Wise_Guy: it's not as if the Yankees hit, then they travel to the opposing teams park to let the other team hit.

As if Sox vs Yankee games weren't long enough already

GimpyNip: Wise_Guy: it's not as if the Yankees hit, then they travel to the opposing teams park to let the other team hit.

As if Sox vs Yankee games weren't long enough already

It's really unbelievable how long they go.

Has anyone figured out why a 9 inning game, with maybe two relievers each cannot be completed between these two teams in less than 3 and a half hours?

Wise_Guy: Has anyone figured out why a 9 inning game, with maybe two relievers each cannot be completed between these two teams in less than 3 and a half hours?

I don't know but I remember during the 15 inning game thinking, "Hmm, only 1hr 10 mins through 5. They'll set a record for quickest game ever between the two" and then it went on for 10 more innings!

Wise_Guy: GimpyNip: Wise_Guy: it's not as if the Yankees hit, then they travel to the opposing teams park to let the other team hit.

As if Sox vs Yankee games weren't long enough already

It's really unbelievable how long they go.

Has anyone figured out why a 9 inning game, with maybe two relievers each cannot be completed between these two teams in less than 3 and a half hours?

Patient hitters. Both teams actively seek them out. Nuff said.

kevljo: I didn't say anything about win/loss records. In fact, in the post I was typing when you posted that, I distinctly mention home runs. A team can hit 85,000 home runs in a season and not win a game. My gripe is with the home runs, and only the home runs.

It's not my arguement and all of that, but I'm pretty sure you assertion is patently false.

It isn't the number of runs you score in a game that wins the game. It is the number of runs you score in relation to the number of runs your opponent scores. If they hit 85,000 home runs but their opponents outscore them in every game, then it doesn't matter that they hit 85,000 home runs, they finished the season without a win.

Wise_Guy: I'm guessing they use the same criteria to judge home runs at every park, so to question their method seems silly.

Did you not see where someone mentioned that they were allowed to build it to the same dimensions as the old stadium?

Whomever the Yankees play get the benefit of that same wall-- it's not as if the Yankees hit, then they travel to the opposing teams park to let the other team hit.

It is silly, but I judge a ball that hits the wall at 314 feet a 314 foot hit.

And, again, I am not concerned with wins/losses. The game of baseball is such that both teams play in the same park when they play each other. It doesn't matter if it is a Little League park or The Great American Ballpark. When they show up on game day, they are playing on the same field. Where it comes into play is when you have a team hitting a disproportionate amount of home-runs in their home field. I'm a stats guy. At the heart of it, stats don't mean a thing, but players as individuals are judged by their stats when it comes to history. I don't mind seeing someone who can hit a lot of home runs in any park in the nation hit a lot of home runs. I do mind when a team as a whole hits a ton of home runs in their home stadium and a normal amount of home runs on the road. It doesn't change the game itself, but it changes the sanctity of it as surely as steroids or spitballs.

And, yes, I did see where someone pointed out that the stadium was granted a waiver. They changed the dimensions of the park, though. The new outfield has over 1000 square feet less space, and in some places it is almost 10 feet shorter from home plate to the fence.

GimpyNip: Scruffinator: Can somebody explain this sentence? I can't seem to wrap my mind around it.

It means his suspension doesn't begin until there is a ruling on the appeal.

Pitchers should be suspended per start, not per game. If a pitcher gets a 5 or 10 game suspension that means they miss maybe one or two starts, they should be suspended starts, not just games played, maybe then they would quit being such pussies.

mainstreet62: Wise_Guy:

That shopped pic of the judo move is epic. Did you make that?

Yeah someone posted the judo pic in the beginning of the thread.

I realized after I had posted that I should have changed the guy's name, so here it is, and thanks for giving me an opportunity to post the 'better' version:

why the hell did the pitcher get five games?

Cheops: why the hell did the pitcher get five games?

Because it equals out to 1 start. And for making Youkilis look like a fool.



Porcello gets a 1 start suspension for fighting. Youkilis gets a 5 Game suspension for Fighting and Losing.

The pitcher should be suspended 5 starts

Al!: kevljo: I didn't say anything about win/loss records. In fact, in the post I was typing when you posted that, I distinctly mention home runs. A team can hit 85,000 home runs in a season and not win a game. My gripe is with the home runs, and only the home runs.

It's not my arguement and all of that, but I'm pretty sure you assertion is patently false.

It isn't the number of runs you score in a game that wins the game. It is the number of runs you score in relation to the number of runs your opponent scores. If they hit 85,000 home runs but their opponents outscore them in every game, then it doesn't matter that they hit 85,000 home runs, they finished the season without a win.

Wise_Guy: I'm guessing they use the same criteria to judge home runs at every park, so to question their method seems silly.

Did you not see where someone mentioned that they were allowed to build it to the same dimensions as the old stadium?

Whomever the Yankees play get the benefit of that same wall-- it's not as if the Yankees hit, then they travel to the opposing teams park to let the other team hit.

It is silly, but I judge a ball that hits the wall at 314 feet a 314 foot hit.

