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2001-09-14 06:24:39 PM
That didnt do much to make me feel any better about a draft.
 
2001-09-14 06:31:20 PM
Worry???

Hell I WOULD LOVE to be drafted!!
 
2001-09-14 06:31:46 PM
At least they mentioned about the arab-american backlash. Its scary really, people are starting to direct their anger at innocent americans just because they are a different color. If you do this you are no better than the Terrorists.
 
2001-09-14 06:33:21 PM
Dont worry about protecting your freedom...your family didn't.
 
2001-09-14 06:34:58 PM
I would imagine that there are a lot of US citizens who will be disappointed about the LACK of a draft, given the notion that most civilians are ready to whoop some serious ass. (I wouldn't doubt that we'd be able to find citizens who would gladly EAT the attackers alive if that were their only means of getting rid of these motherfarkers). Of course, I talk out of my ass. It's hard not to when we're all so pissed off.
 
2001-09-14 06:36:26 PM
Adamay13: I agree. Here's something I posted yesterday:

"I really feel bad for anyone living in the US who has NO connection at all with the tragedy, yet are being treated poorly due to a visual assessment of their ethnicity. I hope that our government and local police forces are doing all they can to protect these people and prevent such crimes (crimes anywhere from verbal insults to outright attacks). I can't imagine being in these people's positions...I would feel very terrified for myself and my family. I would think that even silent, angry glares would shatter someone's spirit. As a people, we really need to be sympathetic about this. Also, even though our unity now is strong as fark, we need to remind ourselves that there still is a shiatload of scumbags living in this country and we need to make sure that they do not "terrorize" the aforementioned innocents."
 
2001-09-14 06:40:43 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but several times on Tuesday I can distinctly recall thinking: 'I wonder if I'm too old to join the military?'.
 
2001-09-14 07:00:24 PM
Ditto, Snake.
 
2001-09-14 07:02:22 PM
Put me in, coach. I'm ready to play today.
 
2001-09-14 07:05:23 PM
According to CNN, the supreme leader (as CNN put it) of Afghanistan went on public radio to tell the citizens to not be afraid and to be prepared for a Holy War.

Something tells me Afghanistan is not prepared to give Osama up and that he plays a very important role in their military, if you could call it that.
 
2001-09-14 07:12:10 PM
"(CNN) -- A crowd of rescuers chanted "USA, USA" as President Bush thanked everyone working Friday at ground zero of the devastated World Trade Center that was hit by hijacked planes flown by terrorists.
As he stood on a pile of rubble in Manhattan, some people in the crowd shouted they couldn't hear him.

"I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon," Bush answered.

The crowd roared its approval. "

Yup.
 
2001-09-14 07:14:56 PM
This is a very shallow article of underestimation. This country still contains factions from the first attack. THE FIRST ATTACK. FIRST. ATTACK. This isn't over by a long shot. A war is not fought by an enemy attacking only once. Even if a faction has but 100 members, that equates to 100 attack possibilities, of varying strength. This article has the mindset and rationalization of the conflict in the Gulf War. THIS WILL BE A DIFFERENT WAR, THAN HAS EVER BEEN FOUGHT. The attitude of the writer of the article is dangerous, even foolish.
 
2001-09-14 07:29:38 PM
Sign me up.
Ready to kick so farkin' ass.
 
2001-09-14 07:29:54 PM
Not too worried about being drafted, only if they ever decided woman could be drafted too.
 
2001-09-14 07:31:23 PM
Does anyone know if they're pullin inactive reserves?
 
2001-09-14 07:37:11 PM
Q: Will the President speak again?

A: What do you mean by "again"?
 
2001-09-14 07:46:33 PM
Forget the draft man, Send the mafia hitmen or round up all the rednecks. Leroy, cleatus, cleavis, clovis, and ed in their pickup trucks, spitting chew, drinking jack daniels rambling through the desert with their automatic "huntin'" rifles. Oh hell ya! Seriously though,
I think we are in for a long long battle.
 
