Thunderpipes: Obama is quickly turning this country into a spitting image of Nazi Germany without the armed forces buildup, no, wasn't really worth it. Only time until Obama and company start firing up the ovens.

Ramming bills through against American's wishes, appointing communists, 9/11 truthers as his personal advisers, Pelosi, Rangle, outright liars and criminals and you libtards scream and cheer his praises.

Hey, I wonder why I have this guy farkied as republitroll.

Thunderpipes: Obama is quickly turning this country into a spitting image of Nazi Germany without the armed forces buildup, no, wasn't really worth it. Only time until Obama and company start firing up the ovens.

Ramming bills through against American's wishes, appointing communists, 9/11 truthers as his personal advisers, Pelosi, Rangle, outright liars and criminals and you libtards scream and cheer his praises.

Obvious troll is obvious.

That no one is dumb enough to ask? Subby hasn't been in public undergrad universities recently, if there is a class that covers WW2, there'll be a prof or grad student who argues WW2 was all about big business and therefore we were all suckered into it for only big business's gain. Or the anti-commies.

NoSaySo:

If an equivalent terrorist attack were carried out today, you bet your ass NRO ....

champion invading and occupying a country that had nothing to do with it.

GoodasGold: DNRTFA, but let me say this:

Over 50 million people died.

50 m-i-l-l-i-o-n.

Has anyone any idea how much suffering that was? Do you people set such little value on human life?

I believe the point of Pat Buchanon's book, The Unnecessary War (I've only read a review)is to look at the diplomatic blunders that were made so as to better avoid them in the future. He was savaged as a nazi a few days ago in Fark for asking such questions. So much for intellectual discourse.

Today, a case could be made that the US, like Britain with its gaurantees to Poland, is over extended with alliances and empire. Especially the west as a whole with NATO. NATO should have been disbanded in 1989.

Pat Buchanan's not a horrible person for questioning whether World War II was inevitable or whether we should have fought in it. He is, however, a classic racist. He's not a racist demagogue. He doesn't hide behind a white hood. He just believes that whites have a special entitlement to the best in American life because our ancestors (in part) created Western civilization.

Sometimes he's like a racist grandfather and I want to like him in spite of it. But he's an old Irish Catholic racist. There's no getting around that, and when he devotes so much time to saying we should have left Hitler alone, it makes you wonder why he cares.

cryptozoophiliac: The Lincoln Brigade, a group of American "leftists" who fought against Generalissimo Francisco Franco (who's still dead btw):



Approves



/more manly than Chuck Norris guzzling flaming gasoline while punching grizzly bears

anwserman: Are you farking serious? I'm seriously surprised these guys haven't gone apeshiat over the fact that liberal and innovative thinking led to the US being separated from another country.

NRO: Was the Revolutionary War worth it? Inside, information on how our lives would be better if we still served the Queen.

It would be Canada South?

According to Republican Mythology, World War II ended the Great Depression. So yeah, I doubt they'd be genuinely asking if it was worthwhile.

I did check out the article. Victor Davis Hanson, neocon court historian...ugh.

Even a slight questioning of the "good war" will not sit well with his paymasters. Dangerous waters, Victor. Better to stick with the Peloponnesian War and propagandizing for war with Iran if you want to continue to be of use to them.

A fellow San Joaquin valley boy too! So sad.

randomjsa: How many people read the article and just didn't take the retarded submitters word for it?

While I disagree with a few things in the article, it's not a bad article compared with a lot of the other NRO offerings that show up here.

Snarfangel: Moray: My mother is French so It was worth it for me. My father was a US Air Force vet.

That's a Moray!

LOL!

indylaw: Pat Buchanan's not a horrible person for questioning whether World War II was inevitable or whether we should have fought in it. He is, however, a classic racist. He's not a racist demagogue. He doesn't hide behind a white hood. He just believes that whites have a special entitlement to the best in American life because our ancestors (in part) created Western civilization.

Sometimes he's like a racist grandfather and I want to like him in spite of it. But he's an old Irish Catholic racist. There's no getting around that, and when he devotes so much time to saying we should have left Hitler alone, it makes you wonder why he cares.


Well first of all, he chose a black running mate when he ran for president. I have also seen him write about african-americans as "our" oldest partner in America. So perhaps not a "classic" racist whatever that is.

