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2009-08-04 05:08:40 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: Because I think that we should have sent our Chief Diplomat or a heavily armed rescue squad instead of a former President?

The world is not a Tom Clancy book.
 
2009-08-04 05:08:43 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: So the question becomes, was Secretary Clinton the best choice?

No, because she is bound by presidential order as an officer of the US government not to negotiate with North Korea. But you knew that, right?
 
2009-08-04 05:08:48 PM
Came for pictures of hot Korean chicks and ignoring the old willie billy dilly dazzler...

/leaving disappointed
 
2009-08-04 05:08:53 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: Because I think that we should have sent our Chief Diplomat or a heavily armed rescue squad instead of a former President?

Why? It worked, didn't it? What, not enough "PEW PEW PEW BLAM BLADOOOOWWWWW" for you? Jesus.
 
2009-08-04 05:09:03 PM
SupremeLeader: Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.

Bill brought biatches back?


He's the Man we just sent him out for beer and POW.
 
2009-08-04 05:09:04 PM
i259.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 05:09:14 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-08-04 05:09:27 PM
SeismicJizzer: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

yup


LAUGHTER OL.
 
2009-08-04 05:09:49 PM
olddinosaur: In the DRNK they have one of these at every intersection, directing traffic which does not exist.


What's more bizarre is how flamboyant they are with their directing and movements.
 
2009-08-04 05:09:52 PM
D-Liver: stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...

Exactly, that is WHY she couldn't go. We do not have diplomatic relations with DPRK, so technically anyone bound to the presidential order cannot negotiate with them. That is why we run our communications with DPRK through Sweden.


don't explain it, he's too stupid and partisan to understand.
 
2009-08-04 05:09:57 PM
Weaver95: 1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?


the bribe was that Bill promised to show Kim his collection on Hillary nudes. and he showed him his best sex move. the famous "Clintoned in the boobies" technique. It always leaves them satisfied.

Why Bill? The first answer should make it clear.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:08 PM
Lol, the amount of spin and obtuseness in this thread is amazing.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:09 PM
inconnu: When are these stupid American kids going to stop going to places like North Korea and Iran to fark around until they get arrested? They just end up as international bargaining chips for dictatorships.5

Because somebody has to put them on the news. Somebpoy has to get the facts out to people, not leave it covered up by the NK regime.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:13 PM
olddinosaur: In the DRNK they have one of these at every intersection, directing traffic which does not exist.



Somewhat irrelevant, but it shows how crazy they are.


2 on the right and one on the left... I found them HAWT. RAWR.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:13 PM
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Weaver95: 1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?

Look on the bright side, Weaves. At least it's not going to sick American kids who's families can't afford corporate health insurance.


heh
 
2009-08-04 05:10:18 PM
Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.

Please elaborate.

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


Please elaborate on the other end of the analogy.

How is this like Haliburton?
 
2009-08-04 05:10:21 PM
Two women and a release? Who else but Clinton would go to North Korea and seal the deal.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:30 PM
Bolton's world view is hilarious. The idea that "rogue" nations need to be ignored until they behave in such a way to deserve positive attention was tried during Bush's tenure, and failed by any metric.

And no lip about Libya and Gaddafi, that schnit started in 1999.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:33 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: PascalsGhost: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Rapmaster2000: The_Six_Fingered_Man: kagechikara: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.

Yes, and I have met many a Para-rescueman and SEALs.

Was that from your time in the Marine Core?

Actually, that would be from my time in the Air Force. When did you serve?

Wow, you even served and you STILL are politics over country. Disgraceful.

Because I think that we should have sent our Chief Diplomat or a heavily armed rescue squad instead of a former President?


I'm fairly sure the "send a heavily armed rescue squad" option would have resulted in the complete destruction of Seoul immediately after completion.

Then again I'd wager that you don't live in Seoul, so that would still be an acceptable loss in your eyes right?
 
2009-08-04 05:10:34 PM
me_the_farker: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

That would be funny if John Bolten hadn't already said that.


John Bolton thinks that diplomacy doesn't work and is doing everything possible to prove his point, including insulting those he "negotiates" with.
Not a master of subtlety, he.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:38 PM
Donald_McRonald: SeismicJizzer: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

yup

LAUGHTER OL.


Stop that. I hate that shiat.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:48 PM
Broz_Tito: Maybe if G.W.B. asked Saddam nicely he would have stepped down too ?
Instead of fertilizing Iraqi soil with dead Americans and Iraqis.


