03-06-03 06:01:11 PM Bashturn
Considering the numbers of countries who enforce strict gun control and for whom the gun deaths stats are incredibly smaller than the US... yep... Morons indeed

Even if you magically eliminate all guns, and make the assumption that no murder that would have happened with a gun would happen with knife, club, rope, bare hands, etc, we'd STILL have a higher murder rate. We have a violence problem, not a gun problem.

03-06-03 04:27:44 PM Depafeo
Was this the gun in question?


No, that was not the gun in question. Am I the only person who's noticed that this gun is a mirror image of a real gun - that is, the cylinder release and ejector rod are supposed to be on the right side of the gun, not the left. Or maybe this was a special gun made for lefties...

/gun geek

Bashturn:

As opposed to the people who get drunk, fly down the highway, get into a wreck, kill there kid's and still insist how evil guns are?

Porn, people, we need more porn.

Did you read any link in any depth? And don't say you've not the time, you're a Farker fer cryin' out loud!

My assertion that there is environmental contamination and health risks associated with guns is:

a) incorrect to the point of lunacy

b) entirely correct

c) a liberal ploy to disarm American citizens

Seriously, it's an under-reported risk. You don't have to thank me, just take precautions.

Kudos for bringing Slick Willie into the mix though.

In Canada we love it when an American tries to bring his/her gun with them across the border. It is strictly not allowed, your gun is seized, you get a fine, jail etc.

What about you all that live in rural areas and have issues with stuff like bears and moose and such. People I know that live in Montana, (out in the hinterlands) complain about grizzlies and stuff becming problematic. I imagine it's worse up in certain parts of Canada.

Plus - what happens when someone from the states wants to go hunting in Canada? Can you get a permit? You all have a lot of game.

Jeezus, "...left side of the gun and not the right." I gots lysdexia.

Oh my God it's going to turn into a USA/Canada thing now.

Burn98-

Cover up all you want, but we both know you're the one who's been watching me from the blackberry bush in my backyard.

Somehow its gets turned around so that pro gun folks are laying into me callin me a dick when I own guns and am damn good with them. I just recognize the true nature of them and the people who couldnt compete without them. Those folks should channel their energies into something more constructive like padding out their hot wheels collections or something.

Are there any other gun owners here who regret the need to own one?

If it werent for mouth breathing simps like like skitronix laying into me and calling me names, I was about to REALLLY go off on the set that wants to round all the guns up like Stalin and Hitler did and rant on them for awhile since they only want the cowards in uniforms and/or with big corporate backing to have guns. But it goes to show you cant help an idiot. I happen to KNOW that both sides are wrong on this issue. Left wants to keep all the guns in the hands of a few cowards(Very people that make the 2nd amend needed), right has this mad max fantasy of one day getting to go down the street "a-shootin every colored and faggot and godless hippie" they see. Both are cowards who wouldnt be able to push either agenda if the guy who first thought up the idea of a ballistic projectile wasnt once again...a coward, and had the restraint to keep the knowlegde to himself. Or at least not use it in an act of agression.

Sn0wsuit4
And instead of using your gun as an extension of your penis, or as a substitute, try not using it at all. Cheers.

Good to see the anti-gunners still have a penis fetish.

Canada can run it's country any way it wants. I dig the whole cheap perscription drug thing, plus they bring in a lot of tourism and skilled labor. Cananda be OK. Living out in the woods without a rifle, especially when the animals are large and agressive, doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

MorePeasPlease:
Cover up all you want, but we both know you're the one who's been watching me from the blackberry bush in my backyard.

No! I swear! It wasn't me! It was the one armed man!

Good to see the anti-gunners still have a penis fetish.

Amen brother.

Keylock, I don't know about you, but I'm gettin' me a sword.

"Investigators say the man was trying to show his son how to deal with intruders..."

I don't think that qualifies as "gun safety." The shooting occurred during a lesson on "how to deal with intruders."

Naysayers, I was haveing a dinner party that night with 12 people at the house who saw the whole exchange. Now I could be lying about the action I got later in th eveneing as there were no witnesses to that, thats cool Ive got the great memory and i really didnt need to mention that. But for some reason I feel the part that yall doubt is that I bested a gun pussy with my sword. That part is verifiable even if it does undo the sense of entitled superiority that your guns give you. Bring your little chickenshiat toys down here, I am sure I can repeat the feat.

