This thread needs Bansky.

tuna fingers:
Nah, but people are clicking on your profile and laughing at you.

I could give one sh*t what the f*ck you think...
I go to FARK for some light-hearted fun. I'm not here to bash or be bashed, so....f*ck off.

Great Justice: So yes, the "good art" is selling everywhere and breaking sales records, but the pictures still look like something anyone could make.

Which makes me remember something I saw on a sign at a craft show one time. It said "Yeah, you could make it... but will you?"

There's a lot more I'd like to say, but arguing "good art vs. bad art" on FARK is like making a case for civil rights on Stormfront. So I'll limit myself to this, unless I get bored.

1. Banksy? Genius.
2. The asshats who ruined that park should be caned.
3. Even things I consider "vandalism" will get my respect if they make me think or at least smile. (12:57:46 PM, 12:53:12 PM)
4. If you're posting graffiti that looks like the title font from "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air," you aren't an artist. You're a hack. Do something new or fark off.

answer me this, what do these goofballs think a skate park is SUPPOSED to look like?

tukatz: duncanIdaho: Pair-o-Dice: tukatz: "young urban artists"

I hate that term.... it almost justifies crappy graffiti.

Like calling a common thief a "shoplifter". Makes it sound nicer.

Kinda like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'.

/FTFA: Lee Thompson, a 25-year-old who's been skateboarding at the park for a decade = loser *holds L on forehead*


I'm 35 and I still skate. Care to tell us what "winner" hobbies you have?



FIRST you are inferring that all who skateboard also graffiti. This is most likely not true.

SECOND... regardless of what these kids in question are called, they are still vandals with no consideration for others and no sense of responsibility or morality. They were trusted to decorate an area and turned it into a mockery.

THIRD I do not particularly like "skateboarders". To me, these are kids that roam the city carrying skateboards... occasionally setting them down to roll across an intersection purposely in front of traffic to see if people will stop for them. Then they pick it up and continue walking with it. They have no skateboarding talent, do not use the board for transportation, and usually take joy in flipping off motorists, breaking things, and hanging out on private property not belonging to them. If you are trying to change my mind about skateboarders, then I would suggest that you get some very large buses, come to my city, and scoop up the delinquents (yes, even the ones that have hit 25 - 35 years old and still haven't grown up). Then please replace them with actual athletes that take pride in learning their craft and have respect for others.

FOURTH The only REAL skateboarders I've seen are kids in college towns using their boards to get to class faster because they can't afford cars. These are true skateboarders who don't have to scrape their boards down other people's railings and curbs.... scraping them into ugliness and permanently damaging them. These real skateboarders actually stand on them and travel.

FIFTH My hobbies do not include trespassing, destructive behavior, and antisocial grunts and gestures. Sorry, but I do not have appreciation for your "sport".


Renaissance Faire?

I don't particularly like people who are into Ren Faire. To me, these are adults that roam the fair grounds carrying wooden swords ... occasionally drawing them to defend a wenches honor purposefully in front of foot traffic to see if people will stop to watch them ...

You guys are missing the silver lining here.

Another starry-eyed young "public servant" with a sociology degree has had her* illusions shattered.

*80% chance

Okay, the comments board on that story is completely unmoderated and I haven't seen a Farker in there yet. You guys feeling okay today?

Saw that coming like a parade on Broadway on Thanksgiving

Pair-o-Dice: tuna fingers:
Nah, but people are clicking on your profile and laughing at you.

I could give one sh*t what the f*ck you think...
I go to FARK for some light-hearted fun. I'm not here to bash or be bashed, so....f*ck off.



And you sound like you need a hug.

Oh Canada, this is why you fail.

The rest of the world needs to follow Singapore's example about how to punish vandals.

tuna fingers: Pair-o-Dice: SeamusFerrell: SeamusFerrell: Sticky Hands: Pair-o-Dice: Guitars and art

/real art

Like art with naked ladies in it?
You know, that look like naked ladies and not melted eggs or bad data flow diagrams?

I can stand in when pornographers decide to make an "art film." They are the worst form of porno movies.

I can stand in? Did I say that? I meant to say, "I can't stand it." Wow. That's a funny thing I wrote.

Freudian slip? Damn, I must have pushed too many buttons in this thread...

Nah, but people are clicking on your profile and laughing at you.

This is the truth. How do you compare skating to playing guitar? Are you gonna compare your stamp collecting to skydiving because they're both "hobbies".

