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2009-08-04 03:27:13 PM  
Damn, how long was Clinton over there?
 
2009-08-04 03:27:25 PM  
What can I say, the man's still got the mojo.
 
2009-08-04 03:28:42 PM  
He delivered a suitcase of cash and 12 porn DVDs in trade.
 
2009-08-04 03:28:51 PM  
Great, how much food aid do we have to give them?
 
2009-08-04 03:29:03 PM  
That was farking fast. How did Bill do it? Maybe my joke of trading them for rice yesterday really happened.

saying it again in this thread because this feel more like a "green" headline.
 
2009-08-04 03:29:09 PM  
damn you, subby
+1
 
2009-08-04 03:29:16 PM  
yes. I'd say this one.
 
2009-08-04 03:29:27 PM  
That headline is full of win.
 
2009-08-04 03:30:20 PM  
When you care enough to send the Big Dog. +1
 
2009-08-04 03:30:24 PM  
Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.
 
2009-08-04 03:30:52 PM  
+1 for the headline subby. It gets the point across without being below the belt. A few of the others hit you over the head with their jokes.
 
2009-08-04 03:31:02 PM  
This was by far the best headline.
 
2009-08-04 03:31:15 PM  
Awesome subby.
 
2009-08-04 03:31:28 PM  
Killer Cars: Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.

Or Arec Bardwin.
 
2009-08-04 03:31:34 PM  
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.


David Hasselhoff
 
2009-08-04 03:31:36 PM  
Oh, and +1
 
2009-08-04 03:32:36 PM  
Giggity, giggity *click*... ewww.
 
2009-08-04 03:32:47 PM  
Nabb1: Or Arec Bardwin.

LOL much win
 
2009-08-04 03:33:41 PM  
+1, I only wish I had more to give.
 
2009-08-04 03:34:24 PM  
He impress them with his HUGE Amelican penis.

/Their penis so small.
/so small
 
2009-08-04 03:35:18 PM  
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.


I have had with this motherfarking hostages in this motherfarking failed state.
 
2009-08-04 03:35:48 PM  
graphics.ink19.com
 
2009-08-04 03:36:06 PM  
Clintoned in the Boobies?
 
2009-08-04 03:37:28 PM  
Yellow fever?
 
2009-08-04 03:37:50 PM  
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

If Bush II had gone, he would of ended up playing video games and getting drunk with Kim, and end up forgetting to secure the release of anything except his urine when he peed off Kim's speech balcony.
 
2009-08-04 03:39:33 PM  
I wonder if this is because Kim Jong il knows that he's dying, and his son isn't strong enough to keep the whole failed state dynamic going, so he's trying to improve diplomatic relations?

I'm not saying this will lead to tourists flocking to Pyongyang, but it's a start.
 
2009-08-04 03:42:14 PM  
As the very respectable Robert Gibbs tells us, The White House had no involvement in this. None. It was a purely private impromptu mission. This was absolutely not pre-arranged. No way.
 
2009-08-04 03:42:26 PM  
what_now: I wonder if this is because Kim Jong il knows that he's dying, and his son isn't strong enough to keep the whole failed state dynamic going, so he's trying to improve diplomatic relations?

Nah, the conservatives in the military would form some sort of junta. They're apparently the ones that keep pushing the damned missile program.
 
2009-08-04 03:46:30 PM  
Il Douchey: As the very respectable Robert Gibbs tells us, The White House had no involvement in this. None. It was a purely private impromptu mission. This was absolutely not pre-arranged. No way.

Oh, who the hell cares. They're free.
 
2009-08-04 03:46:30 PM  
I ROR'd +1.
 
2009-08-04 03:48:04 PM  
Il Douchey: As the very respectable Robert Gibbs tells us, The White House had no involvement in this. None. It was a purely private impromptu mission. This was absolutely not pre-arranged. No way.

And if the white house admitted involvement how loud would you scream? There is just no pleasing some people.
 
2009-08-04 03:50:19 PM  
Could anyone possibly imagine G.W. Bush going around in a few years freeing hostages and prisoners the way Carter and Clinton do?


/didn't think so
 
2009-08-04 03:51:29 PM  
MissFeasance: I ROR'd +1.

that wasist!
 
2009-08-04 03:52:21 PM  
I LOL'd.

/Asian chick
 
2009-08-04 03:52:42 PM  
Gosling: Oh, who the hell cares. They're free.

