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2009-08-04 05:32:58 PM  

Weaver95: Flatulent_Flea: Can't we just give Weavers Dad his own account already?

Dad passed away in April.

Aaaaand I think i'm done.


Southwest Airlines has a new commercial.
 
2009-08-04 05:33:11 PM  
People are disgraceful. I'm outta here.

Good job Clinton. Glad those chicks are home.
 
2009-08-04 05:33:40 PM  

Hobodeluxe: olddinosaur: I wonder how they "earned" all those medals at such an early age?

by killing little wussies like you.


Maddogjew? Is that you? Big Brother is STILL watching you!
 
2009-08-04 05:33:42 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: Flatulent_Flea: Can't we just give Weavers Dad his own account already?

Dad passed away in April.

Aaaaand I think i'm done.

Well I think we know what he left you in his will, then.


Dude quit being a douche
 
2009-08-04 05:33:44 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: This might end up being known as the thread where Weaver95 finally went back to the Dark Side and of the deep end.


I'm starting to think that maybe he just really likes being contrary.
 
2009-08-04 05:33:58 PM  
Good job, Bill!

Nice to know he's still doing stuff and being a badass. And doesn't even need the disasterous and regrettable reign of King George the Retarded to get that distinction.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:03 PM  

Flatulent_Flea: Weaver95: Dad passed away in April.

Sorry, dude -- didn't know.


Internet condolences.
Funny, funny stuff.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:03 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: cameroncrazy1984: MacEnvy: You've veered dangerously into tinfoilhattery with this one, Weav.

This might end up being known as the thread where Weaver95 finally went back to the Dark Side and of the deep end.

That would be off the deep end.


Notice he wouldn't answer me about whether the Clintons had people killed or not. Know why? He thinks they did. Weaver is an idiot.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:04 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: birchman: To all the idiots in this thread complaining about how this was done, tell me how exactly this should have been done without getting spun into something bad by the conservatives. Please, do it, or else STFU.

I can't vouch for other conservatives, but approaching the six nation squad that is dealing with North Korea right now, using the Secretary of State would have been my ideal option.


The irony there is killing me. Plus, I'm sure you'd have a much different opinion if you were one of the journalists.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:07 PM  
I'm glad Bill got a pleasurable release and this story had a happy ending.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:09 PM  

PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.

The Democrats did it for 8 years but now its not ok?

They did? They mutherfarked Bush when he got hostages freed? Source?


All the quote talks about is party before country not about just hostages but the Dems want everything the Republicans do to fail just as the Republicans want the Dems to fail. Are you so blinded by your religious fervor for you party that you can't see that?
 
2009-08-04 05:34:28 PM  

Weaver95: I think using Bill in this instance was questionable. It worked, it got those reporters out...but it was done off the books. Any time ANYONE does something like that, I'm going to question it, regardless of how effective the circumstances or the end result(s). And you should question it as well, or you would if you were honest with yourself.



Former Presidents have been acting as unofficial envoys of the U.S. Government for years. They've also acted to further their own national and international goals using contacts and prestige cultivated through their former office and career.

I don't really understand your objection here. This isn't an unusual practice. This is an acceptable practice and a common tactic in diplomacy. Back channels are quite common, they get shiat done, and in situations like this, with two parties constrained by fairly inflexible policy commitments, they provide flexibility for concessions and negotiation. Blood doesn't get shed for needless stupidity.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:28 PM  
Crap, I feel terrible now.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:28 PM  
So one was fat, one was ugly?
 
2009-08-04 05:35:00 PM  
I bet Jesse Jackson Sr. is royally pissed that he was benched for Clinton during this episode of "Springing American Hostages From The Hands Of Despots."
 
2009-08-04 05:35:07 PM  

dionada: Sliding Carp: I spent the last year building up an immunity to iocaine powder.

I giggled like a schoolgirl.


me too.
 
2009-08-04 05:35:13 PM  
Freedom, freedom, freedom, oy!
 
2009-08-04 05:35:42 PM  

CruiserTwelve: I'm glad Bill got a pleasurable release and this story had a happy ending.


I suspect that you're talking about something else, but I can't quite put my finger in on it...
 
2009-08-04 05:35:44 PM  

IXI Jim IXI: TheRedMonkey: Never send a woman to do a man's pimp's job.

FTFY :D


blog.lib.umn.edu
 
2009-08-04 05:36:16 PM  

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Do you honestly believe ol' George W. Crackhead, Mr. "Axis of Evil" himself could have done that?

Hell, that drunkard probably can't even find N.K. on a map, let alone try any diplomatic skills.


Yes, I do. It was all about American's crawling on the knees asking for clemency. B/c Bush was the one that villainized NK so much, Bush would have been the ultimate sign of appeasement in NK.
 