Don't kid yourself man, when it comes down to it we're both learning to fine tune our dexterity, and learn to nuance our bodies in a way the layman can't. Just because you pluck a wooden toy with strings, and don't ride a plank of wood with 4 wheels doesn't elevate you over anything.

I know I know, I'm too late, threads over.

tombotia: This is how you solve this problem. Close the park for 10 years. Then when all these punks are out working, paying taxes, etc, you fix the park and raise taxes. And you specifically mention WHY taxes are going up.

That'll learn them.

The drugs, you need them adjusted.

The_Primal_Janitor: emmasews: please, somebody submit this story for posting....

I submitted that last night. Did not go green.

someone's submission did, because I saw it yesterday.
search for 'most whipped'

To dexterity!

This is what happens when you base your government policies on trying to prove that you're more tolerant than the next guy.

From the "leading visual artist" who was supposed to organize and supervise the event:
Listen up.

The Shaw Millennium Park free wall has been temporarily shut down to be reassessed and restructured due to the first two days of usage. The program was to be 3 months. The cards handed out are temporarily void. There will be more information handed out after the meetings this week with city officials and bylaw. I will keep you all in the loop.

The landmark building was to be the only building used to paint upon. The paint was never intended to be on the actual skating surfaces or other parts of the park (bowls, tranny's, posts, etc.) Some of you knew this, and some of you didn't. It's taken a long time to get something like this going so please respect it.

As for your voice - email me your thoughts on what has happened and your ideas or concerns, so I have something to show this committee! If you don't write me, I only speak from what I know and what I've heard from a few of you. So please do this so I can speak upon the result of two days. If you've been harassed by police or bylaw, lemme know! If you have ideas as to how it should run, lemme know. If you're pissed off, lemme know. But word it well so that I can bring the emails to this meeting. You have 24 hours (until Tuesday the 25th at noon).

I understand not much was explained about this spot and there was no forum for it where I could meet you all and lay out the plan. I'm doing my best and will continue to.

Stay tuned.

Thank you, and I apologize for this situation occurring! Brutal!

duncanIdaho: I'm 35 and I still skate. Care to tell us what "winner" hobbies you have?

Monocle collecting?

/bored
//did love the "Godzilla-scale vomit of graffiti" bit

5 Pointz, Long Island City, NY



I had to take the 7 train to work this morning and saw the spot. It's an awesome place for some A Class graffiti.

Search 5 Pointz(google or flickr)

tukatz:


Actually, I go for the food, shopping, and shows. But you seem to know a whole lot about dressing up in tights and wielding your sword. Hmmm....

Man, I was just about to give you props for this:

Suggestion: If kids (and adults) in the communities are really skaters and want to change the opinions of the majority, then they should publicly distance themselves from the wanna-bes.... because they make everyone look bad. Clean up the skate parks. Turn in the punks that wreck things. Organize real skating events.


What the hell.

TheSignPost: Demolish the park.

Publish a statement that says:

"In response to a clear lack of understanding on the part of local youth as to what a "gift" is, we have opted to take it back. A park will never again be built in this area with public funds. We will be happy to let you apply for permits to build your own park, with your own funding.

Have a nice day."


If kids f**k something up, you have to take it away from them. They don't learn any other way.

Actually, It teaches them breach of contract and not to trust anybody on their word - especially since the government has done exactly the breach of trust.

Trust me, 'Indian giving' does not solve anything and creates more problems than it solves.

CrispFlows: TheSignPost: Demolish the park.

Publish a statement that says:

"In response to a clear lack of understanding on the part of local youth as to what a "gift" is, we have opted to take it back. A park will never again be built in this area with public funds. We will be happy to let you apply for permits to build your own park, with your own funding.

Have a nice day."


If kids f**k something up, you have to take it away from them. They don't learn any other way.

Actually, It teaches them breach of contract and not to trust anybody on their word - especially since the government has done exactly the breach of trust.

Trust me, 'Indian giving' does not solve anything and creates more problems than it solves.

Then perhaps they should've held up their end of the bargain and not painted obscenities all over everything.

sxacho: I also find it interesting that most of those folks from back in those days who excelled in more traditional sports have largely ended up right where high school left them.

Isn't that just the sweetest thing. I bumped into one nightmare jock working at a 7-11 (ten years after high school) and laughed for a week.

They wanted it to be a decorated skate park, they got it. Will it bother the people who skate there? Doubt it, make 'em feel right at home. And, on the plus side, there will never be a graffiti vandalism problem there?

