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(Wired)   "Daniel is serving a sentence of 17-and-a-half years in prison, followed by supervised release for life. There's no evidence in the record that he ever succeeded in talking with a real underage girl"   (wired.com) divider line 400
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2009-08-15 06:30:47 PM
I like the bonus pedo bear graphic!
 
2009-08-15 06:39:22 PM
Well, I guess I'll scratch this guy off of my list of people to take to Vegas.
 
2009-08-15 10:05:54 PM
We have arrived at the point were this can be prosecuted for just thinking about it.
 
2009-08-16 12:20:48 AM
Won't somebody think of the children!?

Oh, wait... he did.
 
2009-08-16 10:05:58 AM
The same rules apply to hookers, if she doesn't look like a strung out meth head its a cop.
 
2009-08-16 10:07:30 AM
It's like the Minority Report
 
2009-08-16 10:31:42 AM
teto85: We have arrived at the point were this can be prosecuted for just thinking about it.

this is a concern.....
 
2009-08-16 10:45:24 AM
The Pedobear graphic on the side of the article really ties the whole thing together.
 
2009-08-16 10:46:10 AM
www.wired.com
I LOL'd
 
2009-08-16 10:46:12 AM
swaniefrmreddeer: The same rules apply to hookers, if she doesn't look like a strung out meth head its a cop.

Maybe in the U.S.A., but up here in America's Hat it's perfectly legal to phone up for delivery.

I understand you can go to some places in Europe where the hookers stand in big display windows.
 
2009-08-16 10:46:27 AM
real shaman: teto85: We have arrived at the point were this can be prosecuted for just thinking about it.

this is a concern.....


And how much of our tax money is spent on this bs? True, pedophiles are disgusting creatures, but these sting operations are out of control.
 
2009-08-16 10:46:34 AM
Uh, couldn't you potentially do less time for raping and/or killing someone? This shiat is getting rediculous.
 
2009-08-16 10:47:17 AM
Gee I dunno. If he kept on trolling for underage girls and hit 3 cops, doesn't that mean he'd have eventually find a real underage girl?

yeah yeah thought crimes etc.
 
2009-08-16 10:47:26 AM
teto85: We have arrived at the point were this can be prosecuted for just thinking about it.

You are missing the point where he had arranged a meet with the first one, that is the crime. the other chat logs just reinforced the intent of the already set-up meeting. The judges chose their words poorly.
 
2009-08-16 10:47:53 AM
Next they will tell us trying to hire a hitman will be illegal even if you never actually had anyone killed. Nanny state etc...
 
2009-08-16 10:48:11 AM
teto85: We have arrived at the point were this can be prosecuted for just thinking about it.

If you're caught trying to break into a bank, you get arrested, don't you?
 
2009-08-16 10:48:34 AM
Two of the cops has _13 in their screen names. I think it's safe to say, cops aren't very original.
 
2009-08-16 10:50:11 AM
Go Fast Turn Left: teto85: We have arrived at the point were this can be prosecuted for just thinking about it.

If you're caught trying to break into a bank, you get arrested, don't you?


This is more like somebody trying to break into a cardboard display made up to look like a bank. Still a crime?
 
2009-08-16 10:53:07 AM
teto85: We have arrived at the point were this can be prosecuted for just thinking about it.

NO.

He was actively engaged in trying to coerce underage girls into having sex.
The evidence shows he had contact with 3 different screen names that were all undercover authorities. He arranged a meeting at a park with what he thought was a 13 year old girl.

This is not "thought crime", this is a man being busted while attempting to commit a crime.
GOOD RIDDANCE.
 
2009-08-16 10:53:36 AM
Egalitarian: Gee I dunno. If he kept on trolling for underage girls and hit 3 cops, doesn't that mean he'd have eventually find a real underage girl?

Four spam bots, three lurking cops, two pervy men, and a horrendous old lady with "needs".
 
2009-08-16 10:53:53 AM
"still showed his intent to commit a crime"

Intent to commit.

But he did NOT commit a crime.
Only intended to?
He is guilty of thought crime?

What is with this?
 
2009-08-16 10:54:01 AM
Ah, the Internet. Where men are men, women are men, and children are undercover federal agents.
 
2009-08-16 10:54:51 AM
thal1321: Two of the cops has _13 in their screen names. I think it's safe to say, cops aren't very original.

Well to be fair, neither are too many 13 year olds that are on im chat talking about sex.

