So even though it was just $200 to low income families to help with school supplies, but really had no stipulations, no contract, no anything, anyone who didn't use it buy school supplies committed fraud? Really?

Ya, this kind of newspaper report, really does nothing but incite hate against poor people. I wonder after the Bush tax cuts to the wealthy that were supposed to create jobs, that wound up creating nothing but larger bank accounts for rich people, if there was an article, that week about how rich people "committed fraud"

Animatronik: It's Me Bender: Nogale: Because so many of these kids are going to be taking calculus, right?



/and true

Sometimes learning to use a calculator or computer can get kids interested in math who wouldn't bother otherwise. It did something for me.

Yeah but once we figured out that 5318008 spelled BOOBIES if you held the calculator upside down, then what was left?

The_Sponge: Not this shiat again.

/Yesterday's thread almost gave me a stroke.

You said stroke

FilmBELOH20: NaziKamikaze: 40yoVirgin: The county reports that employees at the Wal-Mart store on Hudson Avenue called the Department of Human Services to say they thought welfare fraud was going on because there was a run on high-end electronics.

I guess $200 is "high-end" for electronics at a WalMart

If WalMart is allowing people to purchase non-foodstampable items with an EBT card, then it's their own damn fault. Learn to program a POS system. I could be entirely wrong because they now have EBT cash benefits, which is essentially cash to draw on for any purpose. Why they did that, I don't know.

/That's point of sale.
//Piece of shiat is often appropriate, though.

Why should Wal*Mart, or any retailer for that matter, be responsible for creating separate software for payment from welfare recipients? Howz about we audit some of these people on welfare and make them show receipts for the items they purchased?

LMAO. Get some perspective, clown. The cost to audit a poor person would be paid by YOU, the taxpayer. It's more evidence that most "Conservatives" aren't really worried about the cost of welfare. Hell, some of you even have enough sense to know that its not the financial drain on the country that you pretend it is. You all just don't like anything that you associate with minorities. Period. You don't like how they dress, you don't like their music, you don't like their cars or their stupid hair-dos, or the way in which they speak...and you use every thread that is in anyway about them to regurgitate all of your retarded, racist, logically unsound, talking points.

pd771: Why the hell didn't the schools just get the money and buy the stuff for the kids? Could have gotten bulk rates and no questions would have to be asked about abuse. Obviously the politicians wanted the boost of telling people they got them money.

Let the school system handle it and hundreds of thousands of dollars would disappear in administrative costs and overhead. So it's a question of who do you give it to to waste? The school administrators or the poor who don't have sense enough to spend it wisely?

I say make it like the WIC program with specific vouchers for specific items, notebooks, pencils, paper, etc. Someone would inevitably turn up with a counterfit Madden 10 voucher.

Most poor people are poor because their priorities are in the wrong order. Ah, I know what your gonna say. If those poor people could work and support themselves, they would. OK, give them a government job. There are lots of things that the government pays skilled workers to do that don't require any skills at all. There is no such thing as a "Sanitation Engineer". A trash man is a trash man. Let em clean up and beautify the roadsides and EARN their keep.

FLAME ON!

Now there are many who have had rough luck and need welfare but I think we can agree that even if they majority of welfare recipients aren't abusing it they are in that demographic due to some degree of not being able to manage their money. Giving them $200 to spend on whatever because they have children is a terrible idea. In theory it stimulates the economy but if they spend it on alcohol or illegal substances your only fueling a pretty recession proof market. You could assume that through illegal drugs the money eventually makes it back into the market but I think the idea is to give goods to the kids while supporting a recession susceptible market.

Vouchers or something a little more controllable then cash would have been better

DROxINxTHExWIND: Hermione_Granger: dr.zaeus Quote 2009-08-14 11:29:14 AM
Isn't it $200 per kid? If so, then you could easily rack up over a grand with enough chillins.

you and the rest of the bigots in this thread disgust me

This.

I don't know why these dipshiats are saying anything. They'd be doing the exact same thing if cash came their way. I'm sure they'd like to think they are any different.

MadAsshatter:
On one hand, it's really hip for middle class white kids to act like they understand the plight of poor people and to dictate whats best for them while claiming to make a difference by volunteering other people's money to get the job done.