Where is racist/someone with racial awareness in your hierarchy of crimes against humanity? Above or below rape and murder?
Is a Jew against intermarriage also to be condemned? How about an African-American with a strong attachment to his "volk" and the culture on the mother continent?

Yes, he probably does believe that the children of the people that created our civilization and culture should be able to enjoy the fruits of that labor. I would imagine that outside of the brainwashing of our current age, this has been a universal sentiment in all cultures to some degree.

late for work.

Goodfella: /more manly than Chuck Norris guzzling flaming gasoline while punching grizzly bears

And yet, still gay.

Wow, submitard has a reading comprehension problem. This is not what the article is about. Not even close. The article is well thought out (albiet short) analysis of WW2 70 years later. The question of whether or not all the bloodshed was worth what followed (the Cold War etc.) was a minor and completely reasonable point brought up by Mr Hanson.

But Versailles was far more lenient than what the Germans had planned for Britain and France should they have won in 1918.

lol

For those the did not RTFA here is the last paragraph. It is a retorical question at the very end of the article:

Did any good come from such a monstrous bloodletting?

Perhaps. The Holocaust was finally stopped before every Jew in Europe was killed as Hitler had planned. Germany, Italy, and Japan were transformed from monstrous regimes into liberal states whose democracies have done much for humanity in the ensuing years. And Western civilization survived its own heretical cannibals - to foster in the ensuing decades the greatest growth in freedom and prosperity in the history of the planet.

OMG! What a horrible statement. Everyone panic....

( righty hat on )

WW2:

1. Ended Great Depression.
2. Left USA as Leader of Free World.
3. Spawned military-industrial complex.
4. Militarized/regimented civilian life, culture and speech.
5. (Eventually) Nipped Commie-Jew-queer New Deal government in the bud.

It's all good.

( righty hat off )

Epic Facepalm

Thunderpipes: Any of you pussy liberals going to actually deny Obama appointed a 9/11 truther and a communist as one of his top advisors?

He signed one petition (claiming he didn't read it carefully), and described himself as having been a communist 17 years ago.

Believe it or not, many of us believe thinking about things and changing our minds -- and even changing them again from later evidence -- are actually smart things to do. We don't think of unthinking support of a particular position as meritorious. Instead, we have another word for it: stupid.

I don't care for Obama's profligate spending, but the ridiculous accusations of the Conservatives ("He's a communist who wants to brain-wash our children!") means that I don't have much of an alternative.

Only two wars were worth it:

World War II and Star Wars (not the prequels.)

Haven't read the article yet, but Victor Davis Hanson is one of this country's foremost military history authors. His books are fantastic.

jjorsett: The actual question from TFA was, "Did any good come from such a monstrous bloodletting?" It's a rhetorical device used by the author so that he can relate some of the justifications for the conflict, not an implicit criticism or obtuseness. Some submitters and commenters need to get some training in reading comprehension. Or maybe actually read TFA in some of your cases.


Just quoting jjorsett for the farkers who did not RTFA.
This was a well written and balanced article whether it came from NRO or the Daily Kos.


Don't some of you ever get tired of being incensed and angry all the time?

/Rant

You idiot republican's should really take the time to compare your low quality posts to the "other" posts. The space you take up on any forum is not only an eyesore but a complete waste of time. Hell, the air you breathe is a loss to all humanity.

It is ridiculously easy to figure out who is a republican by the poor grammar and completely bat-sh*t-crazy idea's of what is good for the country / world. You morons always keep falling back onto the same line of rhetoric:

Obama is bad because "Some other guy that is loosely related to Obama did something bad". That is like saying "Because my uncle stole a car I am bad and should be locked up as a car thief". Your moronic Republican logic falls outside the realm of realistic and causes you to be mocked by people with any hint of intelligence.

The sad part being that I have many conservative idea's that put many liberals off. But the Republican party and it crazy ass followers drive me to side with the non-crazy intelligent folk. Until you retards start condemning the crazy in your party, you will find my vote unavailable.

/Rant off.

Thunderpipes: Obama is quickly turning this country into a spitting image of Nazi Germany without the armed forces buildup, no, wasn't really worth it. Only time until Obama and company start firing up the ovens.

