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(ESPN)   NASCAR's credibility takes another massive hit   ( sports.espn.go.com) divider line
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2009-08-17 09:15:36 PM  
nascar and credibility are usually not seen in the same sentence.
 
2009-08-17 10:20:21 PM  
"According to the officers she was pretty high," Cook said. "The officers took her to jail on public assistance ... to make sure she didn't cause problems to anybody or herself. The Mayfields came up [to the magistrate's office] and took charges out. She was arrested on those charges while in jail."


Jeremy Mayfield, in response to the court filing, argued that his stepmother's testimony was not trustworthy. He accused her of killing his father, who committed suicide in 2007, according to police reports. He also accused her of accepting money from NASCAR in exchange for her testimony. Lisa Mayfield has filed a civil suit against her stepson for defamation of character.


Like crawdaddies through the creek, so are the days of our lives.
 
2009-08-18 01:05:59 AM  
Does either side have a shred of credibility at this point?
 
2009-08-18 01:21:00 AM  
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You take that back, y'hear?
 
2009-08-18 01:21:53 AM  
Just when I think this story can't get any stranger, something like this happens...

These people need to go away. Even if Mayfield was not using drugs, he will never get a ride or sponsorship after this.
 
2009-08-18 01:25:16 AM  
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Again, why is this listed under the "Sports" section?
 
2009-08-18 01:30:20 AM  

Bocanegra: Again, why is this listed under the "Sports" section?


For the same reason we have to have ten stories about the Michael Vick puppy rape soap opera each day.
 
2009-08-18 01:35:42 AM  

Wild Eyed and Wicked: Just when I think this story can't get any stranger, something like this happens...

These people need to go away. Even if Mayfield was not using drugs, he will never get a ride or sponsorship after this.


QFT.

But if Mayfield wins his case, he could end up bankrupting the France family and owning NASCAR after this.

/and I think he will win.
 
2009-08-18 01:36:10 AM  
Mayfield used drugs.

His step-mom is batshiat crazy, as is Mayfield.

He should not get a ride until he cleans up and proves himself... but that doesn't mean she has much credibility, and deserves anything from her lawsuit.
 
2009-08-18 02:44:53 AM  

Bocanegra: Again, why is this listed under the "Sports" section?


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2009-08-18 04:15:35 AM  

Bocanegra: Again, why is this listed under the "Sports" section?


I don't know, ask ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports, why they cover it.
 
2009-08-18 05:25:03 AM  

House of Tards: Like crawdaddies through the creek, so are the days of our lives.


Bloody 'ell. I'm going to have to steal that...
 
2009-08-18 07:26:56 AM  
I guess every venue has it's Lohans, eh?
 
2009-08-18 07:49:58 AM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: Bocanegra: Again, why is this listed under the "Sports" section?

I don't know, ask ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports, why they cover it.


They also show poker tournaments. If you're going to argue about sport/non sport I think I would leave ESPN out of the argument.

/Lets get the golf is/isn't a sport argument going here too.
//Nascar needs a governing body that is seen as impartial, instead of the France family deciding each week what it wants.
///No, I am not calling for the family to sell, just a set of rules and an independent panel to enforce them.
////It would be fun if they started a secondary 'stock car' league that used, uh, stock cars off of a dealers lot.
 
2009-08-18 08:34:12 AM  
Mash down on the loud pedal and turn left. Yee-Haw!
 
2009-08-18 08:46:03 AM  

Another Government Employee: I guess every venue has it's Lohans, eh?


What about the Spears family?

One Rodent: You take that back, y'hear?


Why does that guy two pairs of sun glasses?
 
2009-08-18 08:55:45 AM  

Steve Zodiac: //Nascar needs a governing body that is seen as impartial, instead of the France family deciding each week what it wants.


I was listening to an interview with the head of California Athletic Commission yesterday and someone called in with a question about NASCAR's testing procedures. He was incredulous about how secretive and dumb it was.
 
2009-08-18 08:59:29 AM  
No, this incident actually raises NASCAR's profile
 
2009-08-18 09:13:39 AM  

geekluv: Another Government Employee: I guess every venue has it's Lohans, eh?

What about the Spears family?


That be Pettys.
 
2009-08-18 09:36:46 AM  

desertgeek: But if Mayfield wins his case, he could end up bankrupting the France family and owning NASCAR after this.


Anything to get control away from the France family is good.
 
2009-08-18 10:12:16 AM  
One Rodent, that guy looks exactly like my brother, freaky.
 
2009-08-18 10:12:20 AM  

puffy999: Mayfield used drugs.

