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2009-08-15 01:41:19 AM
I feel terrible for the kids of today.
 
2009-08-15 02:03:55 AM
Any teacher who brings creativity to the classroom is looked upon with suspicion. I'm not sure how we're supposed to encourage thought in students by being such mindless teach-to-the-test automatons.

And I'd really like to think the retort to that isn't "Well, you're NOT supposed to encourage thought in students."
 
2009-08-15 02:15:08 AM
davidphogan: I feel terrible for the kids of today.

Hey those violent little farkers started it.

RminusQ: Any teacher who brings creativity to the classroom is looked upon with suspicion. I'm not sure how we're supposed to encourage thought in students by being such mindless teach-to-the-test automatons.

And I'd really like to think the retort to that isn't "Well, you're NOT supposed to encourage thought in students."


And what important understanding of the Revolutionary War are middle school students going to gain by seeing what some of the weapons looked like? The tactical and strategic implications of having a slow-loading single-shot weapon with a very limited range (which you can't, by the way, demonstrate effectively with a replica)? Maybe if the teacher actually cared he would have developed a lesson plan involving actual learning and not a dressed up version of "playing war" just to get their attention.
 
2009-08-15 02:24:32 AM
full citcle jerk we are become
time to suttender to nannny state
 
2009-08-15 02:24:44 AM
The public school system has been going full retard for quite some time now.
 
2009-08-15 02:28:02 AM
skinnycatullus: And what important understanding of the Revolutionary War are middle school students going to gain by seeing what some of the weapons looked like? The tactical and strategic implications of having a slow-loading single-shot weapon with a very limited range (which you can't, by the way, demonstrate effectively with a replica)? Maybe if the teacher actually cared he would have developed a lesson plan involving actual learning and not a dressed up version of "playing war" just to get their attention.

Maybe the teacher was making it fun for them? History is a dry subject to teach, especially to middle schoolers. This is California though, so naturally somebody sissied out over a plastic gun.
 
2009-08-15 02:28:42 AM
this happened right across the street where i had a meeting today.

i brought my dogs along with me (short meeting) and was walking them on the lawn in front the building when the cops swooped in across the street.

we walked 3 blocks south to the strip mall for beer and burritos.
 
2009-08-15 02:29:05 AM
skinnycatullus

www.aerojockey.com
 
2009-08-15 02:30:44 AM
skinnycatullus: davidphogan: I feel terrible for the kids of today.

Hey those violent little farkers started it.

RminusQ: Any teacher who brings creativity to the classroom is looked upon with suspicion. I'm not sure how we're supposed to encourage thought in students by being such mindless teach-to-the-test automatons.

And I'd really like to think the retort to that isn't "Well, you're NOT supposed to encourage thought in students."

And what important understanding of the Revolutionary War are middle school students going to gain by seeing what some of the weapons looked like? The tactical and strategic implications of having a slow-loading single-shot weapon with a very limited range (which you can't, by the way, demonstrate effectively with a replica)? Maybe if the teacher actually cared he would have developed a lesson plan involving actual learning and not a dressed up version of "playing war" just to get their attention.


Maybe the conditions that the soldiers of that time had to endure, the reason behind an infantry square compared to our more modern tactics. Why the militia was so vital to the American victory. There are a lot of reasons why props might be used.
 
2009-08-15 02:31:33 AM
skinnycatullus: Maybe if the teacher actually cared he would have developed a lesson plan involving actual learning and not a dressed up version of "playing war" just to get their attention.

Right, a teacher trying to get students to pay attention is by far the worst sin he could ever commit.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time here, but really, we should be applauding teachers who make the extra effort to actually make kids want to learn. We were all stubborn your bastards at one point, and I can say from personal experience that if I didn't actually want to learn something, I usually retained it just long enough to do well on the test. The information I cared about stuck with me. To this day, I can go on for hours about Latin grammar, but world geography (which I did alright with in high school) is another story altogether.