2001-09-14 08:29:55 PM
This is really pathetic. Any person who's first concern is whether they will be drafted ought to pull their head out of their ass. Try remembering those firemen who ran up the burning trade center before it collapsed on them, and ask yourself if they spent their time peeing their pants about their own lives.
 
2001-09-14 08:33:15 PM
Does anyone know the meaning of the word jingoism? Also you can join any branch of the military, but it seems that some people only want to if they get to kill. In a time of peace people that tell their recruiter they want to join so they can kill might have a hard time being enlisted.
 
2001-09-14 08:35:39 PM
I may be a girl, and... Uh, I may be Canadian, but by God! If there was a declaration of war, I wouldn't even wait for the draft notice. I'd sign up on the spot. It's not like I'm going anywhere in my dead-end job. Why the hell not be the first in line to give our American brothers' (and sisters') enemies a poke in the eye and a "Fark off, eh?"

And them's fightin' words.
 
2001-09-14 08:53:06 PM
I just told my wife tonight that if the call goes out for people to enlist, I will put my name in. At 33, I can't be drafted, and can only sign up for one more year. She cried.

In a way, I'm a chicken-shiat for just not going down to the recruitment office now.
 
2001-09-14 09:09:29 PM
Spikedsynapse,
My 24 year old son, has a friend that was called wednesday,his friend said that he had one more call and he is gone.
 
2001-09-14 09:15:10 PM
No draft huh? I might sign up... but if all they are sending is special ops I would not be involved. I don't want to sign on to fight, and end up guarding a payphone in some backwater military base... lol
 
2001-09-14 09:24:33 PM
Draft me, baby.

BTW, profile image: changed.
 
2001-09-14 09:55:28 PM
"Put me in coach, I'm ready to play to day" etc.
You people should hear yourselves. War is not a game. Everyone thinks this will be a push-button war like Iraq with a 20,000:1 kill/loss ratio. However, because of Afghanistan's geography and all the high-tech hardware we gave them to fight the Russians in the 1980s could very easily make this another Vietnam.
 
2001-09-14 10:16:03 PM
"A full-scale invasion and occupation of a country such as Afghanistan would likely result in the activation or reserves, certainly."

...and my aunt, whom is in the reserves (Navy) was told that she may be called into active duty really soon....
 
2001-09-14 10:16:55 PM
BTW, "I want to kill" is a bad reason to join the military. You'd be better off in a prison, because then you wouldn't be able to disgrace our country with crimes against enemy civilians.
 
2001-09-14 10:27:06 PM
 
2001-09-14 10:32:38 PM
We have learned alot since Vietnam and what we have learned will be applied.

I will enlist when we declare war but I am worried that I will get a desk sort of job because of my shotty eye sight.
 
2001-09-14 11:05:34 PM
damn, permafrost. I'm getting a patriotic feeling in my pants.
 
2001-09-14 11:08:42 PM
Jingoism is not a good word when used in the context of "Id go if they could promise me I got to kill someone." That is how you get someone to fly a plane into a building. Also, it is very easy to act as if faceing an enemy that was that commited wouldnt scare you. The people that flew into a building were not waiting for the coach to tell them to "play."They are already "playing." We are in it now.
 
2001-09-14 11:15:56 PM
Fifth I think that when people say they want to kill... they are refering to those responsible. I don't think that they would want to kill innocents. Tell me that YOU would not like to kill those responsible... and I will call you a traitor to the cause.
 
2001-09-14 11:20:18 PM
"I wanted to see exotic Vietnam, the jewel of Southeast Asia. I wanted to meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture and ... kill them. I wanted to be the first kid on my block to get a confirmed kill."
-Private Joker (Full Metal Jacket)
 
2001-09-14 11:24:39 PM
WarpNow, whether or not some would agree with me... I think that is patriotism in it's most pure form.
 