I'm glad about that, but the "story" they're trying to sell is ridiculous. There is simply no way this could have occurred without major staging. Even the NK citizens probably realize that it's more Dear Leader gov't bullshiat.
 
2009-08-04 03:53:17 PM  
Il Douchey: As the very respectable Robert Gibbs tells us, The White House had no involvement in this. None. It was a purely private impromptu mission. This was absolutely not pre-arranged. No way.

Agreed. The correct response to finding out the actual level of the administration's involvement would be to send back the hostages for an indefinite period of time.
 
2009-08-04 03:55:35 PM  
i361.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 03:56:00 PM  
Il Douchey: I'm glad about that, but the "story" they're trying to sell is ridiculous. There is simply no way this could have occurred without major staging. Even the NK citizens probably realize that it's more Dear Leader gov't bullshiat.

They're not on American soil yet. Let everyone get home before we let the barbs start flying.

And you haven't seen NK citizens, have you? When Lisa was over there, she asked one NK citizen, point blank, "What if Kim is wrong?"

The NK citizen couldn't even comprehend the question.
 
2009-08-04 03:56:09 PM  
Now who is going to rescue the two women from Bill?

"Now, now, Hilary. These upstanding ladies were just expressing their gratitude for a job well done!"

Clinton -- still the man!
 
2009-08-04 03:57:27 PM  
Il Douchey: I'm glad about that, but the "story" they're trying to sell is ridiculous. There is simply no way this could have occurred without major staging. Even the NK citizens probably realize that it's more Dear Leader gov't bullshiat.

I see a whole lot of conjecture.
 
2009-08-04 03:58:39 PM  
.......aaaaaaand of course, over on Faux News, Josh Bolton is calling this "negotiating with terrists".

Stay classy, neocons.
 
2009-08-04 03:59:39 PM  
wait a sec. they break the laws of a foreign nation and because the west was indignant they get to go free? If they did not work for a high profile media outlet they would not go free.

/i wonder what Kim got in return...the courtesy of a reach around?
 
2009-08-04 03:59:47 PM  
But But But... Clintoned in the Boobies!
 
2009-08-04 04:00:06 PM  
tchamber: .......aaaaaaand of course, over on Faux News, Josh Bolton is calling this "negotiating with terrists".

Stay classy, neocons.


What did he call it when Reagan did it?
 
2009-08-04 04:03:53 PM  
Yay! Does this make up for the blowjob?
 
2009-08-04 04:04:02 PM  
tchamber: .......aaaaaaand of course, over on Faux News, Josh Bolton is calling this "negotiating with terrists".

Stay classy, neocons.


Oh, the hell with Bolton. Nobody in the diplomatic universe ever took him seriously to begin with.
 
2009-08-04 04:04:56 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: What did he call it when Reagan did it?

That's pre-9/11 thinking.
 
2009-08-04 04:04:58 PM  
"The two freed journalists were seen leaving Kim Jong ll's office wearing stained blue dresses".
 
2009-08-04 04:05:51 PM  
mandingueiro: wait a sec. they break the laws of a foreign nation and because the west was indignant they get to go free? If they did not work for a high profile media outlet they would not go free.

And I'm sure if you were over there for whatever reason, you'd suck it up and take your 12 years of hard labor like a man. Sure.
 
2009-08-04 04:09:42 PM  
Shouldn't this be a Follow Up to this (new window)?
 
2009-08-04 04:10:11 PM  
blogs.e-rockford.comingasardasorensen.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-08-04 04:10:20 PM  
Il Douchey: Gosling: Oh, who the hell cares. They're free.

I'm glad about that, but the "story" they're trying to sell is ridiculous. There is simply no way this could have occurred without major staging. Even the NK citizens probably realize that it's more Dear Leader gov't bullshiat.


We don't have formal diplomatic relations with NK. That's why Obama sent Bill instead of Hill Bill took it upon himself to go talk with Im So Ronrey. The Tooth Fairy is also fake, but we still pretend otherwise for the kids. No harm, no foul.
 
2009-08-04 04:13:52 PM  
mandingueiro: wait a sec. they break the laws of a foreign nation and because the west was indignant they get to go free?

I didn't know "Dear Leader" used a computer.
 
2009-08-04 04:15:46 PM  
veedeevadeevoodee

and yet still more beloved than Bush II.

That's gotta hurt.
 
2009-08-04 04:16:07 PM  
Gosling: mandingueiro: wait a sec. they break the laws of a foreign nation and because the west was indignant they get to go free? If they did not work for a high profile media outlet they would not go free.

