: Come on. Does that sound like a smart medical decision or a f***ing STUPID one?

I'm going with f***ing stupid, and this guy needs a beating for not convincing her to get medical testing. A real beating, not a metaphorical one.


Was that directed at me or the snake oil salesman?
 
2009-09-07 10:25:16 AM  
vertiaset: A parable:

Once there were three men who lived all their lives in a desert. They had never seen or even heard of, rain, a river or a lake. In all of their experience water came from wells. They were familiar with mirages ... and they knew them to be only images of water. One day the wells dried up and the men set off to find water. They walked for miles until their waterskins went dry and they began to die of thirst. Then they stumbled over a dune and saw ... stretching for miles ... a great lake. One man ran to the lake and immediately began to drink ... restoring him to life. The his two friends said ... "Yosef what are you doing that is just a mirage ... it is false". His friend said ... "no brothers it is water". The second man, who had no world view of so much water ... watched ... then seeing his friend revived ran down to the lake and drank and also was saved. The third man refused to believe his eyes, convinced from his life experience that his friends were fools to think that water could exist in this form sat down, laughed at them and secure in his own "wisdom" refused to even approach the life giving water despite his friends entreaties. Slowly and painfully ... he died.

Thus it is with prayer.


So the people who believed their eyes lived? Kind of like the people who believe in medicine and modern science because they see it helping people?
 
2009-09-07 10:34:25 AM  
vertiaset: A parable:

Once there were three men who lived all their lives in a desert. They had never seen or even heard of, rain, a river or a lake. In all of their experience water came from wells. They were familiar with mirages ... and they knew them to be only images of water. One day the wells dried up and the men set off to find water. They walked for miles until their waterskins went dry and they began to die of thirst. Then they stumbled over a dune and saw ... stretching for miles ... a great lake. One man ran to the lake and immediately began to drink ... restoring him to life. The his two friends said ... "Yosef what are you doing that is just a mirage ... it is false". His friend said ... "no brothers it is water". The second man, who had no world view of so much water ... watched ... then seeing his friend revived ran down to the lake and drank and also was saved. The third man refused to believe his eyes, convinced from his life experience that his friends were fools to think that water could exist in this form sat down, laughed at them and secure in his own "wisdom" refused to even approach the life giving water despite his friends entreaties. Slowly and painfully ... he died.

Thus it is with prayer.


Except with water you can walk up to it and touch it. With water I can walk up to it, touch it, and see that it is there. With prayer you cannot.

With your analogy a person refuses reality despite being able to touch the water, see it is there, and see it revive his friends. Wouldn't this be like a person who prays rather than see a doctor for an infection, an infection their friends survived with antibiotics, and dies because?

Faith is good except when it is blinding.
 
2009-09-07 10:39:40 AM  
vertiaset: A parable:

Once there were three men who lived all their lives in a desert. They had never seen or even heard of, rain, a river or a lake. In all of their experience water came from wells. They were familiar with mirages ... and they knew them to be only images of water. One day the wells dried up and the men set off to find water. They walked for miles until their waterskins went dry and they began to die of thirst. Then they stumbled over a dune and saw ... stretching for miles ... a great lake. One man ran to the lake and immediately began to drink ... restoring him to life. The his two friends said ... "Yosef what are you doing that is just a mirage ... it is false". His friend said ... "no brothers it is water". The second man, who had no world view of so much water ... watched ... then seeing his friend revived ran down to the lake and drank and also was saved. The third man refused to believe his eyes, convinced from his life experience that his friends were fools to think that water could exist in this form sat down, laughed at them and secure in his own "wisdom" refused to even approach the life giving water despite his friends entreaties. Slowly and painfully ... he died.

Thus it is with prayer.


that is the stupidest parable i've ever read. Makes absolutely no sense. Now, the three little pigs.Thats a real parable.

/remember kids, always use stable and strong materials when building a house.
 
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