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(Southern Poverty Law Center)   Turns out "Aloha" is the native Hawaiian word for "Kill Whitey"   (splcenter.org) divider line 576
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2009-08-31 09:56:24 PM  
From my experience of being white and having lived in Hawaii for years, you usually only get attacked and called "haole" in situations where you'd still have gotten the shiat kicked out of you even if you were a native.
 
2009-08-31 10:01:39 PM  
itazurakko: Your Faith is Creepy: Thanks for doing the digging. Good article.

Definitely. Google around the names in that article (Conklin, Trask) and you can read forever. Having done so a while back, I suppose my feelings on a lot of it are mixed, but these type of incidents in TFA are definitely not cool.

It seems stuff has been ramping up in the past decade or two as the sovereignty movements (yes, more than one!) have gained momentum. However, I do find it interesting that (1) the 11 year old white twin girls mentioned in this article were born and raised in Hawaii, NOT recent arrivals (if their mom has lived there for 25 years) and (2) it seems most of the ire is reserved for specifically haoles (who are white, yes), not other equally non-native people of various Asian descent (who are in fact more numerous).

/think they can leave Kam schools alone though


Well, that's easy enough to explain. The people who really mistreated the Hawaiians historically were white. White missionaries intentionally spreading diseases amongst them, white-owned corporations pretty much stealing their land and making them have to work borderline slave labor to survive, and white Americans overthrowing their government. Asians and such were mostly just along for the ride, and often in similar farked up situations there as the natives.

Doesn't justify modern racism against people who are just trying to get by in peace, but it does explain it.
 
2009-08-31 10:14:25 PM  
Naman: Doesn't justify modern racism against people who are just trying to get by in peace, but it does explain it.

I suppose, but in the modern day, with kids born and raised there, it's still pretty farked up if you ask me. Annoyance with modern newcomers I can kinda understand more. I suppose that's the common weird factor to all racism though. It happens. People see a face, assume a background.

Certainly the colonial history (as well as earlier discrimination) is one reason I think that Kam schools should be left as it is.
 
2009-08-31 11:05:45 PM  
Wow that is pretty farked up.
 
2009-09-01 12:02:17 AM  
Huh. This is the first story I've seen where SPLC actually sided with white folks.
 
2009-09-01 12:21:24 AM  
Looks like our friends in Hawaii need a reminder that they are part of the 50 states. They need to be relocated to a place they would rather not be, such as Afghanistan, so they can readjust their attitude and appreciate what they have as a US State. Lots of injustices occurred during history from the transition from England to the US to the native americans. This is current. Just like Palestinians and the Israelis need to figure things out without invokeing thousands of years of "senses of entitlement".
 
2009-09-01 12:21:47 AM  
I thought aloha meant "Got any Spam?"
 
2009-09-01 12:21:48 AM  
I wonder if Obamma will say they were acting stupidly by calling whitey names....nahhhh....probably not

/I'm off to the beer garden
 
2009-09-01 12:22:43 AM  
Chalk one possible vacation spot off my list.
 
2009-09-01 12:24:10 AM  
Hawaiians are brown people. I think that makes it legal to shoot them.
 
2009-09-01 12:24:11 AM  
snl.contentquake.com
 
2009-09-01 12:25:12 AM  
I am sitting in my tub in Hawai'i, but I don't really get a kick out of this.

White boys don't feel the aloha spirit here.
 
2009-09-01 12:25:33 AM  
No matter where you go, everybody hates everybody.
 
2009-09-01 12:25:39 AM  
Benevolent Misanthrope: Huh. This is the first story I've seen where SPLC actually sided with white folks.

Its a fund raising gimmick by SPLC. Jews have been hit hard by Madoff so they need to start raising some millions from whitey. The important thing with SPLC is to keep those checks coming in.
 
2009-09-01 12:26:33 AM  
Kill Haole Day was a real thing back in my parents' time. If that's still going on, it's news to me. Anyone who claims racism doesn't exist in Hawaii is fooling themselves. That said, it's a little different here in that there aren't any groups in the majority, just bigger and smaller minority groups. There's still prejudice, but, having lived on the Mainland as well, I'll take Hawaii prejudice over Mainland prejudice.
 
2009-09-01 12:27:30 AM  
I lived in Hilo for three years and did not experience this issue.

Yes, people who disrespect Hawaiian culture will be faced with hostility, but to get beaten up by a Big Islander requires you to be a special kind of asshole.

/haole.
 
2009-09-01 12:28:58 AM  
Someone say "Kill Whitey?"
jessicalouise.com
 
2009-09-01 12:28:58 AM  
Having read the article and between that, Dog the Bounty Hunter, and the coqui frogs, I can say I've decided to never visit Hawaii.
 
2009-09-01 12:29:02 AM  
cwolf20: Chalk one possible vacation spot off my list.

Kinda what I was thinkin'.
 
2009-09-01 12:29:37 AM  
It's not OUR fault there are still natives alive. We TRIED to commit genocide.
 
2009-09-01 12:30:00 AM  
I blame Obama.
 