His step-mom is batshiat crazy, as is Mayfield.

He should not get a ride until he cleans up and proves himself... but that doesn't mean she has much credibility, and deserves anything from her lawsuit.


According to an in house drug test conducted by NASCAR in which they refused to allow an outside company verify the results, Mayfield tested positive for meth twice. Mayfield also had his sample tested by some outside labs and they said he did not test positive for meth. Mayfield claims NASCAR is lying and it does look fishy on their part but they had a witness. O noes the witness is bat shiat crazy. Now all they can do is say that the independent labs that mayfield used aren't capable of distinguishing between meth and adderall and their lab is capable. To make a long story short, I'm not so sure he did use meth.
 
2009-08-18 10:27:45 AM  
The problem isn't the France family, it is one member - Brian.

Bill Sr & Jr certainly had their flaws, but the had a fundamental understanding about what made racing exciting and appealing. This insight made their reigns benevolent dictatorships where everyone was happy.

Brian doesn't have a clue, nobody's happy, and the sport is teetering on the brink. A Mayfield court victory that forces Brian out is the only hope.
 
2009-08-18 10:31:44 AM  
Big story. Somebodys red neck step mom is a drunk. Where's the Newsflash tag?
 
2009-08-18 10:37:17 AM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: I don't know, ask ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports, why they cover it.


I will. I'll also ask them why they cover poker and spelling bees.

Telling me that they're the world-wide leader is sports is both stupid and indicates a lack of critical thought on your part.

To help you along, ESPN also shows poker and spelling beas - both of which are not sports.

Jeebus you are stupid. Especially if you like NASCAR.
 
2009-08-18 10:41:05 AM  

spacechicken170am: puffy999: Mayfield used drugs.

His step-mom is batshiat crazy, as is Mayfield.

He should not get a ride until he cleans up and proves himself... but that doesn't mean she has much credibility, and deserves anything from her lawsuit.

According to an in house drug test conducted by NASCAR in which they refused to allow an outside company verify the results, Mayfield tested positive for meth twice. Mayfield also had his sample tested by some outside labs and they said he did not test positive for meth. Mayfield claims NASCAR is lying and it does look fishy on their part but they had a witness. O noes the witness is bat shiat crazy. Now all they can do is say that the independent labs that mayfield used aren't capable of distinguishing between meth and adderall and their lab is capable. To make a long story short, I'm not so sure he did use meth.


This is my understanding of things as well.
 
2009-08-18 10:43:52 AM  

Fireproof: Bocanegra: Again, why is this listed under the "Sports" section?


Why do NASCAR fans get pissy when people get snarky about NASCAR on fark? butthurt much?
 
2009-08-18 10:49:01 AM  
NASCAR needs some changes. Watching a bunch of guys who are all related driving the same car is getting boring. It's a like a family reunion at a go-kart track.

My first recommendation is that they bring back actual stock cars. I'd much rather see actual Camrys rubbing fenders with Taurii, their anemic V6s wheezing around the track. Sparks and fists flying alike. I want to see like it was in the '50s, with guys wearing T-shirts and smoking during the race. And none of this "Jeff Gordon whines at some other pretty boy in the pits for cutting him off... but without messing up his hair." I want to see Yarborough and the Allisons duking it out on turn 3 in the mud.

Who ruined NASCAR?
 
2009-08-18 11:14:58 AM  

Bocanegra: Passive Aggressive Larry: I don't know, ask ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports, why they cover it.

I will. I'll also ask them why they cover poker and spelling bees.

Telling me that they're the world-wide leader is sports is both stupid and indicates a lack of critical thought on your part.

To help you along, ESPN also shows poker and spelling beas - both of which are not sports.

Jeebus you are stupid. Especially if you like NASCAR.


Pure WIN

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2009-08-18 11:20:35 AM  
NASCAR sets up the cars to all run the same speed so they all run in a tight group, thereby making sure the most sponsors get airtime during any one given camera shot.

For that reason alone it isn't real racing.
 
2009-08-18 11:26:03 AM  

tricycleracer: NASCAR sets up the cars to all run the same speed so they all run in a tight group, thereby making sure the most sponsors get airtime during any one given camera shot.

For that reason alone it isn't real racing.


Cars that are closer together alllow the drivers to pass one another therfore allowing a better quality race than that parade called F1. More at 11.

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2009-08-18 11:26:29 AM  

Devo: Fireproof: Bocanegra: Again, why is this listed under the "Sports" section?

Why do NASCAR fans get pissy when people get snarky about NASCAR on fark? butthurt much?


they act the same way cricket fans do. Its just silly.
 
