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2009-08-19 02:27:03 PM
I highly suggest you educate yourself about this time in history.


Okay, so since you're (maybe) Jewish you have a better insight into Hitler's mind than I do.

Okay. Gotcha.

YOUR MY PROBLEM farkFACE.

Why? We agree with each other. You just got all snippy because you made a false assumption about my motives.
 
2009-08-19 02:30:36 PM
FlashHarry: Not An Alt: I Said: Chapter 72, paragraph 149

whatever, you think the book is that big? I would guess it's 30 pages max, with illustrations on each page.

i would have thought it was a flash card with two bullets:

• tax cuts!
• deregulation!


You forgot tort reform!

Step 1: Tax cuts
Step 2: Tort reform
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit!

/summed up the GOP plan in 4 simple steps
 
2009-08-19 02:31:08 PM
Davey Croquette: As a Jew,

Why can't Jews resist telling everyone they're Jewish?

I'm Catholic. Who farking cares? Hitler hated Catholics and Jews equally. He just knew the Catholics would be harder to round up so he started with the Jews. Blacks and cripples were after that. Then it was re-gifters.


Yeah, right. The history of the Third Reich is replete with stories of government officials raiding parishes in Bavaria, making lists of all known Catholics, rounding up Catholics into terrible ghettoes before shipping them off in boxcars by the millions to labor camps, never to be heard from or seen again. And who can forget Goebbels's famous propaganda pieces on The Papist Menace, reminding good Germans that the Mary-worshippers were lurking just around the corner speaking in Latin and eating fish on Fridays.

Yes, there were other minorities and oppressed groups who died as a result of Nazi racial and ideological purity policies. No, the Catholics were not among them. While the Third Reich was decidedly cruel toward many people who were not Jews, and not exactly fond or solicitous of German Catholics, the persecution of Jews in the Third Reich was one of the more disturbing aspects of the regime, and will probably be their legacy for eternity.

It doesn't take a Ph.D. in European History to know that the Jews had had a horrible time in Europe for centuries - stolen from, exiled, forced to convert, murdered, walled off in ghettoes or hidden from sight in shiatty village reservations, and used as a scapegoat by any king who wanted to create a diversion.

The shocking thing about Nazi anti-semitism and why that story is the most powerful is that in the years leading up to the Third Reich, Germany was probably the "safest" place to be a Jew in the Western World. Jews were allowed to study in universities, pursue careers in professions generally closed to them, own property and live among the general population, and not be reminded every day that they were outsiders. Late 20's Berlin was much like modern New York. Germany was a relatively tolerant, progressive, inclusive society that valued education, the arts, and other democratic values.

And then in the midst of political and economic turmoil, the country lost its collective mind and put its trust in a charismatic racist and his band of thugs, who not only revisited the hatreds of the past, but pursued racist ends through a terrifying level of organization and technology. Rather than a pogrom here, a Kristallnacht there, he used the economic and technological might of Germany to create a massive infrastructure of death factories, erasing half of Europe's Jewish population in less than a decade.

Were there horrible Nazi policies toward Communists, homosexuals, blacks, and the mentally ill. Absolutely. But they were not pursued with the insane fervor with which the Nazis pursued the goal of Jewish extermination.

And that's what people typically think of when the spectre of Hitler is raised in the early 21st century. 'Hitler' or 'Nazi' are shorthand for those who appeal to modern society's basest instincts and wish to murder people by the millions for the crime of being born. It's a conversation-stopper, and its use in a context other than genocide and bigotry is and ought to be offensive to all people. It is particularly offensive to the Jews, because it trivializes the systematic extermination of entire peoples.

To refer to a policy of health care reform as a "Nazi" policy simply because you don't like it is categorically insane, adds nothing to the conversation, and trivializes the Holocaust.

And yes, the Jews take it personally. Many of us have relatives who died in the camps. Many of us know survivors who suffered hell on earth. How many Catholics can say that? (Certainly not Benedict XVI...)

/first they came for the re-gifters?
 
2009-08-19 02:34:38 PM
Davey Croquette: I highly suggest you educate yourself about this time in history.


Okay, so since you're (maybe) Jewish you have a better insight into Hitler's mind than I do.

Okay. Gotcha.


Right. That's exactly what I said. Except no wait, it wasn't, not once. Is your reading comprehension really this bad? The reason I stated my ethnicity is, because like Congresman Barney Frank, it influences how I feel about people using Hitler's name and visage to disparage political opponents. But you're right, all us Juden have telepathic insight into Hitler's mind. Shh, don't tell anyone.

