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(Lancaster Eagle-Gazette)   Public schools forbidden from expelling special ed students, even if they try to kill the teacher   (lancastereaglegazette.com) divider line 160
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2003-03-03 06:41:10 PM  
Every single kid in my school when i was younger that was on ritalan was automaticly put in special ed....
 
2003-03-03 06:41:44 PM  
Ishidan: Don't forget the fact that parents are sending their otherwise normally-abled kids to school not knowing things like their colors, numbers, letters, how to dress themselves, how to behave, and, in some extreme cases, not knowing their own friggin' names (I am NOT kidding. My wife teaches Head Start, which Bush II is TOTALLY farking up).
 
2003-03-03 06:42:20 PM  
Ishidan,

I like that poem.

In other news, $20 says 50% of kids that are diagnosed with ADD are misdiagnosed just to keep them quiet in school. Any takers ont he bet?
 
2003-03-03 06:43:41 PM  
I just love how everyone you rips on the quality of teachers forgets basic economics and that the poor pay and amount of shiat teachers have to deal with means you're probably not going to qet the best and brightest.


//utility eductaion rant
 
2003-03-03 06:44:24 PM  
No takers, Bluezmasta Ritilin is mommy's little helper.
 
2003-03-03 06:44:29 PM  
I have seen many handicapped people become members of society. Maybe they end up as maids or janitors or working at the car wash, but they have pride in being able to work.

How does someone with the IQ of a turnip who needs the snot sucked out of his tracheotomy every 60 seconds get a job as a maid or janitor. Some handicapped kids deserve an education in a normal classroom, but not all.
 
2003-03-03 06:44:31 PM  
Bluezmasta

I'll take that action. I think you're wagering low, gotta be higher than 50%.
 
2003-03-03 06:44:40 PM  
everyone you = everyone who
 
2003-03-03 06:47:10 PM  
ReaperCow:

i agree, i'd say aroung 75-85%
 
2003-03-03 06:47:23 PM  
How the fark can someone not know their own name.
 
2003-03-03 06:47:51 PM  
Bluezmasta:
In other news, $20 says 50% of kids that are diagnosed with ADD are misdiagnosed just to keep them quiet in school. Any takers ont he bet?


Scary thought! I would love it if you were wrong. But I do not have the guts to take the bet.

That reminds me, when is Soma supposed to be available?
 
2003-03-03 06:48:39 PM  
Johnc98 Damn you. I am laughing so hard about that site, I'm crying. Funny as hell!!
 
2003-03-03 06:49:55 PM  
Order Soma on-line from a Mexican pharmacy (It's OTC there and they have no problemo shipping it to the US) $30.00 for a hundred tabs.
 
2003-03-03 06:50:35 PM  
Insane_Cellist

YAY time to bust out the anecdote!
One of my good friends works for the Boys and Girls club in Austin, TX. He's told me stories from first hand experience where he's had children come in from school completely unaware of their own names. Now these aren't mentally retarded kids mind you; their parents just never seemed to bother to tell them.

perhaps it is time we start the systematic castration.

on a completely unrelated threadjack - the security guys at the airport today stole my girlfriend's best pair of tweezers. now I ask you, what is a 90 pound white girl gonna do with a pair of tweezers?
 
2003-03-03 06:50:40 PM  
My school district started some inclusion shat in the elementary schools. My brother is in this class. Typical classes have 25 kids, his has 18. My brother and 5 others leave class a few hours a week for the Gifted program. And there's 6 average kids. Then there's 6 tards. His class has about 3 "teacher's aides" who are there to drag the speds along with the regular curriculum. Meanwhile, their lessons are all a half-hour longer to benefit these tards and he's missing out on a lot. They have an ice cream party after every book they read. The only good thing is the stories my brother comes home with. Thank God my brother is gifted; he's in 6th grade. I feel bad for some of these B- average kids in his class who are getting a watered-down 6th grade and going into junior high like this. Stupid retards.
 
2003-03-03 06:51:34 PM  
For many special ed students, school represents free day care. There are probably a few special-ed students that actually find it helpful, but the regulations don't allow schools to be selective.

It's interesting -- schools spend about 5-6 times as much on special-ed students while the non-handicapped suffer from high classroom enrollment, lack of text books, etc.

It's about time parents started protesting against the IDEA.
 
2003-03-03 06:52:02 PM  
This is from ADD.org in trying to justify pumping addictive drugs into children:

Stimulant drugs, such as Ritalin, Dexedrine, and Aderall when used with medical supervision, are usually considered quite safe. Although they can be addictive to teenagers and adults if misused, these medication are not addictive in children. They seldom make children "high" or jittery. Nor do they sedate the child. Rather, the stimulants help children control their hyperactivity, inattention, and other behaviors.

