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2009-08-04 05:15:07 PM
Bill Clinton showing that he's still the MAN!

/re-elect Bill ASAP
 
2009-08-04 05:15:11 PM
the lord god: The_Six_Fingered_Man:
So the question becomes, was Secretary Clinton the best choice?

Who knows. So far she has done just fine. Its North Korea not liking her. The rest of the world seems fine with her. Had this happened under Bush do you really think he would have sent Condi Rice?


You mean like Sec Rice talking to North Korea about their nuclear weapons program?

North Korea doesn't just dislike Secretary Clinton because she's a woman. That much is evident from the relations that Secretaries Rice and Albright have had with North Korea.
 
2009-08-04 05:15:21 PM
i25.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 05:15:46 PM
stvdallas: Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?


We don't have formal diplomatic relations with the DPRK. Hence, no State Department mission and thus no Hillary. Sending Hillary would send the signal that we're considering establishing formal ties which is probably a bit too far too fast right now.
 
2009-08-04 05:15:48 PM
Bill Clinton gets shiat done. That's why losers hate him.
 
2009-08-04 05:15:56 PM
netweavr: Bush used Haliburton to secure the non-violent release of hostages in Iraq?

you have failed at reading comprehension.
 
2009-08-04 05:16:04 PM
Clinton was the right choice, particularly since guys like Bill Richardson and Algore weren't getting any traction with the regime. Clinton was someone NK had negotiated with before (via Carter) and he could command an audience on more equal standing with the dear leader. He's no longer a member of government, so you don't have concerns over "direct" negotiations by the US government, but dear leader doesn't lose face meeting with him (in Asian culture, a highly important factor in direct dealings); but as Hillary's "husband," he has direct access to the White House and can act as an effective intermediary.

And no, Bush would not have been sent, because this is a Dem regime, so they're going to send one of their guys. You didn't see Bush sending out Carter for things like this (see China spyplane incident for instance), that would be ridiculous. Of course, the fact that he called NK part of the "Axis of Evil" doesn't help either. Perhaps he'd be helpful if something like this happened in Sub-Saharan Africa (maybe... but that's the only place).

And honestly, I don't think Dubya'd be interested in going anyway. He's done now and I don't think he's very eager to get back involved in situations like this in the first place. I think by the end of his last term he was just ready to blow outta there anyway (shiat, I would be too after the beatings he'd taken, deservedly or undeservedly. Whether you're a joke or the smartest man on earth, being president is a mentally and physically taxing job. Just look at all the before/after pics of presidents, the job ages EVERY one of them remarkably).

/Not a Clinton fan
//but i voted for him once
///and for Dubya twice. I know... but seriously, Al Gore and John Kerry? Couldn't bring myself to do it.
 
2009-08-04 05:16:20 PM
So far I've also noted that no picture I have seen with Clinton in NK has him smiling at all. He's going to give them their little attention whore moment in order to secure the freedom of two Americans, but he's not going to give them the full smiling Clinton propaganda symbol.

"Yeah, I'm here. We're sucking it up to secure the freedom of American citizens. No, I'm not going to give you a picture of us yucking it up together."
 
2009-08-04 05:16:25 PM
Once again, Bill Clinton proves that ten minutes is just long enough.
 
2009-08-04 05:16:33 PM
Weaver95: Sorry dude, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Minus the bombing and the war profiteering. Which is the big difference.
 
2009-08-04 05:16:48 PM
There is an old Vulcan proverb: Only Clinton can go to North Korea.
 
2009-08-04 05:16:59 PM
Weaver95: netweavr: Please elaborate on the other end of the analogy.

How is this like Haliburton?

um...I just did.

Here - try actually READING it this time:

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


Your analogy doesn't really take into account that Haliburton is a publicly traded company, and their actions in Iraq made a lot of people a lot of money.

Where as Bill is a person.

Bush and Cheney made money from using Haliburton.

Obama probably isn't going to see his stock portfolio increase due to Bill posing for some pictures.
 
2009-08-04 05:17:00 PM
SupremeLeader: me_the_farker: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

That would be funny if John Bolten hadn't already said that.