Post Of The Day award to you, good sir. This is why I come to Fark. Where else can you find such high-quality incisive sarcasm?

SpwimmingInNY: Also a run on SKRIMPS?

DROxINxTHExWIND:

2. I don't play the stupid game. We can all be pretty sure of what was implied...specifically because NEW YORK isn't in the south.

It is if you are in Canada.

Flogster: pd771: Flogster: This entire thread aggrevates me . . .

You may not be collecting welfare cheques, but I GUARANTEE every person in this thread makes poor choices with their money EVERYDAY.

/Did you buy broccoli or booze?
//Big screen TV or invest for your retirment?
///I'm no better, but at least I'm aware

Yes, but most here did it with their own money. I think when you are receiving help you are obligated to follow the conditions laid out.

So the poor are not allowed to treat themeselves? They must live a life of servitude, forever grateful what little money they have to put food on their tables and nothing else? Why should we even call them poor, why not call them serfs?

They are allowed to treat themselves. The problem is they aren't treating themselves if they use gov't money to do it. We are treating them.

FilmBELOH20: NaziKamikaze: 40yoVirgin: The county reports that employees at the Wal-Mart store on Hudson Avenue called the Department of Human Services to say they thought welfare fraud was going on because there was a run on high-end electronics.

I guess $200 is "high-end" for electronics at a WalMart

If WalMart is allowing people to purchase non-foodstampable items with an EBT card, then it's their own damn fault. Learn to program a POS system. I could be entirely wrong because they now have EBT cash benefits, which is essentially cash to draw on for any purpose. Why they did that, I don't know.

/That's point of sale.
//Piece of shiat is often appropriate, though.

Why should Wal*Mart, or any retailer for that matter, be responsible for creating separate software for payment from welfare recipients? Howz about we audit some of these people on welfare and make them show receipts for the items they purchased?

Because it's law to follow foodstampable/tax guidelines on products, and only the retailer can do that. Any POS system has this ability, but you have to employ it. If you are allowing people to use an EBT card as tender on a TV, that's your damn fault. If this is EBT cash benefits, as I said, then it's a different story.

Your idea has way more overhead and would be too complicated.

DROxINxTHExWIND: LMAO. Get some perspective, clown. The cost to audit a poor person would be paid by YOU, the taxpayer. It's more evidence that most "Conservatives" aren't really worried about the cost of welfare. Hell, some of you even have enough sense to know that its not the financial drain on the country that you pretend it is. You all just don't like anything that you associate with minorities. Period. You don't like how they dress, you don't like their music, you don't like their cars or their stupid hair-dos, or the way in which they speak...and you use every thread that is in anyway about them to regurgitate all of your retarded, racist, logically unsound, talking points.

Right on.

If you are unhappy that people are taking advantage of a system that is supposed to be for poor to get school supplies and would like something to be done about it so they don't squander the money you are a racist.

paket: MadAsshatter:
On one hand, it's really hip for middle class white kids to act like they understand the plight of poor people and to dictate whats best for them while claiming to make a difference by volunteering other people's money to get the job done.

Post Of The Day award to you, good sir. This is why I come to Fark. Where else can you find such high-quality incisive sarcasm?

So, middle-class white kids don't pay taxes? How is it someone else's money?

MoparPower: pd771: tricycleracer: stuhayes2010: HulkHands: Is a $100 graphic calculator "high-end?"


In my day, yes.

TI-85 FTW!

Not as good as my TI-89 baby!

Pfft TI-81 FTW
Off lawn wippersnappers


Damn kids and their Rock'n'Roll these days!

Back in my day all we had was the TI-81 and we were happy to have that!

DROxINxTHExWIND: LMAO. Get some perspective, clown. The cost to audit a poor person would be paid by YOU, the taxpayer. It's more evidence that most "Conservatives" aren't really worried about the cost of welfare.

Of course they're not.

Paying crazy amounts of money to try and solve what's really a 90/10 problem is always A-OK, as long as it fits nicely into certain ideologies and lets them think they sticking it to those evil, undeserving people while being all "zero tolerance!!!1!!!"

NaziKamikaze: DROxINxTHExWIND: Hermione_Granger: dr.zaeus Quote 2009-08-14 11:29:14 AM
Isn't it $200 per kid? If so, then you could easily rack up over a grand with enough chillins.

you and the rest of the bigots in this thread disgust me

This.