That is definitely sad, the man was concerned for his kid's safety and made a dire mistake. I don't know how you people can laugh at this.

SherKhan:

I vote for D: Stupid and mininalistic (is that even a word?) compared to real pollution problems.

That's like saying burning a cross on someone's lawn is environmentally unsafe.

Flg8or: I thing we agree in more ways than we disagree.

Break into my house? Steal stuff? Have at it. I'll get new stuff.

Yes. I don't think I could ever live with myself, ever be able to get to sleep at night, knowing I took a life for "stuff".

I own no firearms (although I grew up with them and have used them for fun - "plinking" - many times). This would change if I had a family. I think - I can't say for sure because the moment of truth is so more intense than the theoretical - that I might take a life for the safety of a loved one. And for that reason, I would keep a firearm. And be damned sure said loved ones were well versed in the safe use of it.

Thank you for the rational thoughts. They're not exactly commonplace around here ;)

03-06-03 03:51:38 PM Spiritauthor

Wins Nanook's No Prize for first correct answer!

"That's like saying burning a cross on someone's lawn is environmentally unsafe."

No, it's like saying lead contamination and poisoning at shooting ranges is a real problem.

See that's one of the problems with FARK threads: Some people seem unable to see things as they are and resort to hyperbolic comparisons. Yes, autos pollute. Guns do too. Guns are not *green*. That's all I asserted. You called me on it and you've discovered I am correct.

Now let me buy you a beer because we agree on porn.

My assertion that there is environmental contamination and health risks associated with guns is:

a) incorrect to the point of lunacy

b) entirely correct

c) a liberal ploy to disarm American citizens

Seriously, it's an under-reported risk. You don't have to thank me, just take precautions.

Go to Google, do a search on "Automobile air pollution deaths" then get back to me on how environmentally unsafe a farking gun is.

People who go on and on and on about how cars kill more people than guns are creating a false image of what the statistics actually say. Lets set some ground rules first.

Cars-not designed to kill people
Gun-designed to kill people
Fair enough?

Now your statistics... they are based on ACCIDENTAL death. This would be nearly every death by automobiles, pretty much ever. Yeah some people do actively go out and hit people with cars but they are less than 1 every 400,000.

Conversely, it is actually pretty hard to ACCIDENTLY kill someone with a gun. Think about it, it assumes several things. First off, you had to have shot somebody, that's given. Next, you would have to prove you didn't mean to shoot them. Third, you have to have a plausable excuse as to why you were shooting off a gun in the first place, irreguardless as to where the shot landed. If you fail any of these criteria you murdered someone. Bit over generalized but it doesn't count as accidental anymore, and that really my point.

People die all the time and yeah it sucks but don't skew your stats to make your point, you might just make someone else look like an idiot.

*side note* Finding stats for total deaths (incidental as well as accidental) from both guns and cars is somewhat difficult and results in some different numbers so that is why none are posted. However every source I checked had gun deaths at least equal to car deaths and in most cases substantially higher. Oh and war is NOT factored into that, as it would skew the results to the tune of roughly 120 million deaths.

Daraymann:
Go to Google, do a search on "Automobile air pollution deaths" then get back to me on how environmentally unsafe a farking gun is.

WTF? What do auto pollution deaths have to do with whether guns are environmentally safe or not?

1.2 million, s'cuse me

---03-06-03 03:56:34 PM K-jack
buttcheese

if your girlfriend has a prostate there's something she's not telling you.---

LMAO!!! ROFL!!!

NICE KJACK! You beat me to it, and said it better than i was going to.

Doctechnical: "Yes. I don't think I could ever live with myself, ever be able to get to sleep at night, knowing I took a life for "stuff"."

The problem is you don't know if they're just going to take "stuff," or if their intent is more violent.

So rather than take the chance that it might or might not come down to a "me or him" situation, I'd rather just plug the sumbiatch that breaks into my house, regardless of his intentions, and ask questions later.

Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

However, that would not be an option for me anyway while I have kids in my house, because I just wouldn't take the chance on keeping the gun until they're grown and gone (or at least grown). Until that time, I have a 38-ounce Louisville Slugger that will do the trick most of the time.

Have I read somewhere that if you have a gun in your house, you are X times more likely to kill a loved one than an intruder?

