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(BBC)   "The Wire" writer: "Only when television managed to liberate itself from the economic construct of advertising was there a real emancipation of story"   (news.bbc.co.uk) divider line 101
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2009-08-30 02:29:15 PM
I don't even think that's in terms of content allowed, though. If those episodes of "The Wire" had to be structured so that the episodes could be split into 10-15 minute chunks to fit in commercials, a lot of them would lose their flow. That's true of pretty much any show on pay TV, too.
 
2009-08-30 02:37:52 PM
well, yeah, he's right.
 
2009-08-30 02:58:14 PM
Eh, not really. It's not like its only HBO making great TV.
 
2009-08-30 05:04:52 PM
When exactly did television accomplish this feat? Or does he mean ads within the show itself?
 
2009-08-30 05:13:23 PM
DamnYankees: Eh, not really. It's not like its only HBO making great TV.

well no, but its a lot easier to make good TV when you concentrate on making good tv, not on making advertisers happy.
 
2009-08-30 06:55:22 PM
Easy for you to say, when you write a five-season gushing love letter to the heroin industry. Talk about product placement!
 
2009-08-30 07:00:47 PM
Is this just a burn on Mad Men?
 
2009-08-30 07:18:50 PM
SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Eh, not really. It's not like its only HBO making great TV.

well no, but its a lot easier to make good TV when you concentrate on making good tv, not on making advertisers happy.


You don't have to worry about making advertisers happy when you are charging viewers a monthly fee to watch your programming. It's not like HBO is PBS.
 
2009-08-30 07:20:30 PM
No income from advertising? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit
 
2009-08-30 07:21:00 PM
brap: Easy for you to say, when you write a five-season gushing love letter to the heroin industry. Talk about product placement!

I never do this, but you owe me a farking keyboard.
 
2009-08-30 07:22:39 PM
SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Eh, not really. It's not like its only HBO making great TV.

well no, but its a lot easier to make good TV when you concentrate on making good tv, not on making advertisers happy.


I'm not really convinced pay-per-channel leads to any greater art than ad channels. Just depends who's paying. In the last few years, HBO has not exactly been producing the best shows, and there are definitely other networks who have made better stuff.
 
2009-08-30 07:26:53 PM
Translation: I just graduated from film journalism school and I want to use as many long, pretentious terms as I can.
 
2009-08-30 07:28:06 PM
Thankfully, they're releasing the updated version of this excellent book. (^)

/started watching Homicide over again
//will then move on to The Corner
///and then The Wire
 
2009-08-30 07:35:29 PM
Gyrfalcon: Translation: I just graduated from film journalism school and I want to use as many long, pretentious terms as I can.

Might as well get something out of that degree

/You know, other than a hit television show
 
2009-08-30 07:38:05 PM
Gyrfalcon: Translation: I just graduated from film journalism school and I want to use as many long, pretentious terms as I can.

yeah, that sentence is a real mind-bender. i had to read it seventeen times before i understood it. who does he think he is, Michel Foucault? LOL!
 
2009-08-30 07:39:58 PM
Gyrfalcon: Translation: I just graduated from film journalism school and I want to use as many long, pretentious terms as I can.

Someone didn't read the article.

/Simon was a crime reporter in Baltimore and wrote two excellent pieces of reporting (Homicide and The Corner)
 
2009-08-30 07:40:57 PM
Wombatzu: Gyrfalcon: Translation: I just graduated from film journalism school and I want to use as many long, pretentious terms as I can.

yeah, that sentence is a real mind-bender. i had to read it seventeen times before i understood it. who does he think he is, Michel Foucault? LOL!


I know, he was like, talking like a fag and his shiat was all retarded.
 
2009-08-30 07:45:16 PM
Fark It: Wombatzu: Gyrfalcon: Translation: I just graduated from film journalism school and I want to use as many long, pretentious terms as I can.

yeah, that sentence is a real mind-bender. i had to read it seventeen times before i understood it. who does he think he is, Michel Foucault? LOL!

I know, he was like, talking like a fag and his shiat was all retarded.


Heh heh, well-timed; Comedy Central's airing it now...
 
2009-08-30 07:55:16 PM
WALTER WHITE DISAGREES WITH YOUR GENERAL THESIS
 
2009-08-30 07:57:45 PM
simpsonfan: The actors, directors, writers, camera people, stagehands and everyone else aren't working for free. Somewhere, someone is going to have to pay for all that entertainment. Get TV for free and have commercials, or pay for TV with NO commercials, your choice.

There are no commercials on your basic cable program?
 