YOUR MY PROBLEM farkFACE.

Why? We agree with each other. You just got all snippy because you made a false assumption about my motives.

I suppose I was wrong to infer motives based on what was communicated instead of what was thought, which I should've known anyway because of the aforementioned Jewish telepathy. We also have horns, you know.

Your motives, as communicated in your 'conversation' with me, seems to be that Jews shouldn't talk about how being Jews affects the way they feel about hearing Hitler's name used as a rhetorical device to demonize political opposition, because lol Hitler was a self-hating Catholic?

Or has my telepathy failed to divine your oh-so-pure motives?

You're fun. I like you.
 
2009-08-19 02:39:28 PM
(psst! Davey, stay down! You got smacked and rightly so.)


/Catholic
 
2009-08-19 02:39:54 PM
indylaw: smart stuff

Whee! A thoughtful, intelligent, and erudite response!

Thank you for your excellent breakdown on the complexities of the situation.

/secret Jew handshake!
 
2009-08-19 02:40:33 PM
I'm loving this. A group of citizens shouting absurd claims to elected officials and comparing President Obama to Hitler when we all know he really isn't..and anyone comparing a sitting president to a dictator who wanted nothing but to extinguish Jews and conquer the world..
Reminds me of..oh yeah...this:

Point: Dumbasses sit on eithre side of the political fence. Dems nor Republicans neither have an exclusive claim to the absurd. The only difference is which party now gets offended.
 
2009-08-19 02:43:02 PM
Since when is Wiald a Jewish name, anyway?
 
2009-08-19 02:43:30 PM
Davey Croquette: I highly suggest you educate yourself about this time in history.


Okay, so since you're (maybe) Jewish you have a better insight into Hitler's mind than I do.

Okay. Gotcha.

YOUR MY PROBLEM farkFACE.

Why? We agree with each other. You just got all snippy because you made a false assumption about my motives.


Dear Davey,

You are an idiot. Go kill yourself.

Best regards - Not jewish, but can pinpoint an idiot.
 
2009-08-19 02:44:32 PM
Davey Croquette: Since when is Wiald a Jewish name, anyway?

Right around the time YOU'RE MOM.

/Same level of discourse, no?
 
2009-08-19 02:47:10 PM
RavynWiald: indylaw: smart stuff

Whee! A thoughtful, intelligent, and erudite response!

Thank you for your excellent breakdown on the complexities of the situation.

/secret Jew handshake!


(ixnay on the Yid andshake-hay)
 
2009-08-19 02:47:39 PM
psst! Davey, stay down! You got smacked and rightly so

You're high. I made a post aimed at snagging reactionary religious types and BINGO!

The fact is Hitler, by his own words, disliked Catholics equally as Jews. Mein Kampf. Look for yourself.

It isn't uncommon for Jews to have avoided this book.

Bush probably didn't read the Obiography "Yo, I'm Black" or whatever Obama's autobiography is titled.
 
2009-08-19 02:51:08 PM
Not jewish,

Barely human, I'd guess.

I'm sorry Jews can't monopolize Nazi hate. The facts say otherwise. The Jews were just first on the list for logistical purposes not any greater hatred of them over the Catholics and blacks and disabled.

Sorry, Jews. But the Nazi's hated a lot of people.

Read his book. It's all in there. He didn't have any secrets about this.
 
2009-08-19 02:51:29 PM
Davey Croquette:
Bush probably didn't read the Obiography "Yo, I'm Black" or whatever Obama's autobiography is titled.


It's official. You're a moran. Did you really just compare "The Audacity of Hope" to "Mein Kampf"?
 
2009-08-19 02:52:53 PM
Davey Croquette: psst! Davey, stay down! You got smacked and rightly so

You're high. I made a post that went durrrr and more stuff that went daaahh.


So, you've studied Mein Kampf in depth is what you're saying?
And here I was earlier assuming you had no reading comprehension!
 
2009-08-19 02:53:37 PM
Davey Croquette: The fact is Hitler, by his own words, disliked Catholics equally as Jews. Mein Kampf. Look for yourself.

And when was Mein Kampf written in relationship to Hitler's rise to power again?

Idiot!!!
 
2009-08-19 02:56:44 PM
My god. My lovely little town made Fark twice in a week's time. We're moving up in the world!

