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2009-08-19 04:24:36 PM  
Good God, Davy Croquette is putting on a superb show. Take notes, everyone, that's how it's done.
 
2009-08-19 04:33:52 PM  

theorellior: Good God, Davy Croquette is putting on a superb show. Take notes, everyone, that's how it's done.


Yeah, that he is. Yes, I am bored this afternoon. Why do you ask?
 
2009-08-19 04:44:14 PM  

theorellior: Good God, Davy Croquette is putting on a superb show. Take notes, everyone, that's how it's done.


He shouldn't get too full of himself, though. I, for one, don't care whether he really believes that nonsense.

However, the converse of Poe's Law says that there are people who do. If nothing else I want to smack them down by proxy.
 
2009-08-19 04:50:11 PM  
How in the world is the death of six million Jews irrelevant? Unless your point is merely that Hitler didn't like Catholics and he didn't like Jews and therefore Catholics and Jews are the same...

Because my premise, that Hitler despised Catholics and Jews equally is supported by Hitler's words.

That Hitler killed more Jews than Catholics is circumstantial evidence that he may have hated Jews more than Catholics but there are many, many other explanations why more Jews were killed.

Since we have no reason to believe Hitler was lying when he said he disliked Jews and Catholics equally we can take them as prima facie fact.
 
2009-08-19 04:51:43 PM  

Davey Croquette: How in the world is the death of six million Jews irrelevant? Unless your point is merely that Hitler didn't like Catholics and he didn't like Jews and therefore Catholics and Jews are the same...

Because my premise, that Hitler despised Catholics and Jews equally is supported by Hitler's words.

That Hitler killed more Jews than Catholics is circumstantial evidence that he may have hated Jews more than Catholics but there are many, many other explanations why more Jews were killed.

Since we have no reason to believe Hitler was lying when he said he disliked Jews and Catholics equally we can take them as prima facie fact.



I don't think that is true. He hated alot of groups but none as much as the Jews. I admit, partly because it a means to an end for him.
 
2009-08-19 04:54:18 PM  
Fairly hard to substantiate that claim if you haven't read both? Where would your opinions of the latter be coming from

I don't have to read an entire book to know it's nothing but rhetoric and family trivia.

And it's written to appeal to children so I can't elevate it to scholarly status.

I know you guys have a lower intellectual threshold. After all, you people thought Obama's campaign web-page had details when it was simply lengthy rhetoric.
 
2009-08-19 05:00:57 PM  
Wow. It's damn refreshing to finally see a politician call these farking retards what they are.

Obama, I hope you're taking notes. You don't have to indulge these idiots. You don't have to compromise with them. You don't have to pretend that you understand their concerns. They are farking idiots who really don't give a shiat about healthcare at all. They've been chomping at the bit to go after you since January and will jump on whatever comes their way, as long as they think it's from you. The whole Birther thing has proven to be a dead end for them so they are moving on to healthcare. That's it.

To be fair, there are valid criticisms of the reforms, but if all we are getting is Nazi comparisons, bullshiat "death panels," and lies about Obama wanting to kill your granny, then fark THEM. They aren't worth the toilet paper that wiped them off of Rush Limbaigh's ass.

Shove these reforms down their farking throats while you still have some political capital left. Sadly, thanks to the gullibility and general ignorance of the American public, it may already be too late.
 
2009-08-19 05:06:10 PM  

indylaw: Hitler was always fond of Bavaria, a state in Germany which was largely Catholic, and while he may not have been fond of the Catholic Church and its theology, there was no inherent Catholic race pollution in his theories. A Catholic could forsake the Church and become a "good German." A Jew was just a Jew.


Yep. My mom is from Bavaria, grew up right smack in the middle of WWII, and like her whole family Catholic. My Oma never was sent to a concentration camp but she was awarded the "Mother's Cross" for having seven kids. This award was instituted on December 16, 1938 as part of Hitler's initiative to encourage Aryan population growth, and so only women with pure Aryan families could achieve such awards. (new window) My Oma, a Catholic, sure was Aryan enough to get a "Mother's Cross". I wonder how many Jewish mothers got the "Mother's Cross"?