And I'm sure if you were over there for whatever reason, you'd suck it up and take your 12 years of hard labor like a man. Sure.


I'm not the one sneaking around in the china/n.korea border, knowing full well it is illegal and there is a high risk involved. You gotta pay to play. They got lucky.
 
2009-08-04 04:20:36 PM  
brainiac-dumdum:

and yet still more beloved than Bush II.

www.presidentialtimeline.org

/ At least to the Panamanian intelligencia :)
 
2009-08-04 04:27:29 PM  
veedeevadeevoodee: ingasardasorensen.files.wordpress.com

What the hell happened to Bill's pupils in that pic? Did he get the Eye of the Jew?
 
2009-08-04 04:35:37 PM  
Newsflash? Really?
 
2009-08-04 04:35:38 PM  
And we have a winner. Congrats, subby.
 
2009-08-04 04:35:48 PM  
veedeevadeevoodee: / At least to the Panamanian intelligencia :)

lol, Omar Torrijos is the best you can come up with?

Carter doesn't give you as much to work with, unlike his successor.

i278.photobucket.com

i278.photobucket.com

i278.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 04:36:05 PM  
what_now: yes. I'd say this one.

I liked the one that said he picked up 2 Asian chicks and just has to get them home before Hillary finds out.
 
2009-08-04 04:36:34 PM  
Lil Kim just wanted to see the bent penis. After that, he was spent and released two chicks.
 
2009-08-04 04:37:36 PM  
Lets see teh Drudge spin.
 
2009-08-04 04:38:05 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves: Now who is going to rescue the two women from Bill?

"Now, now, Hilary. These upstanding kneeling ladies were just expressing their gratitude for a job well done!"

Clinton -- still the man!


FTFY
 
2009-08-04 04:38:11 PM  
Dang... Billy Boi works fast.
 
2009-08-04 04:38:18 PM  
Also, this exact headline was used when it was announced Clinton was going to NK to begin with. Only people were nitpicking about his hyphenation of "pick-up".
 
2009-08-04 04:38:27 PM  
WOOOOOOOO!

i've missed bill so much.
 
2009-08-04 04:38:37 PM  
It'll be nice to see these women back home. What's more important, though, is that Dear Leader got to be the center of attention again for a little while, and that the Evil Americans were forced to come to him and beg for something.
 
2009-08-04 04:38:41 PM  
Oh well, I voted for the other headline, but this one is nice too.
Great Job, Bill.
 
2009-08-04 04:38:42 PM  
How pissed do you think Carter is right about now? Clinton made him his biatch.
 
2009-08-04 04:38:51 PM  
I guess you can negotiate with terrorists.
 
2009-08-04 04:38:52 PM  
Made me chuckle
+1 gof crap, subby
 
2009-08-04 04:38:55 PM  
Killer Cars: but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

I wonder if they sent W. what would have happened?
 
2009-08-04 04:39:03 PM  
farm4.static.flickr.com

"Boy, you are good. You are really good."
 
2009-08-04 04:39:17 PM  
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.


How the hell would you know that?

You don't.

Stupid post was stupid.
 
2009-08-04 04:39:28 PM  
RAFFTER OR
 
2009-08-04 04:39:28 PM  
with the loss of his two newest playmates, kim jong ill was reported to feel a little lonely
 
2009-08-04 04:39:34 PM  
This is great news. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on, no American should be stuck languishing in a North Korean prison.
 
2009-08-04 04:39:36 PM  
Huh. Here I thought the OTHER Clinton was SecState.
 
2009-08-04 04:39:48 PM  
proteon: Lets see teh Drudge spin.

Dude hasn't been relevant since at least 2006.
 
2009-08-04 04:39:56 PM  
brainiac-dumdum: veedeevadeevoodee: / At least to the Panamanian intelligencia :)

lol, Omar Torrijos is the best you can come up with?

Carter doesn't give you as much to work with, unlike his successor.


www.theonion.com
 
2009-08-04 04:39:58 PM  
I think Bill should have used the opportunity to use his Spinning Cobra Kick and ended that miserable little dictator's life.
 
2009-08-04 04:40:01 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves: Now who is going to rescue the two women from Bill?

"Now, now, Hilary. These upstanding ladies were just expressing their gratitude for a job well done!"

Clinton -- still the man!


I read that in Bill Clinton's voice in my head...
 