I don't know why these dipshiats are saying anything. They'd be doing the exact same thing if cash came their way. I'm sure they'd like to think they are any different.

And your point is?

That we should all be looking for free gubmint money?
Hooray! It's free money time!!

"When the people discover that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

give me doughnuts: WrestlerManager: Rapmaster2000:

This. I'm sick and tired of these teachers living the high life. Did you know that starting teacher pay is something like $25,000 a year? That kind of money is outrageous!

In Wisconsin, median public school teacher pay is $50,000.00. Two teachers marry and that's a six figure family income. Plus thanks to WEAC (the most powerful union in the state) they have 100% free medical coverage with no premiums, no deductibles and no co-pay.

My heart bleeds for the poor teachers.

Go get a Master's degree, take a few more semesters of education courses and student teaching, and then work for 10 to 15 years and you too can be making that sweet kind of bank.

Never said they didn't have to work hard to get there. Simply trying to belie the myth that teachers (in Wisconsin, at least) live at or below the poverty level.

YRThereSchool: orat-on-a-stick

Do you have any knowledge of how public school funding works? Or are you just here on your day off or something?

You're an idiot.

Public schools get their budget from the state and the Federal government. The government looks at the average income of the parents of a school to determine how much to fund a school. This offsets any "durr hurr they pay more taxes" nonsense.

I'm saying the district allocates certain programs to certain areas then sit back and wonder why the areas they screw financially perform poorly.

For fark's sake man, at least read a wikipedia entry or something.


hmmm
liam76 said;

Cause you were a bunch of criminals?

I said;

They pay more taxes?


You called me an idiot and everyone else down the thread who called you on your taxes called you an idiot.

how about instead of lashing out, and being an ass, the first thing you maybe should say is.

Federal, state, and local taxes EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD so that is not an issue.

Maybe if you got out of your mother's basement and socialized with 'real live' people instead of spending all day online, you could get some people skills and not be so demeaning at first shot.

Rapmaster2000: LemSkroob: Debeo Summa Credo: pd771: Why the hell didn't the schools just get the money and buy the stuff for the kids? Could have gotten bulk rates and no questions would have to be asked about abuse. Obviously the politicians wanted the boost of telling people they got them money.

This. Don't public schools provide students with what they need?

No. the students get shafted when it comes to supplies.

The teachers unions reps and principals union, and administrators, however, are doing quite nicely.

This. I'm sick and tired of these teachers living the high life. Did you know that starting teacher pay is something like $25,000 a year? That kind of money is outrageous!

Don't generalize too much. My gf made 45 last year, right out of college, english major, no background, thrown right into the fire at a spicy high school

Zed-ex: Giving them $200 to spend on whatever because they have children is a terrible idea.

So remind me why we have the mortgage income deduction and tax exemptions for rich people's kids, again?

liam76: DROxINxTHExWIND: LMAO. Get some perspective, clown. The cost to audit a poor person would be paid by YOU, the taxpayer. It's more evidence that most "Conservatives" aren't really worried about the cost of welfare. Hell, some of you even have enough sense to know that its not the financial drain on the country that you pretend it is. You all just don't like anything that you associate with minorities. Period. You don't like how they dress, you don't like their music, you don't like their cars or their stupid hair-dos, or the way in which they speak...and you use every thread that is in anyway about them to regurgitate all of your retarded, racist, logically unsound, talking points.

Right on.

If you are unhappy that people are taking advantage of a system that is supposed to be for poor to get school supplies and would like something to be done about it so they don't squander the money you are a racist.

Right on. Those are exactly the people who I was speaking of...the folks who are only worried about the cost. In other news, "wanting something to be done about it" is now called making derogatory comments on-line.

So what happens next year if they decide to cancel this program? How will people react?

NaziKamikaze: DROxINxTHExWIND: Hermione_Granger: dr.zaeus Quote 2009-08-14 11:29:14 AM
Isn't it $200 per kid? If so, then you could easily rack up over a grand with enough chillins.

you and the rest of the bigots in this thread disgust me

This.

I don't know why these dipshiats are saying anything. They'd be doing the exact same thing if cash came their way. I'm sure they'd like to think they are any different.