"Feed the Pigs"?

Some Brazillian Urban (Favela) Art

Lee Thompson, a 25-year-old who's been skateboarding at the park for a decade, said the really obscene slogans only came after the city closed the project down, and the young artists weren't allowed to finish their work.

"It did get out of hand, but they should have expected that -- no one was watching or supervising," said Thompson.

He said the artists who were trying to create urban art were angry, so they lashed out in paint.

"The city says it was legalized for three months and then they shut it down after two days, because they don't like what they see? What did they think would happen?"


The officials acted like idiots and assholes to a bunch of anonymous teenagers to whom they had just supplied spraypaint and a public graffiti park that they aren't supposed to tag. I just want to point out the extent of the mind-boggling stupidity that led to this. It's hard to imagine that they DIDN'T think this would happen.

hej: Pictures like this are always made 1,000x funnier by having somebody standing in the foreground with a disapproving look on their face.

tukatz: On Friday, the city put out a press release touting the project as a creative release for graffiti artists: "Young urban artists will have a chance to show off their work to their peers and influence the recreational space they use."


Well, they did just that.... they showed the city that they are truly the delinquents everyone thinks they are....

Now the city needs to give them cleaning supplies for cleaning up the mess and exploring their future careers as janitors.

No. Do not clean up that mess. The skate park should be bulldozed and replaced with a Senior Center or some other useful function that will be appreciated by a different demographic. Then they should outlaw skateboarding inside city limits. Fark those little bastards. And fark the liberal mindset that created them.

There's a wall like this in Los Angeles. The hispanic community was given free reign to put up anything they wanted on the wall at one overpass in south central. The first day there must have been 100-200 taggers all over the place in the area. spraying the wall, the street, the buildings next to it, etc. Instead of painting over it and forgetting the project they let things play out. Sure, they paid to fix up the adjacent buildings, but they let the taggers do what they do. Eventually, over the course of a few years, it's turned into one of the holy grails of collaborative "chicano" graffitti art in America. Why? Because they took the explosion of all these different taggers and harnessed it over time into something more than it was. They could do that here if they wanted to.

It's a method of expression they haven't been given the freedom to express before (without getting busted). Of course there's going to be an explosion. Just give it time to be refined.

Who's been painting my roses red?

stryker4526: CrispFlows: TheSignPost: Demolish the park.

Publish a statement that says:

"In response to a clear lack of understanding on the part of local youth as to what a "gift" is, we have opted to take it back. A park will never again be built in this area with public funds. We will be happy to let you apply for permits to build your own park, with your own funding.

Have a nice day."


If kids f**k something up, you have to take it away from them. They don't learn any other way.

Actually, It teaches them breach of contract and not to trust anybody on their word - especially since the government has done exactly the breach of trust.

Trust me, 'Indian giving' does not solve anything and creates more problems than it solves.

Then perhaps they should've held up their end of the bargain and not painted obscenities all over everything.

When given the freedom to do an act that was normally forbidden, it will be explored and utilized. After a while, doing the forbidden would then seem pointless and that's when the exploration of expression begins.

In other words, your farking officials couldn't stand the birthpain of expression, so they decided to abort their project.

If the idiots waited a while, then by time, the true artists would be attracted to a project like this.

That city could have said, "no profanity or we'll shut the place down". Kids would still get to graffiti the shait out of the place and the city wouldn't have to worry about profanity.

In my old town that's what they did. Kids graffiti up the place and if someone did write profanity, the kids usually policed themselves and covered it up so they wouldn't lose their park.

tukatz: All of my comments regarding "skateboarders" are based on my own experiences with the ones in my area. I am not doubting that there are people elsewhere who legitimately practice skateboarding as a sport. I am in Wisconsin (the crappy part of) and do not see real skateboarders. Here they use the boards as props to pretend that they do something. I am not generalizing.... we actually have skate parks in the area.... they're covered in crappy-looking graffiti, stuff is broken and removed, and the kids hang out there to smoke pot or meth, not skate. They show no pride in the park. These parks were begged for my local communities.... thinking that the kids would appreciate them. Now they regret offering something like that to the ungrateful and destructive "users". They are essentially posers who have no other identity, so they pretend to be skateboarders. They do not use the boards for anything.

Suggestion: If kids (and adults) in the communities are really skaters and want to change the opinions of the majority, then they should publicly distance themselves from the wanna-bes.... because they make everyone look bad. Clean up the skate parks. Turn in the punks that wreck things. Organize real skating events.