2009-08-18 11:31:08 AM  

puffy999: Mayfield used drugs.

His step-mom is batshiat crazy, as is Mayfield.

He should not get a ride until he cleans up and proves himself... but that doesn't mean she has much credibility, and deserves anything from her lawsuit.


ASSUMING he was using any drugs in the first place, and assuming that this isn't just a smear campaign on NASCAR/the France family's part.

And having been involved with NASCAR racing in the past, I just don't see that happening without some other evidence -- which we have not seen, if it exists. The so-called 'positive drug test' has never been independently verified, so far as I've seen (if it has, please show me). If all they've got is that and the step-mom's statements, then this pretty much farks them.

NASCAR based most of their 'case' against Jeremy on Lisa Mayfield's 'testimony' -- which now becomes very questionable. Where is the 'on-track' evidence? You've got to be pretty solid to drive one of those cars competitively -- and he was always competitive, IMO.

I agree with desertgeek. If NASCAR and the France family doesn't drop all of this immediately and it goes to court -- and Mayfield wins his case -- the France family is royally screwed. THEN we might see the changes that are so desperately needed to make NASCAR interesting again.
 
2009-08-18 11:35:57 AM  

Devo: Fireproof: Bocanegra: Again, why is this listed under the "Sports" section?

Why do

non-NASCAR fans get pissy when people get snarky about mention NASCAR on fark? butthurt much?

FTFY.
 
2009-08-18 11:40:02 AM  

desertgeek: Wild Eyed and Wicked: Just when I think this story can't get any stranger, something like this happens...

These people need to go away. Even if Mayfield was not using drugs, he will never get a ride or sponsorship after this.

QFT.

But if Mayfield wins his case, he could end up bankrupting the France family and owning NASCAR after this.

/and I think he will win.


THIS.
 
2009-08-18 11:41:09 AM  

Bocanegra: Again, why is this listed under the "Sports" section?


Same reason golf is in this section.
 
2009-08-18 11:42:29 AM  
Here in North Carolina, we just call it the weekend. Just pay the friggin' bond, and wait for next Saturday night so you can do it all over again.
 
2009-08-18 11:52:12 AM  

spacechicken170am: puffy999: Mayfield used drugs.

His step-mom is batshiat crazy, as is Mayfield.

He should not get a ride until he cleans up and proves himself... but that doesn't mean she has much credibility, and deserves anything from her lawsuit.

According to an in house drug test conducted by NASCAR in which they refused to allow an outside company verify the results, Mayfield tested positive for meth twice. Mayfield also had his sample tested by some outside labs and they said he did not test positive for meth. Mayfield claims NASCAR is lying and it does look fishy on their part but they had a witness. O noes the witness is bat shiat crazy. Now all they can do is say that the independent labs that mayfield used aren't capable of distinguishing between meth and adderall and their lab is capable. To make a long story short, I'm not so sure he did use meth.


According to some of the media refs, Mayfield's getting his outside testing at Labco - the guy referred to it as the Wal-Mart of labs. The indication is that the sampling isn't monitored like it would be for full IOC or NCAA or other testing would be, and thus it's possible to mickey it if you want. (Full testing accredited by the major groups requires that someone be present when you give the test. Yay, peeing with an audience.)
Personally, I think NASCAR is screwing him around; they're unwilling to admit that their lab may have buggered it up, and they're using Mayfield as an example for anyone else who doesn't respect the France family's authoriteah. I hope he can find a way to prove they're wrong... maybe it'll force them to actually release the drug policy on paper, which they have apparently not done.
Oh, and his mom's a nutter. So good job NASCAR, great character witness...
 
2009-08-18 12:02:16 PM  

Bocanegra: Passive Aggressive Larry: I don't know, ask ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports, why they cover it.

I will. I'll also ask them why they cover poker and spelling bees.

Telling me that they're the world-wide leader is sports is both stupid and indicates a lack of critical thought on your part.


That's their motto, dumbass, it's not like I pulled that phrase out of the sky. And they cover that spelling bee crap once a year. Also I don't think that I'd really consider them "covering" poker, when they never mention it on anything outside of when they happen to broadcast those stupid tournaments. You don't get poker updates on ESPN News. You don't see poker updates on the news crawl displayed on the bottom of the screen.

And ABC Sports, Fox Sports, NBC Sports, they all seem to consider NASCAR a sport, as does local TV network sports coverage. So it seems that overall pretty much anyone who covers sports and knows about sports, covers NASCAR in their sports coverage, but I guess they all know nothing and of course you're an expert since you're some douche on a forum biatching about it.

