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(Daily Kos)   Rep. Barney Frank to woman comparing Obama's health care policy to Nazis: Arguing with you is like having an argument with my dining room table. I am not interested   (dailykos.com) divider line 338
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2009-08-19 09:02:48 AM  
keylock71: With that little smack down and your continued support of Fall River's fight against Hess/Weaver's Cove Energy, you've secured my vote again.

Yes it sure is wonderful that we get to gaze upon the wreckage of the old Brightman Street Bridge for the rest of our lives, isn't it? =p
 
2009-08-19 09:04:07 AM  
Well, the Nazis did have a great health care package.
 
2009-08-19 09:05:18 AM  
Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the man who single handedly destroyed the housing markets all by himself.

Nice try Mr. Frank.
 
2009-08-19 09:06:53 AM  
Frank was too good to her.

The only thing he should have said to that crazy biatch is "next".
 
2009-08-19 09:07:14 AM  
Barney Frank is a Dictaker.
 
2009-08-19 09:07:43 AM  
I Said: Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the man who single handedly destroyed the housing markets all by himself.

Nice try Mr. Frank.


citation ?
 
2009-08-19 09:08:19 AM  
the_ut_tick: Two years ago:

Today, President Bush rode his lawn-mower out to the edge of his property and told Cindy Sheehan "Arguing with you is like arguing with his kitchen table, I am not interested."

OMG what a horrible man who is too stupid to debate what is an obviously illegal war (despite the fact that it was legally voted for)

Modern Day:

Today, Rep Barney Frank told a constituent asking a health care question calling the President a Nazi and insisting that facts about which he is open(his stance on single payer, not penis) are secrets; "Arguing with you is like arguing with his kitchen table, I am not interested."

OMG what a smart man, that was an obviously stupid question.


FTFY


Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

You're not saying it wasn't stupid because it was, and if you think these are the kind of people who need "proof" to play the victim card I got news for you.
 
2009-08-19 09:08:27 AM  
the_ut_tick: Two years ago:

Today, President Bush rode his lawn-mower out to the edge of his property and told Cindy Sheehan "Arguing with you is like arguing with his kitchen table, I am not interested."

OMG what a horrible man who is too stupid to debate what is an obviously illegal war (despite the fact that it was legally voted for)

Modern Day:

Today, Rep Barney Frank told a constituent asking a health care question; "Arguing with you is like arguing with his kitchen table, I am not interested."

OMG what a smart man, that was an obviously stupid question.


Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.


Of course the Big Difference is that Cindy Sheehan was asking a legitimate question We all wanted (and never got) an answer to :

What was the point of the Iraq war, for what cause did her son die?

If it was about WMDs then why wasn't it over the minute his own handpicked commission concluded that none existed?

If it was about deposing Saddam, then we should have started shipping the troops home after uday and Qusay were in bodybags and Saddam was caught in his spider hole?

If it was about bringing democracy to Iraq and poltically transforming the Middle East then why weren't we told that ahead of time when we could have had a geniunine national debate about whether it was approopriate to spend blood and treasure on that dubiously achievable objective?
 
2009-08-19 09:08:28 AM  
Bob16: Frank was too good to her.

The only thing he should have said to that crazy biatch is "next".


He should have given the speech from the end of Happy Gilmore:
"We are all stupider for having heard that"
 
2009-08-19 09:09:18 AM  
Bob16: I Said: Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the man who single handedly destroyed the housing markets all by himself.

Nice try Mr. Frank.

citation ?


It's from the book of "Retarded GOP Talking Points"

Chapter 72, paragraph 149
 
2009-08-19 09:09:45 AM  
keylock71: shivashakti: LaRouchers? Jesus Christ.. they're still around?

How do people continue to take that crap seriously?

Oh yeah, still around... the one's I saw in New Bedford yesterday were college age kids, too... So the Cult of LaRouch is still recruiting on campuses, I guess. It's like the Hari Krishnas with less brain cells.

But, yeah, how anyone takes them seriously is beyond me.


Ahh, college students and homeless people, the backbone of LaRouche's winning national strategy.
 
2009-08-19 09:09:55 AM  
I Said: Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the man who single handedly destroyed the housing markets all by himself.

Nice try Mr. Frank.


Single handedly? Florida, California and Arizona would like to talk to you about house flippers and bad banks.
 
2009-08-19 09:10:20 AM  
kuhns_m: Classic.

This woman got totally pwned. When he starts ripping her, the camera goes to her and she is like, "Oh man, what did I get myself into? Freedom works told me they were going to fold like a house of cards."

Democrats need to grow a pair or they will do what they always do, fold when it gets to tough.


What's funny is that now a gay man is more macho than the rest of the Democratic Congress.

These people are completely out of it. How do you think BARNEY FRANK would be a good target of those tactics? The only way someone would think "I can get one over on Rep. Frank" is if that person knows absolutely nothing about him.
 