To compare the plight of the Catholics to that of the jews in Germany durring WWII is intellectually dishonest at its best and total asshat stupidity at its worse. I don't know which you fall under but you are dead wrong on this one dude.
 
2009-08-19 05:08:36 PM  

heavymetal: To compare the plight of the Catholics to that of the jews in Germany durring WWII is intellectually dishonest at its best and total asshat stupidity at its worse. I don't know which you fall under but you are dead wrong on this one dude.


Referring to Davey Croquette and not you indylaw about being dead wrong. Sorry about that.
 
2009-08-19 05:11:54 PM  
Amusing is right...

Because this would be called a 'meltdown on camera' if a Republican had done it.
 
2009-08-19 05:21:04 PM  

randomjsa: Amusing is right...

Because this would be called a 'meltdown on camera' if a Republican had done it.


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2009-08-19 05:23:07 PM  
I regret responding to a comment that was from earlier, because it put my comment in the way of the glorious beating that Davey Croquette is taking. This thread has turned a Legendary "OH SNAP!" thread of people getting told. I realized that when I was trying to decide which great comment to include in my profile of people getting shut down, and came to a conclusion that there were too many.

I don't even care if he's just a troll putting in some extra effort before he clocks out for the day. I'm thoroughly enjoying this new conversation because:

A) I get to see some first rate debate ass kicking.

B) I get to learn about a significant event in history from some real life world views.

C) I get to see people from all walks of life coming together in recognizing a dumb-ass for what he is, and reacting together.

It's something special that no one has defended Davey yet. Though that just means he's too inexperienced yet to make multiple accounts.
 
2009-08-19 05:27:57 PM  

Davey Croquette: Because my premise, that Hitler despised Catholics and Jews equally is supported by Hitler's words.


Except when it isn't. In a memo from his office to the Papal Nuncio to the Reich in June of 1942, Hitler said "Although the Concordat [of 1933] is outdated at many points, the Führer considers it to be officially in force."

This is, of course, six months after they came up with the "Final Solution" and started wholesale massacres of the Jews. The sum and substance of the Concordat between the Reich and the Vatican is a cordial (hence the word) working relationship designed to allow Catholic Bishops to lend support to the Reich.

German Catholics under Hitler were never prevented from attending Mass nor were they persecuted to any extent. Their Priests and Bishops were farked with quite a lot but mostly not exterminated.

So he may have said in the 1920s that he hated Catholics but by the 30s he was repeatedly publicly assuring them that the Reich was cool with them. Later, the official policy of the Reich was live-and-let-live so long as the Church in Germany didn't openly object to the Nazis' other policies.
 
2009-08-19 05:31:31 PM  

theorellior: Good God, Davy Croquette is putting on a superb show. Take notes, everyone, that's how it's done.


Problem is, even if he is trolling, a lot of his rhetoric - including what I interpret as a bit of Third Reich-fandom ("barely human" and "Mein Kampf was prescient")- is the same sort of stuff I hear from rightwingers around here every freaking day.
 
2009-08-19 05:38:34 PM  

superbeerchan: theorellior: Good God, Davy Croquette is putting on a superb show. Take notes, everyone, that's how it's done.

Problem is, even if he is trolling, a lot of his rhetoric - including what I interpret as a bit of Third Reich-fandom ("barely human" and "Mein Kampf was prescient")- is the same sort of stuff I hear from rightwingers around here every freaking day.


And even if he is trolling, there are people listening who will take it seriously. If no one was around to slap him about like a little girl as well as these guys have been doing, some people might have thought his words held some weight. And that's how a group of people become dumb as shiat.
 
2009-08-19 06:01:18 PM  
Has anyone made a joke about Frank obviously losing a lot of arguments with food? Or winning, I guess.

Franks and beans anyone?
 
2009-08-19 06:18:17 PM  

Benjamin the Rogue: I regret responding to a comment that was from earlier, because it put my comment in the way of the glorious beating that Davey Croquette is taking. This thread has turned a Legendary "OH SNAP!" thread of people getting told. I realized that when I was trying to decide which great comment to include in my profile of people getting shut down, and came to a conclusion that there were too many.

I don't even care if he's just a troll putting in some extra effort before he clocks out for the day. I'm thoroughly enjoying this new conversation because:

A) I get to see some first rate debate ass kicking.