What a crock of S#!7. Not addictive to children. If these doctors were being funded by the local street corner crack pimp, I'll bet crack wouldn't be addictive to children either.

Ack...!
 
2003-03-03 06:53:21 PM  
Order Soma on-line from a Mexican pharmacy

My God! There really is a drug called soma! I thought I was just making an Aldous Huxley reference.
 
2003-03-03 06:55:50 PM  
Anyone know the name of that short story about the society were everyone was dumbed down to the lowest common denomiator throw heavy backbacks and earphones that screach to scramble your thoughts? It's on the tip of my brain, but it won't show itself.
 
2003-03-03 06:55:58 PM  
I have seen many handicapped people become members of society. Maybe they end up as maids or janitors or working at the car wash, but they have pride in being able to work.


And how!
 
2003-03-03 06:56:33 PM  
Do these parents just not speak to their kids?


And ReaperCow, their afraid she'll threaten to remove a splilter.
 
2003-03-03 06:57:26 PM  
Hold on a goddamn minute, Bluezmasta.
This thread's about tards, not ADD/ADHD, which is an acknowledged learning disability with a phisiological basis.

I have it, and I can tell you right now that stuff you're calling a 'crock of shiat' helped me survive on and actually get something from the all-must-fit-one-mold conveyor belt that is public school.

Yes, it has been abused in some cases, but it's a beneficial medication when used correctly. So back the fvck off.
 
2003-03-03 06:57:51 PM  
Bluezmasta
Harrison Burgeron I believe
 
2003-03-03 06:59:32 PM  
HeWhoHasNoName

you have it. I belive you. that's cool.
I'm glad the drugs helped.
but how many people do you think are misdiagnosed?
some kids are just full of pep.
 
2003-03-03 06:59:35 PM  
My kids came out normal, but had they not, I'd probably be one of the "asshat" parents fighting to keep their child in school, for two reasons:

1. School is free, daycare for a mentally/physically handicapped child is probably outrageously expensive.

2. It would make my child happy to be in class. Sorry, other parents, but if it makes my handicapped child happy to be in school, I'm going to do whatever I have to do to keep that going. Even if it negatively affects your child. Might not seem fair that your kid has to suffer for mine, but I never asked for a handicapped child, either.
 
2003-03-03 06:59:46 PM  
Even if a suspension is issued, the school district only has 10 days. This is because federal law protects the student's right to an education.

Don't the other students also have a right to an education -- and doesn't the teacher have a right to a safe workplace, insofar as possible when working with teenagers?

If the home education option is available, it should be used. The parents -- who presumably know how to control their child -- can then assist. Sounds like a win-win to me.
 
2003-03-03 07:00:45 PM  
asinine is merely an understatement...
 
2003-03-03 07:01:16 PM  
This isn't news. It's been like this for a long time. We may as well have a headline that says "On a clear day, the sky is blue."

Zenmaster:

"Gifted" people are, as far as I know, also considered special ed. At least it was this way when I was going through school. It's not just the mentally handicapped.
 
2003-03-03 07:02:19 PM  
in my school special-ed was for students who wouldn't do the work but the school didnt want to put up with them so they put them in special-ed and passed them on through
 
2003-03-03 07:02:52 PM  
 
2003-03-03 07:03:23 PM  
I know a guy that got stabbed in the leg by a sped student (in 1982)... he got fired for knocking the kid unconcious.
 
2003-03-03 07:03:31 PM  
Dexedrine is like clinical speed, when i was a wee little g my parents (under the school's request) put me on it, i stopped eating and sleeping i lost 20 pounds (i started at 120) and started passing out in school due to lack of sleep and food. to sugjest that this stuff is not dangerous on kids is total bullshiat.
 
2003-03-03 07:07:09 PM  
2. It would make my child happy to be in class. Sorry, other parents, but if it makes my handicapped child happy to be in school, I'm going to do whatever I have to do to keep that going. Even if it negatively affects your child. Might not seem fair that your kid has to suffer for mine, but I never asked for a handicapped child, either.

There's a phrase, your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.

Clearly, somebody rewrote that when I wasn't looking, because the fist of parents who think like this is frequently intersecting with the nose of the parents of sharp kids, and the government is calling it the right thing. No, dammit, you do NOT have the right to make others suffer so that YOU can feel good!

My God! There really is a drug called soma! I thought I was just making an Aldous Huxley reference.
So did I. A gramme is better than a damn.
 