Trust me, that sounded way cooler/more coherent in your head.
 
2009-08-04 05:11:00 PM
netweavr:
1. Not all nations will accept a woman representative.

Madeline Albright and her "basketball diplomacy" worked just fine last time. Also Condi Rice met with some pretty damn traditional Muslims during her day and they listened to her.

Stop saying it. It's not true.
 
2009-08-04 05:11:29 PM
powerman2424: et caught, and we have to come a-running? Where is the accountability for these two

I dunno, I'd say 5 months of time served in a North Korean hard labor prison might be punishment enough..

just sayin.
 
2009-08-04 05:11:30 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: PascalsGhost: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Rapmaster2000: The_Six_Fingered_Man: kagechikara: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.

Yes, and I have met many a Para-rescueman and SEALs.

Was that from your time in the Marine Core?

Actually, that would be from my time in the Air Force. When did you serve?

Wow, you even served and you STILL are politics over country. Disgraceful.

Because I think that we should have sent our Chief Diplomat or a heavily armed rescue squad instead of a former President?


Because things like this are a test. It is a good day for Americans, and two young American hostages were freed from a tyrant. There is no way to spin this into anything bad. it was handed smoothly without a hitch. Only thing to say is "Good job!"


Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.



Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.

Please elaborate.

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


You're suck a goddamned idiot Weav. Tell them how Clinton killed Vince Foster you farking retard.
 
2009-08-04 05:11:30 PM
In exchange for the two prisoners KIm Jong-il got equivalent weight in Hennesy.

skeetandbigsexy.com
 
2009-08-04 05:11:43 PM
netweavr: Please elaborate on the other end of the analogy.

How is this like Haliburton?


um...I just did.

Here - try actually READING it this time:

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.
 
2009-08-04 05:11:53 PM
Mongo cut wood: Obama probably sent him over with billions of our money or traded nuke missile technology to get them back.

dude! it's getting old. STFU allready or come up with something more original next time aiite!
 
2009-08-04 05:12:04 PM
I'm glad two Americans are coming home safe.

Everything else is irrelevant.

Please continue the whargarble.
 
2009-08-04 05:12:16 PM
Obama and Clinton have figured out what thet little shiat Kim Jong Illlin' wants... not nukes or other crap like that, but RESPECT. That's what is important to little tinpot dictator lawn gnomes like him, a sense that a powerful country which has moved on to the 21st century while his is still in the first half of the 20th actually takes his little kingdom seriously.

It's all about ego. Good for Bubba.
 
2009-08-04 05:12:19 PM
stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...


Because the U.S. does not have diplomatic relations with North Korea. They needed a civilian to ask for the release, and that's what Bill did.
 
2009-08-04 05:12:22 PM
I am outraged that the US was forced to apologize to this sleazy dictator (and give into god knows what demands) because these women were stupid enough to do what they did. When will people learn that other countries don't care that you are American and that you do not have the same rights when in other countries. You go to these countries and break their laws you take your chances. Just like the idiots who are being held in Iran, I believe they were warned yet they crossed that border anyway.

Do they each have to give Bill a Lewinsky now?
 
2009-08-04 05:12:30 PM
butterchik: netweavr:
1. Not all nations will accept a woman representative.

Madeline Albright and her "basketball diplomacy" worked just fine last time. Also Condi Rice met with some pretty damn traditional Muslims during her day and they listened to her.

Stop saying it. It's not true.


Please read N. Korea's reaction to Secretary Clinton from 2 weeks ago(?).
 
2009-08-04 05:12:35 PM
Tea_tempest_Cup:

I'm fairly sure the "send a heavily armed rescue squad" option would have resulted in the complete destruction of Seoul immediately after completion.

Then again I'd wager that you don't live in Seoul, so that would still be an acceptable loss in your eyes right?


That wouldn't happen because Chuck Norris would totally jump the guys in the watchtower and slit their throats without making a sound. Clearly, you've never seen Missing In Action 2.
 
2009-08-04 05:12:58 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man:
So the question becomes, was Secretary Clinton the best choice?


Who knows. So far she has done just fine. Its North Korea not liking her. The rest of the world seems fine with her. Had this happened under Bush do you really think he would have sent Condi Rice?
 
2009-08-04 05:13:08 PM
Don't be surprised if NK has a fancy new high speed internet infrastructure in the future... or maybe a new oil pipeline.

