Well, Iraqi food and music are superior to Mexican ones.

nopokerface: EZ Writer: Better question though is, who greenlit this WHARRGARBL headline?

I thought it was more moonbat.


Ahhhh... I stand corrected.

What a moonbat might look like:

EZ Writer: Wow, Subby... That is some world-class douchebaggery...

FTA: The Holocaust was finally stopped before every Jew in Europe was killed as Hitler had planned. Germany, Italy, and Japan were transformed from monstrous regimes into liberal states whose democracies have done much for humanity in the ensuing years. And Western civilization survived its own heretical cannibals - to foster in the ensuing decades the greatest growth in freedom and prosperity in the history of the planet.

Yes, NRO asked the question... but they also answered it. Better question though is, who greenlit this WHARRGARBL headline?


I enjoyed the way you left the "Perhaps" out. You know, that 7 letter answer that preceeded the reasons, for said answer, that you so kindly posted. Thanks for that.

TFA: Did any good come from such a monstrous bloodletting?

This is called rhetorical flourish. The headline on the other hand, is called farksauce.

NewportBarGuy: "I approve of this message!" -Obergruppenführer Pat Buchanan

That really bothers you doesn't it? Why? Let go man. Live in the now.

Tatsuma: Well, Iraqi food and music are superior to Mexican ones.

Ooohhhhh, Tatsuma... You had me, then you lost me. Iraqi food and music are where nightmares come from.

Finite Elephant: Given where our current president was born, NRO probably disagrees with the whole not letting Japan have HawaiiAfrica thing.

FTFY

Capitalist1: Factors to consider:

1. Stopped the Holocaust. Yes, worth it.

2. Everyone who fought against Hitler adopted all of his ideas *aside* from turning Jews into household knicknacks. No. Might as well have stayed home.

1. Stopped A Holocaust. And totally worth it in its own right. However, anyone who thinks Hitler would suddenly go sane and stop looking for human scapegoats to fuel his ambitions (had he succeeded) is in denial. I don't know what ethnic or religious group would have become public enemy #1 after he ravaged the Jews, but its a safe bet that it wasn't going to stop.

2. Stopped another depravity fest in the Pacific. While the US and China are hardly friends, I don't think anyone familiar with Nanking thinks that would have been an isolated incident if left unchecked. Nor do most people wish to see that kind of hell inflicted upon anybody outside of a movie theatre.

Dammit, now I'm craving a sabich.

Thunderpipes: Obama is quickly turning this country into a spitting image of Nazi Germany without the armed forces buildup, no, wasn't really worth it. Only time until Obama and company start firing up the ovens.

Ramming bills through against American's wishes, appointing communists, 9/11 truthers as his personal advisers, Pelosi, Rangle, outright liars and criminals and you libtards scream and cheer his praises.

You forgot about him wanting to brainwash out children next week.

such an arrogant Kenyan...

Thunderpipes: Obama is quickly turning this country into a spitting image of Nazi Germany without the armed forces buildup, no, wasn't really worth it. Only time until Obama and company start firing up the ovens.

Ramming bills through against American's wishes, appointing communists, 9/11 truthers as his personal advisers, Pelosi, Rangle, outright liars and criminals and you libtards scream and cheer his praises.

I'm actually to the point where I could get behind Obama if he wanted to start locking people like you up. I'm not down with the whole oven thing, but people like yourself are mentally ill. No re-education camps, just thorazine and a padded cell.

Of course, about 75% of the Republican party is just as retarded as you, so we're going to need bigger asylums.

TraeHova: I enjoyed the way you left the "Perhaps" out. You know, that 7 letter answer that preceeded the reasons, for said answer, that you so kindly posted. Thanks for that.


Because of the paragraph following "Perhaps" led me to believe its use was cynical in nature. Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps you're just being a douche.

TraeHova: I enjoyed the way you left the "Perhaps" out. You know, that 7 letter answer that preceeded the reasons, for said answer, that you so kindly posted. Thanks for that.

Sarcasm. Look it up. After the things he listed as positives from the war, do you think there is any ambiguity in his opinion as to whether or not it was worth it?

Podna: Link

Also "the trenches" its a HL 1 mod

Iiinteresting. I get the feeling, though, that the gritty realism factor will be dialed back to allow more of the playability factor to shine through. Nobody's going to want to play, "You're sitting in the trenches... artillery dialed in, you're dead. Okay, so this time you decide to make a break for the German trenches... minefield, you're dead. Okay, this time you navigated the minefield... machine gun nest, you're dead. Respawn... mustard gas, you're dead. Respawn... dysentery, you're dead."

FTFA: "By 1944, the Allies had the best and most numerous tanks, artillery and planes; the largest armies; the best wartime leadership in Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin; and the most adept generals."


