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(CNN)   Eagles announce a new farewell tour, named "Farewell I"   ( divider line
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2003-03-05 11:12:23 AM  
Last time, hell froze over. I won't trust their Lyin Eyes this time. I thought they were Already Gone?
2003-03-05 12:13:31 PM  
I quit liking the Eagles when I found out "Hotel California" was about the founding of the First Church of Satan. The Pope of this Satanic church-Anton LeVay is even inside the album cover up in one of the windows of the hotel. Listen to the lyrics of the song if you doubt my advice. 1965 was the year that "church" was founded-"..we haven't had that spirit here since 1965." The whole damn song is riddled with satanic references. I'm a huge Heavy Metal fan and this song is way too satanic for me.
2003-03-05 12:24:15 PM  
Hey Tadpole, did you make sure and put a bobber on that line?

I don't understand why Don Felder got booted after all this time.... And as far as the tour name, at least they're being honest about their 'fairwell' tour, unlike Kiss et al who do their "final" tour about 5-6 times. At least The Eagles number theirs. I still like them - but I don't know about paying all that cash for a friggin ticket. I'm too old to see a concert now anyway...
2003-03-05 01:03:44 PM  

From an interview with Mr. Walsh:

IMWT: Is it true that, on the cover of Hotel California, late Church of Satan founder Anton LaVey is seen standing in one of the hotel windows?

JW: Absolutely not. Any reference to Satan or anything like that is completely in the eyes of whoever is thinking that. That's a reflection of how sick they are. The guy in the window is one of the Elektra/Asylum publicity guys. The lighting just happened to be bad and he was really shy, so he was just peeking around the corner.

I hear they'll be selling tin-foil hats at the concession stand...
2003-03-05 01:14:26 PM  
I guess hell thawed out huh.
2003-03-05 01:22:42 PM  
This is [image from too old to be available], but give them credit for being upfront and honest about it, unlike
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2003-03-05 02:29:15 PM  
Just read the lyrics. Do you expect them to openly admit either their mistake or their satanic tendencies?
2003-03-05 03:21:01 PM  
Tadpole, that's a famous urban legend and the band has fun with it. As they should -- as urban legends go, it's one of the better ones. Also, the year mentioned in the song was "1969". The song is really a warning, not a clarion call to Satanic arms. As it turns out, Don Henley is actually a down-home, family-raisin', God-fearin' kinda guy.
2003-03-05 03:22:18 PM  

Their mistake?


How many albums have they sold? How filthy rich are they? That was a mistake? I wish I could make a few mistakes like that.

I always heard the song was about drug use ("Some dance to remember, some dance to forget") and how hard it is to give it up ("You can check out any time you like but you can never leave")

Is "Pretty Maids all in a row" about satan too? Wasted time? Last resort? They're all on the same satanic album, so they probably have backward masked lyrics and all that crap, too.

"We were all middle-class kids from the Midwest," Henley said of the Eagles. "'Hotel California' was our interpretation of the high life in Los Angeles. It was meant to be a metaphor for the United States, for the excesses this country has always been known for. It wasn't meant to be just about California or Beverly Hills. It was more or less taken that way, but we had broader intentions than that. When you love something, you have to point out the things that are going wrong."

(of course he doesn't want to admit it either, right?)

BTW, here are other rumors (false) about 'the' Hotel California.
2003-03-05 03:35:36 PM  
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I hate the freakin' Eagles, man!
2003-03-05 03:53:24 PM  
Hey, Tadpole, were you ever a minister at a church in Boise, Idaho? If so, your yammering sounds familiar.
2003-03-05 03:54:12 PM  
I saw Joe Walsh in concert a couple years ago...he rocked! I don't really like the Eagles as a group, though. Gimme Joe Walsh with the James Gang or Barnstorm! Yeah!
2003-03-05 03:54:14 PM  
Yea. I can honestly say that, "I hate the farkin' Eagles man..."
2003-03-05 03:54:28 PM  
I must remember to put this on my things not to do list.
2003-03-05 03:55:19 PM  
Well that song, "Life in the Bass Lands" isn't really about fishing.
2003-03-05 03:55:34 PM  
IF this is their final NFL season, I am going to be pissed off. I mean, not having the Eagles play in Philadelphia, wow. They just built a new stadium and...oh
2003-03-05 03:57:16 PM  
Plus Bump, there might be a lot of hippie, pot-smokers there...

2003-03-05 03:57:34 PM  
Tadpole, you are kidding, right?
Did you take the brown acid?
Is your Pot PUre or are you smoking that Ghetto Chronic?
2003-03-05 03:57:34 PM  
The *BLING" Must be Runnin' Low.
2003-03-05 03:58:25 PM  
Tadpole - Man, you gotta get your stuff straight before you open your mouth, at least quote the lyrics correctly, it's 1969, not 1965, you dork...
2003-03-05 03:58:35 PM  
hey - i like the eagles and all, but am less prone to see them in concert. not to mention don felder is not touring with them? such an underrated guitarist.
2003-03-05 03:59:42 PM  
What? Is this a joke?
I think perhaps the Eagles smoked a smidgen too much dope in the 70's...
2003-03-05 04:00:32 PM  
Eagles = yuck.
2003-03-05 04:01:26 PM  
Don Henley Must Die!!

Don't let him get back together with Glen Fry!!
2003-03-05 04:01:28 PM  
Please Please Please (Am I coming off too Morrissey-ish?)

Let Glen Frey do some of his solo stuff.

The H is O
2003-03-05 04:01:32 PM  
Somebody's gonna hurt someone,
before this thread is through.
Somebody's gonna come undone,
There's nothin' Drew can do.
Everybody wants to flame somebody,
if it takes all night.
Everybody wants to take a little stance,
Make it come out right.
There's gonna be a heartache tonight,
a heartache tonight, I know.
There's gonna be a heartache tonight, I know.
Lord, I know.
2003-03-05 04:01:53 PM  
You know what is sad?
That asshats like Brittany Spears, InStink, Backwash Boys and Christina Gagulerra are collecting grammys and or accolades and mega cash while our youth has no clue about th4e roots of good Rock and Roll... Where it was actually played by MUSICIANS who knew how to play INSTRUMENTS and write their own LYRICS.
Sad sad sad
2003-03-05 04:02:09 PM  
Sven_Burger, I laughed my ass off at that line when I first saw the movie.
2003-03-05 04:03:33 PM  
No Don Felder = no interest.

He basically wrote Hotel California (the song) but he is treated like a second-class citizen by Frey and Henley, or so I hear. Although they are all rich beyond belief and will soon be richer after the Fall down a well tour...
2003-03-05 04:03:38 PM  
The "Hotel California" album is not about Satanism.  That is an urban legend only.