2009-09-01 12:30:04 AM  
It's odd how shocked and provoked some of of the commenters seem to be in their responses. If they're white, as many indicated, I guess they have never had a problem walking in a "black" neighborhood, particularly on a street where young folks hang out. Why would anyone really think racism was a one way street? Some minorities deny it, but their reasoning is twisted.

// Since I started to carry concealed, I've rethought my choices about walking in "bad" heighborhoods, and now avoid it whenever possible, which is almost always.

// Any thread can be a gun thread!
 
2009-09-01 12:30:38 AM  
Huh. My parents knew a mixed-race couple who met in Hawaii (Hawaiian/Asian woman, white man) and while they lived there, the husband got a lot of racist crap. But that was probably back in the 60's. They came over stateside and it was the occasional KKK-wannabe harassment instead. Fast forward to now, I'd think a lot of this shiat would've died down.

I recently met a guy from Hawaii who sung its praises up and down and said it was a wonderful place full of Aloha. The guy was white but tanned really dark. Maybe it's a question of skin tone?
 
2009-09-01 12:32:02 AM  
SoxSweepAgain: I lived in Hilo for three years and did not experience this issue.

Yes, people who disrespect Hawaiian culture will be faced with hostility, but to get beaten up by a Big Islander requires you to be a special kind of asshole.

/haole.


Yesterday, while walking home in Kapa'a (Kauai) I had a Hawaiian (well, hard to say these days who is and who isn't) throw a gas can at me and my wife.

Why, you ask?

Well, simply: I looked at him. Not funny, not rude - just looked. He was pouring water out of the can onto his feet, and I thought it was amusing he was using a gas can, so I looked. His friend, who has half-heartedly trying to calm him down, yelled out "just stop lookin' brah".

In Hawai'i, apparently, I am not allowed to look at people on my walk home from the grocery store.
 
2009-09-01 12:32:07 AM  
Dang. At least the Native Americans had the balls to fight for their land. Those Hawaiians just rolled over and let us take it. What a bunch of losers.



See if this gets any bites.
 
2009-09-01 12:32:40 AM  
JRoo: It's not OUR fault there are still natives alive. We TRIED to commit genocide.

Not in Hawai'i, we didn't.
 
2009-09-01 12:33:15 AM  
White. Used to live in Hawaii (Hilo, on the big island). This is soooo true. Sucks to be haole in Hawaii.
 
2009-09-01 12:33:35 AM  
"Sure thing, Steve *you farking haole*."
dark-wraith.com
 
2009-09-01 12:33:58 AM  
The best part of this whole deal is that the Haole keep getting butt-raped with the prices they pay there.
 
2009-09-01 12:34:57 AM  
i287.photobucket.com

And not one of these guys got stomped.....dammit.
 
Xoc
2009-09-01 12:35:13 AM  
Back in the early 80's, I went to a bar just off Waikiki with my girlfriend. After ordering drinks, we suddenly noticed that we were the only non-natives in the bar. We got a lot of dirty looks. We sucked down our drinks, left a big tip, and got out of there. Was the only time in my life that I felt uncomfortable in my skin.
 
2009-09-01 12:35:25 AM  
You mean all the girls in Hawaii aren't as nice as...

missgeeky.com
 
2009-09-01 12:36:13 AM  
the_chief: No matter where you go,

...you should've been somewhere else.

ftfy
 
2009-09-01 12:36:34 AM  
I blame this on Don Ho's skanky sister:

"Butt Ho"

Link (new window - NSFW)
 
2009-09-01 12:37:08 AM  
I've heard of the racism in Hawaii for decades but have never had the pleasure of the opportunity to experience it firsthand.
 
2009-09-01 12:37:56 AM  
Government Drone: Dang. At least the Native Americans had the balls to fight for their land. Those Hawaiians just rolled over and let us take it. What a bunch of losers.


haha...fighting everyday, one haole at a time...
 
2009-09-01 12:38:00 AM  
That's fine, let them become their own "nation" and watch how quickly their major industry of tourism crashes.

wth, what century is this?
 
2009-09-01 12:38:54 AM  
gregscott: It's odd how shocked and provoked some of of the commenters seem to be in their responses. If they're white, as many indicated, I guess they have never had a problem walking in a "black" neighborhood, particularly on a street where young folks hang out. Why would anyone really think racism was a one way street? Some minorities deny it, but their reasoning is twisted.

// Since I started to carry concealed, I've rethought my choices about walking in "bad" heighborhoods, and now avoid it whenever possible, which is almost always.

// Any thread can be a gun thread!


I'm a white woman and dress modestly. I used to get harassed all the time by black guys, when I was walking around by myself in Chicago (Hyde Park, then Roger's Park). It was starting to make me racist. Then I saw a black guy do the same to a black woman, and around that time moved to a different neighborhood (Andersonville/Uptown) where I got more equal harassment from white and black crazy bums, meanwhile observing that my black middle class coworkers acted completely differently.

