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(National Post)   "Keep religion out of public schools." "HELP WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED" "Ok, then let's teach kids about every religion instead of just yours." "HELP WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED"   (nationalpost.com) divider line 596
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2009-09-03 09:35:51 PM  
farking christians.
 
2009-09-03 09:39:48 PM  
Obvious tag?
 
2009-09-03 09:44:10 PM  
csxtrainwreck: Obvious tag?

is out to lunch, apparently
 
2009-09-03 09:57:48 PM  
csxtrainwreck: Obvious tag?
 
2009-09-03 10:14:51 PM  
This Christian fundamentalist approves of the 2nd option. Make sure you include atheism, too, although not technically a religion.
 
2009-09-03 10:25:54 PM  
pxlboy: farking christians.

Paulites. They stopped listening to Christ a long time ago.
 
2009-09-03 10:29:31 PM  
gregscott: This Christian fundamentalist approves of the 2nd option. Make sure you include atheism, too, although not technically a religion.

What's to teach about atheism? Just teach all the religions to the students and they'll know all about atheism soon enough.
 
2009-09-03 10:30:03 PM  
That sounds par for the course.
 
2009-09-03 10:30:06 PM  
TFA: "Freedom of religion does not protect the right not to know what is going on in our universe."

This statement, if rigorously (and vigorously) applied, would put all religion out of business in a generation.
 
2009-09-03 10:30:21 PM  
They better teach the Church of Roxtar the Gloriously Magnificent Farker, or I'm gonna have to smite a biatch.

/seriously
//i'll sue

And, FTFA:

During the trial, the children's mother testified that she did not see why her 7-year-old son needs to learn about Islam when he is still forming his own Catholic spirituality. "It's very confusing," she said.


So, telling your kid that Santa is real, then a lie, then the Tooth Fairy is real, but a lie also, same with the Easter bunny, the Boogeyman, and other such things is alright, but then you expect the kid to not think that some guy who was killed then came back to life a few days later and now he has to eat his body and drink his blood so he doesn't go to hell because he was born with sin because a snake convinced a woman to eat some special fruit that was conveniently placed within their reach by their god who then damned them forever is nothing but fact?

Man, I can't wait to have kids. Farking with their heads sounds like fun.
 
2009-09-03 10:30:46 PM  
I only shop at the church of Clearly Verifiable Facts.
 
2009-09-03 10:33:36 PM  
csxtrainwreck: gregscott: This Christian fundamentalist approves of the 2nd option. Make sure you include atheism, too, although not technically a religion.

What's to teach about atheism? Just teach all the religions to the students and they'll know all about atheism soon enough.


this.
 
2009-09-03 10:34:35 PM  
gregscott

This Christian fundamentalist approves of the 2nd option. Make sure you include atheism, too, although not technically a religion


Devout Christians reject the thousand gods available execpt for one.

Atheists reject the 1001th.

You would think they were only 0.1 percent apart, except that, like the ski resort where young girls are seeking husbands and husbands are seeking young girls, the situation is not as symmetrical as it may fist appear.
 
2009-09-03 10:34:36 PM  
RoxtarRyan: They better teach the Church of Roxtar the Gloriously Magnificent Farker, or I'm gonna have to smite a biatch.

/seriously
//i'll sue

And, FTFA:

During the trial, the children's mother testified that she did not see why her 7-year-old son needs to learn about Islam when he is still forming his own Catholic spirituality. "It's very confusing," she said.

So, telling your kid that Santa is real, then a lie, then the Tooth Fairy is real, but a lie also, same with the Easter bunny, the Boogeyman, and other such things is alright, but then you expect the kid to not think that some guy who was killed then came back to life a few days later and now he has to eat his body and drink his blood so he doesn't go to hell because he was born with sin because a snake convinced a woman to eat some special fruit that was conveniently placed within their reach by their god who then damned them forever is nothing but fact?

Man, I can't wait to have kids. Farking with their heads sounds like fun.


+1
 
2009-09-03 10:36:20 PM  
fist appear

Talk about your Freudian slips. That was a Freudian fisting.
 
2009-09-03 10:39:43 PM  
RoxtarRyan

Man, I can't wait to have kids. Farking with their heads sounds like fun

When I was 8 my much older adopted brother not only convinced me I was going to hell because of the sin he had caused me to sommit, but he was going to rat me out to my mother about it. It cost me about $250 in allowance over two years.

When I found out God wasn't real I beat the shiat out of the mother farker and then pissed on him while he was nursing his kidneys.

Good times!
 