2009-08-04 05:36:32 PM  

Weaver95:
I think using Bill in this instance was questionable. It worked, it got those reporters out...but it was done off the books. Any time ANYONE does something like that, I'm going to question it, regardless of how effective the circumstances or the end result(s).


I agree with that. I think this was a pretty good case of using an ex head of state in an only quasi-political way in a manner that might move things forward. But yes, absolutely it's right to question at all times. Me, I'm pretty much always for a non-military solution to disputes between elites of different territories.
 
2009-08-04 05:36:58 PM  

devilskware: Whatever you guys are talking about WHO CARES This could have been a great asian chick thread, but oh no, we have to get all politicky and what not.


Ok, here you go . . .
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2009-08-04 05:37:04 PM  
Bill Clinton. He's Jimmy Carter swinging!

/By swinging I mean fly open, hosing down the enemy.
 
2009-08-04 05:37:10 PM  
What is this strange feeling? I think it's...wait...ohhh weird. It's pride in the actions of a US President? Yes, that must be it. How very, very strange a way to feel.

Good work, Mr. President.
 
2009-08-04 05:37:22 PM  

CynicalLA: Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.

Just like Haliburton? Are you crazy? When someone mentions gays or the Clintons you back into full partisan retard mode.


Or MADD.
 
2009-08-04 05:37:27 PM  
CONGRATS To Euna and Laura. I am happy for you and your families but don't make the same dumbass mistake again.

/Go Bill Clinton! You are still the Shiz!
 
2009-08-04 05:37:39 PM  

Flatulent_Flea: Crap, I feel terrible now.


Now's the part where we all point in a horrified manner at you and make noiseless shapes with our mouths.
 
2009-08-04 05:37:40 PM  
I don't care for Clinton but I have no problem saying "good job."

I'm real curious to hear Ling and Lee's side of the story once they get back.

+1 subby!
 
2009-08-04 05:37:47 PM  

TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.

The Democrats did it for 8 years but now its not ok?

They did? They mutherfarked Bush when he got hostages freed? Source?

All the quote talks about is party before country not about just hostages but the Dems want everything the Republicans do to fail just as the Republicans want the Dems to fail. Are you so blinded by your religious fervor for you party that you can't see that?


My party? I don't vote mainstream parties.

Listen, you are the one that made a claim. Cite me somewhere in a comparable situation where Bush was attacked. Go ahead.
 
2009-08-04 05:37:53 PM  

Juniper Jupiter: I guess Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were unavailable?

Oh, wait, these girls weren't black.

Yeah...I went there.
//Go, Bill, Go!


I was going to go there, but you got there faster
 
2009-08-04 05:37:55 PM  

wee beastie: I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Do you honestly believe ol' George W. Crackhead, Mr. "Axis of Evil" himself could have done that?

Hell, that drunkard probably can't even find N.K. on a map, let alone try any diplomatic skills.

Yes, I do. It was all about American's crawling on the knees asking for clemency. B/c Bush was the one that villainized NK so much, Bush would have been the ultimate sign of appeasement in NK.


Never send a full retard.
 
2009-08-04 05:38:17 PM  

yamachari: I don't care for Clinton but I have no problem saying "good job."

I'm real curious to hear Ling and Lee's side of the story once they get back.

+1 subby!


Don't worry, I'm sure they already have a book/movie deal lined up.
 
2009-08-04 05:38:21 PM  

Flatulent_Flea: Crap, I feel terrible now.


Reminds me of the time I used a famous-of-the-hour missing girl in a photoshop contest, went away for a couple of days, then got back to a bunch of nasty emails because they had found her dead while I was away.
 
2009-08-04 05:38:52 PM  
wang dang sweet Pyongyang
 
2009-08-04 05:39:55 PM  

Gavino: non-military solution to disputes between elites of different territories.


Especially when the kooks you are dealing with have nukes and we are engaged in two other wars.
 
2009-08-04 05:40:16 PM  

TheRedMonkey: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Huh. Here I thought the OTHER Clinton was SecState.

Never send a woman to do a man's job.


Then I guess you don't need to pack a suitcase.
 
2009-08-04 05:40:28 PM  

TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.

The Democrats did it for 8 years but now its not ok?

They did? They mutherfarked Bush when he got hostages freed? Source?

All the quote talks about is party before country not about just hostages but the Dems want everything the Republicans do to fail just as the Republicans want the Dems to fail. Are you so blinded by your religious fervor for you party that you can't see that?


Yeah, they are exactly the same. The Republicans didn't become obstructionist assholes when the economic crisis hit. And the Democrats didn't stand behind Bush right after 9/11. That 90% approval rating must have been fake. You exactly the same people ignorant as well.
 
2009-08-04 05:41:01 PM  

PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.

The Democrats did it for 8 years but now its not ok?

They did? They mutherfarked Bush when he got hostages freed? Source?

