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(Post-Gazette)   Teacher: "Bringing my loaded handgun to school was a mistake."   (post-gazette.com) divider line 157
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2003-03-04 07:14:52 AM  
Ya think??
 
2003-03-04 07:22:41 AM  
I had to laugh at this one. One of my aunts is a retired school bus driver (Baltimore County). She was driving the high school bus one day when a student pulled a .22 pistol on her. She stopped the bus, retrieved her .357, confiscated the kid's firearm and told him to sit down (colorfully, I'm told).

The kid's parents actually tried to sue her, if you can believe that. She retired a couple of months later.
 
2003-03-04 07:40:48 AM  
So, they kick kids out of school for water pistols and spit wads under the 0 tolerance rules, but nothing about him being suspended?
 
2003-03-04 08:49:49 AM  
"They can have my gun, when they pry the bullets from my cold, dead students."
 
2003-03-04 11:01:52 AM  
Hey, when you have guns and especially if you carry them, they are going to get left in a bag sometimes. Not a crime.
 
2003-03-04 11:21:39 AM  
How did anybody know? If you reach into your bag for a book and feel the gun inside, do you hold it up and tell the whole class 'whoops'?

(aside) I knew I "wasn't in Kansas anymore" when on a training course in OK City. The door to the place said 2 things:

"No Solicitors"
"No Firearms"

Not used to seeing that...
 
2003-03-04 12:07:39 PM  
Meshman:
After FL became a "shall issue" state for concealed permits, there was about a year when nearly every mall had a big sign saying "NO FIREARMS" on every entrance. Sorta weird.

And before anyone asks, Florida schools are one of the "helpless victim" areas specifically off-limits for concealed carry. So anyone who wants a high body count for their mass murder knows that they won't face armed opposition in schools. Great, huh?
 
2003-03-04 05:42:51 PM  
Dear America,
Thanks for the laughs.
 
2003-03-04 05:43:19 PM  
Have you dealt with teenagers these days? Surprised headline didn't read "Not Bringing my loaded handgun to school was a mistake"
 
2003-03-04 05:43:55 PM  
Thanks Captain Obvious!
 
2003-03-04 05:44:34 PM  
Yeeeeahhhh.......that wasnt too smart there, teacher.
 
2003-03-04 05:45:45 PM  
Eat More Possum--zero tolerance rules are weird. there was a staff person at a local school who was arrested for being coked up at work. He got like a week's paid suspension or something instead of getting sacked, because the zero tolerance rules only state regulations in regards to students and faculty. no mention of staffpeople whatsoever, although i believe that recent changes are made. oh well, my fondest thoughts of the escambia county school system are that I'm no longer a part of it.
 
2003-03-04 05:46:21 PM  
hey, if the kids can have then why should teachers be at a disadvantage.
 
2003-03-04 05:46:41 PM  
"bringing guns to school is bad mmmkay?"
 
2003-03-04 05:46:45 PM  
Who does this guy think he is, Barry Switzer?
 
2003-03-04 05:48:30 PM  
That chick in the Herbolove banner ad has fugly implants.
 
2003-03-04 05:48:35 PM  
Femme_fatale:

"Dear America,
Thanks for the laughs."

dear canada, thanks for the.......

never mind.
 
2003-03-04 05:49:52 PM  

I also wonder how it was discovered. I hope he wasn't foolish enough to see it in his own bag and take it straight to the principal, saying, "look. oops. I'm bad. sorry."
"He has a valid permit to carry the weapon." - That should be enough.


Teachers like this would be the ones to stop the next Columbine-copycat little buggers.

 
2003-03-04 05:50:40 PM  
Zero Tolerance Rules are just another lazy way of getting around actually having to think matters through on a case-by-case basis. Like some poor kid here who took his mom's car to school one day, but his mom had left a knife (or something) in it, and on some random search that the school did, they found the "contraband" and suspended this kid, b/c of the no tolerance rule. Almost cost the poor kid his college scholarship, since they didn't want to take into account that it wasn't his fault.

And what does Barry Switzer have to do with this?
 
2003-03-04 05:50:56 PM  
03-04-03 05:48:35 PM Vroomazoom

..the laughs. You laugh at us daily, but at least it's over our refusal to be like you. Plus there are a lot of good drunk stoners stories that make it across the border to you...
 
2003-03-04 05:53:05 PM  
Femme_fatale:

that will work.

 
2003-03-04 05:53:08 PM  
"read Chapters 4 through 8, besides, it's not like i'm holding a gun to your head..."
 
2003-03-04 05:53:13 PM  
Big deal, my Dad carried a gun all the time. Oh wait, he was a cop. Nevermind. I'll be in the corner playing with the wall.
 
2003-03-04 05:53:32 PM  
ohhh goody...a gun flame war.

Let me squirt some inflamatory liquid and get this bonfire going nice and toasty.

As a holder of a CWP, its your duty and responsibility to not carry it in certain legally defined places, ie schools, bars (any where alcohol is), any government building..city hall etc etc. However, stores, banks, malls etc etc are okay unless otherwise posted. ONE BIG RULE!! "Concealed"!! it cannot be visible in any way shape or form as it may frighten other citizens.

Any maroon, like this teacher, should atleast have his CWP pulled for a multi year period or banned altogether. And a misdemeanor is probably a good thing as well.
 
2003-03-04 05:57:16 PM  

perhaps he should have left the handgun at home and went with the shotgun.
 