However, it's completely true that "Hotel California" was written and recorded to perfectly sync up with "The Wizard of Oz."
2003-03-05 04:03:51 PM  
They must be serious about a big tour though, I heard Don Henley is throwing the crew a nipple peircing party next week.
2003-03-05 04:04:08 PM  
2003-03-05 04:04:14 PM  
03-05-03 12:13:31 PM Tadpole
1965 was the year that "church" was founded-"..we haven't had that spirit here since 1965."

Far be it from me to stand up for The Eagles (I'm not a fan), but wasn't the year in the song 1969 and not 1965?
2003-03-05 04:05:44 PM  
peircing= piercing my spell checker is on her lunch break
2003-03-05 04:05:58 PM  
Tadpole, I assume that you think the band KISS named themselves for "Kings In Satan's Service" as well, huh?
2003-03-05 04:06:05 PM  
Man, I friggin' HATE the Eagles. They were among the first groups to have a "one time only reunion tour" which seemed to justify the high price of the tickets. Unfortunately, it was all a lie and subsequently caused ticket prices to rise overall because the music industry saw we were stupid enough to pay $80 to see a bunch of prune-faced, washed-up rock has beens. Screw 'em.
2003-03-05 04:06:17 PM  
Farewell tour? Good, I hate the Eagles. shiattiest football team out there. Does this mean that an expansion team will be coming into the fold season after next?

/Go Pats
2003-03-05 04:06:28 PM  
My whole life I thought I was the freak for hating The Eagles until I saw The Big Lebowski and now I'm finally OK with my hatred for their shiatty music.

I don't hate Joe Walsh, tho. In fact, once I heard him playing his guitar while I was hiking in the canyons near his house in LA. The echo was very cool. :)
2003-03-05 04:06:30 PM  
I hear Tom Jones is gonna be the opening act.
2003-03-05 04:06:50 PM  
this is the most blatant case of false-advertising since my lawsuit against the makers of The Neverending Story
2003-03-05 04:07:05 PM  
I thought "Hotel California" was about an insane asylum.
2003-03-05 04:07:12 PM  
It's all true, Hotel California is about da debil. Boycott The Eagles.

Now I'm off to listen to some wholesome Slayer CDs.
2003-03-05 04:07:39 PM  
Kicking the tour off here in Richmond? Between that , Cher last weekm and the Springsteen show tomorrow night, it's like 1982 'round here! We are so big time!
2003-03-05 04:07:41 PM  
03-05-03 04:03:38 PM BillDarryl

Thats funny, but really, isn't it dark side of the moon?
2003-03-05 04:08:02 PM  
Korzeniowski, your point would be what?
2003-03-05 04:08:50 PM  
Ok, so bite me-1969. Just read all the lyrics. Who wrote the song?
2003-03-05 04:08:59 PM  
The "Farewell I" is a joke from the's really to make fun of bands like KISS who have had like five or six farewell tours, and undoubtedly acts like Cher, who is just completing her "farewell" tour.

If you get a chance to see these guys, however, go. I've seen them live a couple of times in recent years (once on Dec 31, 1999 at their Millennium show and once at the RAC show). Unlike a lot of other groups, they sound just as amazing live as they do in the studio. Plus, you just can't argue with the hits they've had. Their first Greatest Hits album is sometimes the biggest selling album of all time (it trades off with Thriller occasionally), and that was BEFORE Hotel California came out.
2003-03-05 04:09:04 PM  
Before they got back together last time, someone asked Joe Walsh if it was true they were offered $1 million to play one show.

He said "Nah, we would never get back together for money, and besides, it wasn't enough."
2003-03-05 04:09:09 PM  
Are the Eagles the top-selling American Band of all time? My Dad always says that they are, and I can't think of another American band that has clearly sold more albums than them.
2003-03-05 04:09:28 PM  
I heard that all of the Eagles who are standing in front of the flames on the cover were the ones killed in the airplane crash....

FLAChickie I'll bet they wuz smokin zum of that there wacky backy too.... damn hippy treehuggin' tax-n-spend pot smokin draft doggin liberals...

No. No I'm not a pothead. But I am willing to learn. Will they send me someplace special?
2003-03-05 04:10:51 PM  
Best Selling Album of all time "The Eagles Greatest Hits".
You may not like em but they hold the throne!
2003-03-05 04:11:16 PM  
I always thought Hotel California was about a hotel. In California.
2003-03-05 04:11:46 PM  
The Eagles suck. Horrible. Blah. Down with The Eagles.
2003-03-05 04:12:50 PM  
Where's Mojo Nixon when you need him???!!!!
2003-03-05 04:13:33 PM  

Google for "dark side of the rainbow" to read all about the penomenon. I've never tried it, but it sounds like it would be cool.
2003-03-05 04:14:12 PM  
Frksamor - You failed to mention how RAP, R&B, or whatever name is in vogue these days for that merchandising style, is considered talent. It's melancholy Country & Western lyrics placed in an urban setting, screamed or spoken by untalented men and women who have the range of three notes.

BTW - You may not appreciate the antics of Christina, but the woman has a voice that the others can only dream about.
2003-03-05 04:14:20 PM  
LOS ANGELES (CNN) -- "The Eagles, Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975," released in 1976, was honored Tuesday as the top-selling album of the century by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).

Although the award only takes into account the album's 26 million sales in the United States -- in worldwide album sales, Michael Jackson's "Thriller" album is at 46 million, versus the "Greatest Hits"' 40 million sales -- the band is nonetheless gratified by the recognition.

2003-03-05 04:14:36 PM  
Shiattiest band ever. Shiat together, shiat as solo acts.
2003-03-05 04:17:26 PM  
yes DrBenway, Bring Me the Head of Don Henley!
2003-03-05 04:18:24 PM  
I've tried that "dark side of the rainbow" thing for like the first 15-20 mins of the movie. it's pretty cool, but you gotta really stretch for some of the connections. if you got the album and the movie and a bag of..."oregano"....and time to spare, i'd try it out. it's fun.
2003-03-05 04:18:45 PM  
Blandest Band in the Land. Please leave, and take your lifeless music with you.
2003-03-05 04:19:53 PM  
To be followed by "SHUT THE FARK UP ALREADY!"
2003-03-05 04:20:27 PM  
Thanks Rev heard about this a long time ago from a friend. Personally I just thought he was stoned.
2003-03-05 04:20:56 PM  
er...Don Henley must die.
2003-03-05 04:21:58 PM  
Nice catch, Irockalot. I will say this much for Henley, he's got a sense of humor. Got up on stage and sang it with Mojo at the old Hole In The Wall here in Austin a few years ago...
2003-03-05 04:22:43 PM  
This website

Says that the Beach Boys have sold more records than any other American band.
2003-03-05 04:24:10 PM  

Just cuz' shiat like this gets under my skin.

Church of Satan home page.

