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2009-08-13 05:40:48 PM
What's sad about this? That farking slimeball got what he deserved, period. All this bullshiat about defense lawyers who can't do their farking jobs are concentrating more on doing a shiatty job of keeping an indefensible shiat stain out of his grave than about doing anything for the people he killed. Not in your name? Move out of Texas, you farksnot. This really pisses me off.
 
2009-08-13 06:06:16 PM
FTA: "As the court's logistics officer, Marty had called the judge at the behest of lawyers for Michael Richard, 49, who had been on death row for two decades and whose execution was scheduled for that evening. The lawyers were allegedly having computer trouble and problems getting last-minute paperwork to the Austin court."

Twenty years on death row, and then having problems getting paperwork to a judge three hours before execution? Perhaps his lawyers should be on trial for legal malpractice.
 
2009-08-13 08:32:41 PM
a friend of mine's daughter got arrested on saturday night for a charge that was cleared years ago, but somehow hadn't been taken off the books completely. my friend called the judge on sunday morning at like 6am, and within 2 hours the judge had the paperwork corrected and the friend's daughter released with a huge apology

i guess some judges are a little more attentive than others
 
2009-08-13 08:44:51 PM
Megain: i guess some judges are a little more attentive than others

If you read the whole story, she doesn't come off nearly as badly.

I am vigorously anti-death penalty. I am absolutely against it. However, given that it does occur, and that her role in this was just bureaucratic, she seems like a whipping boy more than a bad person, or even someone who acted badly. If the other case hadn't been filed (and it was ruled against, eventually) they wouldn't even have had this chance for appeal.

She got the budget for public defenders nearly tripled. How many guys have not had to rot in jail thanks to that?

I think condemnation of her for what, in the end, seems like a failure on the part of his lawyers is unfair.
 
2009-08-13 08:53:07 PM
Snarfangel:
Twenty years on death row, and then having problems getting paperwork to a judge three hours before execution? Perhaps his lawyers should be on trial for legal malpractice.



You stopped reading the article too early. The very day developmentally disabled murderer was due to be executed, the Supreme Court stayed an execution in Kentucky over whether lethal injection was cruel and unusual punishment. Since he was due to be executed in the same manner, they tried to get a similar stay. They had less than one day, not 20 years.
 
2009-08-13 08:56:39 PM
TFA: Soft-spoken and a devout Christian

Seriously, what does her religious belief have to do with this article and why would you set it up with that statement? It just made me not want to read on, which I didn't.
 
2009-08-13 08:57:47 PM
Snarfangel: FTA: "As the court's logistics officer, Marty had called the judge at the behest of lawyers for Michael Richard, 49, who had been on death row for two decades and whose execution was scheduled for that evening. The lawyers were allegedly having computer trouble and problems getting last-minute paperwork to the Austin court."

Twenty years on death row, and then having problems getting paperwork to a judge three hours before execution? Perhaps his lawyers should be on trial for legal malpractice.


No shiat. Plus, this is why the death penalty is not a deterrent. Kill people fast and effeciently and people will fear it.
 
2009-08-13 08:58:31 PM
Shouldn't have raped them white wimmin.
 
2009-08-13 08:59:50 PM
Was a death panel involved?
 
2009-08-13 09:01:16 PM
snuff3r: Seriously, what does her religious belief have to do with this article

Explain to me why any Christian should support the death penalty.
 
2009-08-13 09:01:38 PM
Obdicut: Megain: i guess some judges are a little more attentive than others

If you read the whole story, she doesn't come off nearly as badly.

I am vigorously anti-death penalty. I am absolutely against it. However, given that it does occur, and that her role in this was just bureaucratic, she seems like a whipping boy more than a bad person, or even someone who acted badly. If the other case hadn't been filed (and it was ruled against, eventually) they wouldn't even have had this chance for appeal.

She got the budget for public defenders nearly tripled. How many guys have not had to rot in jail thanks to that?