2003-03-04 05:57:53 PM  
Vroomazoom

dear canada, thanks for the.......




Oh, and this.
 
2003-03-04 05:58:07 PM  
Vroomazoom
excellent. the fastest resolution on Fark to date.
 
2003-03-04 05:58:37 PM  
 
2003-03-04 05:59:04 PM  
Adonis

Don't forget Pam Anderson.
 
2003-03-04 05:59:33 PM  
Places that don't want weapons, should provide a place for CCW permit-holders to check them in. Otherwise, either CCW permits become meaningless for people that work or otherwise spend much time at those establishments, or they end up leaving weapons in relatively insecure areas such as their cars.
 
2003-03-04 06:00:45 PM  
GaryPDX if you don't mind me asking. Why do you feel like you need to carry a concealed weapon? I'm not arguing with you at all, I really want to know.
 
2003-03-04 06:01:04 PM  
No, you're parents not wearing a condom, that was a mistake.
 
2003-03-04 06:01:34 PM  
GaryPDX: That all depends on which state you live in. In Utah, bars, schools, government buildings (except federal buildings) are all ok to carry in. I agree, however, that this asshat teacher should not have left his firearm unattended.
 
2003-03-04 06:01:58 PM  
I think this Anthony Sarkis guy is lying. Pennsylvania's Uniform Firearms Act requires either (a) a conceal carry permit to possess such a weapon in public, or (b) that the weapon be unloaded and stored in a separate compartment from the ammunition while being transported only between your residence, place of purchase, place of sale or gunsmith service, or firing range.

He was carrying his pistol in "conceal carry" mode - loaded and ready for use. It is the height of obscene irresponsibility to leave it unattended, in a grade-school, in an unlocked piece of luggage. He needs to be convicted of some kind of felony and barred from ever lawfully owning a firearm again.

Also, no mention in the story of who was going through his gym bag while he wasn't looking. There's more than one criminal in this school's faculty.
 
2003-03-04 06:05:58 PM  
Three weeks ago, a guy in my bowling league apparently showed up with a gun. How did we find out? Well, he went to the front desk to pay his league fees, and his gun fell out of his gym bag without him noticing.

One of the employees found the gun, called the police, and they traced it to him. Cops showed up halfway through our league night and hauled the guy off without a word.

He was back as of last week. But he hasn't offered any more explanation for why he was bringing a gun to the bowling alley in the first place. Too much Michael Moore, I suspect. That, or he was tired of his team losing...
 
2003-03-04 06:06:20 PM  
My 5th grade teacher had a handgun under her car seat. She kept some things in her car trunk like soccer balls, etc., and we'd routinely play with the gun when we went out to get a ball or something...good think I never shot anyone in the face with it I guess.
 
2003-03-04 06:07:55 PM  
wow Udink, Utah is more flexible than Oregon. Up here there are a few more defined places that prohibit.
 
2003-03-04 06:07:58 PM  
Ebawb: There's no more "need" to carry a firearm than there is to wear a seatbelt, or to have an insurance policy on your car or home. I certainly would never want to be in a situation where I "need" a concealed firearm, but it would be as welcome in such a situation as my seatbelt would be in a car accident.

/also not trying to argue =)
 
2003-03-04 06:09:49 PM  
I've made that mistake, I left some enriched uranium in my suitcase that I used at the powerplant,you know, those customs boys just wouldn't believe me!
 
2003-03-04 06:10:40 PM  
03-04-03 06:05:58 PM Asimovian
 
2003-03-04 06:10:49 PM  
Udink thanks, still not arguing. Just trying to understand. And just so you know, I am a gun owner myself. So if I am understanding you, your gun offers a perception of safety?
 
2003-03-04 06:11:37 PM  
Femme

Nice f*ckin' ref.
 
2003-03-04 06:13:56 PM  
Ebawb: Not just a perception of safety, but the reality of safety (or relative safety, anyhow). In the unlikely event that my life is ever intentionally threatened by another person, I will have some ability to defend myself.
 
2003-03-04 06:14:10 PM  


Again, a clear nomination for being too high....
 
2003-03-04 06:14:44 PM  
hmmm.. Udink I think I'm going to up that a bit. The need these days is alot more than people want to realize. Drive-bys, Gang shootouts, robberies..not to mention preditors of women are very good reasons to carry. In fact, of all the people I know who carry..80% are women. And I just think thats great. They sure feel alot safer out there as do I.
 
2003-03-04 06:15:20 PM  
Holy shiat, Micah, that is one of the scariest things I have ever read on Fark.
 
2003-03-04 06:16:47 PM  
Why carry?

It's better to have it and not need it than the other way around.
 
2003-03-04 06:17:39 PM  


Mr. Garison brings MR. SLAVE to class and doesn't get busted - fair is fair
 
2003-03-04 06:18:05 PM  
Dammit Edawb, why do you hate sucking chestwounds so much?
 
2003-03-04 06:19:34 PM  
Udink it's just that I would feel less safe carrying my gun with me. I am able to defend myself against threats of many kinds (which I'm really not all that concerned about). However, if it came down to someone pulling a gun on me, I don't think I would be able to react quick enough to actually use my own gun if I had it.

I suppose what it really comes down to is that I do not have that "warrior" nature that many others do, so I am grateful that there are citizens such as yourself who can and do act when neccesary. Personally I think I would be more of a danger to those around me than a benefit.
 
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