Long story short, I figured out that it's a socioeconomic thing and some poor black guys will insult anyone they think will not put up a fight, which is actually similar to a lot of poor white guys. Bullying to boost fragile self esteem.

BTW I used to see a redheaded white kid hanging out with black gang types, harassing Hispanic kids in Roger's Park. That was kinda odd.

\worst el molestation experience was from a white guy
\\don't ever let a huge retarded-looking white guy in a trench coat box you in on the el
 
2009-09-01 12:39:06 AM  
give me doughnuts: Dang. At least the Native Americans had the balls to fight for their land. Those Hawaiians just rolled over and let us take it. What a bunch of losers.

If I recall from my modern Hawaiian history class in high school (yes, a real course) there were a few uprisings against the Republic of Hawaii, the provisional state in between the Kingdom and U.S. Territory status. The guy who led the rebellions then became a territorial delegate to the US congress. Yes, I bit, but only a little.
 
2009-09-01 12:40:06 AM  
DetroitDave: the_chief: No matter where you go,

...you should've been somewhere else.

ftfy


Heh.
 
2009-09-01 12:40:39 AM  
Kamehameha Schools

motivateurself.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-09-01 12:40:46 AM  
kiapolo: Government Drone: Dang. At least the Native Americans had the balls to fight for their land. Those Hawaiians just rolled over and let us take it. What a bunch of losers.


haha...fighting everyday, one haole at a time...


I think you mixed up your quotes there, scooter.
 
2009-09-01 12:40:50 AM  
I was in Hawaii while I was in the Navy. I was never on the receiving end of any sort of racism, but I always heard about it. With so many tropical destinations available, I have no idea why anyone would want to visit that place, honesty. Worse than racism, it's freakin EXPENSIVE there!

I traveled to Belfast, Northern Ireland and was told that no one would bother me if I didn't act like an arse. I stayed on high alert with the obvious problems they have there. I suppose that is true with any culture. If you get your ass whipped, chances are you probably deserved it...no matter what color your skin is.
 
2009-09-01 12:41:05 AM  
Government Drone: White. Used to live in Hawaii (Hilo, on the big island). This is soooo true. Sucks to be haole in Hawaii.

Lived there for 4 years. Worked at Island Air and Hawaiian Airline. Never had a problem , worked in the same building as the tough guy baggage handlers, played softball with them, went out after work with them, never had a problem.

Heck, I even played BBALL at Mililani Park at Night with some sketchy locals and never got any grief.

Had an old man tell me to "watch it Haole" when he almost hit me in the crosswalk, but thats about it.

/Haole
//You like Beef brah?
 
2009-09-01 12:41:24 AM  
You know, normally I hate when people judge entire states, but if your children are getting their jaws fractured and spouses are getting their ears cut off, MAYBE YOU SHOULD MOVE? It's the same as when white families move into the "black" neighborhood and then complain that there's too many black people around.

It really shouldn't matter, though. If you're a racist anyone, you should DIAV. Also, if you're such a useless biatch that you have to have 3 men follow you around to beat up white people, you should probably get a job or something productive to do, because you're more of a drain on Hawaii than the white people.
 
2009-09-01 12:41:25 AM  
FTA: "One of the more protracted legal battles involved a lawsuit filed in 2003 by a non-Native Hawaiian student against the hugely wealthy and influential private Kamehameha Schools. Kamehameha operates three campuses for the benefit of children of Hawaiian ancestry ... "

www.kayanlau.com

/Whoa, don't mess with them Hawaiians, man!
//Kamehamehaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
 
2009-09-01 12:42:15 AM  
You get the same dumb crap at any tourist-heavy town. Hawaii, California coast, Jersey shore... in many cases, the 'townies' are dirt-poor because everything dries up in the off-season, and there's a heavy resentment of their dependency on tourist dollars from people of higher means than them.

Hell, look at Wildwood, NJ. (Using it because I know it best.) Beautiful beach resort over the summer, but an absolute ghetto nine months out of the year. Go into the middle of town where you can't see the ocean, and you might as well be in any run-down city. Even their school district is an Abbott district, meaning they get extra money because they're in such dire straits; their company on that list includes Trenton, New Brunswick, and most of Hudson County. Rough stuff for a 'beach vacation paradise'. Doesn't surprise me that other such places have people acting similarly.
 
2009-09-01 12:42:31 AM  
I lived in Hawaii for 8 years. I can tell you that the statement:

It's their "cultural inability to be humble [that] is a huge contributing factor in a lot of violence against them," one person wrote. "There is a high degree of arrogance and lack of respect that main landers exhibit," added another.

Is very true. Too many people (they don't have to be white) come from the mainland U.S. and have an air of superiority about them. Humble yourself and you too can have life long Hawaiian friends like me.

A hui hou
 
2009-09-01 12:42:35 AM  
Hawaii consumes 2475% more Spam per year than the rest of the world combined. They love the stuff.
 
2009-09-01 12:42:56 AM  
Well, we did steal their country from a sovereign monarch at the tip of a bayonet for the benefit of the Dole fruit company, more or less.
 
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