First line: "Welcome to the official website of the Church of Satan. Founded on April 30, 1966 c.e. by Anton Szandor LaVey"

Interview with Peter H. Gilmore, the High Priest of the Church of Satan (September 2001):

"(5) One of the popular myths about the song "Hotel California" is that it's about Satanism, that it references the old COS at 1969 California St. Is that accurate?

You'd have to ask the people who wrote it for their opinion. It is a pleasant legend."

Also, about the original founder:

LaVey claimed that on the night of April 30, 1966 (the German Satanic festival of Walpurgisnacht), "in a blinding flash" he declared himself the High Priest of Satan, proclaimed that the Age of Satan had begun, and founded the Church of Satan as a religious institution.

Here are the facts about the Church's founding: In 1966 LaVey made a living by presenting weekend lectures on exotic and occult topics, and by conducting "Witches' Workshops". He charged $2 a head and established a local reputation as an eccentric. Professional publicist Edward Webber suggested to LaVey that he "would never make any money by lecturing on
Friday nights for donations ... it would be better to form some sort of church and get a charter from the State of California ... I told Anton at the time that the press was going to flip out over all this and that we would get a lot of notoriety". In the summer of 1966, long after the fictional founding-date invented later, a newspaper article about LaVey's lectures offhandedly referred to him as "priest of the Devil's church". This mixture of Webber's idea and the newspaper's characterization resulted in the creation of the Church of Satan as a business and publicity vehicle.

LaVey and his Church both went bankrupt. In his last years he existed with the help of California state aid. Assessors declared his house, the Church of Satan building on California Street, to be in such poor repair as to be nearly worthless on the real estate market. BTW, the house originally belonged to LaVey's parents; it was given to LaVey and his then-wife Diane. Family members have attested to the fact that by the mid-1970s the LaVeys lived in near-poverty.

Not much to be afraid of, I'm afraid...
2003-03-05 04:25:13 PM  

Says that the Beach Boys have sold more albums than the Eagles, or any other American band.
2003-03-05 04:26:34 PM  
Oh yeah, they're Satanic - remember "Witchy Woman?"

That reminds me of this stupid anti-rock-music program my mom made me watch back in the 1970's. Some fundies played Led Zeppelin's "Stairway To Heaven" backwards, specifically parts that supposedly sounded like, "There's power in Satan," and "Here's to my sweet Satan."

The Eagles sing of "sweet summer sweat" in "Hotel California." Hmmm...

I hope The Eagles come to L.A. soon!
2003-03-05 04:27:32 PM  
Dave matthews = Greatest band of all time
2003-03-05 04:28:44 PM  
i got "Don Henley Must Die" mixed up with Mojo's song "Bring Me the Head of David Geffen"

funny stuff
2003-03-05 04:29:38 PM  
don't really listen to music there, do you PolkManiac?
2003-03-05 04:29:53 PM  
Also known as the "How Can You Miss Us If We Won't Go Away" tour.
2003-03-05 04:30:26 PM  
I'd buy a ticket in a New York minute. But I've been told by many a farker that my taste in music.
2003-03-05 04:30:32 PM  
My favorite Joe Walsh quote is something he said during his guest appearance on the TV show "Who's Line is it Anyway" - "It's . . . really hard to meditate . . . on amphetamines."

Brought the house down and I couldn't breathe for laughing so hard.
2003-03-05 04:31:04 PM  
who wrote the song?

[church lady]: Hmmm... could it be -

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Actually, it is credited as "Felder/Frey/Henley" on the album.
2003-03-05 04:31:05 PM  
Saw the Eagles Hotel California tour in Miami - it was a great concert, but Jimmy Buffet stole to show (well, it was Miami).

Considering their ticket prices on their "hell freezes over" tour, The Eagles can now kiss my rosey Irish ass!!
2003-03-05 04:31:44 PM  
Er....taste in music sucks.
2003-03-05 04:31:58 PM  
Dave matthews = Greatest band of all time

Hey, you left off "/starts flame war" from the end of that post.
2003-03-05 04:32:04 PM  
PolkManiac, i sincerly hope that's sarcasm, otherwise you have no business talking about music in any fashion.
2003-03-05 04:32:25 PM  
Concur, Irockalot. DMB sucks almost as much as the Eagles.
2003-03-05 04:32:32 PM  
i heard that if you listen to 'hotel california'backwards it will make you bite the heads off of bats and possibly induce you to violate a groupie with a mud-shark.
on a more serios note,...i went to see the eagles in july of last year.i was kinda expecting it to be a disapointment as i grew up listening to those guys (still do) and that music means a lot to me.i didn't think it would stand up to what i was hoping to see.the tickets seemed to cost way to much and i wasn't thrilled by the fact that don felder wasn't with them anymore (still think that's pretty shiatty) but i figured it may be the only chance to see them so i went.
if you are any degree of fan at all i urge you to go and see them.i was completely blown was all i wanted and more.they played for almost 3 hours,some of the best live music i've ever heard.joe walsh very nearly took the roof off the place.they played the group hits and the solo was all very good.i paid for 2 tickets and felt like i got my money's freaking show i've ever seen.
2003-03-05 04:33:07 PM  
I like the Eagles, would go and see them if they come down under. The problem is you are a bunch of fark-wit 12 year olds who wouldn't know good music if it bit you on the arse.

Anyway, I though Garth Brooks was the #1 record seller in the States ???
2003-03-05 04:33:18 PM  
The Eagles are, indeed, part of an elite group. Only the Doors and the Grateful Dead suck as horrendously as the friggin' Eagles.


...but at least they never released Tarkus

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2003-03-05 04:33:52 PM  
The Eagles they have more talent in a cast off toenail than anyone in the hip hop or rap field. I did fail to call it music because rap and hip hop is not. It's manufactured by computers and electronics and is mainly samples of real music from a bygone era made by people who cannot sing a note of music. Most have horrible raspy gravely voices that totally turn me off. Perfect example of no talent, Lady Marmalade, when each singer has a chance to do a little solo, each hits a terific note of some sort except for the rapper who does the typical "uh huh" "yeah"... Proof! Ok, now I'll take my soap box and head off to another corner...
2003-03-05 04:34:13 PM  
03-05-03 04:29:38 PM Irockalot

I knew someone would bite. Actually, yes, quite a bit. I've got a double major in Jazz theory and performance (emphasis in percussion) from UNT. Musically speaking, they're the best band I've heard in a long time, thanks mostly to Carter Beauford, their drummer. Their stuff is some of the most rhythmically and musically advanced music out there, especially from a technical perpespictive.
2003-03-05 04:35:21 PM  
TheAnvil, idunno, as much as u may hate the Eagles, they at least have more that ONE SONG that they just change the lyrics to in order to make it sound new. i had a perfectly good anti-DMB rant in the thread to the D4 followup thread, but noooooo, they had to remove it. tools.
2003-03-05 04:35:30 PM  
Bah! The Eagles last great album was One Of These Nights, Bernie Leadon left after soon followed by Randy Meisner who left after Hotel California, they got out before the band turned to complete crap....
2003-03-05 04:35:51 PM  
Re: Don Felder... he did the guitar arrangement for "Hotel California" but did not write the lyrics. And I was bummed when they kicked him out of the band, too, but I think there's alot of stuff going on there that the public doesn't (and won't) know... the band seems to be MUCH more harmonious without him. So, if you hate the Eagles, blame the dismissal of Felder for bringing them back for all their future Farewell tours.
2003-03-05 04:35:58 PM  
"I like the Eagles, would go and see them if they come down under. The problem is you are a bunch of fark-wit 12 year olds who wouldn't know good music if it bit you on the arse.