John Bolton thinks that diplomacy doesn't work and is doing everything possible to prove his point, including insulting those he "negotiates" with.
Not a master of subtlety, he.


The mustache has infiltrated his brain.

i278.photobucket.com

It's not a cold sore!

/anyone catch that? anyone?
 
2009-08-04 05:17:05 PM
Weaver95: netweavr: Bush used Haliburton to secure the non-violent release of hostages in Iraq?

you have failed at reading comprehension.


I accept your apology.
 
2009-08-04 05:17:13 PM
What percentage of people who are biatching about sending someone who isn't a government official do you think would be biatching about recognizing North Korea's government if we sent a government official?
 
2009-08-04 05:17:14 PM
Weaver95: PascalsGhost: You're suck a goddamned idiot Weav. Tell them how Clinton killed Vince Foster you farking retard.

that whole 'end justifies the means' thing is what got the Bush administration into trouble. Now I see the Obama folks following suit.

Sorry dude, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.


You Clinton mania is amazing. The fact you think you gotta be an Obama folk to think this is great really reveals a lot. You're a terrible American. Really, go sit down and think about shiat.
 
2009-08-04 05:17:19 PM
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Weaver95: Sorry dude, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Minus the bombing and the war profiteering. Which is the big difference.


and the staying indefinitely
 
2009-08-04 05:17:19 PM
He learned Korean on the plane flight over.

i14.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 05:17:35 PM
Cool, I guess. Of course, now those two chicks owe him, BIG TIME. That Clinton is one cagey bastard. If the price of a job in the White House is a hummer, imagine what freedom from 12 years of hard labor in a North Korean prison camp is. Dayum... I trust Farkers can use their imaginations on this one.

Not a Clinton hater, just sayin'... Also, kinda surprised not to see more hot Asian chick pictures.
 
2009-08-04 05:17:56 PM
Weaver95: 2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?

Because there are no restrictions preventing him from doing it as a private citizen.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_988.html
 
2009-08-04 05:18:14 PM
Weaver95: PascalsGhost: You're suck a goddamned idiot Weav. Tell them how Clinton killed Vince Foster you farking retard.

that whole 'end justifies the means' thing is what got the Bush administration into trouble. Now I see the Obama folks following suit.

Sorry dude, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.


Bill Clinton invaded North Korea?

apples and bunker busters, man. You're reaching waaaayyy too far.
 
2009-08-04 05:18:15 PM
 
2009-08-04 05:18:17 PM
No big Clinton fan, but I'll give credit where credit is due:

Thank you Mr. President.
 
2009-08-04 05:18:20 PM
Rapmaster2000: Tea_tempest_Cup:

I'm fairly sure the "send a heavily armed rescue squad" option would have resulted in the complete destruction of Seoul immediately after completion.

Then again I'd wager that you don't live in Seoul, so that would still be an acceptable loss in your eyes right?

That wouldn't happen because Chuck Norris would totally jump the guys in the watchtower and slit their throats without making a sound. Clearly, you've never seen Missing In Action 2.


Clearly...
 
2009-08-04 05:18:35 PM
cameroncrazy1984: Rapmaster2000: Donald_McRonald: SeismicJizzer: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

yup

LAUGHTER OL.

Stop that. I hate that shiat.

Someone should get that filtered to ***HELLO EVERYONE I HAVE JUST LAUGHED OUT LOUD***

But then again, maybe that's more annoying.


L OUT L
 
2009-08-04 05:18:38 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmm, cute. . . . .

www.dailynk.com

I wonder how they "earned" all those medals at such an early age?
 
2009-08-04 05:18:40 PM
I am outraged that the US was forced to apologize to this sleazy dictator (and give into god knows what demands) because these women were stupid enough to do what they did.

They were on the Chinese side of the border with cameras. This was apparently enough provocation for NK guards to dash over the border and seize them for "hostile acts". Lil' Kim isn't important enough for our government to pay any serious attention to, but we take their word on the trumped-up charges against people who were doing nothing wrong? Interesting leap of logic, there.
 
2009-08-04 05:18:46 PM
Weaver95: And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bush did nothing diplomatic with Afghanistan or Iraq.
 