I think condemnation of her for what, in the end, seems like a failure on the part of his lawyers is unfair.


Agreed. She was thoroughly tarred and feathered by the local media, but it is more complicated than that.

The defense lawyers did indeed make many mistakes, such as contacting the completely wrong person to tell them they were bringing papers late and also not explaining who the papers were for or why.

Texas Monthly has a much better article on this. Keller is no peach and I have nothing in common with her views, but I don't think she's to blame for this fiasco.
 
2009-08-13 09:01:59 PM
Am I in time for the death penalty flamewar?
 
2009-08-13 09:02:34 PM
Sid_6.7: Explain to me why any Christian should support the death penalty.

Without it, all mankind would be eternally condemned to Hell for Original Sin.

;-)
 
2009-08-13 09:02:43 PM
Sid_6.7: snuff3r: Seriously, what does her religious belief have to do with this article

Explain to me why any Christian should support the death penalty.


It IS pretty olde-testament...
 
2009-08-13 09:02:54 PM
"This execution proceeded because the highest criminal court couldn't be bothered to stay an extra 20 minutes on the night of an execution,"

Isn't EVERY night an execution night in Texas?

When's a judge supposed to EAT!
 
2009-08-13 09:03:45 PM
Sid_6.7: Explain to me why any Christian should support the death penalty.

You do realize that Christian views are rather varied, don't you? You also realize that the Bible has never had a problem with killing, just murder?

That aside - respond to the first point.
 
2009-08-13 09:04:38 PM
The article also notes you can bring the paperwork to a judge, even if it's outside office hours. I call shenanigans if they couldn't find a competent judge in that county to sign the paperwork. Any lawyer worth his salt has a rolodex for emergencies like this.
 
2009-08-13 09:04:49 PM
For anyone who didn't read the article: the appeal was on the argument that lethal injection amounted to cruel and unusual punishment, not that the POS was innocent.
 
2009-08-13 09:05:41 PM
I'm against the death penalty in general, but it seems like this judge performed her job reasonably in accordance with the law.
 
2009-08-13 09:06:07 PM
The Court has an established protocol for filing a last minute appeal: You call the clerk's office and THEY stay open after 5pm. The the clerk forwards the appeal to the Justices for a decision. The actual court does not stay open after 5pm.

The particular lawyer in this case KNEW this protocol and had followed it in the past with a previous prisoner's appeal but this time he sent a 21 year old intern to file the appeal at 4:45pm without telling her about the after-hours protocol.

The lawyer is at fault, not the judge.
 
2009-08-13 09:06:16 PM
Sid_6.7: snuff3r: Seriously, what does her religious belief have to do with this article

Explain to me why any Christian should support the death penalty.


Here ya go. (new window)

/Not Christian
//For Death Penalty
 
2009-08-13 09:08:09 PM
Sid_6.7: snuff3r: Seriously, what does her religious belief have to do with this article

Explain to me why any Christian should support the death penalty.


Old Testament "eye for an eye" ring any bells?
 
2009-08-13 09:09:26 PM
Need_MindBleach: For anyone who didn't read the article: the appeal was on the argument that lethal injection amounted to cruel and unusual punishment, not that the POS was innocent.

Which is interesting. So, since the death penalty is codified in law maybe those who oppose it are doing everything possible to call any method of administering it "cruel and unusual".

Kind of the pussy way to do it.
 
2009-08-13 09:10:38 PM
Its grand to think that so many people think the (US) constitution applies only to specific situations, and how often it being ignored can be justified. For real justice, don't hand the judicial system over to people carrying burning torches and pitchforks.

/Staunchly opposes the death penalty!
//Has no such opposition to justice!
 
2009-08-13 09:11:52 PM
Trolly McTroll has caught many fish this evening.
 