More directly on topic, I think this was an over-reaction on the part of the school, but a bad move by the teacher to begin with. Pictures would have sufficed.
 
2009-08-15 02:32:47 AM
I love how schools saw "lockdowns" at prisons and thought "hey, that's a good idea, we can learn a lot about running a school from running a prison."
 
2009-08-15 02:34:08 AM
Lars The Canadian Viking: I love how schools saw "lockdowns" at prisons and thought "hey, that's a good idea, we can learn a lot about running a school from running a prison."

So many similarities!
 
2009-08-15 02:34:09 AM
Dear Parents, School Officials, lolxtians, etc.

Someday, your kids are going to DIE! Nothing can stop this. Come to terms with this, and stop being so insanely obsessive about every bit of lame little shiat you can possibly imagine. When they die, they shall be welcome in my fathers kingdom.


Regards,

zorlack
 
2009-08-15 02:34:42 AM
vudukungfu: full citcle jerk we are become
time to suttender to nannny state


ic wat u did their
 
2009-08-15 02:35:08 AM
josephstalin: History is a dry subject to teach, especially to middle schoolers.

I disagree. The guy that taught me history in middle school probably shaped my life (as far as thought about how I perceive politics, international conflict, government, etc.) more than anybody else on the planet.

Literally, if it wasn't for that awesome teacher, I'd probably suck even more than I already do.
 
2009-08-15 02:37:05 AM
DerekSD: this happened right across the street where i had a meeting today.

i brought my dogs along with me (short meeting) and was walking them on the lawn in front the building when the cops swooped in across the street.

we walked 3 blocks south to the strip mall for beer and burritos.


In the Keil's shopping center?
 
2009-08-15 02:37:29 AM
I want to see what the sex-ed teacher brings....
cue Latourneau jokes in 3,2,....
 
2009-08-15 02:41:20 AM
Lars The Canadian Viking: I love how schools saw "lockdowns" at prisons and thought "hey, that's a good idea, we can learn a lot about running a school from running a prison."

in my education classes we had to write a report on similarity in design, it's scary the latest schools are designed using thoery learnt from prisons.
The suspension here was just the department trying make it self look like it's doing something. Sadly it looks like just a bit of bad luck and mistake identify. Atleast it's not as bad as in australia, where a teacher had a mock hanging that turned into a real one..
 
2009-08-15 02:41:44 AM
ulairix: Maybe the conditions that the soldiers of that time had to endure, the reason behind an infantry square compared to our more modern tactics. Why the militia was so vital to the American victory. There are a lot of reasons why props might be used.

None of which you have provided, but thanks for playing. You really think a couple of plastic guns would demonstrate any of that in a meaningful way?

The Revolutionary War is a damned exciting subject. You don't need toys to make it interesting.
 
2009-08-15 02:45:08 AM
Kids can go watch a movie that completely insults kids (stupid kids ride the short bus, or gonna grow up to be street sweepers), and they get a big laugh.

But as soon as a teacher says the same thing in class, the parents, administration, and ACLU swoop in.

It's a hypocritical double standard.

America is becoming wussified. I call it the "downward spiral of wussification".


/I am a high school teacher
//I used to play with guns too (if you want to engage boys in academics, bring guns and cars (no cars in the Revolutionary War))
///Time for a refill on my beverage, later all
 
2009-08-15 02:45:41 AM
skinnycatullus: ulairix: Maybe the conditions that the soldiers of that time had to endure, the reason behind an infantry square compared to our more modern tactics. Why the militia was so vital to the American victory. There are a lot of reasons why props might be used.

None of which you have provided, but thanks for playing. You really think a couple of plastic guns would demonstrate any of that in a meaningful way?

The Revolutionary War is a damned exciting subject. You don't need toys to make it interesting.


"This subject is interesting to me, so it must be interesting to every 13 year old out there."
 
2009-08-15 02:45:50 AM
skinnycatullus: ulairix: Maybe the conditions that the soldiers of that time had to endure, the reason behind an infantry square compared to our more modern tactics. Why the militia was so vital to the American victory. There are a lot of reasons why props might be used.

