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2003-03-06 05:54:18 PM

At least one report shows that hybrid cars have lower emissions than hyrdogen cells.

Hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles have low emissions and energy use on the road, but converting a hydrocarbon fuel such as natural gas or gasoline into hydrogen to fuel such vehicles uses substantial energy and emits greenhouse gases, the study said.


That's because virtually all commercial hydrogen is produced using natural gas. (Oh, BTW, we're also facing a natural gas shortage since all the new electrical power plants use NG and the infrastructure and exploration aren't keeping pace).

It's all a pipe dream, of course, unless the industry can convince people not to be afraid of this:



Have a nice day.

(and yes, I know better about the hindenburg. But who's gonna be the first one to allow a hydrogen station in their neighborhood? People go to court to prevent strip clubs or landfills in their CITY, much less right around the corner)
 
2003-03-06 06:18:57 PM
Numberz
OH THE HUMANITY!
 
2003-03-06 06:23:02 PM
Motorcycles I tell ya...the answer is motorcycles!
 
2003-03-06 06:24:14 PM
Mobile H-bombs. Kick ass.
 
2003-03-06 06:24:29 PM
Oh sure, hydrogen burns clean, but you are STILL CONTRIBUTING TO THE HEAT DEATH OF THE UNIVERSE!!

Thermodynamics always wins, baby.
 
2003-03-06 06:24:57 PM
I WANT A CAR THAT CAN FLY. UNTIL THEY ARIVE DON'T BOTHER ME, I DON'T CARE.
 
2003-03-06 06:25:25 PM
THATS GOTTA HURT....

/Costanza
 
2003-03-06 06:25:33 PM
ill buy it for a $1!
 
2003-03-06 06:26:11 PM
We need more nucleon plants.

I seem to remember Chrysler promised us nuclear cars. WELL????
 
2003-03-06 06:26:47 PM
Entropy requires no maintenance.
 
2003-03-06 06:27:38 PM
WHY WONT THEY LET US FLY??? WHY!?!?!?!?
 
2003-03-06 06:27:55 PM
Anyone else notice the overabundance of car related headlines today?
 
2003-03-06 06:28:03 PM
nucleon? wtf is that?
 
2003-03-06 06:30:16 PM
Now, I'm clueless about how pure hydrogen (for fuel cells) is produced, but isn't it something like "apply energy to water, bake at 450 for 2 hours, serve fresh"?

Seriously though, if you just need to apply energy to water, why don't we take a large chunk of desert, set up the biggest array of solar cells ever, and use that energy to convert water to hydrogen?
 
2003-03-06 06:30:34 PM
I'm holding out for the Conveyor Belt sidewalks.
 
2003-03-06 06:31:00 PM
Numberz:

You forget that gas contains far more energy per mole than H2, has volatile vapors, and burns far hotter. Gas stations are far more dangerous than H2 stations.

The pussy oil companies are just too damn afraid of the next big thing removing our need for them.

One other thing, H2 can be made from water through electrolysis. Were do we get the electricity, uh, maybe solar.

The biggest steppingstone to getting off of the oil fix, is not the dangers of H2, or any other fuel, it is the cost of setting up the infrastructure. We are just too damn cheap and short sighted even though it would be cheaper in the long run.
 
2003-03-06 06:32:04 PM
I WANT TO FLY NOW. IS IT POSSIBLE YET?
 
2003-03-06 06:32:39 PM
Goldie Wilson III's Hover Conversions
 
2003-03-06 06:32:54 PM
When did boiling water start producing greenhouse gases?
 
2003-03-06 06:33:25 PM
I'm betting more like 20 years and $40,000.

Just like everything else, for its first decade of use, it will only be a high-priced toy for the rich and ostentatious.
 
2003-03-06 06:33:38 PM
Ricardomontalban
I'm with you on the motorcycle thing. Motorcycles are the best form of transportation. KLR 650. Oh yea.
 
2003-03-06 06:33:57 PM
what keeps these things from blowing up when they in a bad accident?

we shall see...
 
2003-03-06 06:34:32 PM
ahem.. "are"
 
2003-03-06 06:36:18 PM
yes RaoulDuke but does the entropy kid require maintenance?
*runs
 
2003-03-06 06:38:36 PM
:(
 
2003-03-06 06:39:46 PM
If I'm getting a motorcycle, I'll have an SV650S

Cretzal Nucleon is a Simpson's reference.
 