2009-08-19 09:11:26 AM  
I Said: It's from the book of "Retarded GOP Talking Points"

Chapter 72, paragraph 149


Well you see the reason i didn't pick up on your sarcasm is we have cons here that are so nuts they actually say things like you said but they are serious about it.
 
2009-08-19 09:13:09 AM  
Bob16: Well you see the reason i didn't pick up on your sarcasm is we have cons here that are so nuts they actually say things like you said but they are serious about it.

I know. I need to be more obvious about it.

stuhayes2010: Single handedly? Florida, California and Arizona would like to talk to you about house flippers and bad banks.

Like I said, I need to be more clear about my sarcasm. As someone who worked in mortgages and spent every business tab thread during the downfall arguing against retarded GOP talking points, I agree.
 
2009-08-19 09:14:35 AM  
I Said: Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the man who single handedly destroyed the housing markets all by himself.

Nice try Mr. Frank.



Hold PHIL GRAMM's feet to that fire if you want any satisfaction.
And Phil Gramm was also behind the BCCI cocaine-money-laundering, the Savings & Loan Crisis, the energy deregulation schemes which allowed ENRON to hold America hostage for over a year, and so on... pretty much every major financial or deregulation scandal has had Phil Gramm's bloated smelly thumb deep at the core of it all from germination to full blossom horrorshow.

McCain guru linked to subprime crisis
By LISA LERER | 3/28/08 2:06 PM EDT

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9246.html (pops)

The general co-chairman of John McCain's presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to today's economic turmoil.

"A regulatory structure set up for banks in the 1930s needed to change because the nature of business had changed," the Illinois senator running for president said in a New York economic speech. "But by the time [it] was repealed in 1999, the $300 million lobbying effort that drove deregulation was more about facilitating mergers than creating an efficient regulatory framework."

Gramm's role in the swift and dramatic recent restructuring of the nation's investment houses and practices didn't stop there.

A year after the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the old regulations, Swiss Bank UBS gobbled up brokerage house Paine Weber. Two years later, Gramm settled in as a vice chairman of UBS's new investment banking arm.

Later, he became a major player in its government affairs operation. According to federal lobbying disclosure records, Gramm lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006.

During those years, the mortgage industry pressed Congress to roll back strong state rules that sought to stem the rise of predatory tactics used by lenders and brokers to place homeowners in high-cost mortgages.

For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS's American subsidiary. In the past year, UBS has written down more than $18 billion in exposure to subprime loans and other risky securities and is considering cutting as many as 8,000 jobs.
 
2009-08-19 09:16:11 AM  
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2009-08-19 09:17:35 AM  
I Said: Bob16: Well you see the reason i didn't pick up on your sarcasm is we have cons here that are so nuts they actually say things like you said but they are serious about it.

I know. I need to be more obvious about it.

stuhayes2010: Single handedly? Florida, California and Arizona would like to talk to you about house flippers and bad banks.

Like I said, I need to be more clear about my sarcasm. As someone who worked in mortgages and spent every business tab thread during the downfall arguing against retarded GOP talking points, I agree.


Yeah. Fark could use a sarcasm icon or special font to indicate sarcasm.
 
2009-08-19 09:18:09 AM  
Gridlock: For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS's American subsidiary.

But it was only a "mental" $750,000.
 
2009-08-19 09:24:31 AM  
If anyone is unable to watch the video, here is a transcript of the part referenced in the headline:

Q: Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy as Obama has expressly supported this policy; why are you supporting it?

Frank: When you ask me that question I'm going to revert to my ethnic heritage and answer your question with a question. On what planet do you spend most of your time?

You want me to answer the question? Yes. As you stand there with a picture of the President defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis, my answer to you is as I said before, it is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated. Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it.
 
2009-08-19 09:35:04 AM  
rufus-t-firefly: Oh my God.
soy_bomb just outed Barney Frank.
I'm stunned.


He is? Looked like he had a narrow stance there.
 
2009-08-19 09:35:46 AM  
thumpnugget: They are a very typical cult of personality, the LaRouchers, and it's awfully ironic they are invoking other cults of personality, specifically Hitler and the Nazis (and yah, certain populist aspects of Obama), in what they oppose. I'd draw some broad brush strokes here between this crazy lady and recent neocon tactics, but I wouldn't get very far since every reasonable conservative has disowned you-know-who and I'd just be back-baiting the underbridge dwellers.

The LaRouchers were out in force yesterday, canvassing on the streetcorners in a square near my house. Their signs said, "Give President Obama a Straitjacket". One fresh-faced young man with a good amount of hipster stubble asked me if I wanted to sign up. I said, "Haha, don't think so." Then I saw the name LaRouche on the signs, and immediately erupted in peals of derisive laughter.