\not a big fan of Frank, or this weird ass gerrymandered district
\\but still wouldn't go full tard on him like these tards did
 
2009-08-19 02:59:28 PM
my god, that is flawless. my hat is off to you barney.
 
2009-08-19 03:01:10 PM
Davey Croquette: Not jewish,

Barely human, I'd guess.

I'm sorry Jews can't monopolize Nazi hate. The facts say otherwise. The Jews were just first on the list for logistical purposes not any greater hatred of them over the Catholics and blacks and disabled.

Sorry, Jews. But the Nazi's hated a lot of people.

Read his book. It's all in there. He didn't have any secrets about this.


False. If you read Mein Kampf (have you?), it's clear that Hitler's hatred for the Jews is unique. He has an anecdote about how he had Jewish friends growing up and had not really considered the Jews to be inherently "un-German," until he saw some Hasidic Jews in Vienna with unusual clothing, unkempt beards, and peculiarly unGerman mannerisms. He then segues into an explanation about how all Jews, even the assimilated ones, are inherently alien to German society, and that the assimilated Jews are dangerous to Germany because despite their outwardly "normal" appearances, inside they're all genetically incompatible with Aryan values and their very existence, whether religious or not, threatens the strength of the German Volk.

Hitler was always fond of Bavaria, a state in Germany which was largely Catholic, and while he may not have been fond of the Catholic Church and its theology, there was no inherent Catholic race pollution in his theories. A Catholic could forsake the Church and become a "good German." A Jew was just a Jew.
 
2009-08-19 03:06:04 PM
Did you really just compare "The Audacity of Hope" to "Mein Kampf"?

It's no fun for me when you guys make it so easy, ya know.

And when was Mein Kampf written in relationship to Hitler's rise to power again?

And what difference does that make to my premise that Mein Kampf tells us that Hitler hated the Jews and Catholics equally?

Hitler told the entire world his philosophy on race in plenty of time for anyone to know. It was no secret and Hitler wasn't ashamed of it.
 
2009-08-19 03:09:06 PM
False. If you read Mein Kampf (have you?)

Yes. But not Obama's book. Obama's book isn't historically significant or a true insight into the author or even accurate.

Mein Kampf was prescient.

Obama's book is just rhetoric and unsubstantiated trivia.
 
2009-08-19 03:09:16 PM
hyperspacemonkey: Barney has a funky speech impediment. I never heard him speak before. What a fascinating little character. He's like a Disney movie henchman from The Sword in the Stone or The Black Cauldron.

All true, plus he's also got the nimblest wit I've ever seen. You do not want to verbally tangle with him unless you have some big brass neurons.

This guy is the love child of Dorothy Parker and Oscar Wilde.
 
2009-08-19 03:09:53 PM
Davey Croquette: durrrrr daaah doi doi bortle.

=D
 
2009-08-19 03:13:55 PM
It bears repeating, mostly because i don't have the patience to read the whole thread and search for it... but a gay man is defending a black man from cries of nazi-ism in a district that hasn't had a Republican representing them since Reagan was around.

Got all that? Good.
 
2009-08-19 03:13:59 PM
Davey Croquette: Did you really just compare "The Audacity of Hope" to "Mein Kampf"?

It's no fun for me when you guys make it so easy, ya know.

And when was Mein Kampf written in relationship to Hitler's rise to power again?

And what difference does that make to my premise that Mein Kampf tells us that Hitler hated the Jews and Catholics equally?

Hitler told the entire world his philosophy on race in plenty of time for anyone to know. It was no secret and Hitler wasn't ashamed of it.


Catholics are a race?
 
2009-08-19 03:14:14 PM
Davey Croquette: False. If you read Mein Kampf (have you?)

Yes. But not Obama's book. Obama's book isn't historically significant or a true insight into the author or even accurate.

Mein Kampf was prescient.

Obama's book is just rhetoric and unsubstantiated trivia.


You were the one comparing The Audacity of Hope to Mein Kampf, dude.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, other than to surmise that you are a self-hating Catholic with a persecution fetish, you masturbate to Mein Kampf, you really hate the Jews for having all the fun of being exterminated, and that you like to insert rodents into your small intestines.

Sure, the last part was a non-sequitur, but you started it with your "Obama is not at all like Hitler, and yet he is!" bullshiat.
 