2009-08-30 07:59:08 PM
Fark It: /Simon was a crime reporter in Baltimore and wrote two excellent pieces of reporting (Homicide and The Corner)

The Corner was turned into an HBO mini-series, I believe.
Homicide was turned into the TV show Homicide, which, for the first 5 seasons, was one of the best cop shows in TV history.
 
2009-08-30 08:03:52 PM
brap: Easy for you to say, when you write a five-season gushing love letter to the heroin industry City of Baltimore. Talk about product placement!

/FIFY
 
2009-08-30 08:04:37 PM
So by marketing to the middle-to-upper classes rather than to the lower classes, you can have a real emancipation of story. Got it.
 
2009-08-30 08:05:52 PM
TFA Headline: Wire writer says adverts kill TV

Wire writer needs to realize that non-pay TV shows are nothing more than an advertisement delivery system, yet good TV gets made nonetheless.

I get his point, but methinks he's tilting at windmills.
 
2009-08-30 08:12:11 PM
"Tax Boy 2009-08-30 07:20:30 PM
No income from advertising? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit"


wins topic
 
2009-08-30 08:13:24 PM
Tax Boy: No income from advertising? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUjh9Id6Id8&feature=related
 
2009-08-30 08:38:30 PM
Simon's right. The people who make programming have to get paid for it. The source of the money is "the customer." For over-the-air programming the customer is the advertiser. For pay programming the customer is the subscriber.
 
2009-08-30 08:43:41 PM
jake_lex: I don't even think that's in terms of content allowed, though. If those episodes of "The Wire" had to be structured so that the episodes could be split into 10-15 minute chunks to fit in commercials, a lot of them would lose their flow. That's true of pretty much any show on pay TV, too.

You mean like the first "The Wire": Homicide? Homicide was badass TV and commercials didn't ruin it. It's funny that Simon would complain about this since his problem with Homicide wasn't commercials interrupting story or flow, it was with the network about the content and themes of the show.

And, you know, Simon hasn't written anything for non-premium TV since Homicide(or, better known as over a decade ago).
 
2009-08-30 08:44:44 PM
Tax Boy: No income from advertising? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit


www.posterpage.ch
 
2009-08-30 08:48:31 PM
DamnYankees: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Eh, not really. It's not like its only HBO making great TV.

well no, but its a lot easier to make good TV when you concentrate on making good tv, not on making advertisers happy.

I'm not really convinced pay-per-channel leads to any greater art than ad channels. Just depends who's paying. In the last few years, HBO has not exactly been producing the best shows, and there are definitely other networks who have made better stuff.


HBO dropped the ball canceling several shows early. ShowTime is better now.
 
2009-08-30 08:49:07 PM
Walt_Jizzney: FIFY

If that's your idea of "fixing" - I hope you're a vetrenarian.
 
2009-08-30 08:49:44 PM
I recently found out that there are radio stations outside of Baltimore so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2009-08-30 08:50:36 PM
bhcompy: it was with the network about the content and themes of the show.

Networks complain about the content and themes of shows because they want that show to be attractive to advertisers.
 
2009-08-30 08:51:53 PM
sheeeeeeeit
 
2009-08-30 09:09:53 PM
Nah.

It's because young people are stupid.
 
2009-08-30 09:18:29 PM
Nothing really comes close to the Wire. Breaking Bad and Mad Men are both exceptional (as is Dexter, but of course that's Showtime). But yeah... The Wire still stands head and shoulders over anything else.
 
2009-08-30 09:19:50 PM
Newbaca: Nothing really comes close to the Wire. Breaking Bad and Mad Men are both exceptional (as is Dexter, but of course that's Showtime). But yeah... The Wire still stands head and shoulders over anything else.

On current TV? Yeah its a weak crop. I think Lost is probably still the best show on, though.
 
2009-08-30 09:23:21 PM
YouTube has nice links to Rod Serling being interviewed on this topic.
 
2009-08-30 09:25:29 PM
Any Pie Left: YouTube has nice links to Rod Serling being interviewed on this topic.

The Mike Wallace interview? That was greenlit on Fark a while ago:

Link (new window)
 
2009-08-30 09:25:47 PM
DamnYankees: I think Lost is probably still the best show on, though.

I need to see that. So many people I know love that show but when I hear them talk about it, it just seems like a show built on cliff hangers. I'll still check out the first season on netflix watch it now.
 
2009-08-30 09:26:53 PM
H. W. Plainview: DamnYankees: I think Lost is probably still the best show on, though.