I'm not sure TFA should include Stalin in there as a great wartime leader since he started out allied with the enemy. While the Soviet Union was undoubtably the key critical player in Europe, they worsened their situation by helping build Hitler's war machine into the monster it was.

And as to great generals, the Soviets suffered 24,000,000 casualities fighting the Germans almost exclusively while the Germans suffered 6,500,000 to 8,500,000 fighting everyone. Attrition does not a great general make.

*High-fives nopokerface*

/Closest I've ever come to a simulpost.

Woodrow Wilson - history's greatest monster.

EZ Writer: *High-fives nopokerface*

/Closest I've ever come to a simulpost.

The honor is all mine, sir.

/not that close in time
//almost identical in message
///thank you for your service.

pacmanner: Thunderpipes: Obama is quickly turning this country into a spitting image of Nazi Germany without the armed forces buildup, no, wasn't really worth it. Only time until Obama and company start firing up the ovens.

Ramming bills through against American's wishes, appointing communists, 9/11 truthers as his personal advisers, Pelosi, Rangle, outright liars and criminals and you libtards scream and cheer his praises.

Ramming bills against wishes. Does the Patriot Act count? Appointing communists. Hey if a "communist" can get the job done, whatever. Better than appointing unqualified dipshiats to posts in the government like say FEMA. Personal advisors? Cheney and Rumsfeld and some of their peers were some of the biggest twats to ever come out of the Nixon administration. As for liars and criminals? Are you farking kidding me?

this! how could appointing a dipshiat republican to a government post be any worse than bringing a communist party member into the government? at the very least, communist party members haven't publicly avowed their primary goals are obstructtionist like the gop have.

God forbid they should ask whether the Iraq war was worth it, like not-crazy people.

Persnickety: I'm not sure TFA should include Stalin in there as a great wartime leader...

I blanched when I read that as well. I think it is fair to say that the Soviets "won" in spite of Stalin, not because of him. That said, the primary reason they "won" was their complete and total disregard for the value of their soldiers' lives.

chipspastic: God forbid they should ask whether the Iraq war was worth it, like not-crazy people.

Damn near six years after you pull the trigger is not the time to ask, "Should we be doing this?" And pardon me if I'm skeptical of their newfound introspection, which in no way has anything to do with the political party of the sitting president, especially after 5 straight years of cheerleading, which also had absolutely nothing to do with the political party of the sitting president.

Aside from the marginally literate, almost public school educated fry cook and busboy typical farker: it's not a stupid question to ask.

If you read George Kennan's book, "American Diplomacy" he makes the point that American accomplished very little from it's participation in WWII. Yeah, we defeated Hitler. And in doing so, we made Stalin a global power. And Stalin executed more civilians, and threatened the USA far more than Hitler ever dreamed of doing. So we spent all that money and all those lives to get rid of a man who killed 6 million of his own + 31 million foreigners and replaced him with a guy who killed 40 million of his own + 9 million foreigners.

The only reason you tards -and I'm looking at you subby- call that a silly question, is that your shiatty educations don't criticize Stalin in the way they do Hitler.

When all the dust settled: most of Europe was still ruled by a mass murdering tyrant operating death camps, and overrunning smaller nations when it suited his whim.

But what would Kennan know? He was only an Ambassador to the USSR, adviser to 6 Administrations, and one of the authors of the Marshall Plan and Truman doctrine that dominated all US foreign policy for 50 years.

Honestly, I stopped reading after he entirely dismissed the conditions of the Treaty of Versailles by saying the Germans would have done worse if they had the chance. It ceased to be in any way a reasoned, rational argument at that point for me.

Anything that starts out that bass-ackwards will end up bass-ackwards.

syrynxx: TFA isn't really as bad as the headline makes it seem. It asks a rhetorical question "Was all this bloodletting really worth it?" which only makes sense if viewed from the German/Japanese point of view. The Americans/British didn't do the bloodletting.

The Soviets got screwed. 25 million dead. Can you imagine a Vietnam War Memorial wall for 25 million KIAs? It would be a mile long.

Yeah, I'm not gonna really cry a river for the Soviets, at least not their political ruling class. The suckers who had to fight for their homes against the Nazis and the poor bastards at Stalingrad sure but the Sovs were hardly paragons of virtue that many revisionists have tried to claim lately. Yeah, they lost millions of lives but they also started technically 2 wars against Finland in that time and oh, took over part of Poland (and the rest of the Baltic states) at the "start" of WW2 with the Molotov-Ribbentrop deal with Germany and then end up with the Warsaw pact buffer zone/sphere of influence.

Interesting reading regarding WW2 anniversary:
Link (new window)

Tat'dGreaser: Poopspasm: Of course, about 75% of the Republican party is just as retarded as you, so we're going to need bigger asylums.

That's not a Republican, that's called a crazy person.