2009-08-04 04:40:03 PM  
shiat man, you're sending the wolf? that's all I needed to hear.
 
2009-08-04 04:40:08 PM  
Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...
 
2009-08-04 04:40:09 PM  
WAY TO GO, CLINTON- that's all we needed! Let's give North Korea the legitimacy of governmental contact with the US.

Next thing you know they'll start acting like they're a entitled to our attention and building nukes and launching missiles and shiat
 
2009-08-04 04:40:16 PM  
Dude, wait Korea was holding some of our people? I gotta watch BBC news more often.

Made my mom watch it a few weeks ago when I was at her place, we saw a story about a US nuclear waste facility we had never heard of that had been in place for like 60 years.
 
2009-08-04 04:40:42 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: Huh. Here I thought the OTHER Clinton was SecState.

She is. We don't have normalized relations with North Korea, on account of the fact that they be crazy.
 
2009-08-04 04:40:43 PM  
Good job subby.

and

God job Bubba!
 
2009-08-04 04:41:05 PM  
Just wait until Kenneth Starr subpoenas Clinton to testify. Then we'll get to the bottom of this brouhaha.
 
2009-08-04 04:41:10 PM  
Of course he'll release them. This is exactly what he wanted. You get some ailing crackpot with 0 international credibility, he pulls a stunt to shanghai 2 journalists under a Stalinist trumped-up charge of espionage, then you have an ex-president of the United States come hat-in-hand in front of international media to ask for their return.

The guy's a one trick pony. This is the exact same ploy as getting something for free from the U.N. to halt nuclear testing, renegging on your pledge to stop, and then forcing even more from the International Community to stop again - this time for realz!

Not an ex-president. A cabinet member maybe. Should've sent Hillary, but not the ex-president. This is like a warlord entertaining a plea of leniency from an ex-emperor.
 
2009-08-04 04:41:14 PM  
DeltaXi65: This is great news. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on, no American should be stuck languishing in a North Korean prison.

here here
 
2009-08-04 04:41:16 PM  
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.


I think Samuel L Jackson would've been able to do it. The man's good. On the other hand, I think George W. Bush would have done something stupid and gotten them executed.
 
2009-08-04 04:41:22 PM  
What's that about about hot asian chicks in skin-tight rubber?

www.essex-audi.co.uk

/Took this long?
 
2009-08-04 04:41:36 PM  
What a day!

First (on another thread) I had to say I was forced to admit I was nostalgic for Bush---something I would have thought impossible---now I am forced to admit, Bill Clinton has done something laudable.

All that is left to complete the trifecta is for Al Gore to make a scientifically factual statement, even acciddentally.
 
2009-08-04 04:41:39 PM  
lincoln65: WAY TO GO, CLINTON- that's all we needed! Let's give North Korea the legitimacy of governmental contact with the US.

Next thing you know they'll start acting like they're a entitled to our attention and building nukes and launching missiles and shiat


would you rather have sent jessie jackson?
 
2009-08-04 04:41:43 PM  
Good headline, subby!
 
2009-08-04 04:41:47 PM  
lincoln65: WAY TO GO, CLINTON- that's all we needed! Let's give North Korea the legitimacy of governmental contact with the US.

And which branch of the government does Bill work for?
 
2009-08-04 04:42:15 PM  
smerfnablin: lincoln65: WAY TO GO, CLINTON- that's all we needed! Let's give North Korea the legitimacy of governmental contact with the US.

Next thing you know they'll start acting like they're a entitled to our attention and building nukes and launching missiles and shiat

would you rather have sent jessie jackson?


Or Al Sharpton. I'm sure that would have worked.
 
2009-08-04 04:42:16 PM  
images3.cafepress.com

The hand of pimp.

Strong it still is.
 
2009-08-04 04:42:19 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Huh. Here I thought the OTHER Clinton was SecState.

She is. We don't have normalized relations with North Korea, on account of the fact that they be crazy.


So we send Bill? Why didn't we just send in a SEAL team to get her? This was about diplomacy, and should have been done by Bill's wife, as that's her job.
 
2009-08-04 04:42:21 PM  
OMG he's emboldening terrorists!! -wingnut/Neocon response.
 
2009-08-04 04:42:23 PM  
FTFA - It's only the second visit to Pyongyang by a former U.S. leader. Jimmy Carter traveled to North Korea for talks with Kim's father, Kim Il Sung, in 1994 in a groundbreaking meeting during a time of similar tensions.