2001-09-14 11:25:40 PM
I would 'carry a torch' for Permafrost.
 
2001-09-14 11:36:38 PM
I can't imagine this "war" lasting much longer than a year. The terrorists numbers seem way too small.
 
2001-09-14 11:46:01 PM
When my country calls I will go. I will defend her to my dying breath.
 
2001-09-15 12:02:01 AM
I'm a traitor for refusing to kill? Nay, I am a free thinker - the truest of the Patriots. Killing is not my duty, and I shall not kill unless it is to preserve my own life, or those of my fellow allies (or common innocent, as the case may be). You can't tell me every person in the country responsible, had their part in it. It was a government orchestrated effort, not on behalf of the people.
 
2001-09-15 12:03:41 AM
Insert "is" between "country" and "responsible".

Should the Government call before I enlist for active duty next year, I shall go. I will not partake in the slaying of innocents because they happen to be in a village, though.
 
2001-09-15 12:40:04 AM
I'm too young, I belieive, but I still wouldn't want to go-- it's just not my style. It's not my style to want to kill a person I don't know because of something someone of their nationality did... And if everyone thought this way we wouldn't be in this mess.
 
2001-09-15 01:03:47 AM
Been thinking about the draft lately. Had the strangest experience today after my wife picked me up from work. She is in nursing school and her clinical instructor is in the reserves. The instructor told her that she was being recalled to active duty. Then they had this long discussion on the draft. Turns out the instructor tells her that I shouldn't be worried about a draft, but my wife should be aware that if it came down to it, they'd take HER first. Young with a nursing degree. Talk about a weird feeling in my stomache! The thought of her anywhere near the arid festering landscape makes me ill. Sad. My lovely lady said she would do her duty if called, bless her.
 
2001-09-15 01:57:43 AM
"I would 'carry a torch' for Permafrost"

I'm "carrying" something else.......
sexy, sexy....
 
2001-09-15 04:23:13 AM
Before anyone gets too excited about how great it sounds to go "kick some ass" in war, go rent Saving Private Ryan and watch it (again). War is real, people. It's ugly, and in the best case scenario you're going to come out of it pretty farked up in the head.
Fighting for your country is patriotic and honorable (most of the time), but keep the consequences in mind.
 
2001-09-15 04:56:20 AM
I don't think people realize how close we could be to a draft. If indeed the US decides to attack Bin Laden and Afghanistan, how do you think they will do it? Have any of you actually seen Kabul, their capital city? It's nothing but mud huts and caves. You can't just "bomb the shiat out of them", and hope to accomplish your goals. If you decide to attack Afghanistan, and more precise Bin Laden, you will almost surely have to do it on foot.

Bin Laden moves NIGHTLY, he travels from one cave to the next. He's not a stupid man, he knows the heat is on him right now and he is probably out of the country. Our Government taught him how to avoid capture, they taught him everything they know about avoiding attacks, how in the fark will we have an upperhand in this instance? He knows what we're going to do before we do it.

So, again, the only way you can even begin to capture Bin Laden is to do it by foot. Sure, no problem you say, a super power like the United States can invade a little shiatty country like Afghanistan and have it destroyed in the next hour..... Do any of you read history? Look at what happened to the Russians (a Super power) when THEY invaded Afghanistan! Tens of thousands of Russian soldiers died in ten years because they underestimated Afghanistan as well. And to top it off, they weren't there looking for one exclusive man that is incredibly hard to find, they were there to destroy anyone.

Our task is much, much more difficult than anyone can imagine. Speaking as a 20 year old male in the top psychical condition of his life, I seriously dread the upcoming year. When they draft, they take the 20 year olds first, then the 21 year olds and they continue upwards till the 26 year olds, then they go younger. If indeed a bad war comes, I'm going to be on the front line taking a bullet while you morons sit here and go on and on about how much you want to be fighting.