Funny you should say that, since "my ass" is the phrase invariably uttered after the sentence "Hey, you wanna listen to the Eagles?"

Bleah :P Gimme Gram Parsons 11 times out of 10.
2003-03-05 04:36:32 PM  
Hey Bump,

Don Felder got booted out because Don Henley and Glenn Frey are a couple of greedy asshats. Henley, Felder, and Frey were in a business partnership (separate from the Eagles) known as Eagles Ltd. which profited from merchandise sales etc. Joe Walsh and Timothy B. Schmidt were just hired employees and did not share in the profits of Eagles Ltd. Felder was feeling screwed out of royalties and wanted a larger cut (one glaring example is the song Hotel California, which he wrote entirely), and Frey and Henley figured out that instead of splitting the profits by three, they could eliminate Felder and share the profits 50/50. What happened next was Felder suing Felder and Frey. Jackson Browne and J.D. Souther also sued Felder and Frey for being shafted out of royalties they deserved.

As a side note... they really aren't the Eagles without Don Felder, even though he wasn't an original member. I saw them in July 2002 with some other guy playing guitar... although I gotta say Joe Walsh is one bad mofo after he put on the greatest live guitar showcase I've ever personally seen.
2003-03-05 04:39:01 PM  

I just love starting arguments, and it seems like making that statement usually works quite well.
2003-03-05 04:39:42 PM  
"The Eagles they have more talent in a cast off toenail than anyone in the hip hop or rap field."

Thanks, Dad.

(What year is this, 1982??!?!)
2003-03-05 04:43:53 PM  
KISS has announced a farewell tour..its called "Farewell XXVII"!
2003-03-05 04:44:21 PM  
Where's Mojo Nixon when you need him???!!!!

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Whereabouts Unknown
2003-03-05 04:45:40 PM  
OK, I know I'm in a minority here, and I know I'm going to catch a rash of sheight for this one (expecting the backlash), but I've always loved the farkin' Eagles. I have ever since I was 10 and raided my fathers Eagles, Bread, CSN, and Simon & Garfunkle albums. I'll even throw in a little Mason Williams for good measure. I still get chills when I hear the beginning of "Take It Easy".
There's a lot to be said about the ticket prices, Don Felder's treatment and ultimate dismissal, and Don Henley's unbelievable self-righteousness, but say what you want, the music stands on it's own two feet.
There's a reason that their Greatest Hits sold 27 million, Hotel California - 16 million, and Greatest Hits #2 - 10 million. It aint''cause they suck.
2003-03-05 04:47:02 PM  
The_Pole_Of_Justice....Holy crap!!! Tarkus???

I'm speechless. I've got that somewhere in a stack of LP's and it hasn't seen the light of day in probably 20 years.

I wasn't that bad, was it? I honestly can't even remember.
2003-03-05 04:47:20 PM  

Come clean with us, now, okay? You're really the Most Right Reverend Charles M. Young, aren't you?
2003-03-05 04:47:37 PM  
I turn on the tube and what do I see
A whole lotta people cryin' "Don't blame me"
They point their crooked little fingers ar everybody else
Spend all their time feelin' sorry for themselves
Victim of this, victim of that
Your momma's too thin; your daddy's too fat

Get over it
Get over it
All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it

You say you haven't been the same since you had your little crash
But you might feel better if I gave you some cash
The more I think about it, Old Billy was right
Let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight
You don't want to work, you want to live like a king
But the big, bad world doesn't owe you a thing

Get over it
Get over it
If you don't want to play, then you might as well split
Get over it, Get over it

It's like going to confession every time I hear you speak
You're makin' the most of your losin' streak
Some call it sick, but I call it weak

You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin' everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass

Get over it
Get over it
All this biatchin' and moanin' and pitchin' a fit
Get over it, get over it

Get over it
Get over it
It's gotta stop sometime, so why don't you quit
Get over it, get over it


C'mon, how can you NOT love that song??!!?!?
2003-03-05 04:48:28 PM  
One of the all-time great sins against popular music seems to be an ex-Eagle. Henley and Frey's respective solo output is this incomprehensible morass of suck, so when you put them together, the ensuing horror is too great to imagine.

Die Eagles Die.
2003-03-05 04:50:10 PM  
The greatest American Band of all time is Mike and the Mechanics. Or maybe Creed. I'm not sure which.
2003-03-05 04:50:17 PM  

Oh, you mean like, "Tina Turner? She ain't shiat without Ike!"

That's always a favorite...
2003-03-05 04:55:47 PM  

There are two kinds of music lovers:

1. Those who see music as complete art. They aren't interested in technique, only the songs as a whole, and their originality.(me)

2. Those who see it technically. To them, great drummer = great band. Or whathaveyou. That's you.

I've never been able to understand you people. I'm not trying to insult, but i just don't see it.
2003-03-05 04:56:53 PM  

I like the Eagles, would go and see them if they come down under. The problem is you are a bunch of fark-wit 12 year olds who wouldn't know good music if it bit you on the arse.

Thanks. I don't really consider myself to be a "fark-wit 12 year old who wouldn't know good music if it bit you on the arse" Especially since I'm 28 and spent most of my adult life working in record stores and college radio stations (not too say such experiences make you an expert on what's good, but you can't get through those experiences without listening to a whale of a lot of farkin music). I suppose only Eagles fans have the narrow mindedness to make comments like that.

Anyway, I though Garth Brooks was the #1 record seller in the States ???

Garth Brooks can eat shiat and die as well.

And just so there aren't any international hostilities that would result in me getting a good booting, here's my list of good Aussie Music: Radio Birdman, AC/DC, INXS, The Saints, Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, The Birthday Party and I'm pretty sure that You Am I is from down under as well.
2003-03-05 04:56:58 PM  

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2003-03-05 04:57:53 PM  
PolkManiac: I agree with you, to some extent, about DMB. They are definitely MUSICIANS. I like them a lot; have dealt with a lot of crap at their concerts over the past 6 years (I was at the Hartford show that had the riot in one of the lots outside of the venue); but are they the best band ever??? That's a tough one...