I am different! I work for a living and I don't irresponsibly turn my wife's vagina into a clown car that spits out little mouths that need to be fed and bodies that need clothes! I try to do the right thing and not stick my hand out whenever the going gets a little tough! I cut back, I do without, until I can afford better! Passing out free money to most (not all) welfare recipients is like giving free crack to reformed addict! Idiots! Did they actually think anything different whould happen!?

That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

BigChad: MoparPower: pd771: tricycleracer: stuhayes2010: HulkHands: Is a $100 graphic calculator "high-end?"


In my day, yes.

TI-85 FTW!

Not as good as my TI-89 baby!

Pfft TI-81 FTW
Off lawn wippersnappers


Damn kids and their Rock'n'Roll these days!

Back in my day all we had was the TI-81 and we were happy to have that!

I was amazed to see that the graphing calcs still cost ~100 bucks at Best Buy the other day. I figured they'd be half that or less. Still only have half a MB of storage? What a scam

No way I was going to mess with anything that had "Texas" in its name. This was my calculator:

This is just a variation on the "second of the month club".

That's what some casinos called people collecting government benefits in the form of social security. They get the government check and head straight for the slots.

Happens in the restaurant biz, too. I once overheard a group excitedly thanking social security for the lobster they were about to receive.

They were not elderly.

Jevman:

Ya, this kind of newspaper report, really does nothing but incite hate against poor people. I wonder after the Bush tax cuts to the wealthy that were supposed to create jobs, that wound up creating nothing but larger bank accounts for rich people, if there was an article, that week about how rich people "committed fraud"

You know, I do not hate poor people. I do not even hate rich people. I am one of the many who are stuck in the middle. I did not get any tax cut from Bush. I got one "refund" of my taxes that ended up being taken back at the end of the year. The next one I actually got to keep. It was a REFUND of money that I paid to the Government. This $200.00 handout was just that. A handout. Charity to offset the cost of school supplies and clothing. I would wager that a lot ( maybe a majority) used it for that purpose. It angers me that money taken from me and redistributed to some one in New York seems to have been used for toys. I stated in the thread yesterday that I have just spent over $500.00 for school clothes and supplies for my grandkids. Why am I helping to buy toys for someone else?

the_rev: DROxINxTHExWIND: It's more evidence that most "Conservatives" aren't really worried about the cost of welfare. Hell, some of you even have enough sense to know that its not the financial drain on the country that you pretend it is. You all just don't like anything that you associate with minorities.

Some of us just really dislike wasteful government spending, and get really irked at the notion that our money is being mis-used by the people that it is being given to, regardless of whether they are minority or not.

But go ahead and throw that race card.

Don't you know that white people can't be poor? What's wrong with you?

dead_dangler: So what happens next year if they decide to cancel this program? How will people react?

They say Obama was born in Kenya...

the_rev: jehovahs witness protection: if you think about it, a welfare recipient that has 6 kids could have a field day at walmart.

Otherwise known as 'the first day of every month.'

i lol'd.

give me doughnuts: Hermione_Granger: dr.zaeus Quote 2009-08-14 11:29:14 AM
Isn't it $200 per kid? If so, then you could easily rack up over a grand with enough chillins.

you and the rest of the bigots in this thread disgust me

What's the spell for pulling the stick out of your ass?

I guffawed.

neanderthalman: I have never seen a need, use, or even benefit to graphing calculators.

If don't learn how to sketch a curve by hand, then you're never going to be able to understand how functions behave. It would be like giving calculators to first graders - they'd never learn how to add.

Kids need to learn it the hard way, before they learn the quick 'n dirty tricks and tools. This is partly why calculus starts out with limits, not derivatives.

The greatest benefit of the calculator, imho, is realized after the material is learned and understood. Once a person can do the work themselves and understands the math, the calculator is just a time-saver. Instead of plotting by hand, the person can do it in seconds on the calculator and-- this is important-- understand why each point is where it is. But there are undoubtedly way too many students that use them as magic boxes.

the_rev: Some of us just really dislike wasteful government spending, and get really irked at the notion that our money is being mis-used by the people that it is being given to, regardless of whether they are minority or not.

But go ahead and throw that race card.

The problem is that all this "stopping fraud!" business is largely a 90/10 problem. It makes sense to the do the obvious to prevent easy fraud, sure.