None of which you have provided, but thanks for playing. You really think a couple of plastic guns would demonstrate any of that in a meaningful way?

The Revolutionary War is a damned exciting subject. You don't need toys to make it interesting.


Well, I guess that ends the debate because Mr. Expert says so. Twat.
 
2009-08-15 02:46:04 AM
knowledge is a deadly friend
if no one sets the rules

the fate of all mankind I see
is in the hands of fools

the wall on which the prophets wrote
is cracking at the seams
upon the instruments of death
the sunlight brightly gleams

when every man is torn apart
with nightmares and with dreams
will no one lay the laurel wreath
when silence drowns the screams

confusion will be my epitaph
as I crawl this cracked and broken path
if we make it we can all sit back and laugh

but I fear tomorrow I'll be crying
yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying
yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying
 
2009-08-15 02:48:32 AM
Jeeze when I was in High School one of the teachers brought in real flintlocks and tons of memorabilia from his collection including currency from Wiemar Republic and Nazi Germany. I feel sorry for the kids of today.
 
2009-08-15 02:48:39 AM
I was born in 1973. Sometimes during deer season I had a loaded rifle in my high school locker. Sure it was the south but can things have changed so drastically for the stupid in the interim?
 
2009-08-15 02:50:05 AM
CALIFORNIA LOL
 
2009-08-15 02:51:39 AM
Geesh...

In my 9th grade history class we were tasked with making some sort of tangible object having to do with the Crusades... Most of my fellow students made fiddly little dioramas or sewed flags, but I had access to a well-equipped machine shop. So on the day the projects were due I came to school carrying a full-sized steel replica of a scimitar.

No one batted an eye. I can only imagine some kid trying that now.
 
2009-08-15 02:54:19 AM
skinnycatullus: davidphogan: I feel terrible for the kids of today.

Hey those violent little farkers started it.

RminusQ: Any teacher who brings creativity to the classroom is looked upon with suspicion. I'm not sure how we're supposed to encourage thought in students by being such mindless teach-to-the-test automatons.

And I'd really like to think the retort to that isn't "Well, you're NOT supposed to encourage thought in students."

And what important understanding of the Revolutionary War are middle school students going to gain by seeing what some of the weapons looked like? The tactical and strategic implications of having a slow-loading single-shot weapon with a very limited range (which you can't, by the way, demonstrate effectively with a replica)? Maybe if the teacher actually cared he would have developed a lesson plan involving actual learning and not a dressed up version of "playing war" just to get their attention.


Obviously not a teacher troll is obviously not a teacher
 
2009-08-15 02:54:32 AM
skinnycatullus: And what important understanding of the Revolutionary War are middle school students going to gain by seeing what some of the weapons looked like? The tactical and strategic implications of having a slow-loading single-shot weapon with a very limited range (which you can't, by the way, demonstrate effectively with a replica)? Maybe if the teacher actually cared he would have developed a lesson plan involving actual learning and not a dressed up version of "playing war" just to get their attention.

The teacher may have been naive in his choice of props, but using visual / tactile aids is generally a good way of improving learning retention.
 
2009-08-15 02:55:05 AM
The times. They are a changin'.
 
2009-08-15 02:55:11 AM
@Jeff73. I was born in 1980. I sold a 30-30 to my debate coach in the parking lot after school. This was in 1998. I guess a few weeks later something happened that changed attitudes. I forget. Oh right Columbine.fark the school, props are fine, and screw you Skinny. If you know so much, teach.
 
2009-08-15 02:56:01 AM
zorlack7: When they die, they shall be welcome in my fathers kingdom.

Dad owns a mortuary?
 
2009-08-15 02:57:03 AM
Enigmamf: DerekSD: this happened right across the street where i had a meeting today.

i brought my dogs along with me (short meeting) and was walking them on the lawn in front the building when the cops swooped in across the street.

we walked 3 blocks south to the strip mall for beer and burritos.