2009-08-13 09:11:59 PM
haemaker: The very day developmentally disabled murderer was due to be executed, the Supreme Court stayed an execution in Kentucky over whether lethal injection was cruel and unusual punishment. Since he was due to be executed in the same manner, they tried to get a similar stay. They had less than one day, not 20 years.

Bullshiat. The court announced the fall schedule 10 weeks in advance and this Kentucky cases was the first one scheduled. Everyone knew what was happening in the Kentucky case 2 months before it happend. Any competent attorney would have had the appeal prepared well in advance of the fall session. All they needed to do was copy-and-paste from the Kentucky case.
 
2009-08-13 09:13:44 PM
In 1986, two months after being released from his second prison term, Richard killed Marguerite Lucille Dixon, 53, a nurse and mother of seven. Dixon had invited him in for a cold glass of water after Richard had knocked on her front door and asked if her van was for sale. Two of her children found her. She had been sexually assaulted before being killed, and her van and television were stolen.

Too bad Richard wasn't too concerned with Mrs. Dixon's rights to "due process" and suffering "cruel and unusual punishment" when he raped and murdered her.
 
2009-08-13 09:13:50 PM
It seems there's no debate about who the perpetrator of this crime was, what was actually done and when he did it.

FARK him, he gets what he deserves, retarded or not.
 
2009-08-13 09:13:51 PM
Need_MindBleach: For anyone who didn't read the article: the appeal was on the argument that lethal injection amounted to cruel and unusual punishment, not that the POS was innocent.

If it's good enough to put down a sick pet, it's good enough for a rabid animal.

If anything is cruel, keeping a defective animal locked in a cage for 20 years is. Apparently we feel the law is good enough to put people into a concrete box till they die of natural causes (or getting shanked in the yard) but ending their lives in a relatively quick and painless manor is uncivilized.

Few on the anti-DP team will admit it, but they want the worst of our prisoners to suffer. The prison stay IS the cruel and unusual punishment, and they want to make sure they stay around to enjoy it as long as possible.
 
2009-08-13 09:14:07 PM
ronaprhys: Which is interesting. So, since the death penalty is codified in law maybe those who oppose it are doing everything possible to call any method of administering it "cruel and unusual".

There really is no kind way to kill someone who doesn't want to die.

Not to mention that it's a constant strain and stain on the medical profession.
 
2009-08-13 09:16:12 PM
stevec2usa: In 1986, two months after being released from his second prison term, Richard killed Marguerite Lucille Dixon, 53, a nurse and mother of seven. Dixon had invited him in for a cold glass of water after Richard had knocked on her front door and asked if her van was for sale. Two of her children found her. She had been sexually assaulted before being killed, and her van and television were stolen.

Too bad Richard wasn't too concerned with Mrs. Dixon's rights to "due process" and suffering "cruel and unusual punishment" when he raped and murdered her.


To be fair, he did honestly state the purpose of his visit, which was to acquire the van.

Window seat, please.
 
2009-08-13 09:16:19 PM
Jory: Sid_6.7: snuff3r: Seriously, what does her religious belief have to do with this article

Explain to me why any Christian should support the death penalty.

Old Testament "eye for an eye" ring any bells?


If you want to get all religious about it, Jesus pretty much said the rules of the Old Testament don't apply. He made a new covenant with his followers, and that's why we have the New Testament. It's also why Christians don't follow passover, eat previously deemed "unclean" meats, and take communion.
 
2009-08-13 09:16:36 PM
We should just give Texas its own nationhood. Oh and no mutual defense pact unless they clean up their human rights record. We do that of other third world countries.
 
2009-08-13 09:17:13 PM
Lamune_Baba: Few on the anti-DP team will admit it, but they want the worst of our prisoners to suffer. The prison stay IS the cruel and unusual punishment, and they want to make sure they stay around to enjoy it as long as possible.

No, this is a false characterization.

I want people to not be killed mainly because we'll execute the wrong guy, frequently. Far too frequently for anyone to be comfortable with.