But when the supposed solutions are going to cost more than they'll save, or are crazy things like auditing poor people, or involving ever more levels of bureaucracy in what end up being futile attempts to stop every last cheater, it's NOT SAVING MONEY AT ALL.

The sensible pragmatic approach is to see where the cutoff is. If you're spending more to prevent loss than you're losing, then you're chasing at windmills. You will NEVER stop all cheaters. Never do it.

But usually people can be found to support any sort of crazy expensive plan, because they're NOT thinking logically at all - they're thinking "I don't like the idea that someone else is getting away with something." Add a few flamebait high profile cases that will be talked about endlessly on the radio to convince people that the majority of people are cheaters, and you can whip people into a froth in no time.

It's a visceral response, not coming from the brain.

I wonder what the total cost of this program was and how it compares to the amount that was handed over to the banks to "use wisely".

What's the corporate equivalent of a poor person buying a TV when they should be getting school supplies (ie: providing for their and their children's future)?

DROxINxTHExWIND: Right on. Those are exactly the people who I was speaking of...the folks who are only worried about the cost. In other news, "wanting something to be done about it" is now called making derogatory comments on-line.

It is Fark. What is he supposed to do start an on-line petition?

I thought everyone here made derogatory about things they don't like.

was there a run at the chicken shack too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyW6w5B7Aw

Animatronik: And your point is?

That we should all be looking for free gubmint money?
Hooray! It's free money time!!

"When the people discover that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

Since you failed to understand a very basic point that I made clearly, I will give you a pass on putting words in my mouth. Indeed, I REALLY meant to say let's vote for more money for the rest of us.

antique1960: I am different! I work for a living and I don't irresponsibly turn my wife's vagina into a clown car that spits out little mouths that need to be fed and bodies that need clothes! I try to do the right thing and not stick my hand out whenever the going gets a little tough! I cut back, I do without, until I can afford better! Passing out free money to most (not all) welfare recipients is like giving free crack to reformed addict! Idiots! Did they actually think anything different whould happen!?

That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I will also hold on to the fact that I can make ignorant, gross judgments about who I suppose you to be. Probably a closeted gay with mommy issues that drinks too much. I could be wrong.

WrestlerManager, give me doughnuts, WrestlerManager, Rapmaster2000

Go get a Master's degree, take a few more semesters of education courses and student teaching, and then work for 10 to 15 years and you too can be making that sweet kind of bank.

Never said they didn't have to work hard to get there. Simply trying to belie the myth that teachers (in Wisconsin, at least) live at or below the poverty level.

STARTING salary in the NY/NJ/CT area is $45k. And there are many programs that pay for the mED degrees. I have a bunch of teacher friends, they can assure you that the mEd degrees aren't that hard.

Meanwhile my starting salary was $22k while I went grad school. So cry me a river, seriously.

/making more now
//you chose to be a teacher, I didn't make you so stop complaining

trappedspirit: KidKorporate: Why aren't we paying these people to get their tubes tied?

You start the paypal trust fund, I'll get my credit card.

I'm on it. Did I also mention I'll also be opening up a chain of custom wheel and jewelry stores? You can still get in on the ground level of this one!

YRThereSchool: Do you have any knowledge of how public school funding works? Or are you just here on your day off or something?

You're an idiot.

Public schools get their budget from the state and the Federal government. The government looks at the average income of the parents of a school to determine how much to fund a school. This offsets any "durr hurr they pay more taxes" nonsense.

I'm saying the district allocates certain programs to certain areas then sit back and wonder why the areas they screw financially perform poorly.

For fark's sake man, at least read a wikipedia entry or something.

YRThereSchool -- Do you have any knowledge of how public school funding works? Are you aware that every state has different laws/funding? Are you aware that local districts might also have different laws/funding? Or are you just here on your day off or something? You're an idiot.

In Michigan, before "Proposal A" passed in 1994, most school funding came from property taxes. Now, with "Proposal A" in effect, property and other local taxes are still included in the funding funding, but the state provides 80% of te funding on a er-pupil basis (and most schools now have a lower budget than before). Michigan School Funding/Tax Policy

In other states, things are probably different and there are definitely some that still fund schools with property taxes (such as Illinois)