I mean, WTF? Lyndon LaRouche was a joke back in 1986? What are they doing back?
 
2009-08-19 09:39:16 AM  
theorellior: thumpnugget: They are a very typical cult of personality, the LaRouchers, and it's awfully ironic they are invoking other cults of personality, specifically Hitler and the Nazis (and yah, certain populist aspects of Obama), in what they oppose. I'd draw some broad brush strokes here between this crazy lady and recent neocon tactics, but I wouldn't get very far since every reasonable conservative has disowned you-know-who and I'd just be back-baiting the underbridge dwellers.

The LaRouchers were out in force yesterday, canvassing on the streetcorners in a square near my house. Their signs said, "Give President Obama a Straitjacket". One fresh-faced young man with a good amount of hipster stubble asked me if I wanted to sign up. I said, "Haha, don't think so." Then I saw the name LaRouche on the signs, and immediately erupted in peals of derisive laughter.

I mean, WTF? Lyndon LaRouche was a joke back in 1986? What are they doing back?



Yeah,, those guys are nuts. Don't they believe the royal family of great britain are terrorists and drug dealers or some such nonsense?
 
2009-08-19 09:40:56 AM  
propasaurus: I anticipate some razor sharp gay and fat jokes.

I bet he uses a sharp razor to shave his balls, because his boyfriend likes that!

Also he uses a mirror to see what he's doing, because he's so fat.

Gay fat.
 
2009-08-19 09:42:06 AM  
rastjr
Yeah,, those guys are nuts. Don't they believe the royal family of great britain are terrorists and drug dealers or some such nonsense?

I remember LaRouchies leaving literature in the lobbies of college buildings way back when I was college, and that was practically the stone age. Well, the early 90's. I would've thought they'd all be dead or in nursing homes by now, are they somehow getting new recruits?
 
2009-08-19 09:42:17 AM  
He went too easy on her, but I like his sass.
 
2009-08-19 09:42:41 AM  
the_ut_tick: Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

Hey, the_ut_tick, do you feel your insurance should cover the costs of your snorting meth off the asses of Thai ladymen while wearing surgical scrubs?

It's a healthcare question, I expect an honest answer.
 
2009-08-19 09:43:07 AM  
theorellior: I mean, WTF? Lyndon LaRouche was a joke back in 1986? What are they doing back?

Haven't you heard? Batshiat insane is back in style like it's never been before!

Why, this afternoon I'm having my eyelids pierced and a hubcap bolted to my forehead, and then I'm going to shiat on random passersby from the trees!
 
2009-08-19 09:43:35 AM  
 
2009-08-19 09:45:30 AM  
I guess it's time to add Barney Frank to my personal heroes list. I think this is now what it has to come down to. You can't or won't discuss healthcare in a reasonable, mature and factual manner... fark you then, there are adult problems that need adult solutions.
 
2009-08-19 09:45:46 AM  
Crabs_Can_Polevault: Haven't you heard? Batshiat insane is back in style like it's never been before!

Seriously, you elect a black guy president, and white people everywhere go apeshiat.

Why, this afternoon I'm having my eyelids pierced and a hubcap bolted to my forehead, and then I'm going to shiat on random passersby from the trees!

Which Town Hall will this be at? Be sure to wear a tricorn hat, too.
 
2009-08-19 09:47:04 AM  
theorellior: Seriously, you elect a black guy president, and white people everywhere go apeshiat.

Imagine what would have happened if the president was completely black...
 
2009-08-19 09:49:08 AM  
Egalitarian: rastjr
Yeah,, those guys are nuts. Don't they believe the royal family of great britain are terrorists and drug dealers or some such nonsense?

I remember LaRouchies leaving literature in the lobbies of college buildings way back when I was college, and that was practically the stone age. Well, the early 90's. I would've thought they'd all be dead or in nursing homes by now, are they somehow getting new recruits?


I think he was in jail for tax evasion. Is the still alive?
 
2009-08-19 09:50:37 AM  
Kudos to him for calling it what it is....

The rhetoric of these people is beyond the pale, and they just don't get it. Her question leaned towards conspiracy crazy, but for the most part many (not everyone) on the right has fallen into the same trap.

This trap for the right is believing in the free market as an end unto itself. The theory of the free market (if I read my Adam Smith correctly) was centered on said free market as a means that would lead to an improved society as an end through competition. They seem to skip this and accept profligate corporate entities in the name of the free market with no concern for ethical obligations of stewardship, or social welfare (until it effects their own life).

/I see the LaRouche people up in Harvard Square from time to time... good for a kick
/If anyone has a better distilled view of laissez-faire market politic feel free to correct me
 
2009-08-19 09:52:21 AM  
theorellior: the_ut_tick: Obvious - the reason given by people who really can't come up with any actual reasons. Not to say that the question wasn't stupid, but he just gave them exactly what they wanted. Now they have "proof" that no one is listening to them.