And, again, I am not concerned with wins/losses. The game of baseball is such that both teams play in the same park when they play each other. It doesn't matter if it is a Little League park or The Great American Ballpark. When they show up on game day, they are playing on the same field. Where it comes into play is when you have a team hitting a disproportionate amount of home-runs in their home field. I'm a stats guy. At the heart of it, stats don't mean a thing, but players as individuals are judged by their stats when it comes to history. I don't mind seeing someone who can hit a lot of home runs in any park in the nation hit a lot of home runs. I do mind when a team as a whole hits a ton of home runs in their home stadium and a normal amount of home runs on the road. It doesn't change the game itself, but it changes the sanctity of it as surely as steroids or spitballs.

And, yes, I did see where someone pointed out that the stadium was granted a waiver. They changed the dimensions of the park, though. The new outfield has over 1000 square feet less space, and in some places it is almost 10 feet shorter from home plate to the fence.

Stats guy? Okay. Just use one of the many, many stats that normalize for park impact. OPS+ is a good start.

Also, significantly less than half the difference between Yankee Stadium homers last year and Yankee Stadium homers this year have gone out to that one spot in right center. The fence is the same as it was in left, I believe.

The difference is more than "The Yankees moved the fence in and down!" There are significant air flow issues as well. I've heard it proposed that the grandstand is lower, creating less of a wall and more of a slope to allow wind to blow out to right center. But no one really knows.

Here's what I want to know:

Youkilis vs. Mota. Who would win?

To me the thing that's most striking about this thread and last night's is how much robsul likes saying "b*tch".

Lifeless: Here's what I want to know:

Youkilis vs. Mota. Who would win?

Depends on how high his tolerance is, type of equipment used, if he's been drinking, etc...

Lifeless: Here's what I want to know:

Youkilis vs. Pretty much anybody. Who would win?

Youkilis would lose.

Wise_Guy: mainstreet62: Wise_Guy:

That shopped pic of the judo move is epic. Did you make that?

Yeah someone posted the judo pic in the beginning of the thread.

I realized after I had posted that I should have changed the guy's name, so here it is, and thanks for giving me an opportunity to post the 'better' version:

Doing the Lord's work.

He gets plunked a bunch and does nothing till the 19 year old rookie does it then gets punked by said kid.

What a dick move to go after a kid espescially when your team was the first to throw at the Tigers.

Big dig aint the only huge hole in Boston

rorypk: He gets plunked a bunch and does nothing till the 19 year old rookie does it then gets punked by said kid.

What a dick move to go after a kid espescially when your team was the first to throw at the Tigers.

Big dig aint the only huge hole in Boston

I take it you didn't watch the game. How did Youk get punked or beat up for that matter? If Youk would've swung at Porcello the suspension would've been double or maybe triple than what he got.

Stryyder: THT: What was it like getting the rings earlier this month?

Youkilis: It was phenomenal. It was a great day. You know, it was great to come home back to Boston and be at Fenway. To see the home and come back, it was great for us. We got back from that road trip and came back and we were just so excited.

Opening Day, ring ceremony, then we were also playing the Yankees, that was just a great day. Everything went well. We beat the Yankees that day. Everything just went, you know, you couldn't ask for a better day.

Getting the rings, having an off day the next so we got to sit back and enjoy those rings. It was probably one of the best days of my life, just seeing those rings and just having a great time.

Not one mention of team or how he was happy for his team mates?

You're KILLING me, Detroit.

Tell me about it. I'm at the point where I think those farkers don't deserve the playoffs what with the shiaty way they've been playing. Hell I can't remember the last time the Tigers had a decent winning streak - home or on the road.

/Worse first-place team I've ever seen.

Marisyana: How an admittedly gorgeous and smart woman can go from Ben Affleck to Kevin Youkilis

Youk married Jennifer Lopez?

Stabby_McStabber: rorypk: He gets plunked a bunch and does nothing till the 19 year old rookie does it then gets punked by said kid.

What a dick move to go after a kid espescially when your team was the first to throw at the Tigers.

Big dig aint the only huge hole in Boston

I take it you didn't watch the game. How did Youk get punked or beat up for that matter? If Youk would've swung at Porcello the suspension would've been double or maybe triple than what he got.

Well, when he got thrown onto his back he sure wasn't winning the fight.

Youkilis's suspension should be a game, if that. Jim Leland should be suspended for 20-25 games & the team fined $100k.

Leland should be imprisoned in a supermax and Youklis given the congressional medal of honor and a BJ.

WHYBEERWHY: Youkilis's suspension should be a game, if that. Jim Leland should be suspended for 20-25 games & the team fined $100k.

Are you from Boston by any chance?

H31N0US 2009-08-13 11:18:38 AM
WHYBEERWHY: Youkilis's suspension should be a game, if that. Jim Leland should be suspended for 20-25 games & the team fined $100k.

Are you from Boston by any chance?


No, not from Boston. If a pitcher intentionally tries to his the batter, then the batter should get a free swing with the bat at the pitcher. Fair's fair.

WHYBEERWHY: No, not from Boston. If a pitcher intentionally tries to his the batter, then the batter should get a free swing with the bat at the pitcher. Fair's fair.

This "baseball" thing... you're new to it, right?

I love how the media repeatedly said that Youkilis tackled Porcello to the ground. Ha!