In the Keil's shopping center?


close.
there is a roberto's just across the street from a 7-11. just before clairmont drive turns westward and downhill.
it was cheap and easy.
i wanted to hit mtn. mike's, but the other people in our pary talked me out of it. that shopping center isn't exactly 'dog friendly' for some reason.
 
2009-08-15 02:57:54 AM
myinternetname: CALIFORNIA LOL

i210.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-15 02:58:10 AM
My love of history has a lot to do with the efforts of a high school world history teacher. Some of the methods & demonstrations he did then wouldn't fly nowadays. For example...bringing in faithful reproductions of muskets, flintlock rifles, etc., all that he had built himself at home.
 
2009-08-15 02:59:06 AM
ambassador_ahab: I disagree. The guy that taught me history in middle school probably shaped my life (as far as thought about how I perceive politics, international conflict, government, etc.) more than anybody else on the planet.

That's my point, though. A great teacher is pretty much required for History to be learnable for middle schoolers. For what its worth, my favorite teachers from both middle and high school were history teachers who really made things interesting. They actually got through to kids and taught them things that otherwise would go in one ear and out the other.
 
2009-08-15 02:59:15 AM
40 watt range: @Jeff73. I was born in 1980. I sold a 30-30 to my debate coach in the parking lot after school. This was in 1998. I guess a few weeks later something happened that changed attitudes. I forget. Oh right Columbine.fark the school, props are fine, and screw you Skinny. If you know so much, teach.

I thought someone else bought their guns for them at a store. I don't recall them buying them in the school parking lot.
 
2009-08-15 03:02:51 AM
Geez, In my 12th grade Plains History class we went out to my history teacher's cabin and shot muzzle loading rifles and such. This was only about 6 years ago too. I guess there is one benefit to living in Nebraska, at least we're not turning into a bunch of pansies like the rest of the country.
 
2009-08-15 03:03:20 AM
Jeff73: I was born in 1973. Sometimes during deer season I had a loaded rifle in my high school locker. Sure it was the south but can things have changed so drastically for the stupid in the interim?

i was born in 1968.
when i was a kid in indiana we brought .22 rifles to school, hung them on pegs in the hall and dragged them out for target practice during recess.
however, this doesn't mean shiat in an urban environment where there isn't enough space to feasibly open up a firing range.
nor would it mean jackshiat some place where there are no game animals.
things have changed for the stupid, cell phone useage while driving is almost universal across the country and you can't smoke a cigarette with a roof over your head, but carrying anything resembling a firearm into a school anywhere in this country these days is criminally stupid.
 
2009-08-15 03:03:33 AM
Teacher never thought to run the "I'm bringing fake rifles to school" idea past Admin?
 
2009-08-15 03:04:24 AM
I'm surprised the students didn't gun down the teacher with their real guns.
 
2009-08-15 03:06:31 AM
40 watt range: @Jeff73. I was born in 1980. I sold a 30-30 to my debate coach in the parking lot after school. This was in 1998. I guess a few weeks later something happened that changed attitudes. I forget. Oh right Columbine.fark the school, props are fine, and screw you Skinny. If you know so much, teach.

What a coincidence, I sold a bag to my debate teacher.
 
2009-08-15 03:07:34 AM
HempHead: 40 watt range: @Jeff73. I was born in 1980. I sold a 30-30 to my debate coach in the parking lot after school. This was in 1998. I guess a few weeks later something happened that changed attitudes. I forget. Oh right Columbine.fark the school, props are fine, and screw you Skinny. If you know so much, teach.

I thought someone else bought their guns for them at a store. I don't recall them buying them in the school parking lot.


What are you trying to crack wise about? I am not saying they bought them in a parking lot. I am saying that Columbine was the event that changed things. So that sales in parking lots in my case, or having a gun during hunting season in his case, became criminal.
 