Hip_about_time

Since I didnt turn on the outside light it was dark. I layed the tip of the blade on his jugular as I told him a fourth time to leave. He never even got the thing unholstered. He also never saw me lift the sword.

So dude, you blindsided him. The result would've been the same whether you used a sword, a gun or a baseball bat. Who's the coward now?

The race does not always go to the swift, nor the fight to the strong, but that's the way to bet. Guns free us from the tyranny of the strong. Your biker dude could've been 6'5" but if the girl had had a .38 and blindsided him the way you did, he would've gone away just the same.

Conversely, it is actually pretty hard to ACCIDENTLY kill someone with a gun.

People do it all the time. Hunting. Depends on where you hunt thought. I have heard that New Jersey has a seriously high rate of accidental shootings that occured while people were hunting. This happens when you issue 300 permits for bear,elk,deer, etc. for x duration in x space. Turns into a case for the Darwin awards. I don't know whether the authorities intend to cull game or people in some states. Probably both.

SonOfSpam, along those lines, the old saying: "God made some men big, and some men small. But Colonel Colt made 'em all equal."

What do auto pollution deaths have to do with whether guns are environmentally safe or not?

NOTHING!!!!

But there are people out there (true Farkers like myself) who think guns are environmentally unsafe and do not have enough porn in there lives.

Somebody, for the love of your fellow Farker, post a boobie link so we can all laugh at the best "I'd hit it" pictures on the 'net!

Hip about time rolled a critical hit on his favorite 20 die.

..best laugh I have had all day :)

Homicide's already illegal. Been that way for a couple years now. So is negligence.

Maybe both should be made double-dog illegal!

Every time anyone uses the overgeneralized term "gun" whatever he has to say will be inaccurate, no matter what position he maintains. Talk about pistols or talk about rifles. Don't lump them together, because they are two very different things.

In 2000, there were 28,663 firearm-related deaths in the United States, including 16,586 (58%) suicides, 11,071 (39%) homicides (including 270 deaths due to legal intervention), and 1,006 (4%) undetermined/unintentional firearm deaths.

CDC/National Vital Statistics Report, Vol. 50, No. 16, September 16, 2002, p. 69.


In the United States in 2000, 64% of all homicides and 57% of all suicides resulted from the use of a firearm.

CDC/National Vital Statistics Report, Vol. 50, No. 16, September 16, 2002, p. 44.


Firearm injuries are the second leading cause of injury death in the United States, and have killed more than 28,000 Americans every year since 1972. In three states (Alaska, Maryland and Nevada) and the District of Columbia, firearm death rates in 1998 surpassed those for motor vehicles--the number one cause of injury-related death in the United States.

CDC/National Center for Health Statistics, 2002.


In 2000, the demographic groups (by age and gender) with the highest firearm injury death rates in the United States were males aged 85+ (42.5 deaths per 100,000 population), followed by males aged 20-24 (38.0 deaths per 100,000 population). For white males, the highest firearm death rates were suicides among men aged 85 and older (44.3/100,000). For black males, the highest firearm death rates were homicides among men aged 20-24 (103.9/100,000).

CDC/National Vital Statistics Report, Vol. 50, No. 16, September 16, 2002, p. 75-76.

You guys just wait...In 20 years there will be an identical story about this same thing...only from this kid's kid. It's going to turn into a tradition. Darwin wins.

Burn98

The man does his homework.

Now if there was only some way to make killing another person illegal we could get around all of this.

Bartlebee

Something tells me the kid won't touch a gun again.

Number of Pysicians in the US 700,000
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year 120,000
Accidental deaths per physician 0.171

It's not the Physicians fault. Don't blame them. It's all those needles that are doing the killing!!!!

Ban needles!!!!!!

Needles don't kill people, Pysicians do.

Fishrockcarving:

People see doctors more often then they guns?
Doctors perform operations and administer treatments to people who are in danger of dying?

I think if you could get a glock to perform open heart surgery and administer cancer treatments those stats would change!

Sounds like apples and oranges to me, bud. Totally irrelevant basis for comparison.

The gun control debate is so pointless, each side "proves" they're in the right and the other is a gun fellating maniac/tree hugging hippie and it goes nowhere.

The gun control debate is so pointless, each side "proves" they're in the right and the other is a gun fellating maniac/tree hugging hippie and it goes nowhere.

That's what makes it so fun!

The other side is wrong and stupid and they know it!!!!!