All the quote talks about is party before country not about just hostages but the Dems want everything the Republicans do to fail just as the Republicans want the Dems to fail. Are you so blinded by your religious fervor for you party that you can't see that?

My party? I don't vote mainstream parties.

Listen, you are the one that made a claim. Cite me somewhere in a comparable situation where Bush was attacked. Go ahead.


Every time Bush did anything he was attacked. Do you really need an example or did you sleep the last 8 years?
 
2009-08-04 05:41:02 PM  
i137.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 05:41:31 PM  
I am mostly conservative, but you know what? I always liked Clinton.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:19 PM  

netweavr: yamachari: I'm real curious to hear Ling and Lee's side of the story once they get back.


Don't worry, I'm sure they already have a book/movie deal lined up.


Oh great, I can't wait to see "Five Months Of Sitting In Detainment Until President Clinton Shows Up", and its sequel "An Eighteen Hour Flight Back to the US"
 
2009-08-04 05:43:23 PM  

Weaver95: It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.



First, your point is speculation. You think something unethical may have happened but you really have no factual information to base that opinion on. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to tell me what authority he has to offer anything especially given the trade sanctions that are in force. He is neither a chairman in Congress nor the Secretary of State. The only thing he can offer the DPRK is what they just received: attention.

Second, your contention that this is a dirty tactic is ridiculous. Like claiming that all guns are evil. This is a tool of diplomacy. It isn't wrong by itself, it depends on how it is used. This seems like it was entirely appropriate and, well, savy use of diplomacy. Everyone goes home happy with their goals satisfied and no one is bound to modify their long standing policies.


A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules.


See that's the thing, this was done in keeping with the rules. This is how this shiat should be done. He didn't publicly contradict or criticize the President's policy. He didn't attempt to negotiate with another power and undermine an official mission of the United States government. He doesn't have the ability to promise, offer, or enforce any concessions or benefits.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:24 PM  

MacEnvy: Weaver95: well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.

You've veered dangerously into tinfoilhattery with this one, Weav.


Seriously, Weaver, simma down. If it weren't for back channels/track II diplomacy, probably nothing would ever get done, because everything governments do publicly is highly scrutinized, and thus public opinion can play too large a role and derail official negotiations on the most sensitive issues.

Example 1: Oslo Accords

This is not a failure for anybody, this is sort of a coup for both North Korea (who get a face-to-face meeting with a former U.S. President) and America (who get their journalists back without too much trouble, and seem to be on the ball after a couple months of NK uncertainty.)
 
2009-08-04 05:43:35 PM  

Killer Cars: I know! Such an egregious transgression on my part to state my opinion on an internet message board!


Stupid opinion is stupid.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:41 PM  

Flatulent_Flea: Crap, I feel terrible now.


Man, this is hilarious!

Some anonymous Internet schmuck tells you his dad is dead and you feel bad?

"My dad is dead, you insensitive brute!" is the battle cry of those who fish for undeserved sympathy.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:52 PM  

stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...


Are you serious?

Then everyone would be upset that the NK took hostages and we caved in by giving them an official state visit. Hell, I'd be kinda pissed and I'm an ardent Obama supporter.

Remember that Bill Clinton went a long way toward getting rid of NK's nuclear program. Which Dubya promptly farked up.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:55 PM  

TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.

The Democrats did it for 8 years but now its not ok?

They did? They mutherfarked Bush when he got hostages freed? Source?

All the quote talks about is party before country not about just hostages but the Dems want everything the Republicans do to fail just as the Republicans want the Dems to fail. Are you so blinded by your religious fervor for you party that you can't see that?

My party? I don't vote mainstream parties.

Listen, you are the one that made a claim. Cite me somewhere in a comparable situation where Bush was attacked. Go ahead.

Every time Bush did anything he was attacked. Do you really need an example or did you sleep the last 8 years?


I want an example of an overwhelming positive success for all Americans under Bush that was attacked on political lines you farking moron. Do you understand? Do you remember Bush's approval ratings before he went partisan? When everybody got behind him cause it was the right thing for the country?

Wanna just save some face and admit you're full of shiat?
 
2009-08-04 05:43:57 PM  

CynicalLA: You exactly the same people ignorant as well.


Engrish?

CynicalLA: Yeah, they are exactly the same. The Republicans didn't become obstructionist assholes when the economic crisis hit. And the Democrats didn't stand behind Bush right after 9/11. That 90% approval rating must have been fake. You exactly the same people ignorant as well.


More than 9/11 happened.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:57 PM  
I like Clinton. I always have and not just because of the whole blow job thing or the fact that he was president during my formative years. I just plain like the guy. But, he should've thrown up his hands and admitted the affairs early so they couldn't be used as ammo.

Good on you, Bill!!

Call me.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:58 PM  
A photo of the former president and the two journalists before boarding Shagforce1
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