B) I get to learn about a significant event in history from some real life world views.

C) I get to see people from all walks of life coming together in recognizing a dumb-ass for what he is, and reacting together.

It's something special that no one has defended Davey yet. Though that just means he's too inexperienced yet to make multiple accounts.


I've been enjoying it. Indylaw has laid down some remarkably informative posts.
 
2009-08-19 06:21:03 PM  

keylock71: randomjsa: Amusing is right...

Because this would be called a 'meltdown on camera' if a Republican had done it.


nope- the secretary of state was called out quite rightly on her snippy outburst... this is a very different case.
 
2009-08-19 06:28:44 PM  
Ok, bedtime for me. When I get back, I expect a two paragraph statement from Davey on how Obama is simultaneously channeling Hitler's and Stalin's ghosts, while being incompetently insignificant in the world's political landscape.

And RockIsDead's reply on his baby eating and Girl Scout raping shenanigans.
 
2009-08-19 06:49:03 PM  

Benjamin the Rogue: Ok, bedtime for me. When I get back, I expect a two paragraph statement from Davey on how Obama is simultaneously channeling Hitler's and Stalin's ghosts, while being incompetently insignificant in the world's political landscape.

And RockIsDead's reply on his baby eating and Girl Scout raping shenanigans.


Wow, you guys sure do obsess over stupid shiat. No wonder you can't get a healthcare bill through even though you control the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.
 
2009-08-19 06:50:26 PM  

RockIsDead:
Wow, you guys sure do obsess over stupid shiat. No wonder you can't get a healthcare bill through even though you control the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.


Not the judiciary, sorry.

Yet.
 
2009-08-19 06:52:58 PM  

RockIsDead: Benjamin the Rogue: Ok, bedtime for me. When I get back, I expect a two paragraph statement from Davey on how Obama is simultaneously channeling Hitler's and Stalin's ghosts, while being incompetently insignificant in the world's political landscape.

And RockIsDead's reply on his baby eating and Girl Scout raping shenanigans.

Wow, you guys sure do obsess over stupid shiat. No wonder you can't get a healthcare bill through even though you control the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.


The point. You have missed it.
 
2009-08-19 07:42:50 PM  

El Freak: RockIsDead: Benjamin the Rogue: Ok, bedtime for me. When I get back, I expect a two paragraph statement from Davey on how Obama is simultaneously channeling Hitler's and Stalin's ghosts, while being incompetently insignificant in the world's political landscape.

And RockIsDead's reply on his baby eating and Girl Scout raping shenanigans.

Wow, you guys sure do obsess over stupid shiat. No wonder you can't get a healthcare bill through even though you control the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.

The point. You have missed it.


No, you all made NO point.

Barney was unable and unwilling to answer sincere and meaningful and RELATIVE questions from his OWN constituents. He's a shimmy-shimmy-shake flim-flam con-man politician of the highest order.

Your stupid 'equivalence' crap was 12 year old idiotware.
 
2009-08-19 07:47:53 PM  

RockIsDead: Barney was unable and unwilling to answer sincere and meaningful and RELATIVE questions from his OWN constituents


When one of them asks one, I'm sure he'll answer it.
 
2009-08-19 07:50:03 PM  

RockIsDead: El Freak: RockIsDead: Benjamin the Rogue: Ok, bedtime for me. When I get back, I expect a two paragraph statement from Davey on how Obama is simultaneously channeling Hitler's and Stalin's ghosts, while being incompetently insignificant in the world's political landscape.

And RockIsDead's reply on his baby eating and Girl Scout raping shenanigans.

Wow, you guys sure do obsess over stupid shiat. No wonder you can't get a healthcare bill through even though you control the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.

The point. You have missed it.

No, you all made NO point.

Barney was unable and unwilling to answer sincere and meaningful and RELATIVE questions from his OWN constituents. He's a shimmy-shimmy-shake flim-flam con-man politician of the highest order.

Your stupid 'equivalence' crap was 12 year old idiotware.



BWAAAAHAHAHHAHA. Oh man, you and Davey Croquette need to go on the road together, because this is HILARIOUS.

Sincere, :snort:, meaningful, :chuckle:, and RELATIVE.

:GUFFAWS ENSUE:

Seriously, though. Did you even hear this lady's question?
 