Ramming bills through against American's wishes, appointing communists, 9/11 truthers as his personal advisers, Pelosi, Rangle, outright liars and criminals and you libtards scream and cheer his praises.

Ever noticed there are few if any liberal trolls? Coincidence. I THINK NOT.

Bucky Katt:
I never realized that Randist free market capitalism was compatible with Nazism.

Really?

Replace "producers" with "arian race" and replace "parasites," "looters," and "moochers" with the usual boogie men (communists, liberals and jews, though maybe not in that order?)
It actually works quite well. "There's good people and bad people. The good people should really do something about the bad people."

FTFA: "One of the great mysteries of the war is how an isolated Britain survived the Blitz, German submarines, Gen. Erwin "the Desert Fox" Rommel, and the industrial might of the entire European continent until Russia and America joined its cause."

Uh, no "mystery" there, buddy. Supply-wise, the UK had its lend-lease agreement with the Americans and the convoy system to deal with the U-boats. Militarily, they had support from various Commonwealth forces. Those, among other things, enabled the Brits to hold out long enough for the tide to turn.

FTA: Did any good come from such a monstrous bloodletting?
By Victor Davis Hanson

Uhhh, you mean other than the whole "lack of militant fascism taking the world over by force, murdering, torturing, and committing genocide against peoples it deemed inferior like you and I eat sandwiches" sort of thing? To say nothing of the emergence of the US as a first-rate world power?

Bad as the Axis was, of course I realize that the effects of fighting and defeating them were wide-ranging and not all wonderful. The MI complex would be one burden I think we still shoulder largely because of the events and ramifications of WW2. Still, I'm going with an unqualified "yes", Victor Davis Hanson. Yes, WW2 was worth it.

From the article:

The Holocaust was finally stopped before every Jew in Europe was killed as Hitler had planned. Germany, Italy, and Japan were transformed from monstrous regimes into liberal states whose democracies have done much for humanity in the ensuing years. And Western civilization survived its own heretical cannibals - to foster in the ensuing decades the greatest growth in freedom and prosperity in the history of the planet.

That's a "perhaps"?

OMFG, some of you just have no ability to comprehend what you read.

The article is not written to suggest that it was not, but rather to show how much of it is being re-invented. The last paragraph clearly makes the point that the answer is "yes, of course, sheesh!"

It's like you people can understand that articles can be written in some other voice besides literal indoctrination. It's just a bit of Sarcasm folks, it's not THAT hard to see. Good grief, no wonder you keep electing idiots.

Kazrath: /Rant

You idiot republican's should really take the time to compare your low quality posts to the "other" posts. ...

Is thi's satire?

johnwarfen
The article is not written to suggest that it was not, but rather to show how much of it is being re-invented.

Mea culpa, though I hesitate to say that I should have actually read that Victor Davis Hanson oped. Knee withdrawn.

Germany, Italy, and Japan were transformed from monstrous regimes into liberal states whose democracies have done much for humanity in the ensuing years

But if they were transformed into liberal democracies doesn't that mean they're actually godless socialists ?

Y'all are postin' in a troll thread.

/Republican-esque, politically
/Wishes there was major third alternative

jjorsett: The actual question from TFA was, "Did any good come from such a monstrous bloodletting?" It's a rhetorical device used by the author so that he can relate some of the justifications for the conflict, not an implicit criticism or obtuseness. Some submitters and commenters need to get some training in reading comprehension. Or maybe actually read TFA in some of your cases.

If that were to actually happen,there would be no FARK. Without FARK then how would we be able to prove to the world the success of our educational system?

hariseldon:
As FARK refuses to include a thread-tree for some reason, any attempts
at rational discourse are just about impossible.

Pxtl:
Thread-trees are designed for reading an entire conversation.

Except that on FARK, (and any site which uses a flat-thread format) there
is no entire conversation, there are just dozens of posts vomited up one
after another without any regard to what others have already said.

With a thread-tree, one can easily carry on a conversation with specific
individuals on specific subjects without having to wade through bazillions
of unrelated and more often that not, completely retarded posts.

Flat-threads on the other hand, encourage immature, hit-and-run postings
instead of actual debate of the subject at hand.