\no I don't know from experience, just sayin'..
 
2009-08-16 10:56:39 AM
What a rip-off. Ill' bet he didn't even get to have sex with those undercover cops.
 
2009-08-16 10:56:47 AM
stein.bioch.dundee.ac.ukwww.wired.com
 
2009-08-16 10:58:11 AM
Fark him. He had, in his own mind anyways, at least 4 maybe more attempts at meeting underage girls. The cops need to get their shiat together, but no sympathy here for that dirtball. He wasn't just looking to fap online, he arranged a meeting then showed up.

When you actually show up to a meeting all bets are off. Entrapment? I'd say he set his own trap.

/wonders what they might find on this mutts hard-drive.
 
2009-08-16 10:58:49 AM
Speedofdarkness: What a rip-off. Ill' bet he didn't even get to have sex with those undercover cops.

To be absolutely fair, they should send the youngest female cop they have who at least could LOOK underage. After she has sex with the guy, THEN arrest him.

It's the last heterosexual encounter he's likely to have, so ya gotta give him a break.
 
2009-08-16 10:58:52 AM
17 years and a life of supervision? I swear to god murderers can get better sentences than that. I understand that it was intent, but honestly I think their is a better way of doing this shiat. This guy will consume 17 years of government funds, and much more of his "supervision", even though he never really committed a crime.

/he can has psychiatric help
//fark prison
 
2009-08-16 10:59:32 AM
weeha: "still showed his intent to commit a crime"

Intent to commit.

But he did NOT commit a crime.
Only intended to?
He is guilty of thought crime?

What is with this?


Those other two logs didn't help with his conviction. The "intent to commit a crime" is showing that the cops weren't pushing him to do the crime (entrapment).
 
2009-08-16 10:59:51 AM
teto85: We have arrived at the point were this can be prosecuted for just thinking about it.

Look man, I understand--you can still have your dirty chats with that hot 13 year old. And you can still tell this 13-year-old how you want to ________ __________ & _________ her __________. But the lamest thing out of all this? You get in trouble when you go to meet a 13-year-old in a park for what you thought was sex.

This isn't the America I know.
This must be Obama's fault.

The guy was farking arrested for MEETING a 13-year-old when he thought he was getting some 13-year-old tail. I DO hope you're joking.
 
2009-08-16 11:01:09 AM
Wasilla Hillbilly: Uh, couldn't you potentially do less time for raping and/or killing someone? This shiat is getting rediculous.

Actual violent rapists usually do get less time. At least they also get sex-offender status.

God forbid you visit an underage slut who's on the internets trolling for an older man's dick, though.

/Operating an unlicensed vagina is a serious offense.

Prison sentences for rape are not uniform. A study made by the U.S. Department of Justice of prison releases in 1992, involving about 80 percent of the prison population, found that the average sentence for convicted rapists was 11.8 years, while the actual time served was 5.4 years. This follows the typical pattern for violent crimes in the US, where those convicted typically serve no more than half of their sentence.
 
2009-08-16 11:01:38 AM
What a S.F.B guy (s@#$ for brains). It's the same as all the hitmen you meet in a bar to kill your wife are cops. And he should be in jail. Probably leave feet first.
 
2009-08-16 11:02:27 AM
SwallowTheKnife: The guy was farking arrested for MEETING a 13-year-old

What 13yo did he meet?

/Hint: there was no 13yo, only adult cops.
 
2009-08-16 11:02:35 AM
weeha: "still showed his intent to commit a crime"

Intent to commit.

But he did NOT commit a crime.
Only intended to?
He is guilty of thought crime?

What is with this?


www.toonjokes.com
 
2009-08-16 11:02:36 AM
vitriolix.com

Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?
 
2009-08-16 11:03:31 AM
PawisBetlog: Well to be fair, neither are too many 13 year olds that are on im chat talking about sex.

IM is so ten years ago, man. That's what MySpace is for.
 
2009-08-16 11:06:27 AM
Intent in the absence of action = thought crime. Not illegal.

Intent PLUS some action in pursuance = attempted crime. Illegal.

So often the police are griefed for not being able to prevent crimes, just react and investigate after the fact. Well, this time they prevented a particularly filthy one. Cheaply, efficiently, and peacefully.

Methinks the pervs doth protest too much.
 
2009-08-16 11:07:04 AM
weeha: He is guilty of thought crime?