2003-03-06 06:40:32 PM
I remeber in the 70's seeing Nova on PBS doing a show on the hydrogen car. A normal car can be converted to run on hydrogen with minor modifications. The exaust system must be stainless steal or something that won't rust, the carbaration must be adjusted, and the fuel tank must be able to handle a vaporous gas system. Didn't seem too expensive except to the oil companies.
 
2003-03-06 06:42:12 PM
what happened to the vision of the future where we're all riding segways in a neat single file line?
 
2003-03-06 06:42:26 PM
Majortom,
Are you sure you're not thinking of natural gas conversions?
 
2003-03-06 06:45:36 PM
Nope was hydrogen. The company was in Colorado and they named the street in front Hindenberg lane as a joke.
 
2003-03-06 06:45:43 PM
This is crime against God...

PRAISE OILLAH!!!
 
2003-03-06 06:46:03 PM
canadianbeersux watched TBS yesterday!
 
2003-03-06 06:46:06 PM



the future of cars isn't hydrogen, it's this!
 
2003-03-06 06:49:43 PM
We need cars that are steam powered. Nothing beats good clean steam. Unless someone finds a way to harness the powers of the Ether.
 
2003-03-06 06:51:10 PM
ether! of course.
 
2003-03-06 06:56:08 PM
Just want to say thanks to my dad.

He bought me shares of a hydrogen fuel cell co. for Xmas.

Love
Me
 
2003-03-06 06:56:36 PM
This car was powered by Ether
 
2003-03-06 06:57:01 PM
The force that the planets hang in like suspended jewels can surely be used to power automobiles. As a side note, anyone seen my raygun?
 
2003-03-06 07:03:49 PM
We need to focus on better gas mileage in our cars at the moment instead of this pie in the sky hydrogen stuff. As Numberz and probably countless others have mentioned, it takes natural gas, a fossil fuel, to make usable hydrogen. At our current level of technology, it would be more environmentally friendly just to have natural gas cars. Fart joke.
 
2003-03-06 07:06:45 PM
I think fusion plants are good for getting usable (unbonded) hydrogen too, but we're even more afraid of Chernobyl than the Hindenburg, so that ain't gonna happen for a while.
 
2003-03-06 07:09:23 PM
Here's an excellent article if you'd like to actualy be informed on this subject (sorry about my ignorance of html):

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030224&s=easterbrook022403

BTW, The New Republic is one of the two best American magazines, along with Atlantic Monthly.
 
2003-03-06 07:17:04 PM
When you get hydrogen from natural gas you make greenhouse gasses. Making it from the electrolyisis of water produces only oxygen and hydrogen. Of course this takes an assload of electricity which is mostly obtained from natural gas. What the government needs to do is to start building alternative energy plants now to provide the power that producing hydrogen for every car in America will need.
 
2003-03-06 07:18:22 PM
Getting stuck in traffic wouldn't be so bad if you got to watch the occasional car explode into a giant fireball.
 
2003-03-06 07:19:35 PM
You can produce hydrogen from natural gas in a controlled environment and capture the pollutants until small scale electrolysis is perfected, making water the primary fuel source. The majority of today's petrolium pollution doesn't come from the refineries, but from the cars on the road.
 
2003-03-06 07:23:46 PM
Let us have flying cars!
 
2003-03-06 07:25:54 PM
nuclear wessals
 
2003-03-06 07:26:12 PM
Hydrogen powered cars? Can you have sex in the back of them?
 
2003-03-06 07:28:50 PM
MrTuffPaws:
The pussy oil companies are just too damn afraid of the next big thing removing our need for them.

PUSSY OIL? Where the hell do I get a car that runs on that?
Better yet, can I get a job at the refinery?
 
2003-03-06 07:30:20 PM
For those of you advocating the use of motorcycles as an alternative vehicle yes they do get good gas milege for the most part, but they do not have the same requirements for emisions put on them as cars, and trucks do. Motorcyles do not currently have catalytic converters on them, but don't worry I'm sure the next thing to be heavily demonized by the enviros will be our bikes just as soon as they manage to outlaw our SUV's. In fact I believe I recently heard debate on the subject of equiping bikes with Catalytic converters already. You think that the pipes on your bike burn hot now, just you wait.
 
2003-03-06 07:32:06 PM
I want a car that runs on sperm. I could EASILY fill a 13 gallon talk everyday...

And I want it to fly.
 
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