2009-08-19 07:51:32 PM  

RockIsDead: El Freak: RockIsDead: Benjamin the Rogue: Ok, bedtime for me. When I get back, I expect a two paragraph statement from Davey on how Obama is simultaneously channeling Hitler's and Stalin's ghosts, while being incompetently insignificant in the world's political landscape.

And RockIsDead's reply on his baby eating and Girl Scout raping shenanigans.

Wow, you guys sure do obsess over stupid shiat. No wonder you can't get a healthcare bill through even though you control the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT.

The point. You have missed it.

No, you all made NO point.

Barney was unable and unwilling to answer sincere and meaningful and RELATIVE questions from his OWN constituents. He's a shimmy-shimmy-shake flim-flam con-man politician of the highest order.

Your stupid 'equivalence' crap was 12 year old idiotware.


Sorry, but "why do you support Nazi policies", when what is being proposed is nothing even REMOTELY close to what is being proposed is not a "sincere and meaningful" question. It's more insane bullshiat from a LaRouchebag. According to the LaRouchebags, whoever happens to be in power at the moment is Hitler.That dimwit deserved the response she got.

Anyway, today's the first time I've seen you here in a long time. Did your NYZooMan alt get banninated or something?
 
2009-08-19 07:54:30 PM  
Ugh, "when that is nothing even remotely close to..." yadayadayada.

Anyway, you're still dodging the question. Why do you support raping Girl Scouts? It's about as "sincere and relevant" a question as that dumbshiat asked, and I think we deserve an answer.
 
2009-08-19 08:02:16 PM  

Action Replay Nick: It's funny, because this is utterly ridiculous and Frank is entirely right to admonish this idiot. However, he is Barney Frank, so this will be conservative outrage number 1 first thing in the morning after Malkin or someone stays up all night twisting this into 2000 words so they can collect a paycheck this week.


But damn, why did it take this long for someone to tie on a pair of nads and say, "You are a psychotic dumbass, please STFU." Why have we put on a straight face and pretended that the psychos who claimed the Clintons murdered people, and that Obama is a foreign national, and death panels would be set up, might be nice people with a point for the last dozen or so years? If I thought Frank might be remotely interested in wimmen, I would get down on one arthritic knee and propose.
 
2009-08-19 08:14:28 PM  
I loved the look on that chick's face when she realized she'd been told. Priceless! She actually LOOKED like a dining room table for a second there.

But then, soon as Barney stopped for a breath she went right back into her Godwin schtick.

Not that it matters, but I'd have hit it. I've humped worse looking furniture.
 
2009-08-19 10:52:17 PM  

keylock71: I had to spend the whole day yesterday in NB District Court on jury duty....


Ya. The last time I served was in Taunton. Seven kids (with six lawyers) charged with b&e, basically caught in the yard of a house that there had been a party in. They couldn't establish any of the kids were actually in the house (and this was before CSI, dating it a bit), and they claimed they missed the party and were leaving. But, despite this preponderance of suck, we had to listen to all six lawyers chatter away forever. So even though we had a verdict in five minutes, since they had wasted so much time, we had to come back the next day to say so because it was too late in the day.

Stupid is a cash crop here in the South Coast....
 
2009-08-19 11:30:09 PM  

indylaw: It doesn't take a Ph.D. in European History to know that the Jews had had a horrible time in Europe for centuries - stolen from, exiled, forced to convert, murdered, walled off in ghettoes or hidden from sight in shiatty village reservations, and used as a scapegoat by any king who wanted to create a diversion.


you know if it was one isolated issue, I'd blame the aggressor. but if you knew someone that constantly got in trouble no matter where they lived, you'd start wondering maybe just maybe there is something wrong with the person and not their neighbors....
 
2009-08-20 12:12:28 AM  

trouzourt: indylaw: It doesn't take a Ph.D. in European History to know that the Jews had had a horrible time in Europe for centuries - stolen from, exiled, forced to convert, murdered, walled off in ghettoes or hidden from sight in shiatty village reservations, and used as a scapegoat by any king who wanted to create a diversion.

you know if it was one isolated issue, I'd blame the aggressor. but if you knew someone that constantly got in trouble no matter where they lived, you'd start wondering maybe just maybe there is something wrong with the person and not their neighbors....