Of course, I'd give my life for my country and wouldn't hesitate to join the war if it comes to that. In fact, I think we need to strike Bin Laden's associates sooner than later. But I'm not anywhere near as ready to die or kill as you people seem to be. War is not glamorous, if you go and die, they don't throw a party in your name back home. Ten years after your death, no one will remember you for your valiant efforts. They might put your name on a statue somewhere, but that's it. All that will be left of you is your name on a list, is that what you really want? There is no honor being added to a list of dead man, you don't get any awards for that.

I suggest you read this story, maybe it will soothe the gung-ho attitude some of you ignorantly display:






It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and sputtering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spreads of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country and invoked the God of Battles, beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpouring of fervid eloquence which moved every listener.
It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety's sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.

Sunday morning came-next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their faces alight with material dreams-visions of a stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender!-then home from the war, bronzed heros, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation -- "God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest, Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!"

Then came the "long" prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was that an ever--merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them to crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory -

An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher's side and stood there, waiting.

With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal,"Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord our God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!"

The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside -- which the startled minister did -- and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said

"I come from the Throne-bearing a message from Almighty God!" The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. "He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd and grant it if such shall be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import-that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of-except he pause and think.

"God's servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two- one uttered, the other not. Both have reached the ear of His Who hearth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this-keep it in mind. If you beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor's crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.

"You have heard your servant's prayer-the uttered part of it. I am commissioned by God to put into words the other part of it-that part which the pastor, and also you in your hearts, fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these words: 'Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!' That is sufficient. The whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory-must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God the Father fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle-be Thou near them! With them, in spirit, we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it-for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

(After a pause)

"Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits."

It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.



The War Prayer - Mark Twain
 
2001-09-15 05:20:51 AM
"there aint no draft no more".......

"there was one?...."
 
2001-09-15 09:36:23 AM
I doubt there will be draft. Hell, I hope there will never be one again. I have enough problems with the people who signed up willingly.

FifthColumnI'm a traitor for refusing to kill? Nay, I am a free thinker - the truest of the Patriots.

Patriotism may be the last refuge of the scoundrel, but political rhetoric is just a cubbyhole for dullards. Patriots are doers as well as thinkers.

Still, you are right about one thing- chanting "kill, kill, kill" as you walk in the recruiting office is a great way to get turned back around and get your ass kicked out the door. Despite what the flower children and Hollywood would have you believe, no one joins the military to exercise their psychotic urges. There is an (admittedly cursory) psych exam, and your fellow soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines will definitely notice if you are off your rocker. And yes, you can be kicked out of the military for being (or becoming) a nutcase.
 
2001-09-15 09:58:06 AM
CixelysD:

What about neutron bombs? I know very little about them, other than they may be perfect in this case because they do not "blow up" any buildings, but kill living things without nuclear fallout, and can travel through rock.

Somebody with more info on these and other tactical nuclear weapons please correct me if I am wrong and/or naive!!

Where's WoodyTX and 3horn when you need them?

Thanx,

Squinth
 
2001-09-15 10:12:37 AM
Neutron bombs (aka Enhanced Radiation warheads), do affect building. Theres info on neutron bombs at The Nuclear Weapons FAQ, neutron bombs are section 1.5.4, but there's no anchor there, so you'll have to scroll down a bit.
 
2001-09-15 10:15:20 AM
GaidinBDJ:

Thank you so much for the info. I appreciate it.

Squinth
 
2001-09-15 10:15:49 AM
Heh, forgot to finish the post after the link. Neutron bombs operate just like regular nuclear weapons, however they are designed so that high-energy neutrons are not absorbed into the weapon, but they are channeled outward. This produces radiation that goes beyond the physical blast, and can penetrate most standard types of body armour. The US toyed with the idea to use them as anti-personnel weapons, but it's still a nuclear device, and would still produce significant destruction at ground zero.
 
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