If you haven't noticed, lately that's becoming more of a set-subset problem. Seriously, most people who still self-identify as Republican are raving lunatics of Bachmann-like proportions. Not all, but probably at least 3/4s of them. Exhibit A: Tea Baggers.

I don't like VDH at all, but subby needs to learn how to read.

Actually, I personally think it is good WW2 happened when it did. Not because I like people dying or other types of misery, but it was close enough to the invention of the atom bomb to have prevented a global nuclear war. With WW2 fresh in memory people were reluctant to start WW3.

If any of my fellow geeks have read 'God emperor of Dune', you should know what I'm talking about.

Control_this: Got to nuke 2 cities, convincing the world we are crazy-ass muthafuackas.

/priceless

Not so sure you would feel that way if you were a member of the US Armed Forces slated for Operation Downfall, the invasion of Japan. Estimates were there were going to be 1,000,0000 + casualties.

We asked them to surrender, they said no, we bombed Hiroshima, they said no, we bombed Nagasaki, they said well OK

RenHoekNL: If any of my fellow geeks have read 'God emperor of Dune', you should know what I'm talking about.

Was the moral of that one, "If at first you don't succeed, touch off a few stoneburners,"?

RenHoekNL: If any of my fellow geeks have read 'God emperor of Dune', you should know what I'm talking about.

This little meme was a running joke on Fark with me and VideoVader, who made the accompanying pic:



Still cracks me the hell up.

HappyDaddy: Persnickety: I'm not sure TFA should include Stalin in there as a great wartime leader...

I blanched when I read that as well. I think it is fair to say that the Soviets "won" in spite of Stalin, not because of him. That said, the primary reason they "won" was their complete and total disregard for the value of their soldiers' lives.

I blame the weather.

Van Jones is a 9/11 truther. He signed that stupid ass thing days after 9/11. Farkers normally hate 9/11 truthers. Yet you all sit here and support this clown?

Wow, just....wow. If you only knew how pathetic you sound when you defend your Messiah on things like this.

DarnoKonrad: I blame the weather.

But you never do anything about it.

I_C_Weener: Well we never would have finished it if the media had kept the body count. So perspective is important.

Are you serious?

Moray: My mother is French so It was worth it for me. My father was a US Air Force vet.

That's a Moray!

JohnCarter: Not so sure you would feel that way if you were a member of the US Armed Forces slated for Operation Downfall, the invasion of Japan. Estimates were there were going to be 1,000,0000 + casualties.

Fun fact I break out every time this topic comes up: Every single Purple Heart awarded in every conflict since WW2 was minted in early '45. They were minted in anticipation of the casualties from Operation Downfall. As of '03, there were still 120,000 warehoused.

Thunderpipes: Van Jones is a 9/11 truther. He signed that stupid ass thing days after 9/11. Farkers normally hate 9/11 truthers. Yet you all sit here and support this clown?

Wow, just....wow. If you only knew how pathetic you sound when you defend your Messiah on things like this.

Karma fail is delicious...

HappyDaddy: DarnoKonrad: I blame the weather.

But you never do anything about it.

Well, before I send my war machine across the eastern European plain, I always check the Farmer's Almanac.

Occam's Chainsaw: Thakh: Without WW2, the video game industry would only have 1/3rd of the titles it has today!

I want to see a FPS set in WW1. Run out of the trench, die, respawn, run out of the trench, die, respawn...

Oh lordie-loo. I laughed WAY too hard at that.

Thunderpipes: Obama is quickly turning this country into a spitting image of Nazi Germany without the armed forces buildup, no, wasn't really worth it. Only time until Obama and company start firing up the ovens.

Ramming bills through against American's wishes, appointing communists, 9/11 truthers as his personal advisers, Pelosi, Rangle, outright liars and criminals and you libtards scream and cheer his praises.

4/10

You've got a few bites, but you gave it away with the "firing up the ovens" bit, and your profile says you're from Burlington, VT.

If it had said Kansas, Texas, or Utah you'd be more believable.

jjorsett: randomjsa: How many people read the article and just didn't take the retarded submitters word for it?

So far, I count 4.

It can't be that high.

/DRTFA

HappyDaddy: DarnoKonrad: I blame the weather.

But you never do anything about it.

Sure he does...

HappyDaddy: Persnickety: I'm not sure TFA should include Stalin in there as a great wartime leader...

I blanched when I read that as well. I think it is fair to say that the Soviets "won" in spite of Stalin, not because of him. That said, the primary reason they "won" was their complete and total disregard for the value of their soldiers' lives.

Not to mention, as we were talking about in a thread just the other day, Stalin was caught flat footed with his pants around his ankles when the Germans initiated hostilities, despite plenty of advance warning that they were going to.

The world might be a very different place today if A. Stalin wasn't in denial about the imminent German attack and B. The Russian army wasn't so woefully unequipped.