I need to see that. So many people I know love that show but when I hear them talk about it, it just seems like a show built on cliff hangers. I'll still check out the first season on netflix watch it now.


It is most definitely not a show built on cliffhangers. It's a show built on character. It's brilliant.
 
2009-08-30 09:28:03 PM
H. W. Plainview: DamnYankees: I think Lost is probably still the best show on, though.

I need to see that. So many people I know love that show but when I hear them talk about it, it just seems like a show built on cliff hangers. I'll still check out the first season on netflix watch it now.


Oh, and if you are watching on Netflix, I highly doubt you will be turned off by the Pilot, but make sure to watch through the 4th episode, callde "Walkabout". That's really when the show goes from "this is pretty cool" to "holy mother of god". I've given this advice to 6 people, and I've created 6 Lost addicts.
 
2009-08-30 09:33:49 PM
I started watching The Wire this summer. I was kind of "meh" about the first season, but I really liked the second one. I'm still in the middle of the third. It's very, very good (don't get me wrong), but I still haven't been all ZOMG BEST SHOW EVER. I hope something clicks for me and it becomes like that.

I got into an argument with a friend of mine the other day. He's a "Wire" lover, and I said that it isn't the most compelling show I've ever seen; like someone said above, it didn't suck me into watching marathons of it like "Lost" did. For the guy above who wanted to check it out, you can see all of it on ABC.com, except I don't know how to get there except through sidereel.com.

Dexter's first two seasons were rocking, but I thought the last one was a little lame. How many damn serial killers are in Miami? And how many deus ex machinas are they going to throw at us, through which Dexter barely escapes?

/dnrtfa
 
2009-08-30 09:34:18 PM
Newbaca: Nothing really comes close to the Wire. Breaking Bad and Mad Men are both exceptional (as is Dexter, but of course that's Showtime). But yeah... The Wire still stands head and shoulders over anything else.

I have to agree, and I watched the entire thing from illegitimate sources. It was not because I am cheap, but it was really convenient, and I got wrapped up in watching one episode after another. I would like to send HBO a check.
 
2009-08-30 09:37:04 PM
thegod082: I started watching The Wire this summer. I was kind of "meh" about the first season, but I really liked the second one. I'm still in the middle of the third. It's very, very good (don't get me wrong), but I still haven't been all ZOMG BEST SHOW EVER. I hope something clicks for me and it becomes like that.

It's an extremely slow burn. Extremeley slow. The Wire is a show you realize its brilliant after hours and hours, because that's how long it takes to really tell its story. It's far better the second time around than the first. IMO, The Wire is clearly an amazing show, unlike anythign else on TV. It's not my personal favorite, and I think I admire it more than I actually love it, but once you finish watching it you will think back on what a ridiculously good show it was. As it was once put by some guy:

"Most TV crime series aspire to John Grisham's level. 'The Wire' aspires to Dostoevsky's."
 
2009-08-30 09:41:11 PM
thegod082: I started watching The Wire this summer. I was kind of "meh" about the first season, but I really liked the second one. I'm still in the middle of the third. It's very, very good (don't get me wrong), but I still haven't been all ZOMG BEST SHOW EVER. I hope something clicks for me and it becomes like that.

The fourth season is The Wire's best season, by far.
 
2009-08-30 09:41:34 PM
Axana: thegod082: I started watching The Wire this summer. I was kind of "meh" about the first season, but I really liked the second one. I'm still in the middle of the third. It's very, very good (don't get me wrong), but I still haven't been all ZOMG BEST SHOW EVER. I hope something clicks for me and it becomes like that.

The fourth season is The Wire's best season, by far.


That too.
 
2009-08-30 10:05:26 PM
The scope of the stories told has changed too. Now instead of being purely episodic, there are more intricate story arcs that are worth following. This can sometimes be a risk though, because sometimes by the time word-of-mouth gets me interested in a series - and I don't think I'm alone on this - I may think it too late to start watching.
 
2009-08-30 10:16:18 PM
DamnYankees: Axana: thegod082: I started watching The Wire this summer. I was kind of "meh" about the first season, but I really liked the second one. I'm still in the middle of the third. It's very, very good (don't get me wrong), but I still haven't been all ZOMG BEST SHOW EVER. I hope something clicks for me and it becomes like that.

The fourth season is The Wire's best season, by far.

That too.


Michael FTW.
 
2009-08-30 10:22:02 PM
Simon, who claims not to be a TV person despite his success, said that The Wire had not changed anything in his home town of Baltimore.

I beg to differ.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8219693.stm
 
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