But more importantly, why the fark can't you handle NASCAR in the sports section? Is it really such a big deal? There are so few NASCAR stories covered on a weekly basis, it would not be hard to ignore them, like I am going to be ignoring you from now on.
 
2009-08-18 12:17:26 PM  

Bocanegra: Passive Aggressive Larry: I don't know, ask ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports, why they cover it.

I will. I'll also ask them why they cover poker and spelling bees.

Telling me that they're the world-wide leader is sports is both stupid and indicates a lack of critical thought on your part.

To help you along, ESPN also shows poker and spelling beas - both of which are not sports.

Jeebus you are stupid. Especially if you like NASCAR.


And...ignore.
 
2009-08-18 12:18:27 PM  
Well ain't that a right turn!
 
2009-08-18 12:20:56 PM  

spacechicken170am: puffy999: Mayfield used drugs.

His step-mom is batshiat crazy, as is Mayfield.

He should not get a ride until he cleans up and proves himself... but that doesn't mean she has much credibility, and deserves anything from her lawsuit.

According to an in house drug test conducted by NASCAR in which they refused to allow an outside company verify the results, Mayfield tested positive for meth twice. Mayfield also had his sample tested by some outside labs and they said he did not test positive for meth. Mayfield claims NASCAR is lying and it does look fishy on their part but they had a witness. O noes the witness is bat shiat crazy. Now all they can do is say that the independent labs that mayfield used aren't capable of distinguishing between meth and adderall and their lab is capable. To make a long story short, I'm not so sure he did use meth.


Did any of these results actually have his name on them?
 
2009-08-18 12:22:45 PM  

Rapmaster2000: NASCAR needs some changes. Watching a bunch of guys who are all related driving the same car is getting boring. It's a like a family reunion at a go-kart track.

My first recommendation is that they bring back actual stock cars. I'd much rather see actual Camrys rubbing fenders with Taurii, their anemic V6s wheezing around the track. Sparks and fists flying alike. I want to see like it was in the '50s, with guys wearing T-shirts and smoking during the race. And none of this "Jeff Gordon whines at some other pretty boy in the pits for cutting him off... but without messing up his hair." I want to see Yarborough and the Allisons duking it out on turn 3 in the mud.

Who ruined NASCAR?


You sound old.
 
2009-08-18 12:27:51 PM  
Here's where it gets fishy for me...

Mayfield's stepmom says he was using for 10 years. Do you mean to tell me that Mayfield was so good that he was avoiding Nascar's testing for 10 years, then suddenly, gets caught once, and then gets caught AGAIN when the crap hits the fan?

Makes no sense.

Not only that, if NASCAR was messing with the second positive test, it means they presented false evidence to a Federal judge.

If Mayfield took it to Labco and came out clean, it's basically the reputation of one of the biggest testing firms in America on the line, vs. a doctor with the credibility of one of Michael Jackson's personal physicians.

Something doesn't add up, and it doesn't look good for NASCAR.

/where's Ray?
 
2009-08-18 12:31:09 PM  

You Die!:
Did any of these results actually have his name on them?


Do you think one of the biggest testing firms in the country, who has multiple Fortune 50 clients, would allow testing hijinks with a highly publicized test?
 
2009-08-18 12:54:26 PM  
OK for those with the conspiracy theory angle. Why Mayfield? Not known as a cheater and, until the drug flap, not a wavemaker.

They havent "allowed for independant verification" of the original testing because they dont hang on to the old pee. They use a pretty standard testing lab and the first time around didnt even watch him pee (thats flexible, some places Ive done testing let you go alone, some gotta watch you) It came up positive. The second test he lied about his location to try and duck it for as long as possible then had another lab test his pee then right then as well since apparently he believed he just might come up positive for meth again and needed a friendly (Im willing to bet these friendly folks he was paying didnt insist on checking his poclets for vials of pee before leaving him alone to produce a sample) lab test to counter theirs with. Hmmm, sounds like a move a lawyer would suggest to a guilty client - sure enough all this happened after he called his lawyer before reporting for testing.

Yeah his stepmom is a drunk or druggie as well. Thats probably why at one point Mayfield wouldve had no big problem with doing Meth around her. Heres a newsflash. druggies hang out with other druggies.

Yeah, his stepmoms testimony is pretty shaky grounds for a case but the 2 positive tests and his own actions (ducking a retest with a provable lie) are not. Hes claiming innocence but acting guilty.

but yeah conspiracy folks NASCAR stopped in the middle of its decades long effort to shake its Redneck image and embrace mainstream America to frame one of its drivers for a low class white trash drug scandal and reinforce every stereotype its trying to shake. Thats so much more likely than 1 driver being a little stupid because he thought he could handle his high and wouldnt get caught.
 