Many of the same people who oppose the death penalty-- like me-- oppose prison being a punishment. Punishment is a ridiculous concept. It doesn't work. It doesn't work to prevent recidivism, it doesn't make anyone actually feel any better, it costs a farking fortune. Rehabilitation, on the other hand, can actually achieve things.

So many of the same people who want to end the death penalty want prisons to stop being training groups for criminals, and instead rehabilitate prisoners, offer them a life other than crime and prison.

Unfortunately, the prison lobby is massive, and prisons bring a lot of money to the places they're in. Very, very few people have the guts to challenge it.

Obama doesn't.
 
2009-08-13 09:17:36 PM
bambi121899: Am I in time for the death penalty flamewar?

i'm for the summary execution of all who support the death penalty
 
2009-08-13 09:19:02 PM
Obdicut: There really is no kind way to kill someone who doesn't want to die.

www.whowouldkickass.com

If you gotta go, go with a smile.
 
2009-08-13 09:20:27 PM
Sid_6.7: snuff3r: Seriously, what does her religious belief have to do with this article Explain to me why any Christian should support the death penalty.
============================================

God killed people for every goddamn reason imaginable. Ranging from 'because they didn't worship me enough' to 'They called some prophet a baldy' to 'I just felt like killing them'

Christians and republicans are the biggest death penalty supporters!
 
2009-08-13 09:22:43 PM
This should not be happening, because there should not be any civilian capital punishment, and those serving life sentences and their counsel should have as long as necessary to review the case for factual and procedural errors. Because of the inherent propensity for errors, justice should only happen at the point of a gun when it is necessary, and it is not necessary to kill those who have been incarcerated.
 
2009-08-13 09:23:15 PM
TheWhoppah: haemaker: The very day developmentally disabled murderer was due to be executed, the Supreme Court stayed an execution in Kentucky over whether lethal injection was cruel and unusual punishment. Since he was due to be executed in the same manner, they tried to get a similar stay. They had less than one day, not 20 years.

Bullshiat. The court announced the fall schedule 10 weeks in advance and this Kentucky cases was the first one scheduled. Everyone knew what was happening in the Kentucky case 2 months before it happend. Any competent attorney would have had the appeal prepared well in advance of the fall session. All they needed to do was copy-and-paste from the Kentucky case.


Furthermore, as the article later mentions, the Kentucky cases were later upheld as well. He still would have been executed, just 8 months later.

haemaker, I think you too may have stopped reading the article too early.
 
2009-08-13 09:24:48 PM
She's a heartless biatch.

She can choose any reason she wants, she choose not to, and that was a heartless action.
 
2009-08-13 09:24:53 PM
EmmaLou: Jory: Sid_6.7: snuff3r: Seriously, what does her religious belief have to do with this article

Explain to me why any Christian should support the death penalty.

Old Testament "eye for an eye" ring any bells?

If you want to get all religious about it, Jesus pretty much said the rules of the Old Testament don't apply. He made a new covenant with his followers, and that's why we have the New Testament. It's also why Christians don't follow passover, eat previously deemed "unclean" meats, and take communion.


But they do selectively quote a badly-translated conglomeration of books whenever it suits their purposes.

I don't know enough about this one way or another to take an opinion. I'm not against the death penalty, but there has to be a damned good reason to kill someone - an obvious, persistent evil to society that shouldn't be allowed to roam and can't be rehabilitated. I do believe we apply the death penalty far too often, on far too little evidence, and disproportionately based on the defendant's ability to afford legal counsel or political pull. So, I have some natural revulsion at the apparently callous nature of her decision.

Whatever repair was being made at her house, I hope it was worth it.
 
2009-08-13 09:25:49 PM
Obdicut: Lamune_Baba: Few on the anti-DP team will admit it, but they want the worst of our prisoners to suffer. The prison stay IS the cruel and unusual punishment, and they want to make sure they stay around to enjoy it as long as possible.