Baby steps, folks. Sometimes progress happens in baby steps. Maybe the current Kim will kick off soon and his 20-something son might be more open to the rest of the world. That's my hope, anyway.

/Literally cheered when I read the news.
//Will be WAY happier when they're back on American soil.
 
2009-08-04 04:42:27 PM  
SupremeLeader: [unfunny Kelly cartoon]

Thanks for nothing
 
2009-08-04 04:42:36 PM  
www.out-post.net
 
2009-08-04 04:42:46 PM  
brainiac-dumdum 2009-08-04 03:27:13 PM Damn, how long was Clinton over there?
=================================

Not long. The reuters article that announced he was over there was (released) at 3:13pm. The article that announced that the journalists were free? 3:23pm.

I found that hilarious.
 
2009-08-04 04:42:46 PM  
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.


Perhaps all NK wanted was US-based newspaper headlines stating that the US will sometimes bend to another's countries will? Making Sam say "Uncle" can be more valuable than aid.
 
2009-08-04 04:42:47 PM  
stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...


Wow, didn't think of that at first, but
THIS
 
2009-08-04 04:42:48 PM  
Nabb1: That headline is full of win nguyen.

FTFY

/nevermind
//wrong type of asians
 
2009-08-04 04:42:52 PM  
I wonder if he got the USS Pueblo back too?
 
2009-08-04 04:43:05 PM  
Well, I do suppose that Clinton can confirm if he actually *met* with Kim Jong-il.

Given all the stories about the man being deathly ill, I was wondering if Kim'd show up, period, or would he send a spokesman.
 
2009-08-04 04:43:15 PM  
Presidential 3-Some
 
2009-08-04 04:43:16 PM  
America's First Black President strikes again; Clinton makes a damn mean kimchi that must've swayed Kim Jong. Four more years! Four more years!
 
2009-08-04 04:43:54 PM  
Time to add more chicks to the pile.

Link (new window)
 
2009-08-04 04:43:57 PM  
This, with the earlier, "Bill Clinton heads to North Korea to pick-up two women" deserve +1
 
2009-08-04 04:44:03 PM  
Those gotta be some grateful Oriental chicks - Billyboy is renewing his membership in the mile high club on the way home
 
2009-08-04 04:44:07 PM  
Damn, Slick Willy's still got it. Pops over to NK to check out their version of McDonald's, and picks up a couple of chicks to bring home.
 
2009-08-04 04:44:15 PM  
stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...


So it's not the US bargaining with the tinpot despot of a bullshiat little country. As a former president, Bill can give 'lil Kim his ego stroke without having to formally involve the government.

Shrewd. And good on Mr. Clinton for getting the job done.
 
2009-08-04 04:44:21 PM  
groovybomb: shiat man, you're sending the wolf? that's all I needed to hear.shiat negro, that's all you had to say
 
2009-08-04 04:44:23 PM  
stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...


The reason you don't send the Secretary of State or any real official is because then the country with hostages will start asking for something in return.

When you send someone not part of the administration they don't have the ability to officially speak for the Admin and thereby not pressured into making a deal for people's return.
 
2009-08-04 04:44:23 PM  
www.out-post.net
 
2009-08-04 04:44:26 PM  
Bill had a bet with Kim. Kim lost.

How did Bill win?

He showed Kim his Lo Wang.
 
2009-08-04 04:44:27 PM  
Clinton went to North Korea and got some take-out.

/Yeah.... got nuthin'.
 
2009-08-04 04:44:30 PM  
Did Bill bring cigars?
 
2009-08-04 04:45:00 PM  
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.


Bush would have farked things up so bad he would have ended up in jail with them.
 
2009-08-04 04:45:07 PM  
MasterThief: Yellow fever?

It's a looooong plane ride home. Might as well make ourselves comfortable...[zip]
 
2009-08-04 04:45:14 PM  
smeag0l: Did Bill bring cigars?

He did. Kim Jong Il promptly ate them.
 
2009-08-04 04:45:17 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: lincoln65: WAY TO GO, CLINTON- that's all we needed! Let's give North Korea the legitimacy of governmental contact with the US.

And which branch of the government does Bill work for?


Probably the Department of Law. Barely heard of it not too long ago.
 
2009-08-04 04:45:27 PM  
Since these two ladies apparently admitted they were in the wrong, shouldn't they be brought up on charges in the USA for contributing to an international incident?

Their damn decisions got them in that position in the first place!