Hey, the_ut_tick, do you feel your insurance should cover the costs of your snorting meth off the asses of Thai ladymen while wearing surgical scrubs?

It's a healthcare question, I expect an honest answer.


I don't think we should fully cover illegal drug related illness.

Treat them, them bill them as a cash account later.
 
2009-08-19 09:52:58 AM  
I Said: Chapter 72, paragraph 149

whatever, you think the book is that big? I would guess it's 30 pages max, with illustrations on each page.
 
2009-08-19 09:54:14 AM  
Capitalist1: Way to sidestep having to answer an uncomfortable question, there, Bahneh.

Are you denying you had sex with that dead goat on the alien spacecraft while Jim Morrison watched, masturbating? WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION PUT TO YOU?
 
2009-08-19 09:59:52 AM  
I love this man. If only more politicians had the balls to call out bullshiat with such panache.
 
2009-08-19 10:01:11 AM  
Not An Alt: I Said: Chapter 72, paragraph 149

whatever, you think the book is that big? I would guess it's 30 pages max, with illustrations on each page.


i would have thought it was a flash card with two bullets:

• tax cuts!
• deregulation!
 
2009-08-19 10:03:31 AM  
Rubberband Girl:
Okay, maybe not the most professional response he could've given, but sometimes you've gotta be frank with people just to get through to them.


Barney is always Frank with people.
 
2009-08-19 10:04:12 AM  
I realize that it's August, and most Americans aren't paying that close attention to this debate, etc. But there has to be a tipping point where the non-retarded segment of the general public suddenly realizes that this is too important to let vile, ignorant, batsh*t crazy people totally shape this debate. Right?
 
2009-08-19 10:04:48 AM  
We have a pretty crazy paranoid guy coming into work right now, who's also a jerk. I wish I could tell him talking to him is like trying to argue with a piece of furniture so GTFO! but that wouldn't be very nice.

We'll have to wait until he freaks out and causes a scene before he gets the perma-ban.
 
2009-08-19 10:08:00 AM  
Action Replay Nick: Malkin will turn this aspect of the 'outrage' into at least two paragraphs.

By the way, the Freepers are not amused.

Another awesome clip from the same meeting, and the one the Freepers are talking about.
 
2009-08-19 10:08:17 AM  
Frank is my hero on that one. the Truth is often the most painful, funny, thing of all.


Republican Furniture: get yours today! cheap!
 
2009-08-19 10:08:50 AM  
FlashHarry: i would have thought it was a flash card with two bullets:

• tax cuts!
• deregulation!


That was the flash card from 1975-1999, the updated ones are as follows:

• MUSLIN!
• LIBS!
• ACORN!
• SOCIALIST!
• HITLER!
• TAKE YER GUNS!
 
2009-08-19 10:10:13 AM  
\I Said: Bob16: Frank was too good to her.

The only thing he should have said to that crazy biatch is "next".

He should have given the speech from the end of Happy Gilmore:
"We are all stupider for having heard that"


I couldn't let this stand. It's from Billy Madison. Carry on.
 
2009-08-19 10:22:37 AM  
shonday: \I Said: Bob16: Frank was too good to her.

The only thing he should have said to that crazy biatch is "next".

He should have given the speech from the end of Happy Gilmore:
"We are all stupider for having heard that"

I couldn't let this stand. It's from Billy Madison. Carry on.


OMG! I love Seth Rogen!
 
2009-08-19 10:27:41 AM  
someonelse: I realize that it's August, and most Americans aren't paying that close attention to this debate, etc. But there has to be a tipping point where the non-retarded segment of the general public suddenly realizes that this is too important to let vile, ignorant, batsh*t crazy people totally shape this debate. Right?

I seriously doubt it.

How many people actually think the Birfers are right? Far too many.
 
2009-08-19 10:28:29 AM  
Jackson Herring: keylock71: With that little smack down and your continued support of Fall River's fight against Hess/Weaver's Cove Energy, you've secured my vote again.

Yes it sure is wonderful that we get to gaze upon the wreckage of the old Brightman Street Bridge for the rest of our lives, isn't it? =p


You know, I have a special place in my heart for that old piece of crap bridge... I grew up in that neighborhood, even jumped off that bridge a couple of times when I was much younger.

I hear they're going to make it a pedestrian bridge, but who knows what'll really happen? The new Brightman St Bridge is looking good though, and I won't miss waiting every time some jackass decides to bring their sailboat up the river.

I still think it was a nice little "fark you" to Hess/Weaver's Cove when they got that language about the Brightman St Bridge included in that bill.
 
2009-08-19 10:38:30 AM  
I finally watched the clip, and in the spirit of Fark, I'd like to say, despite her batshiat politics, I'd hit it. In a hotel room. In another city. Under an assumed name.
 
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