No, this is a false characterization.

I want people to not be killed mainly because we'll execute the wrong guy, frequently. Far too frequently for anyone to be comfortable with.

Many of the same people who oppose the death penalty-- like me-- oppose prison being a punishment. Punishment is a ridiculous concept. It doesn't work. It doesn't work to prevent recidivism, it doesn't make anyone actually feel any better, it costs a farking fortune. Rehabilitation, on the other hand, can actually achieve things.

So many of the same people who want to end the death penalty want prisons to stop being training groups for criminals, and instead rehabilitate prisoners, offer them a life other than crime and prison.

Unfortunately, the prison lobby is massive, and prisons bring a lot of money to the places they're in. Very, very few people have the guts to challenge it.

Obama doesn't.


Rehabilitation? What this guy did doesn't deserve rehabilitation. If you want to hunt and prey on weak victims, then I see no problem in society banding together to hunt and kill you to protect themselves. They should have taken him out back and thrown him in a burning pit so that he could scream for a while until he died.
 
2009-08-13 09:25:51 PM
Jeng: She's a heartless biatch.

She can choose any reason she wants, she choose not to, and that was a heartless action.


Read the whole story.
 
2009-08-13 09:27:10 PM
Jory: Sid_6.7: snuff3r: Seriously, what does her religious belief have to do with this article

Explain to me why any Christian should support the death penalty.

Old Testament "eye for an eye" ring any bells?


You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:38-39, NRSV)
/Atheist
//Admirer of Jesus
 
2009-08-13 09:27:55 PM
Jeng: She's a heartless biatch.

She can choose any reason she wants, she choose not to, and that was a heartless action.


What's so hard to understand? Office hours end at 5. If you want something seen after that time you have to call a judge at home. Any lawyer worth anything is capable of this. The fact that they didn't get a judge on the phone after 5 is their fault, not the court's.
 
2009-08-13 09:28:06 PM
I banged your sister: Rehabilitation? What this guy did doesn't deserve rehabilitation. If you want to hunt and prey on weak victims, then I see no problem in society banding together to hunt and kill you to protect themselves. They should have taken him out back and thrown him in a burning pit so that he could scream for a while until he died.

Okay.

What punishment should you suffer for wanting to burn a helpless person in a pit?


You also missed that the point of rehabilitation wasn't for them. It was for society.
 
2009-08-13 09:29:41 PM
ronaprhys: You do realize that Christian views are rather varied, don't you? You also realize that the Bible has never had a problem with killing, just murder?

Normally I would not quote scripture, but here goes (and this is all from NIV):

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.

"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

He also told them this parable: "Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Luke 6:27-42

"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Matthew 5:38-42

But that was just Jesus talking, what did he know? Right? It's not like Christians should listen to him.
 
2009-08-13 09:31:20 PM
dkendr: What's sad about this? That farking slimeball got what he deserved, period. All this bullshiat about defense lawyers who can't do their farking jobs are concentrating more on doing a shiatty job of keeping an indefensible shiat stain out of his grave than about doing anything for the people he killed. Not in your name? Move out of Texas, you farksnot. This really pisses me off.

Yeah, God forbid, we should adhere to the rule of law.
 
2009-08-13 09:31:43 PM
let's just quit the Christian stuff before it starts. the death penalty has been part of human society since Cain and Abel.
 
2009-08-13 09:32:26 PM
Hamilton_G_Fantomas: Jory: Sid_6.7: snuff3r: Seriously, what does her religious belief have to do with this article

Explain to me why any Christian should support the death penalty.

Old Testament "eye for an eye" ring any bells?

You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:38-39, NRSV)
/Atheist
//Admirer of Jesus


I doubt he would have said "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you in old fishy, turn to him the brown eye, then let him kills ya.

/I know I know, I'm drunk and imagining Jebus saying things
 
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