These kids today... god forbid they should know how to behave at a concert!
2003-03-05 04:59:28 PM  
in my view, there's 2 kinds of people:

1) people that like DMB
2) people that like good music
2003-03-05 04:59:31 PM  
Pdeckard: I agree with you - I also have loved the Eagles for a very long time. They still sound fantastic - I saw a broadcast of their reunion concert a few years ago, and they've still got it.

And, just for the record, some of my other favorite artists are Mannheim Steamroller, Kid Rock, Rob Zombie, Korn, Jethro Tull, Eminem, Chicago, Poe, Soundgarden, Nina Simone, Aerosmith, Frank Zappa . . . the list goes on.

I like to have an open mind. Just not so open that my brain falls out. Again. I hate it when that happens.
2003-03-05 05:03:54 PM  
My fondest wish is that I read a fark thread about a person or persons and everybody says, Yeah, they're OK. I really don't have a problem with them. I think we should allow them to live.

But I know this is never going to happen. Cool song, Skinink.
2003-03-05 05:04:50 PM  
They haqve bored me for years with their top40 sugary radio overplayed crap.

Farewell Tour? Great. Goodbye.
Walsh has been a fave for years. Without the Eagles. Welcome to the Club.
2003-03-05 05:06:35 PM  
"And, just for the record, some of my other favorite artists are Mannheim Steamroller, Kid Rock, Rob Zombie, Korn, Jethro Tull, Eminem, Chicago, Poe, Soundgarden, Nina Simone, Aerosmith, Frank Zappa . . . the list goes on."

what's a nice guy like frank zappa doing hanging out with that crowd?
2003-03-05 05:08:11 PM  
last week's simon & garfunkel thread came close, surprisingly...
2003-03-05 05:11:01 PM  
Don Henley did a great cover of Leonard Cohen's "Everybody Knows" song I don't know what album but it apears as the last song on his greatest hits album Actual Miles
2003-03-05 05:11:26 PM  
The Pole of Justice - Right on! All hail the Grievous Angel!

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2003-03-05 05:11:47 PM  
Musically speaking, they're the best band I've heard in a long time, thanks mostly to Carter Beauford, their drummer. Their stuff is some of the most rhythmically and musically advanced music out there, especially from a technical perpespictive.

Yes. They are technically proficient and advanced, but that doesn't make them "good." This is true even in something as technically advanced as jazz music. John Coltrane and Bill Evans weren't good because they could play really fast or well over complicated changes. It was all about how well they could say waht was on their minds through their music. Miles Davis realized this early on and went on to make some of the most ambitious and beautiful records ever with fewer notes. If you want to talk about rock bands that are techically proficient and had some soul and balls to their music, I think The Mahavishnu Orchestra "Inner Mounting Flame" wipes the floor with anything that DMB could ever hope to do.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Music is a form of expression.

I spent some time in the school of music studying jazz as well and it took me a long time to realize that. I don't think some of those teachers ever realized it. :)
2003-03-05 05:14:40 PM  
YEAA!!! Gram Parsons is/was amazing...
2003-03-05 05:15:11 PM  
03-05-03 04:55:47 PM Irockalot

I guess I don't see how you can appreciate music as an art and not like DMB. Everything you mentioned, great songs as a whole, originality, etc, are the foundation of what is DMB. You won't find another person or group like that, becuase they are unique.

Yes, from a technical standpoint, I love their music. But I also love their music for what it is. As an example, I just don't see how someone can listen to Ant's Marching and not smile. That song, like many others has everything. It's got great lyrics (basically accurately describing the human position), awesome music, amd most importantly, personality (the 'bridge' rocks).

There's a reason why DMB has such a huge following, becuase their music appeals to different kinds of people.

Most people like it becuase it is 'fun'. It's got a cool beat (thanks to Carter), and a good groove (thanks to Leroi, Boyd, Dave, Stefan, etc). It's just fun to listen to, plus Dave has a very unique style with his voice, some like it, some dont't, but you can't argue that in an industry filled with people like Britany and the Backstreet Boys, at least it's different.

It also appeals to people like me who listen with a more technical ear, becuase it is good technically, therefore making it pleasant to listen to.
2003-03-05 05:17:07 PM  
I don't think there is anything wrong people preforming music they did not write.
2003-03-05 05:20:48 PM  
"be drink and be merrry, for tomorrow we'll die..."

Tripping Billies is one of my faves....
2003-03-05 05:21:38 PM  
My fingers have already left the office for the day...
2003-03-05 05:22:09 PM  
Pole-of, well, whatever... You think that the 70's were full of "WRONG, BLOATED, SAD, BLAND, AND WEAK" music? Hmmm... I can't agree with you about an era that put out music like "I'll Be Around" by The Spinners, "Love Train" by the O'Jays, "What's Going On", "Let's Get It On" (M.G.), Al Green's "Let's Stay Together", "Son Of A Preacher Man" by Dusty Springfield, etc. Not to mention all of the 'Tree Huggin' Hippie' music like James Taylor, CSN, and Carol King.

Not too wrong, bloated, sad, bland, or weak there, I'd say. Maybe it's just me, but I'd take the Looking Glass's "Brandy (You're A Fine Girl) over P-Diddy any day....
2003-03-05 05:24:50 PM  
John Coltrane and Bill Evans weren't good because they could play really fast or well over complicated changes. It was all about how well they could say waht was on their minds through their music.

By that rationale, Kenny G would be a good musician because he says what is on his mind through his music. I am sure he is thinking 'shiattiest thing possible' when he is playing, and that's what basically comes out, therefore a good musician.

Saying what's on your mind through music? Listen to Seek Up by DMB, very good message, and very well phrased.

The ability of people like Parker, Coltrane, Davis, Rollins....list goes on play well technically (sense of time, improvisation, etc) is what makes them good musicians. If I am feeling anger, I can pick up a sax having never played before and make a sound come out that correctly depicts anger, that doesn't make me a good musician. It is that ability combined with the technical aspect that makes me a good musician, and DMB has both.
2003-03-05 05:25:01 PM  
DrBenway what's a nice guy like frank zappa doing hanging out with that crowd?

He told me to watch out where the huskies go and don't you eat that yellow snow. Wisdom to live by.