They get caught, and we have to come a-running? Where is the accountability for these two idiots?
 
2009-08-04 04:45:47 PM  
Way better than my headline.
 
2009-08-04 04:45:50 PM  
stvdallas: Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary?


Because of this:


lincoln65: WAY TO GO, CLINTON- that's all we needed! Let's give North Korea the legitimacy of governmental contact with the US.
 
2009-08-04 04:45:51 PM  
For those asking what Kim got out of it, he got time in the sun and a domestic PR victory from the way things panned out. At first we were wanting their release "on humanitarian grounds," in other words, we wanted NK to admit they blew it out of proportion. We ended up apologizing for these women's "hostile acts" and they received clemency; in plain English we granted that they were misbehaving and doing whatever NK said they did.

Yeah, nobody outside of NK believes that we had a couple female journalists planning to start shiat so it isn't like the US's rep is going to suffer irreparable harm, but in a sense our nation did go groveling for the freedom of these two. We gave up face for their freedom. NBD to our everyday lives, but I hope these chicks have to prove they can read a farking map before we let them out of our borders again.
 
2009-08-04 04:46:12 PM  
Bill Clinton simply walks into Mordor
 
2009-08-04 04:46:19 PM  
Obama probably sent him over with billions of our money or traded nuke missile technology to get them back.
 
2009-08-04 04:46:27 PM  
Noekken: Good headline, subby!

Isn't this pretty much the same headline from an earlier greenlight?

Anyway, he done good.
 
2009-08-04 04:46:30 PM  
Well, they got the Asian part right.

Hotties...?
 
2009-08-04 04:46:36 PM  
Subby, should have said 2 'HOT' Asaian chicks
 
2009-08-04 04:46:44 PM  
bel4sucks: groovybomb: shiat man, you're sending the wolf? that's all I needed to hear.shiat negro, that's all you had to say

It didn't look like that in preview, fail is fail
 
2009-08-04 04:46:47 PM  
i27.tinypic.com
 
2009-08-04 04:47:11 PM  
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out.

www.zombiepresidents.com
 
2009-08-04 04:47:15 PM  
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Do you honestly believe ol' George W. Crackhead, Mr. "Axis of Evil" himself could have done that?

Hell, that drunkard probably can't even find N.K. on a map, let alone try any diplomatic skills.
 
2009-08-04 04:47:23 PM  
Country_Goodness and Green_Peaness: Of course he'll release them. This is exactly what he wanted. You get some ailing crackpot with 0 international credibility, he pulls a stunt to shanghai 2 journalists under a Stalinist trumped-up charge of espionage, then you have an ex-president of the United States come hat-in-hand in front of international media to ask for their return.

The guy's a one trick pony. This is the exact same ploy as getting something for free from the U.N. to halt nuclear testing, renegging on your pledge to stop, and then forcing even more from the International Community to stop again - this time for realz!

Not an ex-president. A cabinet member maybe. Should've sent Hillary, but not the ex-president. This is like a warlord entertaining a plea of leniency from an ex-emperor.


Not to defend L'il Kim in any way, but those two journalists are not exactly the brightest light bulbs.

What did they think would happen in a Stalinist, paranoid, repressive, and dirt poor country?
 
2009-08-04 04:47:28 PM  
wyldkard: stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...

Wow, didn't think of that at first, but
THIS


I'm wildly guessing here, but i suspect it has something to do with Hillary being a women.
 
2009-08-04 04:47:42 PM  
MasterThief: Yellow fever?

Very good! Well played sir.
 
2009-08-04 04:47:58 PM  
brainiac-dumdum: stvdallas: Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary?


Because of this:


lincoln65: WAY TO GO, CLINTON- that's all we needed! Let's give North Korea the legitimacy of governmental contact with the US.


stvdallas and lincoln65 - it sounds like you two need to work on your official Fark Independent argument regarding this issue.
 
2009-08-04 04:48:03 PM  
Mongo cut wood: Obama probably sent him over with billions of our money or traded nuke missile technology to get them back.

You're such a miserable piece of crap.
 
2009-08-04 04:48:10 PM  
Sir Roderick Ponce von Fontlebottom: /Took this long?

I'll be in my bunk..for a while...
 
2009-08-04 04:48:17 PM  
zomega: Well, I do suppose that Clinton can confirm if he actually *met* with Kim Jong-il.

Given all the stories about the man being deathly ill, I was wondering if Kim'd show up, period, or would he send a spokesman.