This was a business deal, and the two cute girls were a front.
 
2009-08-04 05:13:15 PM
Broz_Tito: Maybe if G.W.B. asked Saddam nicely he would have stepped down too ?
Instead of fertilizing Iraqi soil with dead Americans and Iraqis.


I recall Putin tried to give Saddam asylum, but Saddam wouldn't go. Of course, can you imagine the butthurt if Russia had rolled into Iraq before the US Army could?

/Race you to Baghdad!
 
2009-08-04 05:13:31 PM
Weaver95: 2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?

Actually several ex-presidents have done negotiations and other diplomacy after the presidency. Generally while their party is in the WH.

Don't forget his wife is Secretary of State... and he had full security clearance. Makes him an even more ideal person to handle such a task.

And the official policy of the US not negotiating still stands since he wasn't in office... generally the reason why ex-politicians do this kind of stuff.

Other countries do the same thing, ex-PM's, or sending high religious leaders... same concept. It's a high powered diplomat who doesn't have tight ties with the current administration.

It's about the same as a descendant of a company namesake doing a commercial, but having no day-to-day responsibility in the organization. Gives people the warm and fuzzies (ah tradition)... but doesn't impact the org at all.
 
2009-08-04 05:13:32 PM
Rapmaster2000: Donald_McRonald: SeismicJizzer: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

yup

LAUGHTER OL.

Stop that. I hate that shiat.


Someone should get that filtered to ***HELLO EVERYONE I HAVE JUST LAUGHED OUT LOUD***

But then again, maybe that's more annoying.
 
2009-08-04 05:13:38 PM
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.


I SAID LET THEM TWO MOTHERfarkIN' biatchES GO NOW, MOTHERfarkER!!!

\Mr. Jackson is the motherfarker bomb!
 
2009-08-04 05:13:39 PM
Weaver95: ...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters.

...or so you assume.

A bit of advice, don't assume shiat.
 
2009-08-04 05:13:46 PM
Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.

Please elaborate.

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


You gotta be kidding.
 
2009-08-04 05:13:57 PM
SupremeLeader: me_the_farker: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

That would be funny if John Bolten hadn't already said that.

John Bolton thinks that diplomacy doesn't work and is doing everything possible to prove his point, including insulting those he "negotiates" with.
Not a master of subtlety, he.


If you were a constipated walrus, would you be subtle about anything?
 
2009-08-04 05:14:02 PM
Weaver95: netweavr: Please elaborate on the other end of the analogy.

How is this like Haliburton?

um...I just did.

Here - try actually READING it this time:

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


Bush used Haliburton to secure the non-violent release of hostages in Iraq?
 
2009-08-04 05:14:05 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: What people here are saying is that it's ok to negotiate with a crazy person who could have nuclear weapons as long as it's not official.

No, we're saying if someone can go get these chicks home without giving the crazy dude anything tangible in return then we ought to do it. I know you'd like to get all ross perot in a helicopter on someone because you're read too much soldier of fortune but that shiat wouldn't work with NK.
 
2009-08-04 05:14:11 PM
Buffalo Bill brings 'em home!
 
2009-08-04 05:14:25 PM
PascalsGhost: You're suck a goddamned idiot Weav. Tell them how Clinton killed Vince Foster you farking retard.

that whole 'end justifies the means' thing is what got the Bush administration into trouble. Now I see the Obama folks following suit.

Sorry dude, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2009-08-04 05:14:44 PM
Weaver95: netweavr: Please elaborate on the other end of the analogy.

How is this like Haliburton?

um...I just did.

Here - try actually READING it this time:

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


Wow, I mean this thread has set you back on the ol' respect meter about 10 years. I mean, this is one of the stupidest analogies I've ever seen.
 
2009-08-04 05:14:56 PM
Were they heavy?
 
2009-08-04 05:15:05 PM
An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: "We are so grateful to our government: President Obama, Secretary Clinton and the U.S. State Department for their dedication to and hard work on behalf of American citizens. We especially want to thank President Bill Clinton for taking on such an arduous mission and Vice President Al Gore for his tireless efforts to bring Laura and Euna home," the families said in a joint statement. "We must also thank all the people who have supported our families through this ordeal, it has meant the world to us. We are counting the seconds to hold Laura and Euna in our arms."


What?


In Ahnold translation: GET TO DA CHOPPA
 
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