2009-08-04 05:18:48 PM
Kudos to Bill for getting this done. As a person who is somewhat conservative and endured 8 years of facepalms with W's cowboy diplomacy antics it's good to see Bill on the international stage again.
 
2009-08-04 05:18:51 PM
Weaver95: It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

Bush/Cheney's motto was "my way or the highway." Because a former U.S. President asked nicely, a couple of stupid reporters won't have to spend the next 20-30 years in a North Korean labor camp.

Of course, this doesn't sit well with conservatives, who are upset at having their long history of foreign policy incompetence pointed out. Upset that they didn't get to strut and posture for their "base" about those SCAREY commies. That's ok, they'll get over it. Probably within the next 10 minutes.
 
2009-08-04 05:19:14 PM
img1.fark.net
 
2009-08-04 05:19:18 PM
netweavr: butterchik: netweavr:
1. Not all nations will accept a woman representative.

Madeline Albright and her "basketball diplomacy" worked just fine last time. Also Condi Rice met with some pretty damn traditional Muslims during her day and they listened to her.

Stop saying it. It's not true.

Please read N. Korea's reaction to Secretary Clinton from 2 weeks ago(?).


1. Please say a lot of things and Kim Jong-Il has no problem saying some crazy shiat. They can always change their minds later and deal if they want. That's part of diplomacy.
2. You said "women" not Hillary Clinton. It is *not* true that DPRK refuses to meet with women. Nor do many countries with less liberal views on the status of women.
 
2009-08-04 05:19:25 PM
I question the wisdom of sending a quasi-government representative overseas to request the release of two prisoners who have admitted to purposefully violating the law of the nation holding them. That could blow up in our face.

Citation (sorry, no clickety pop): http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-lisaling,0,5340848.story
 
2009-08-04 05:19:30 PM
olddinosaur: I would kick it. . . .

For my contribution to "International Relations", of course. . . . .


whatever. women in Stalinist countries have no idea that a razor is to be used on ALL hair below the waist. you can enjoy your commie bush all to yourself.
 
2009-08-04 05:19:31 PM
brainiac-dumdum: Damn, how long was Clinton over there?

Like a quickie at the whore house! Damn that man is a pimp!

api.ning.com

/impressed
//hot like grandma
 
2009-08-04 05:19:32 PM
Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.


Just like Haliburton? Are you crazy? When someone mentions gays or the Clintons you back into full partisan retard mode.
 
2009-08-04 05:19:49 PM
And oh boy this must have been a fun trip for Clinton's secret service detail. Let's escort our protectee into the den of a maniacal madman ruling a country like his own land of make believe with hobbies like collecting hostages for shiats and giggles.
 
2009-08-04 05:20:21 PM
Donald_McRonald: SupremeLeader: me_the_farker: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

That would be funny if John Bolten hadn't already said that.

John Bolton thinks that diplomacy doesn't work and is doing everything possible to prove his point, including insulting those he "negotiates" with.
Not a master of subtlety, he.

If you were a constipated walrus, would you be subtle about anything?


A constipated walrus afraid of everything.
A recipe for distasteful disaster.
 
2009-08-04 05:20:30 PM
hahahaha -- Kim Jong-Il just made Hillary look inept and Bam look feckless.

good work, Bill.
 
2009-08-04 05:20:47 PM
PascalsGhost: Wow, I mean this thread has set you back on the ol' respect meter about 10 years. I mean, this is one of the stupidest analogies I've ever seen.

Ah, how fickle and fleeting is internet fame....

You just don't like what I had to say, that's all. I raised a valid objection, but you didn't want to hear it. So...suddenly i'm 'stupid'.

Hate to break this to you, but if I think something is wrong I'll call it out no matter who's doing it. I think that's the one thing I've learned from the Republicans - that sometimes you have to take a stand if something looks wrong. Even if it gets you yelled at by all the kewl kidz.

I think using Bill in this instance was questionable. It worked, it got those reporters out...but it was done off the books. Any time ANYONE does something like that, I'm going to question it, regardless of how effective the circumstances or the end result(s). And you should question it as well, or you would if you were honest with yourself.
 