In the picture accompanying the article, Kim looks awfully thin compared to older photos. It certainly lends credibility to the stories about him being deathly ill.
 
2009-08-04 04:48:33 PM  
First Black President Birr Krintong to Dear Leader: "Where's da Chinaman womens at?"

Heck I wonder if the Algore-employed "journalists" getting captured was just a part of the ruse.


/Why yes, those are quotes from random Freepers...
//I had to go check in and see how they'd try to spin this.
/They're as insane as you'd expect.
//I'm very happy to hear that these two will be coming back home.
 
2009-08-04 04:48:47 PM  
Mongo cut wood: Obama probably sent him over with billions of our money or traded nuke missile technology to get them back.

Yeah, that's probably what happened. Man, you're so smart. Nothing gets past you.
 
2009-08-04 04:48:51 PM  
SecretAgentVeggie: I LOL'd.

/Asian chick


How you doin?
 
2009-08-04 04:49:00 PM  
North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two jailed American journalists and ordered their release following an unannounced meeting with former President Bill Clinton, the North's state media said early Wednesday.


hmm...

two things come to mind:

1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?
 
2009-08-04 04:49:05 PM  
Mongo cut wood: Obama probably sent him over with billions of our money or traded nuke missile technology to get them back.

Your shiat gets staler by the day.
 
2009-08-04 04:49:07 PM  
'He's Jimmy Carter with a Fox attitude'
 
2009-08-04 04:49:15 PM  
He needs one to suck, and one to blow.....

//get it, i'll be here all night folks, thank you, thank you.
///slashies all around.
 
2009-08-04 04:49:17 PM  
It's a shame that Bill Clinton can never be discussed again without a horde of unoriginal retards zooming in screaming dick and fart jokes over everyone.
 
2009-08-04 04:49:29 PM  
isn't Megan Fox Asian?
 
2009-08-04 04:49:35 PM  
CraicBaby: In the picture accompanying the article, Kim looks awfully thin compared to older photos. It certainly lends credibility to the stories about him being deathly ill.

FTFY.

Behold the power of the Clenis!
 
2009-08-04 04:49:46 PM  
"We are so grateful to our government: President Obama, Secretary Clinton and the U.S. State Department for their dedication to and hard work on behalf of American citizens. We especially want to thank President Bill Clinton for taking on such an arduous mission and Vice President Al Gore for his tireless efforts to bring Laura and Euna home," the families said in a joint statement. "We must also thank all the people who have supported our families through this ordeal, it has meant the world to us. We are counting the seconds to hold Laura and Euna in our arms."


What?
 
2009-08-04 04:49:52 PM  
I think Al Gore shuld have gone and got them back. They were his empoyees, after all.
 
2009-08-04 04:49:55 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: cameroncrazy1984: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Huh. Here I thought the OTHER Clinton was SecState.

She is. We don't have normalized relations with North Korea, on account of the fact that they be crazy.

So we send Bill? Why didn't we just send in a SEAL team to get her? This was about diplomacy, and should have been done by Bill's wife, as that's her job.


This isn't 'nam, there are rules.
 
2009-08-04 04:50:08 PM  
...and yet another distraction that will completely derail any progress on healthcare reform or economic recovery.
 
2009-08-04 04:50:10 PM  
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out.

Maybe, but I would have been a hell of a lot more nervous if we had sent George W. Bush over there to sort things out.
 
2009-08-04 04:50:34 PM  
Weaver95: North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two jailed American journalists and ordered their release following an unannounced meeting with former President Bill Clinton, the North's state media said early Wednesday.


hmm...

two things come to mind:

1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?


Been asking this since the start of the thread.

The answers have been:

Something something official recognition something something Hillary has a vagoo something something Bill's a pimp something something Just Cause something something.
 
2009-08-04 04:50:40 PM  
Glad to see my "get a text whenever there's a newsflash" thingy works. I WHILL ALWAYS KOWS WAHT HAPPZN
 
2009-08-04 04:50:49 PM  
Sigh. Attention whore dictator got the attention he wanted again. What a piece of theater.

The release of Laura Ling and Euna Lee was a sign of North Korea's "humanitarian and peace-loving policy," the Korean Central News Agency reported.

Comedy gold!

Uh-huh. Howabout "A sign of using humans as pawns to get what you want", dickheads.

And yes, for those wondering why Bill instead of Hillary, 5 other posters already pointed out we don't have normalized relations, so we have to send someone theoretrically uninvolved 'on the sly' but it's so obvious that it hurts.