Tell you what. By my clock, it's Thursday, and Thursday is indylaw's Be Kind to Retards Day, so I'm going to give you a chance to explain yourself before I tear you a new rhetorical asshole. What can I say? I'm a giving person.

I have two questions for you, and please, feel free to answer them honestly. The first is in direct relation to your statement:

1. What is it, precisely, that the Jews, as a people, did to warrant theft, apartheid, rape, murder and exile in the various nations of Christendom? And is it a defect of culture or genetics? Enlighten me.

The second is more for my own academic curiosity:

2. Do you believe that the Holocaust happened, or is a hoax?
 
2009-08-20 01:04:10 AM  
Davey Croquette Fairly hard to substantiate that claim if you haven't read both? Where would your opinions of the latter be coming from

I don't have to read an entire book to know it's nothing but rhetoric and family trivia.

And it's written to appeal to children so I can't elevate it to scholarly status.

I know you guys have a lower intellectual threshold. After all, you people thought Obama's campaign web-page had details when it was simply lengthy rhetoric


That's a good amount of assumptions you are making not only about what is in it but also about all who have read it.
However, you are right. Audacity is not scholarly material by any means, bios or even autobios rarely are. Considering Mein was not actually written directly by Hitler (who was an admittedly horrible writer), it is a wonder it as highly regarded as it is by anyone.
 
2009-08-20 01:15:01 AM  

randomjsa: Amusing is right...

Because this would be called a 'meltdown on camera' if a Republican had done it.


Yup. Those evil liberal media types just love to assassinate the characters of good, conservative, god-fearing Republicans like Howard Dean, don't they?
 
2009-08-20 08:58:33 AM  
Seriously.. will someone from his district tell us all.... Why the fark do you keep re-electing that sack of syphilitic shiat?
 
2009-08-20 10:35:32 AM  

Xerxes99: Seriously.. will someone from his district tell us all.... Why the fark do you keep re-electing that sack of syphilitic shiat?


Because he gets shiat done for his constituents... and all politics are local.

Your childish insults aside, Frank stays involved with his constituents and while you may disagree with him (and I do on certain issues), he is a smart man, who doesn't mind telling you what he thinks... Something that folks around here can appreciate.

Like I stated above, calling this woman on her obvious bullshiat and his continued support of my city's fight against an proposed LNG terminal in a residential area are why he got my vote last election and will continue to get my vote.

Honestly, since you're not a constituent, your opinion of him means next to nothing to me... no offense meant.
 
2009-08-20 05:55:29 PM  

Xerxes99: Seriously.. will someone from his district tell us all.... Why the fark do you keep re-electing that sack of syphilitic shiat?


So you've been told.
 
2009-08-20 07:34:04 PM  

indylaw: 1. What is it, precisely, that the Jews, as a people, did to warrant theft, apartheid, rape, murder and exile in the various nations of Christendom? And is it a defect of culture or genetics? Enlighten me.

The second is more for my own academic curiosity:

2. Do you believe that the Holocaust happened, or is a hoax?


to answer 2) yes i think it happened.. whats is your point ?

as for question number 1) im not sure why not ask all the people that found it justifiable to rape, murder, kill and etc etc etc...

im going to go head and say culture.. genetics has nothing to do with the situation. a serial rapist COULD have a child that becomes a useful and productive member of the society .

and I dont believe stupidityreligion is transferred genetically:

for example :" The official reason given for driving out the Jews was that they encouraged the Marranos to persist in their Jewishness and thus would not allow them to become good Christians."
reason cited for Their Expulsion from Spain, 1492 CE

"On top of the general Christian suspicion of Jews at the time, when the thousands of French members of the People's Crusade arrived at the Rhine, they had run out of provisions.[7] To restock their supplies, they began to plunder Jewish food and property while attempting to force them to convert to Christianity.[7]"

replaces jews in above citations with blacks, muslims, chinese or any other group that in general while meeting White people for the first time were treated like animals or lesser beings and you pretty much have most of the recorded history....

Now let me ask you this,

do you see any other religious group of people treating anyone else unfairly because of what has happened in the past ?
NOT religious excuses
, but history as a reason to do what they do now ?
 
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