2009-09-03 10:40:49 PM  
I thought Canada was light years ahead of the USA on seperation of church and state.

/buy 'em a rug on your own time.
 
2009-09-03 10:43:25 PM  
What is a Canada?
 
2009-09-03 10:45:51 PM  
csxtrainwreck: gregscott: This Christian fundamentalist approves of the 2nd option. Make sure you include atheism, too, although not technically a religion.

What's to teach about atheism? Just teach all the religions to the students and they'll know all about atheism soon enough.


bingo
 
2009-09-03 10:47:54 PM  
b2theory: What is a Canada?

It's this place where people live close enough to America to reap the benefits without actually being called Americans.
 
2009-09-03 10:53:25 PM  
csxtrainwreck: b2theory: What is a Canada?

It's this place where people live close enough to America to reap the benefits without actually being called Americans.


....but that's not important right now.
www.channel4.com
 
2009-09-03 10:54:27 PM  
Mordant csxtrainwreck: gregscott: This Christian fundamentalist approves of the 2nd option. Make sure you include atheism, too, although not technically a religion.

What's to teach about atheism? Just teach all the religions to the students and they'll know all about atheism soon enough.

bingo


Indeed, close the thread, redlight her, whatever. It's done.
 
2009-09-03 11:01:27 PM  
gregscott: "This Christian fundamentalist approves of the 2nd option. Make sure you include atheism, too, although not technically a religion."

Atheist here. Atheism has no place in a religions of the world class, except perhaps a brief rundown on what percentages of each nation they comprise. There's a rich history of philosophical discussion on the topic, but save that for philosophy class.

If you were to teach a segment on "what atheists believe", it'd just be a condensed science class.
 
2009-09-03 11:05:27 PM  
Occam's Chainsaw: pxlboy: farking christians.

Paulites. They stopped listening to Christ a long time ago.


Agreed. Christ was kinda cool. Paul was a dick.
 
2009-09-03 11:09:47 PM  
Occam's Chainsaw: pxlboy: farking christians.

Paulites. They stopped listening to Christ a long time ago.


Amen.

The teachings of Jesus never stood a chance against the Fanboy Who Wouldn't Shut Up.
 
2009-09-03 11:20:43 PM  
SphericalTime: Occam's Chainsaw: pxlboy: farking christians.

Paulites. They stopped listening to Christ a long time ago.

Agreed. Christ was kinda cool. Paul was a dick.


susansto-helit: Amen.

The teachings of Jesus never stood a chance against the Fanboy Who Wouldn't Shut Up.


Jesus said, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law---a man's enemies will be the members of his own household'" (Matthew 10:34-36). "From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it" (Matthew 11:12).

All of this hippie-izing of Jesus by liberals is pretty silly and counterproductive.
 
2009-09-03 11:26:11 PM  
Jon Snow: All of this hippie-izing of Jesus by liberals is pretty silly and counterproductive.

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
-Luke 6:27-31. NIV


That's pretty granola.
 
2009-09-03 11:26:11 PM  
RoxtarRyan: Man, I can't wait to have kids. Farking with their heads sounds like fun.

There's other reasons for wanting a kid? It's pretty much the only thing that keeps us parents going.

csxtrainwreck: What's to teach about atheism? Just teach all the religions to the students and they'll know all about atheism soon enough.

This.
 
2009-09-03 11:31:10 PM  
Jon Snow: counterproductive.

how exactly would it be counterproductive?
 
2009-09-03 11:50:55 PM  
Occam's Chainsaw: That's pretty granola.

Excised of the rest of it, sure. The idea that Jesus was a psuedo-marxist hippie and Paul is to blame for Christianity's dickish beginnings is revisionist crap, though. That's my only point.

WhyteRaven74: how exactly would it be counterproductive?

It only scores points with those already sympathetic to the point attempting to be made. In the History of Ever has a single evangelical been turned onto reality by quote mining the Gospels in order to Jesus sound more peacenik?

No one's buying it. Nor should they.
 
2009-09-03 11:58:36 PM  
susansto-helit: Occam's Chainsaw: pxlboy: farking christians.

Paulites. They stopped listening to Christ a long time ago.

Amen.

The teachings of Jesus never stood a chance against the Fanboy Who Wouldn't Shut Up.


Linux_Yes hasn't been here yet. Did I miss something?
 
2009-09-03 11:59:45 PM  
Montreal's Loyola High School, a private Jesuit school, has challenged the course, arguing that it obliges the school to put all religions on equal footing

Oh no, your fairy tales are not sacrosanct, they are delivered with equal footing as other bedtimes stories.