2009-08-19 03:15:12 PM
FriarReb98:
\\but still wouldn't go full tard on him like these tards did


Dude, they were out in force yesterday... Lyndon LaRouche supporters were the ones handing out the Obama with a Hitler 'stache images. That's pretty much scraping the bottom of the retard barrel.

It was like Retard Day in SE Massachusetts yesterday... well, more so than every other day anyway.
 
2009-08-19 03:16:06 PM
Catholics are a race?

As much as Jews are, at least.
 
2009-08-19 03:18:24 PM
Davey Croquette: Mmm I love the taste of my foot.

Here, have a drink to wash it down.
 
2009-08-19 03:19:02 PM
Davey Croquette: I liek pie... rawr *ZAP*

Indeed.
 
2009-08-19 03:19:50 PM
Davey Croquette: And when was Mein Kampf written in relationship to Hitler's rise to power again?

And what difference does that make to my premise that Mein Kampf tells us that Hitler hated the Jews and Catholics equally?


Logically, your premise should be that Hitler hated Catholics and Jews equally at the time he wrote Mein Kampf. You have yet to establish that he never changed his mind, to say nothing of whether your reading of Mein Kampf is at all correct.

Certainly once the chips were down and it came time to implement policy your premise had ceased to be true.
 
2009-08-19 03:19:57 PM
keylock71: It was like Retard Day in SE Massachusetts yesterday... well, more so than every other day anyway.

El. Oh. El.

\and besides, there's all sorts of retards in the South Coast... just usually not this kind!
 
2009-08-19 03:22:36 PM
You were the one comparing The Audacity of Hope to Mein Kampf, dude.

No. If you read carefully I have a much higher opinion of Mein Kampf.

No comparison. Mein Kampf is a historically significant book everyone should read.

Obama's book is a empty rhetoric and family trivia that no one should read and expect to be smarter.
 
2009-08-19 03:25:30 PM
Davey Croquette: Mwa mwuhmwa mwuhmp.


Hey, at least your consistently stupid?
 
2009-08-19 03:27:26 PM
You have yet to establish that he never changed his mind, to say nothing of whether your reading of Mein Kampf is at all correct.

I have to establish he never changed his mind? Ha!

Okay. You're done, Beat it.

His written words say he disliked Jews and Catholics equally. This is the teaching of history whether you agree or not.

Catholics just haven't made a living off it...
 
2009-08-19 03:29:59 PM
Hey, at least your consistently stupid?

Ad hominem in the face of conflicting evidence after a goal post change (You have yet to establish that he never changed his mind) and I'M the stupid one?


I'm sorry if history doesn't square with your world view as a Jew but facts are facts.

By his own words, Hitler despised Catholics and Jews equally.
 
2009-08-19 03:30:48 PM
FriarReb98: keylock71: It was like Retard Day in SE Massachusetts yesterday... well, more so than every other day anyway.

El. Oh. El.

\and besides, there's all sorts of retards in the South Coast... just usually not this kind!


True... the usual retards around here aren't generally interested in politics unless it pertains to their welfare or disability checks.

I had to spend the whole day yesterday in NB District Court on jury duty. Got picked for a criminal case - unlawful discharge of a firearm within 500 ft of a dwelling in North Dartmouth. Two hours of testimony from some of the most inarticulate cops I've ever heard in my life (and that's big considering my exposure to cops is usually limited to the Fall River PD). The accused was also the husband of a Dartmouth cop... 'course the whole charge had to be dropped as the state failed to submit any evidence about the neighborhood (Alden Rd.) in order to establish that the firearm was indeed fired within 500 ft of a residence.

I love seeing my tax dollars at work... after that my retard tolerance had gone waaaayyyy down by the time I ran into the Lyndon LaRouche supporters.
 
2009-08-19 03:32:09 PM
Davey Croquette: You have yet to establish that he never changed his mind, to say nothing of whether your reading of Mein Kampf is at all correct.

I have to establish he never changed his mind? Ha!


I would say you do, given the teaching of history, which is that he knowingly presided over the mass murder of 6,000,000 jews and approximately 0 catholics.

Actions speak louder than words.
 
2009-08-19 03:32:24 PM
Davey Croquette: Really, really stupid and asinine things.

Hhaha, YOUR SO FUNNY. Man, your intellectual might staggers over us gnats and ants here at Fark.com. With your clever antisemitism and so totally awesome equivocating. Mmm. Just makes me want to put you on my favorites list!