The rest of the music I listen to just sounds good, in my humble opinion. Remember, the short list I gave was inclusive, not exclusive :)
2003-03-05 05:35:54 PM  
I Hate Your Favorite Band
2003-03-05 05:39:17 PM  
The Mahavishnu Orchestra totally ripped Vital Transformation off that CD from the Brecker Brothers, some old school. Yeah, I love The Mahavishnu Orchestra, but I don't think they're as good all around as DMB, Sure John Mclaughlin is a damn genius, but I'll have to go with DMB overall.
2003-03-05 05:41:46 PM  
How'd I know you were from Texas?
2003-03-05 05:43:42 PM  
Huh? If I saw someone ranting about DMB, I'd think they were from Charlottesville (spelling?
2003-03-05 05:43:59 PM  

The Eagles were offered $1 Million to play a private birthday party about a year and a half ago. They asked for $1.5 million and didn't get it. As a side note, the Bee Gee's were also contacted for the party and wanted $3.5 million. They didn't play either.
2003-03-05 05:46:16 PM  

Your Statement earlier makes no sense, You can like DMB or not, that's your choice, but to deny the fact that they produce good music is simply ludicrous.
2003-03-05 05:46:46 PM  
I thought Hotel California was about a Fark party...
2003-03-05 05:51:26 PM  
The Brecker Brothers???? Oh, sweet jeebus with a nightstick. somebody shoot me now. please.
2003-03-05 05:51:49 PM  
I am a little uncomfortable on this thread, it being a multi-front flamewar about something that I know about. I will try to keep it simple and article-related:

1) The Eagles suck rod.

2)the article mentions Peter Gabriel's second leg US tour starts 6/7. Go see this show. It is not as good as the "Secret World" tour (92-93), but still an opportunity to see some of the best rock/prog musicians play great songs in a very theatrical context. Just seeing Tony Levin is worth the ticket price, he's so subtle and good.

3) The Eagles suck ass live (I have been dragged to shows TWICE. My eyes still burn....still burn)

4) Don Henley is the boring, opinionated minion of Asmodeus and should be stopped before he is allowed to make one more farking dollar. I hate him.

There. All flame, no filler!!
2003-03-05 05:54:11 PM  

What's your beef with the brecker Brothers????

You do realize that Michael is one of the best sax players alive today?
2003-03-05 05:54:45 PM  

Saw PG's first solo tour, post-Genesis. Tony Levin. Robert Fripp sitting in a chair in the wings. Opening band: Television. Quality entertainment, that.
2003-03-05 05:57:06 PM  
Wait, I take it back. Led Zeppelin is the best American band. Or maybe Musical Youth. One of those, anyway.
2003-03-05 05:57:36 PM  
Sure, Brecker can play. Lots of people can play. But what do they play? and what do they record? I have most unpleasant memories of Brecker Brothers Band disco-jazz pap smears from the 70's that gave cheese a bad name. It was an ugly time...
2003-03-05 05:58:35 PM  
03-05-03 04:59:28 PM Car_Ramrod
in my view, there's 2 kinds of people:

1) people that like DMB
2) people that like good music

I think it goes like this:

1)People who divide everyone into two groups of people
2)People who don't
2003-03-05 05:58:37 PM  
Frankly, I haven't heard any good music since Up With People broke up.
2003-03-05 06:01:21 PM  
shiat man, everybody went through that. Even Tower of Power had their disco-jazz days, but at least it was good disco-jazz. Though when I think of the Brecker Brothers, I tend to think of tunes like Skunk Funk and Rocks, great music, like it or not. Then they had that Out of the Loop album, couldn't get into that though. At any rate, I was only using the Brecker brothers tune as a comparison for another group. I personally like Michael Brecker much better solo, Tales From the Hudson is one of my favorite albums.
2003-03-05 06:02:11 PM  
I suggest Texas because people from Texas seem to like everything i stand against. DMB, Bush, country music, "don't mess with texas" or anything stupid like that, etc. And to suggest they make good music is what's ludicrous. My ex-gf, who coincidently is from Texas, loves DMB and i had to listen to it, and they also play some of their songs on trailer tapes at Blockbuster where I work so I'm subjected to it there. I see no reason why anyone would willfully listen to that garbage. Every song sounds the same, and it's all bad. Horribly, horribly bad. It's for conformist tools. If you wanna listen to good chills bands, I go for phish, string cheese incident, widespread panic, m.o.e., etc. But that's just me. And in case you wonder what music i listen to (cuz people tend to ask that when i bash their tastes) i listen to ska, punk, alternative. specifically flogging molly, reel big fish, bouncing souls, linkin park, offspring, goldfinger, ataris, etc. that's all from me.
2003-03-05 06:04:06 PM  
03-05-03 05:54:45 PM DrBenway

That sounds great. Fripp is a great player, but I could do without the sitting-down-during-the-loud-rock-show pretension bit. I've seen him w/ King Crimson a couple of times and that is just annoying. But here's a funny anecdote about him:

A fan sent a letter complining that he could only see Fripp for %40 percent of the (King C)show, and that it really detracted from his experience. Fripp sent him a check for 60% of the ticket price and asked him to please not come to any future concerts.

Funny snobs are better than dry snobs.
2003-03-05 06:09:11 PM  
Does anyone here have any apriciation for "clasical music"
Shostacovich, or Strawinski
2003-03-05 06:09:39 PM  
Okay, so Reel Big Fish, Garbage, and Offspring have good music but DMB does not, well that pretty much blows the validity of anything you said previously. Geez...

I'd like to see the drumer for any of those bands do sixtuplet rudiments at 180 in 4/4 while doing a double bass beat and popping bubble gum at the same time.

By the way, I love Phish, saw them open for DMB once, great band.

I hate Bush and country music.

Again, you can either like DMB or not, that's your choice. But to say that you honestly belive they don't produce good music is simply false, any way you slice it.
2003-03-05 06:10:51 PM  
I love classical stuff, pachabell and Stravinsky are two of my favorites.
2003-03-05 06:13:46 PM  
"at least it was good disco-jazz."

See, right there, we have a major problem. You may as well be saying "but it was some really tasty shiat sandwich! It had gravy!" from my perspective. Granted, a lot of decent players tried to cash in on the trend, but it all sucked in a most royal fashion. And everything Brecker I've heard that wasn't lame disco-jazz, it all was one big Saturday Night Live soundtrack... great chops, very tight, but not a hell of a lot more.
2003-03-05 06:14:44 PM  
In fact, I did a jazz arrangement of Canon in D major for my arrangement jury my junior year at UNT. I'm a jazz person, but I love the classical also
2003-03-05 06:19:35 PM  
You went to UNT for jazz?
awsome, All of my friends go to the Hartt school in CT infact mabye you could help me
Wynton Marsalis is playing here tonight at the school should i go?
2003-03-05 06:19:39 PM  

you gotta pick up either Tales From the Hudson or Michael Brecker (self titles album). That stuff's more be-bop style jazz, heavily reminiscent of Coltrane. he's considered by most in the Jaz community to be one of the best alive (some like Redman), if not the best. Granted, his older stuff is wierd, but check out somt stuff from those albums.

What you wrote above about the Saturday Night Live soundtracks, and being tight with good chops actually better describes Lenny Pickett (formerly with Tower of Power), he's badd ass too
2003-03-05 06:21:06 PM  
RamRod: easy on us down here in Texas. And don't blame me for Bush, either. I tried to warn everyone, but did they listen to me? No. They did not.