2009-08-18 01:11:32 PM  

MattyFridays: You Die!:
Did any of these results actually have his name on them?

Do you think one of the biggest testing firms in the country, who has multiple Fortune 50 clients, would allow testing hijinks with a highly publicized test?


I read somewhere that the negative test result didn't actually have his name on it. I was just wondering if this could be confirmed or denied.
 
2009-08-18 01:17:08 PM  

Digitalstrange: OK for those with the conspiracy theory angle. Why Mayfield? Not known as a cheater and, until the drug flap, not a wavemaker.

They havent "allowed for independant verification" of the original testing because they dont hang on to the old pee. They use a pretty standard testing lab and the first time around didnt even watch him pee (thats flexible, some places Ive done testing let you go alone, some gotta watch you) It came up positive. The second test he lied about his location to try and duck it for as long as possible then had another lab test his pee then right then as well since apparently he believed he just might come up positive for meth again and needed a friendly (Im willing to bet these friendly folks he was paying didnt insist on checking his poclets for vials of pee before leaving him alone to produce a sample) lab test to counter theirs with. Hmmm, sounds like a move a lawyer would suggest to a guilty client - sure enough all this happened after he called his lawyer before reporting for testing.

Yeah his stepmom is a drunk or druggie as well. Thats probably why at one point Mayfield wouldve had no big problem with doing Meth around her. Heres a newsflash. druggies hang out with other druggies.

Yeah, his stepmoms testimony is pretty shaky grounds for a case but the 2 positive tests and his own actions (ducking a retest with a provable lie) are not. Hes claiming innocence but acting guilty.

but yeah conspiracy folks NASCAR stopped in the middle of its decades long effort to shake its Redneck image and embrace mainstream America to frame one of its drivers for a low class white trash drug scandal and reinforce every stereotype its trying to shake. Thats so much more likely than 1 driver being a little stupid because he thought he could handle his high and wouldnt get caught.


Yes they do still have his old pee. They do still have his B sample. That is what they should send to another lab. It may not be so much that it's a consrpiracy but more that they just farked up the test and are refusing to admit it.
 
2009-08-18 01:25:05 PM  

Digitalstrange: OK for those with the conspiracy theory angle. Why Mayfield? Not known as a cheater and, until the drug flap, not a wavemaker.

They havent "allowed for independant verification" of the original testing because they dont hang on to the old pee. They use a pretty standard testing lab and the first time around didnt even watch him pee (thats flexible, some places Ive done testing let you go alone, some gotta watch you) It came up positive. The second test he lied about his location to try and duck it for as long as possible then had another lab test his pee then right then as well since apparently he believed he just might come up positive for meth again and needed a friendly (Im willing to bet these friendly folks he was paying didnt insist on checking his poclets for vials of pee before leaving him alone to produce a sample) lab test to counter theirs with. Hmmm, sounds like a move a lawyer would suggest to a guilty client - sure enough all this happened after he called his lawyer before reporting for testing.

Yeah his stepmom is a drunk or druggie as well. Thats probably why at one point Mayfield wouldve had no big problem with doing Meth around her. Heres a newsflash. druggies hang out with other druggies.

Yeah, his stepmoms testimony is pretty shaky grounds for a case but the 2 positive tests and his own actions (ducking a retest with a provable lie) are not. Hes claiming innocence but acting guilty.

but yeah conspiracy folks NASCAR stopped in the middle of its decades long effort to shake its Redneck image and embrace mainstream America to frame one of its drivers for a low class white trash drug scandal and reinforce every stereotype its trying to shake. Thats so much more likely than 1 driver being a little stupid because he thought he could handle his high and wouldnt get caught.



I highlighted things that are factually incorrect in your post.

1. They have the old sample
2. His independent test was done by a reputable lab
3. He didn't hang out with his step mom, he hated her and accused her of killing his dad

Try again. (almost) No one thinks NASCAR started out with a plan of screwing Mayfield, people think they refused to accept their test was a false positive and did not take the normal steps necessary to verify it.
 
2009-08-18 01:48:13 PM  

You're the jerk... jerk:
Try again. (almost) No one thinks NASCAR started out with a plan of screwing Mayfield, people think they refused to accept their test was a false positive and did not take the normal steps necessary to verify it.


This

It's SOP for NASCAR. IMHO, they are only worried about keeping the drivers in line and presenting the perfect image to the outside world. They will hide the truth, lie straight to your face and throw anyone under bus to maintain their image.
 
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