Thought crime is 'thinking about it'.
"hmmm....I'd like to fark that fine young thing". Creepy, but no harm, no foul.

When you actually pursue a target, and actually go to meet (what you think is) the target, you've taken action far beyond mere 'thinking'.
 
2009-08-16 11:09:31 AM
Devoid: Go Fast Turn Left: teto85: We have arrived at the point were this can be prosecuted for just thinking about it.

If you're caught trying to break into a bank, you get arrested, don't you?

This is more like somebody trying to break into a cardboard display made up to look like a bank. Still a crime?


So you don't like prevention; do you prefer to wait until the damage is done before you stop a crime?
 
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2009-08-16 11:09:36 AM
Go Fast Turn Left: teto85: We have arrived at the point were this can be prosecuted for just thinking about it.

If you're caught trying to break into a bank, you get arrested, don't you?


Yes. You can get arrested and imprisoned for planning bank robbery, on paper or computer, even if you never set foot in that bank. Thought crime.
 
2009-08-16 11:11:05 AM
 
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2009-08-16 11:11:10 AM
weeha: Intent to commit.

But he did NOT commit a crime.
Only intended to?
He is guilty of thought crime?

What is with this?


If I go out and look for a hitman to kill my wife, and end up talking to an undercover cop, you are telling me that I shouldn't be arrested?

The only problem I have with these cases is Who initiated contact first? If the cops did, then fark the cops, they shouldn't be trying to make people commit crimes (entrapment). If the pedo's did, then fark them for trying to find 13 year old pussy.
 
2009-08-16 11:12:31 AM
rcain: He was actively engaged in trying to coerce underage girls into having sex.

[citation needed]
 
2009-08-16 11:12:38 AM
teto85: We have arrived at the point were this can be prosecuted for just thinking about it.

Not really, he had the intent of having sex with not 1 not 2 but 3 different minors. If he wasn't busted with this law enforcement agency, there are another 2 he would have been with.

This case could look like law enforcement isn't communicating with each other concerning their operations with on-line activity. I see it as good that the cops don't know who the other cops in chat rooms are, if they themselves were pedos, they would know how not to get busted.
 
2009-08-16 11:12:56 AM
teto85: We have arrived at the point were this can be prosecuted for just thinking about it.

No, we have arrived at the point (about a century ago) where getting caught planning to do an illegal act, and trying to do an illegal act gets punished the same way actually DOING the illegal act is (thus the Crimes of Attempt and Conspiracy) This is no different that someone trying to sell drugs to or buy from an undercover agent. The intent to commit the crime was manifestly there, they just had the bad luck to pick a cop to try to consummate the crime with
 
2009-08-16 11:12:58 AM
Personally, I'd advocate shooting the f*cker and charging his family for the bullet.
 
2009-08-16 11:14:11 AM

He could have gotten off easier if he'd just walked up to a kid and said "Hey, wanna fark?"

http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar42/ch4.html

b) A person eighteen (18) years of age or older who knowingly or intentionally solicits a child under fourteen (14) years of age, or an individual the person believes to be a child under fourteen (14) years of age, to engage in:
(1) sexual intercourse;
(2) deviate sexual conduct; or
(3) any fondling or touching intended to arouse or satisfy the sexual desires of either the child or the older person;
commits child solicitation, a Class D felony. However, the offense is a Class C felony if it is committed by using a computer network (as defined in IC 35-43-2-3(a)), and a Class B felony if the person commits the offense by using a computer network (as defined in IC 35-43-2-3(a)) and has a previous unrelated conviction for committing the offense by using a computer network (as defined in IC 35-43-2-3(a)).
(emphasis added)
 
2009-08-16 11:15:01 AM
Malik Sardonis: Intent in the absence of action = thought crime. Not illegal.

Reality suggests otherwise.

They've hunted people down in these 'stings' who never made contact outside of online.

"Well, he didn't show, but we've got logs here when Officer McPervy eloquently described all the things his 15 yo. character would have loved to do with her tongue, so we know he wanted to... bring him in, boys."
 
2009-08-16 11:17:01 AM
There is no evidence

evidence that he diddled little girls... that doesn't mean he didn't do it.
 
2009-08-16 11:21:23 AM
Githerax: So you don't like prevention; do you prefer to wait until the damage is done before you stop a crime?

Based on the evidence, this guy is guilty of nothing more than having a fetish for cops that pretend to be teenage girls.
 
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