Some of Fripp's old Musician columns were pretty funny. I saw do a solo Frippertronics gig in a record store once -- just him with his guitar and a pair of Revox machines. I tore up at least a couple of reels of tape trying to synch a pair of recorders together like that...
2003-03-05 06:22:21 PM  

You should definitely go. He's not the greatest trumpet player ever, but he's really good. He's unique in that he does both the classical and jazz stuf really well. It's surely worth a couple hours of your time.

His brother brandon (plays the sax) is also really good, not as popular.

I say Wynton at UNT once with Kenny Wheeler, both great musicians.
2003-03-05 06:25:22 PM  
This is a long shot, but have you heard of James Sellars, he recieved a Phd. from UNT in composition. He recieved undergrad from Juliard and masters from Boston Conservitory.
He wrights clasical stuff big pieces are

Go, and Don't stop.
2003-03-05 06:26:07 PM  
Brandon's a lot funnier, much looser. Wynton's got that stick-up-his-butt rep. But anybody named Marsalis will kick your ass one way or another, including their dad.
2003-03-05 06:28:18 PM  
when did he go to school there?
2003-03-05 06:31:39 PM  
Long long ago. He just retired from teaching. Some people that are realy into music Know who he is...
The only reason I mention it is, he has done a piece with the artist David Hockney, that has not been released yet but it is the coolest thing I have Seen/Heard It's Hockney's Art, in a book and you follow the book along as the piece plays.
If you know who hockney is or sellars is, this might seem intresting.
2003-03-05 06:35:33 PM  
Sellars sounds familiar, but I'm not sure. I don't follow the classical stuff as much of the jazz stuff. I do know who David Hockney is. I've got a copy of The Bigger Splash at home, cool picture.
2003-03-05 06:38:53 PM  
If your intrested check out
when it gets ready this sight will have a flash version of the project it's called "Haplomatics"
2003-03-05 06:44:16 PM  
If you hate country music, then you are not qualified to talk about feelings and emotions in music...
2003-03-05 06:45:45 PM  
That is an intresting thought.
2003-03-05 06:52:56 PM  

I guess Ella Fitzgerald never sang with emotion and feeling?

last time I checked Ella wasn't country....
2003-03-05 06:58:28 PM  
No polk, only Garth, and Kid Rock's slower stuff.
2003-03-05 07:01:07 PM  
Actually I kinda like Garth. His music has a lot of personality, can't stand some of his stuff though.
2003-03-05 07:01:56 PM  
Did he do that "...and they call the thing a rodeo-o-o-o" song?
2003-03-05 07:04:41 PM  
yeah, that was one of his earlier songs, maybe his third album.
2003-03-05 07:04:47 PM  

Fair Enough. Just seems to be alot of faceless critics around here. Sort of like "my dad used to like them, they must suck". Generalising I guess.
I'm more of a Hangdogs fan anyway these days anyway.

BTW Down Under does not necessarily mean Australia. I am in fact from New Zealand, however agree about AC/DC and Nice Cave.
2003-03-05 07:06:01 PM  
I like his Dr. Pepper song
2003-03-05 07:15:13 PM  
You can't express how you feel unless you have a vocabulary to express it with.

But I digress.

I can't imagine how anyone could not like the Eagles unless they're one of those backwards people who think that crappy musicians are the best. I have sheet music to every single Eagles song and I regularly study them and learn new things all the time.

They just have such a wide variety of good songs. I didn't care much for The Long Run though. Timothy B. Schmidt is competent enough, but Randy Meisner was magic.

As for Don Felder, he got screwed. Don Henley is an ass, which I think we've all seen in the MP3 wars. Don Felder wrote Hotel California in its entirety. ALl the way down to the guitar harmonies. The only thing they changed from his demo is the key (moved it from Em to Bm).

Although I'l miss Felder, I'll definitely go to this tour. I've always managed to miss them in concert but from what I've heard, they rule live. Their solo stuff sucked (except for Walsh) and they really go off when they do his stuff as a group.
2003-03-05 07:22:55 PM  
"I can't imagine how anyone could not like the Eagles unless ..."

Oh ye of little imagination.
2003-03-05 07:23:40 PM  
Vocabulary to express it with, right. you need words to express fealing, music has no ability to do that with out voice acopanyment.
2003-03-05 07:41:51 PM  
PolkManiac- Well, first of all, I never said anything about Garbage, so I don't know where you got that from. And just because a drummer can do "sixtuplet rudiments at 180 in 4/4" doesn't mean he performs good songs. I'm not doubting his talent, I'm doubting the quality of their music. Plus, listen to "Beer" by RBF, really listen to it. There's so many layers to that song, it's great. One of my fav songs. And I don't understand: "you honestly belive they don't produce good music is simply false". I don't like their music. In my view it's bad. Meaning I honestly believe they don't make good music. That is true. That is my opinion, and that can't be false. And for pure curiosity, I'd like to know why you seem to think Offspring has bad music.

And I know I generalize about Texans, but I do it because 9/10 of the time it's true. Though I'm sure there are exceptions (such as DrBenway)
2003-03-05 07:54:26 PM  

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President Henley?

2003-03-05 07:57:39 PM  
BranFORD Marsalis. Not, "Brandon."

I agree, much less uptight than his brother.

I saw the Winton Marsalis Quartet open for Dizzy Gillespie and the United Nations Orchestra. Diz blew the place away (at 70-something). I miss that man.
2003-03-05 08:12:50 PM  
Sven you beat me to it!
2003-03-05 08:24:19 PM  
BranFORD Marsalis. Not, "Brandon."

doh! right you are, Carlb. I blame Polkaboy. Yes, it's all his fault. He did it first. MOM!

Speaking of guilt, I think Wynton may get a lot of the blame for how disappointing Ken Burns' Jazz series was, what I saw of it. There was some truly great archival footage, certainly, but as a whole, it could've been a heck of a lot livelier. Plus, it didn't have any Eagles clips...

just kidding about the Eagles. But it would've been cool if they'd had footage of Albert Ayler jamming with Henry Vestine...
2003-03-05 08:45:32 PM  
Eagles reunite once more, mass sucide of music fans world over ensues.
2003-03-05 08:56:21 PM  
Eagles = Southern California Mustache Rock.
2003-03-05 08:59:51 PM  
If I went it would only be because of

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Showin my 70s midwest rocker roots there, here's one for "The Bomber"

The rest of the Eagles are just Walsh's back up band.
2003-03-05 09:04:41 PM  

You can't imagine someone not liking the Eagles? Jesus.

There are 50,000 musicians out there who are very talented, write great songwriterly songs and still suck ass.

In may people's opinions (mine included), the Eagles were a weak-kneed, namby-pamby pack of session fairies who should have stayed a back up band. This does not include the Mighty Joe Walsh, of course.

I feel that throughout their recodings and the lousy shows of theirs that I've seen that there is a contrived sincerity that is paper thin and cynical at heart. They are more of a Vegas cover band than anything else to me. Competant, polished, no reality.