2003-03-03 07:07:25 PM  

03-03-03 06:50:35 PM ReaperCow
on a completely unrelated threadjack - the security guys at the airport today stole my girlfriend's best pair of tweezers. now I ask you, what is a 90 pound white girl gonna do with a pair of tweezers?


Ask her 5th grade teacher for another pair?
 
2003-03-03 07:09:58 PM  
Zzeuss:

ha ha, quite the funny.
 
2003-03-03 07:11:05 PM  
Zzeuss:
::rimshot::
 
2003-03-03 07:11:55 PM  
I say lock them up in a sanitarium. Save taxpayers some money and keep them from hurting anyone. They will never grow up to be anything but a huge burden to society.
 
2003-03-03 07:12:47 PM  
This is what happens when you start taking money from the feds. Pretty soon they're calling the shots if you want your pittance. If I were on a school board, I'd be pushing for telling them to stick their dough where the sun don't shine. By the time you eliminate all the crap that they mandate, you'd probably be saving money.
 
2003-03-03 07:20:14 PM  
Tourney3p0:
"Gifted" people are, as far as I know, also considered special ed. At least it was this way when I was going through school. It's not just the mentally handicapped.

We had 5 tiers when I was going through school, from "gifted and talented" on down to "special ed." No matter which tier you were in, you got picked on by every kid who was in a different tier. Those of us who had classes in 2 different tiers pretty much went through hell.
 
2003-03-03 07:21:56 PM  
i really expected more than 1 picture of a retard on this page.
 
2003-03-03 07:25:37 PM  
I used to be a substitute teacher in the Los Angeles Unified School District. The vast majority of special ed students were merely discipline problems warehoused into the special ed program because other teachers were tired of them disrupting their classes. I had never seen a student who was severly physically or emotionally handicapped in any special ed class. Just some bad a$$ kids whose parents didn't want to take responsibility for them.
 
2003-03-03 07:26:58 PM  
03-03-03 06:57:26 PM HeWhoHasNoName

fvck me? Just because you've been told you whole life that all of your screwups are ADHD's fault and your a perfect angel doesn't make it so. Even just twenty years ago you would have been called hyperactive and you'd make it through school and lead a normal life. Now they pump you full of drugs and tell you that it's not your fault your an out of control brat, and then you spent you teenage years in the slow transition from presciption drugs to rec. drugs and repeat the process as again everyone has a disorder, and they never have to take responsibility for their lousy actions.

Just my two cents. not trying to tread jack, just going along the lines of the whole messed up school system theme.
 
2003-03-03 07:28:09 PM  
 
2003-03-03 07:28:16 PM  
DaSeed: Just some bad a$$ kids whose parents didn't want to take responsibility for them.

And therein lies the problem.

Parent: "Little Johnny isn't violent, he has a learning disability."
Teacher: "Yes, he seems to be unable to learn that beating the other kids up is unacceptable behavior."
Parent: "It's not? Oh, of course it's not. But little Johnny wouldn't do that. He's just frustrated because he has a learning disability."
Teacher: "Apparently, it's hereditary."
 
2003-03-03 07:29:03 PM  
03-03-03 07:02:52 PM Burn98

Harrison Burgeron


You rock thank you. I couldn't think of it to save my soul.
 
2003-03-03 07:43:37 PM  
Keep these kids off the methylphenidate (Ritilin)!
If the mother f.ucking parents have got a problem with their children being loud and obnoxious (like kids do) TAKE A F.UCKING VALIUM!!

Valium. The origianal "Mothers Little Helper"
 
2003-03-03 07:46:51 PM  
There are no dangerous retards.
 
2003-03-03 07:51:49 PM  
Bluezmasta:

ArmadilloTamer provided the answer. I just took the answer and did a search to provide a link.
 
2003-03-03 08:01:15 PM  
They already get all the best parking spaces.. those bastards
 
2003-03-03 08:16:21 PM  
The government does not try to legislate personal responsibility. It attempts to remove personal choice, and the personal responsibility that goes with it.

True, but remember it's the stupid people who make stupid choices and hurth themselves that cause these things to be. Rather than accept personal responsibility, they sue, and the system allows them to sue and companies settle to avoid bad publicity. As such, these things are legislated because people are killing themselves, or worse remaining alive, and it is costing a lot of money to deal with.

The reason seat belt laws exist is because people who get into accidents and don't wear seat belts expect to be taken care of instead of left on the road to die. And this costs money.

Here's a good seat belt law- you don't have to wear a seat belt. But if you get into an accident and your injuries are caused by a lack of a seat belt, you have the money up front or you are left to die. Any takers?
 
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