2009-08-15 03:12:47 AM
HempHead: DerekSD: resembling a firearm into a school anywhere in this country these days is criminally stupid.

Case in point:


for now....
 
2009-08-15 03:14:36 AM
DerekSD: Enigmamf: DerekSD: this happened right across the street where i had a meeting today.

i brought my dogs along with me (short meeting) and was walking them on the lawn in front the building when the cops swooped in across the street.

we walked 3 blocks south to the strip mall for beer and burritos.

In the Keil's shopping center?

close.
there is a roberto's just across the street from a 7-11. just before clairmont drive turns westward and downhill.
it was cheap and easy.
i wanted to hit mtn. mike's, but the other people in our pary talked me out of it. that shopping center isn't exactly 'dog friendly' for some reason.




I lived in the area (now Northpark), taught at one of those schools mentioned, and have eaten at that Mountain Mikes. Your friends are wise.
 
2009-08-15 03:15:01 AM
HempHead: 40 watt range: @Jeff73. I was born in 1980. I sold a 30-30 to my debate coach in the parking lot after school. This was in 1998. I guess a few weeks later something happened that changed attitudes. I forget. Oh right Columbine.fark the school, props are fine, and screw you Skinny. If you know so much, teach.

I thought someone else bought their guns for them at a store. I don't recall them buying them in the school parking lot.



40 watt range: @Jeff73. I was born in 1980. I sold a 30-30 to my debate coach in the parking lot after school. This was in 1998. I guess a few weeks later something happened that changed attitudes. I forget. Oh right Columbine.fark the school, props are fine, and screw you Skinny. If you know so much, teach.


I can remember being 10 years old with a 24 gauge within arms reach and losing a fistfight with the neighbor kid in my own bedroom and thinking "man i'm going to hit the heavy bag like dad showed me and beat you up next time ronny."

But the Sullivans moved away and I never got closure. That happened years before I was a teenager yet somehow I don't remember ever shooting anyone.
 
2009-08-15 03:16:46 AM
If the students are not allowed to bring toy weapons, no one can be. That is the Equal Protection Clause in our Emancipation Proclomation.
 
2009-08-15 03:17:01 AM
Anyone else think it's supremely stupid to describe "confined to classroom" as a "school lockdown"?

Amerika the Beatutiful.
 
2009-08-15 03:17:45 AM
40 watt range: HempHead: 40 watt range: @Jeff73. I was born in 1980. I sold a 30-30 to my debate coach in the parking lot after school. This was in 1998. I guess a few weeks later something happened that changed attitudes. I forget. Oh right Columbine.fark the school, props are fine, and screw you Skinny. If you know so much, teach.

I thought someone else bought their guns for them at a store. I don't recall them buying them in the school parking lot.

What are you trying to crack wise about? I am not saying they bought them in a parking lot. I am saying that Columbine was the event that changed things. So that sales in parking lots in my case, or having a gun during hunting season in his case, became criminal.


It seems to me that making gun sales illegal in a school parking lot would have no impact on someone giving two teenagers guns any more than arresting a student caught with birth control pills reduces the sale of illegal narcotics in schools.

Its merely a knee jerk reaction by government officials to do something that has the appearance of dealing with a problem, but in actuality does nothing since actually dealing with the problem would make everyone uncomfortable and not get them re-elected.
 
2009-08-15 03:18:44 AM
Hack of all trades: DerekSD:

there is a roberto's just across the street from a 7-11. just before clairmont drive turns westward and downhill.
it was cheap and easy.
i wanted to hit mtn. mike's, but the other people in our pary talked me out of it. that shopping center isn't exactly 'dog friendly' for some reason.



I lived in the area (now Northpark), taught at one of those schools mentioned, and have eaten at that Mountain Mikes. Your friends are wise.


thanks!
i was in the mood for pizza. the only alternatives were a handful of taco shops, an italian joint that didn't have outside seating (couldn't have that with my pooches in tow), a buffet joint and two burger drive-thrus.

how bad is mtn. mikes, btw?
 
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