If you want to hear a great back up band that did good, go get Songs from Big Pink by The Band. Heap big good.

Now, this is only my opinion, and like assholes everyone's got one, but can you imagine that I don't like them now? C'mon, just try.
2003-03-05 09:06:56 PM  
On a side note, I am happy to report that the mods still have inexpilcably not added an asshole filter.

Thanks, Mods! Gotta love free speech!!
2003-03-05 09:09:39 PM  
03-05-03 08:56:21 PM StunningStu
Eagles = Southern California Mustache Rock.

Ahhh, yes the much-maligned SCuMmeR movement of the mid 70's.

A nasty time in history, for sure!
2003-03-05 09:23:14 PM  
Sorry Tadpole, the song "Hotel California" has nothing to do with The Church Of Satan, or anything satanic. It's about how it felt to live in Southern California after the Sixties were well and truely over. If you know California, you understand this song. If you don't, I'm not going to write twenty pages of explaination here and now.

FYI: "Colitas" refer to the little buds that grow at the tip of the branch, the best part.
2003-03-05 09:42:22 PM  
damn I wish I could go see one of their concerts...Too bad theres not a chance in hell of them coming to Edmonton.
2003-03-05 09:47:41 PM  
To quote a teacher of mine re: the Eagles.

"I wouldn't see them for free and if they were playing in my front yard."
2003-03-05 10:16:21 PM  
There are three types of people:
1)Those who can count
2)Those who can't
2003-03-05 10:19:27 PM  
Pdeckard, no, I certainly do not believe that was the case of the 70s in general. Any decade that can produce the first seven Elton John albums AND Neu! has a lot going for it.

But there were many, many, MANY icky things about the 70s. All of which can be explained by one simple word...
2003-03-05 10:34:00 PM  
Did anybody follow the link to their website? It costs $60 to join their fan club. Nice to see they have their priorities in order. I can go see Cowboy Mouth live at a smaller venue, be completely blown away, hang out with them after the show, and go home totally exhausted, hoarse, and deaf from screaming, jumping, and singing along four times for the same price of a membership in the Eagles fan club. Thank you, I'll pass.
2003-03-05 10:36:03 PM  
"Hotel California" was originally done in Em??

Huh! I can actually hear that transposition that in my mind's ear.
It sounds different. Richer.

I'll have to go look that track up.
2003-03-05 10:56:50 PM  
E minor. It's the same chord shapes only minus the capo on the seventh fret. Felder said he freaked out when they did that because all the rich tone from the open chords sounded really tinny and thin in Bm. It took a lot of EQ to fix that.
2003-03-05 11:04:27 PM  
Sorry, I tried with Dave Matthews, I really did. All I heard was car commercials. And really arrogant people (that last part could well be personal memories, however.)

It just sounds like faux-angst to me. the whole "Oooh, I'm a sensitive artist and I can play really well" kind of thing. And, sorry, technical ability means less than nothing if you have nothing to say (see Tarkus ref above. Those guys could really play. They could also really suck. BTW, I listened to it a few weeks's WORSE than I remembered, which I would have thought impossible.)

As a great man once said, It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. And, IMHO, the Dave Matthews Band has all the swing of Henry Kissinger. The unbridled fury of Barry Manilow. The uncut funk of...

OK, I'll stop now. Point is, DMB represent (to me) the all flash/no substance side of music which masquerades as substance by being vaguely melancholy and sonically over-busy. Some people hear music. I hear the inside of a Starbucks. They ain't no Porcupine Tree, that's for darn tootin' (btw, if you have no idea who Porcupine Tree are, pick up Lightbulb Sun. Dammit, THAT'S well done, complex music, people.)

Gah. I have to go listen to a Naked City CD now to get the taste out of my mouth.

(BTW, I'd still take DMB over the Eagles. Barely.)
2003-03-05 11:06:29 PM  
Yah I can imagine. I grok E minor, bigtime.
2003-03-05 11:21:52 PM  
As sad as it is, we actually spent awhile analyzing the lyrics to Hotel California in English class last year. Apparently, it's actually supposed to refer to the commercialisation of music and the growing trend toward pop music. "Steely knives" is supposed to represent Steely Dan, or real music (Yeah!). 1969 would be a reference to Woodstock. And so forth. Makes good sense to me.

For what it's worth, the Eagles are beyond overrated, but I do enjoy hearing some of their easier stuff just for the relaxing nature of it (Tequila Sunrise, Lyin' Eyes, King of Hollywood, My Man, New Kid in Town, etc.).

Oh yeah, and Henley is one of the worst rock drummers ever.
2003-03-05 11:27:41 PM  
The original version that threw me for the biggest loop was the "Venus" cover by Bananarama. It was a very slow and deliberate blues song.
2003-03-05 11:36:24 PM  
whoa...and this whole time, I thought "Hotel California" was about cocaine addiction...

Fark has shown me the TRUTH! THANKS, FARK!
2003-03-06 12:07:25 AM  
I still maintain that the song does not relate any specific thematic subject. It relates a feeling by using imagry found in everyday late Seventies - early Eighties California life, and transforms those images into a bad acid trip at the line "we are all just prisoners here". It's about California ennui. A type found nowhere else, thank god.

Trust me, I lived in the source of this song for years.
2003-03-06 12:56:08 AM  
Polk Maniac
I guess Ella Fitzgerald never sang with emotion and feeling?

last time I checked Ella wasn't country....

I'm not saying that at all. I'm just sayin' that you can't categorically dismiss any genre of music, i.e. country, opera, rap etc.

There is always some redeeming quality to be found in any genre of music, especially one as steeped in the expression of tough times as country.

Kenny G can't express shiat...that's why he sucks. That's exactly why he's not Miles Davis or Sonny Rollins or Wayne Shorter...he is souless...yea, he can play fine, but he has no passion. No "fark all" reason-to-play and that, to a lesser extent, is also how I feel about DMB and the Eagles (Joe Walsh excluded). Also, please don't get me wrong here and don't take offense, I would never lump the Eagles and DMB in a category with someone as wretched and wrong as Kenny G. It's just that after hearing people like Otis Redding, Fugazi and Emmy Lou Harris wrench every possible ounce of passion and excitement out of the notes they sing, bands like The Eagles and DMB just don't cut it for me. Technique lost, in the end, for me. It's not that they're bad...but, to me, it's just watered down, I guess...that's all I really have to say about it. Take care and have fun with your music studies!! I know I had a good time for the time I was there...
2003-03-06 09:01:21 AM  
Frey, Walsh, and Henley all do solo tunes during the concerts... Frey did "You Belong to the City" which may seem extremely bad in theory... but it was totally cool live.
2003-03-07 12:16:13 AM  
At least it's not another I'd-rather-be-in-federal-pound-me-in-the-ass-prison Barbra Strisand farwell concerts.
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