You're missing the deeper issue here. The real problem is the good-for-nothing kids these days. That's a dig on you being old and crotchety.

In all seriousness, I think the real problem is that when I grew up skating, you could get your skateboard confiscated and get hauled down to the local cop shop, where your parents would be called and forced to come pick you up, just for being in possession of a skateboard. Seriously.

Being a skateboarder meant that I was a devil-worshipper, I killed dogs and cats and birds for fun, I destroyed property for laughs (no lulz back then), I didn't respect my parents or any body else, I was stupid, and I'd never amount to anything. Now you see it on TV. It's hugely popular and fairly well accepted.

We had to fight for it. We once cleaned up an abandoned basketball court in my town that was all overgrown and in a horrible state of disrepair. We pulled the vegetation from the asphalt, swept up all the rocks and debris, nice and neat as could be, then we had a place to skate. It was out of the way, it cost nothing to taxpayers (beyond the initial construction many years back). It cleaned up an otherwise useless public asset and got us off the streets. It was awesome, we brought in some small ramps and curbs and other obstacles. It was really the best place we had ever had to skateboard without driving an hour and a half. Then some street hockey guys started coming and they left their goals on one side while we kept our ramps on the other.

That was fine. It's a public place, right? We can share. Then one day, all the ramps were gone and there was a sign hanging up on the gate saying that skateboarding is not allowed in the courts anymore, punishable by law.

Maybe you're right in your opinion about the skaters in your area. But I think you're probably looking at them through the same eyes that saw me as Satan's personal helper.

Approves.

/Bush hates Borf
//so does Obama

In my experience - looking for art buying art , at the local college or university usually pays off bigtime - i m almost never disapointed and can usualy find somethin really cool for a little $$

TheSignPost: "In response to a clear lack of understanding on the part of local youth as to what a "gift" is, we have opted to take it back. A park will never again be built in this area with public funds. We will be happy to let you apply for permits to build your own park, with your own funding.

Have a nice day."


If kids f**k something up, you have to take it away from them. They don't learn any other way.


I can't imagine the city wants to just demolish something they spent that much money on. If you're interested check the google for some info. I believe it is still the largest outdoor skatepark in North America.

tuna fingers: Pair-o-Dice: tukatz: "young urban artists"

I hate that term.... it almost justifies crappy graffiti.

Like calling a common thief a "shoplifter". Makes it sound nicer.

Kinda like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'.

/FTFA: Lee Thompson, a 25-year-old who's been skateboarding at the park for a decade = loser *holds L on forehead*

You sound fat.

Naw he sounds like a WoW player.

tukatz: Well then you should come to my town and tell the "skateboarders" that....

You sir, are a useless RenFaire douchwad. I hope your kids hate you and stay off your lawn.
That is all.

Farmerjohn48pan:
No. Do not clean up that mess. The skate park should be bulldozed and replaced with a Senior Center or some other useful function that will be appreciated by a different demographic. Then they should outlaw skateboarding inside city limits. Fark those little bastards. And fark the liberal mindset that created them.

I also hate it when kids get outside and exercise. Especially when they listen to hip-hop. Calgary clearly needs more fat white people.

stryker4526: Then perhaps they should've held up their end of the bargain and not painted obscenities all over everything.

what "bargain"? The idiot adults handed a bunch of idiot kids several cases of spraypaint and gave them carte blanche with no supervision or an idea of WTF they wanted it to look like once finished.

The city then sent in some asshole to shut down the three-month project after just two days because the city didn't like what they saw. Most of the vandalism came from these artists after they weren't allowed to finish the projects they were contracted for.

dennysgod: That city could have said, "no profanity or we'll shut the place down". Kids would still get to graffiti the shait out of the place and the city wouldn't have to worry about profanity.

In my old town that's what they did. Kids graffiti up the place and if someone did write profanity, the kids usually policed themselves and covered it up so they wouldn't lose their park.

Here's a big question for you and anyone else interested in replying:

If you're not allowed to do profanity, how would you feel free to express something equally forbidden or controversial?

There would be no expressed discontent about religion, government, social injustice or poverty.

If one was discontent about the police and views them as the largest legalized 'gang' and decided to express the phrase: "Fark the police.", are they really being 'good for nothings' or are they actually pissed off about law enforcement corruption?

Profanity is the true test regarding freedom of speech - If you cannot swear, how safe would you feel saying anything else forbidden?