During the trial, the children's mother testified that she did not see why her 7-year-old son needs to learn about Islam when he is still forming his own Catholic spirituality. "It's very confusing," she said.

Good, critical thinking can't start soon enough. What, you don't like that society is interfering with your indoctrination and dogma... good. Social evolution biatch. We are pack animals. If you are bad for the pack, then fark you.
 
2009-09-03 11:59:46 PM  
Jon Snow: The idea that Jesus was a psuedo-marxist hippie and Paul is to blame for Christianity's dickish beginnings is revisionist crap, though.

Pseudo-Marxist hippie, sure, that's somewhat off base. But to claim that he didn't have very, very strong pacifistic leanings is equally revisionist:

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
-Matthew 26:52, King James Version

The sword in the verses you were quoting was metaphorical. He knew full well that his teachings would divide families, communities, nations. He knew he'd generate strife in his wake.

As to the dickishness of Christianity: where, inevitably, do Christians point when they desire to backstop their bad behavior? To Leviticus, and to the Pauline epistles. Blame Paul or blame the followers, but they're damn sure not pointing at the words of Jesus for bigotry, hatred, and 101 other flavors of ignominy.
 
2009-09-04 12:13:55 AM  
Marcus Aurelius: I only shop at the church of Clearly Verifiable Facts.

You know what you need friend ..... A monorail
 
2009-09-04 12:14:02 AM  
Close all the public schools and get government out of it, and these problems go away. Private schooling for the win.
 
2009-09-04 12:15:03 AM  
Occam's Chainsaw: Jon Snow: All of this hippie-izing of Jesus by liberals is pretty silly and counterproductive.

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
-Luke 6:27-31. NIV

That's pretty granola.


It's almost like that Jesus guy was more than one person. :P
 
2009-09-04 12:15:09 AM  
This is why I hate discussing religion and/or politics.

Logic applies to neither one, so I cannot discuss either one logically.
 
2009-09-04 12:15:36 AM  
Jon Snow: Jesus said, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law---a man's enemies will be the members of his own household'" (Matthew 10:34-36). "From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it" (Matthew 11:12).

That would certainly seem to contradict the "family values" interpretation that many Christians seem to have, wouldn't it?
 
2009-09-04 12:15:42 AM  
Religion should be taught in religious institutions, and not at the public non believer's expense - blah blah.
 
2009-09-04 12:16:22 AM  
The parents are worried that it will undermine their childrens faith! Ahh, priceless. Well, it damn well should undermine their faith. It's called education. Suck it up, babies.
 
2009-09-04 12:16:41 AM  
Either you keep all religion out of school, or you teach about all. You can't show a preference to one.
 
2009-09-04 12:16:51 AM  
I think a comparative religions course would be great for any developing teen. I'm ambivalent about making it a required course, but if it opens their eyes to the world around them I think it could be well worthwhile.
 
2009-09-04 12:17:30 AM  
We're having the same problem in a club I'm in. Most annoying argument ever.
 
2009-09-04 12:18:58 AM  
Oh, and i71.photobucket.com for this:

"What parents were demanding was the right to ignorance, the right to protect their children from being exposed to the existence of other religions," he said. "This right to ignorance is certainly not protected under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Freedom of religion does not protect the right not to know what is going on in our universe."
 
2009-09-04 12:19:43 AM  
Came for Monty Python reference. Leaving disappointed.
 
2009-09-04 12:19:54 AM  
Born and raised, still "practicing" Catholic.

Went to a catholic high school where it was mandatory for us to take classes on....

DRUM ROLL PLEASE

*drumroll*

WORLD RELIGIONS.

This "help we're being oppressed" thing completely manufactured by "non-believers" or whatever you call yourself to mask your insecurities by projecting it on other people.
 
2009-09-04 12:21:30 AM  
Should have Canada in the headline so I can avoid wasting my time clicking the link. It's barely even a real country.
 
2009-09-04 12:22:18 AM  
Jon Snow: Excised of the rest of it, sure. The idea that Jesus was a psuedo-marxist hippie and Paul is to blame for Christianity's dickish beginnings is revisionist crap, though. That's my only point.

But Paul was already a revisionist.
 
2009-09-04 12:22:52 AM  
pxlboy: farking christians.

i41.photobucket.com

WTF
 
2009-09-04 12:22:53 AM  
redmond24: This "help we're being oppressed" thing completely manufactured by "non-believers" or whatever you call yourself to mask your insecurities by projecting it on other people.

Dude, RTFA. The parents were trying to prevent their children from being exposed to religions other than christianity. How in hell did the non-believers manufacture that?
 
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