Hahaha, so funny, and clever too!
 
2009-08-19 03:32:27 PM
Oh wait, I forgot about the long lost Hitler book entitled, "On Second Thought, Them Catholics are A-Okay!".
 
2009-08-19 03:37:16 PM
I would say you do, given the teaching of history, which is that he knowingly presided over the mass murder of 6,000,000 jews and approximately 0 catholics

Irrelevant.
 
2009-08-19 03:41:28 PM
Davey Croquette: I would say you do, given the teaching of history, which is that he knowingly presided over the mass murder of 6,000,000 jews and approximately 0 catholics

Irrelevant.




You get a real kick out of this, don't you?

"Ohboy, I've got them internets mad at me! Yay, someone's finally paying attention and affirming my existence!"

Man, you're a laughriot. A chuckle a minute. You should take your act on the road!
 
2009-08-19 03:43:52 PM
Davey Croquette: I would say you do, given the teaching of history, which is that he knowingly presided over the mass murder of 6,000,000 jews and approximately 0 catholics

Irrelevant.


Sure, if you have no critical thinking skills or any ability to man up and say "yeah, that was dumb and/or insensitive of me to say", I guess so.

What if he'd never written Mein Kampf? Would it still be "irrelevant" that he had millions of Jews exterminated? If not, what about having written Mein Kampf makes it irrelevant?
 
2009-08-19 03:47:13 PM
Rev. Creflo Baller: approximately 0 catholics

The Jesuits would like a word with you.
 
2009-08-19 03:48:42 PM
Davey Croquette: False. If you read Mein Kampf (have you?)

Yes. But not Obama's book. Obama's book isn't historically significant or a true insight into the author or even accurate.

Mein Kampf was prescient.

Obama's book is just rhetoric and unsubstantiated trivia


Fairly hard to substantiate that claim if you haven't read both? Where would your opinions of the latter be coming from?
 
2009-08-19 03:57:14 PM
Davey Croquette: I would say you do, given the teaching of history, which is that he knowingly presided over the mass murder of 6,000,000 jews and approximately 0 catholics

Irrelevant.


How in the world is the death of six million Jews irrelevant? Unless your point is merely that Hitler didn't like Catholics and he didn't like Jews and therefore Catholics and Jews are the same...

Well, I'd venture to say that you don't like Jews, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you've never killed any.
 
2009-08-19 04:10:39 PM
WhyteRaven74: Rev. Creflo Baller: approximately 0 catholics

The Jesuits would like a word with you.


About 4,000 Catholic priests were known to have been sent to the concentration camps. Given it's 4 orders of magnitude away from what happened to the Jews and was confined to Bishops and Priests, rather than regular church-goers, I'm going to stipulate "approximately 0" was an understatement but it's on a whole other scale from the Jewish holocaust.

Here's a link (new window) to the end of a decent text on the Nazis' relations to the Church.

/Numerous quotes in that text from Hitler and high Nazi officials that indicate his hatred of Catholics was nowhere in the same league as that for the Jews. He wanted to end Catholicism not exterminate Catholics in general. It's a little complicated by the fact that lots of Slavs, whom he intended to exterminate after consolidating power in Eastern Europe and once they were no longer needed as slaves, are Catholic.
 
2009-08-19 04:11:04 PM
AndreMA: El_Perro: Capitalist1: (quoting the loon): This is the T-4 policy of the Hitler, of the Hitler policy of 1939, where he said certain lives are not worth living, certain people we should not spend the money to keep them alive. . . .

Ironically, this is true every day already. Alcoholics are denied liver transplants routinely, Insurance companies refuse to cover heroic measures that stand little chance of doing more than prolonging life for weeks or months, parents sadly pull the plug on brain-dead children.

Is it worth spending hundreds of thousands in tax (or shareholder) dollars for a multiple organ transplant for a 90-year old man who is unlikely to live more than another 5 years no matter how good the surgical outcome?

Unpleasant choices need to be made sometimes. Medical resources are finite, and this has probably been happening since the time of Hippocrates.


So, you're in favor of Death Panels then? What's the hold up? Let's get this show on the road.

Oh wait, you where talking about our current Death Panel Program, the insurance companies. Never mind.
 
2009-08-19 04:14:42 PM
This was pretty funny. Good job, Bawney Fwank. The girl didn't look like she knew how to respond.
 
2009-08-19 04:22:35 PM
I never really liked Barney Frank. I do now.
 
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