2009-08-04 05:21:06 PM
plainlyclueless: hahahaha -- Kim Jong-Il just made Hillary look inept and Bam look feckless.

good work, Bill.


plainly.
 
2009-08-04 05:21:11 PM
Can't we just give Weavers Dad his own account already?
 
2009-08-04 05:21:19 PM
butterchik: netweavr: butterchik: netweavr:
1. Not all nations will accept a woman representative.

Madeline Albright and her "basketball diplomacy" worked just fine last time. Also Condi Rice met with some pretty damn traditional Muslims during her day and they listened to her.

Stop saying it. It's not true.

Please read N. Korea's reaction to Secretary Clinton from 2 weeks ago(?).

1. Please say a lot of things and Kim Jong-Il has no problem saying some crazy shiat. They can always change their minds later and deal if they want. That's part of diplomacy.
2. You said "women" not Hillary Clinton. It is *not* true that DPRK refuses to meet with women. Nor do many countries with less liberal views on the status of women.


1. Fair enough.
2. I'll concede the point.
 
2009-08-04 05:21:25 PM
i199.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 05:21:45 PM
An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Wardrobe_Malfunction: This is bad news...for Obama.

/Fox News
/Rush Limbaugh
/Bill O'Reilly
/Sean Hannity
/Glenn Beck
/etc.

Why? The current Administration was powerless to get 2 women freed. An EX president has more power than the Current. Seems to me like good news for the above


Don't you realize the current administration green-lit this trip? It would've been grossly inappropriate for Hilary or Obama (or anyone else in office) to go visit with Kim directly. Sending an ex president works well for the Obama administration's goals, and it also gives the North Koreans exactly what they want-- the attention and respect of a prominent American. Getting these journalists back was all about sending someone who could stroke-off North Korean ego. That's what occurred.
 
2009-08-04 05:21:48 PM
Fine work, subby! You, too, Bill!
 
2009-08-04 05:22:17 PM
netweavr: Weaver95: netweavr: Bush used Haliburton to secure the non-violent release of hostages in Iraq?

you have failed at reading comprehension.

I accept your apology.


yer doing it wrong
 
2009-08-04 05:22:22 PM
I admit to having been more or less ambivalent about Clinton, though I did spend my most feverishly political (early adult) years with him at the helm. But the farther we advance from his administration, the more I love the rat bastard.

All this talk about who I want to have a beer with? Dude, it's Clinton. I'd be his wingman any day! And I wouldn't have to 'jump ion the hand grenade!

/for you slow folks, that means taking the fat one for the team
 
2009-08-04 05:22:38 PM
Weaver95: PascalsGhost: Wow, I mean this thread has set you back on the ol' respect meter about 10 years. I mean, this is one of the stupidest analogies I've ever seen.

Ah, how fickle and fleeting is internet fame....

You just don't like what I had to say, that's all. I raised a valid objection, but you didn't want to hear it. So...suddenly i'm 'stupid'.

Hate to break this to you, but if I think something is wrong I'll call it out no matter who's doing it. I think that's the one thing I've learned from the Republicans - that sometimes you have to take a stand if something looks wrong. Even if it gets you yelled at by all the kewl kidz.

I think using Bill in this instance was questionable. It worked, it got those reporters out...but it was done off the books. Any time ANYONE does something like that, I'm going to question it, regardless of how effective the circumstances or the end result(s). And you should question it as well, or you would if you were honest with yourself.


You don't think off the books diplomacy has gone on in with every administration since the founding of the country? That seems rather naive.
 
2009-08-04 05:22:50 PM
Ex Machina Deus: Since this trip was unannounced, it was probably Bill doing some sort of sex tourism thing.

Kim had probably sold the asian chicks to a brothel. Bill requests the 'freshest catch' from the madam. He walks into the room, the girls recognize him, and he comes up with the whole 'humanitarian rescue' thing to cover his ass.

The real shiat is gonna hit the fan when he gets home. He told Hillary he was hiking the Appalachian trail, and gets caught with both hands full of hot yellow poontang.


Yeah, it was announced YESTERDAY. Here on the West Coast we knew about it via NPR on our drive home.

/now you can just hope the rest of your story is true
 
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