And that's unfortunate, as there are plenty of interesting and more or less
intelligent people here on FARK but it's impossible to keep track of what
they're talking about without a thread-tree.

Pxtl:
Flat threads let you keep up on what's being said right now.

And that's all flat threads are good for, regardless of whether what is being
said right now has any relation to what the discussion is about.

Pxtl:
Thread trees result in comments being completely missed because you're
replying to a thread that the guy who posted it is long gone and nobody is
checking that particular thread.

I'd suggest that the exact opposite is the case.

Odds are you'll never see this post because it will be tacked on at the end
of dozens of other unrelated posts and scrolling through all those unrelated
posts to see if someone possibly replied to your post is a PITA, even when
your FARK handle is highlighted.

And for someone who was not involved in this specific discussion within
the overall thread but might have something interesting to say about it if
they knew it was happening, it is just about impossible, as our comments
will be lost among all the other unrelated posts listed in the flat thread
format.

Pxtl:
Digg's comment volume seems to have gone down since they went treed.

Probably because posters are now having actual discussions and are not
just shouting comments into a screeching mass of WHARRGARBL.

Pxtl:
And comment-volume is important if you want anybody to talk to.

As long as you don't particularly care what is being said....



hariseldon:
As FARK refuses to include a thread-tree for some reason, any attempts
at rational discourse are just about impossible.

RockIsDead:
You need to join FarkSerious™.

I enjoy the funny comments and pics (even if they have nothing to do with
the discussion) as much as the next guy but including a thread-tree wouldn't
prevent that and would probably result in more and better jokes, as the
discussion would be easier for everyone to follow.

DancingJester: As far as I was aware the Luftwaffe's losses in the Western theatre outstripped their Eastern front losses significantly. Have you got a link to prove me wrong with? Or a good book maybe?

I've seen a LOT of aircraft wreckage in Eastern Europe. That's by far where most of the actual combat in WWII took place. If you're looking for a good book, check out "Stuka Pilot". The author was a highly decorated pilot and unrepentant Nazi, but still, he spent a LOT of time in the Ost, which was where he scored the vast majority of his kills and lost a great many Komeraden. (I was going to put "comrades", but when talking about the Eastern Front in WWII, that word has different connotations than "Komeraden" has.)

Saiga410: WW2 was not worth it. The aliens never arrived and I am stuck with all this ginger.

Hey, it's OK. I've got a bunch of Rhoodies in the gunsafe.

Davey Croquette: I don't care for France. It's all cigarettes and body hair.

My point exactly. Picture France being carpetbombed. Wouldn't that be a major improvement?

obama's "green czar", Van Jones, says WWII was an inside job. (wink wink) The "news" media is all over the story.

The Van Jones (non) feeding frenzy (new window)

FTFA "between September 1939 and June 1941. From May 1940, it fought almost alone against the entire continent of occupied Europe"

errr, the commonwealth of nations was sorta involved ("mother england" was hardly a loner)
// a-hole

Thanks for the Meme-ries

Which part of europe are your from
the part whose ass we saved or the part whose ass we kicked

What part of the US are you from
The part they called New England ? The french quarter ? maybe the spanish area ?
How's that language working out for ya ?

Enjoy the war of independence ?

Chill out in Lafayette square tomorrow (bound to be one in your town, there is in a lot of towns), salute the red white and blue, then marvel at the italian architecture on your currency.
Maybe drink some beer, or maybe some wine.
(Ill join ya if ya like, I like most of that stuff too)

Secret Master of All Flatulence: France being carpetbombed. Wouldn't that be a major improvement?



nope

joethebastard: biff

Good to know.. then Bush had it half right then, right? Cock

hariseldon: Odds are you'll never see this post because it will be tacked on at the end
of dozens of other unrelated posts and scrolling through all those unrelated
posts to see if someone possibly replied to your post is a PITA, even when
your FARK handle is highlighted.

ctrl+f

Hmmm... I wonder
MorseCodeNowInHiDef: I wonder if it will just highlight the name
jonnypeh: hariseldon: Odds are you'll never see this post because it will be tacked on at the end
of dozens of other unrelated posts and scrolling through all those unrelated
posts to see if someone possibly replied to your post is a PITA, even when
your FARK handle is highlighted.

ctrl+f
Ahh... That's why I'm usually in the flyover posts!