If people wouldn't play so dangerously close to the North Korean border just to get a shot for a video, we wouldn't have to play to NK's theatrics to get them out of there.

You can get your shot 10 miles back, you don't have to go into the grey area where the NK millitary patrol. Thanks Al Gore, for bankrolling these moron journalists.

Yes, the subject they were covering (smuggling and sales of NK women) is very serious and worthy of coverage, but you don't have to put your ass right on the line for it, risking an international incident.
 
2009-08-04 04:50:50 PM  
Since this trip was unannounced, it was probably Bill doing some sort of sex tourism thing.

Kim had probably sold the asian chicks to a brothel. Bill requests the 'freshest catch' from the madam. He walks into the room, the girls recognize him, and he comes up with the whole 'humanitarian rescue' thing to cover his ass.

The real shiat is gonna hit the fan when he gets home. He told Hillary he was hiking the Appalachian trail, and gets caught with both hands full of hot yellow poontang.
 
2009-08-04 04:50:52 PM  
Weaver95: North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two jailed American journalists and ordered their release following an unannounced meeting with former President Bill Clinton, the North's state media said early Wednesday.


hmm...

two things come to mind:

1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?


What part of "no normalized diplomatic relations therefore no official negotiation" do you guys not understand? Jeez, it's not that tough a concept.
 
2009-08-04 04:51:00 PM  
This is bad news...for Obama.

/Fox News
/Rush Limbaugh
/Bill O'Reilly
/Sean Hannity
/Glenn Beck
/etc.
 
2009-08-04 04:51:05 PM  
ryebread: Birr Krintong

You've got to admit that's kind of funny.
 
2009-08-04 04:51:16 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: The_Six_Fingered_Man: cameroncrazy1984: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Huh. Here I thought the OTHER Clinton was SecState.

She is. We don't have normalized relations with North Korea, on account of the fact that they be crazy.

So we send Bill? Why didn't we just send in a SEAL team to get her? This was about diplomacy, and should have been done by Bill's wife, as that's her job.

This isn't 'nam, there are rules.


May not be 'Nam, but it's real close.
 
2009-08-04 04:51:20 PM  
Giggity
 
2009-08-04 04:51:26 PM  
Suck it Bolton
 
2009-08-04 04:51:32 PM  
pix.motivatedphotos.com
 
2009-08-04 04:51:40 PM  
Impressed:

img442.imageshack.us
 
2009-08-04 04:51:50 PM  
Lando Lincoln: Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out.

Maybe, but I would have been a hell of a lot more nervous if we had sent George W. Bush over there to sort things out.


Oh I dunno...I would have considered it a fair trade. And i'm sure they'd have given Bush the nicest cell in the re-education camp.
 
2009-08-04 04:52:03 PM  
Killer Cars: Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.


"LISTEN ASSHOLE, I TOLD YOU TO LET THE BIATCHES GO FREE, AND I MEANT IT MOTHERFARKER!"
 
2009-08-04 04:52:08 PM  
Action Replay Nick
It's a shame that Bill Clinton can never be discussed again without a horde of unoriginal retards zooming in screaming dick and fart jokes over everyone.
----------------------------------

Thats what happens when you put yourself in the public eye, and then you put yer lil eye where it don't belong...
 
2009-08-04 04:52:10 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: Something something official recognition something something Hillary has a vagoo something something Bill's a pimp something something Just Cause something something.

Wow, really? I think I'd like some of whatever you're smoking, because over here in reality, the answers have been pretty clear and concise.
 
2009-08-04 04:52:11 PM  
Weaver95: North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two jailed American journalists and ordered their release following an unannounced meeting with former President Bill Clinton, the North's state media said early Wednesday.


hmm...

two things come to mind:

1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?


The bribe of some sort of attention from the USA.

2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?

He's proven to be an excellent negotiator, and he can be sent as a representative of US interests without directly involving the government per se, which would have been Kim's real feather in the cap. We denied him that.
 
2009-08-04 04:52:13 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: cameroncrazy1984: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Huh. Here I thought the OTHER Clinton was SecState.

She is. We don't have normalized relations with North Korea, on account of the fact that they be crazy.

So we send Bill? Why didn't we just send in a SEAL team to get her?


Because the South Koreans don't want Seoul to get leveled.
 
2009-08-04 04:52:15 PM  
contrapunctus: The hand of pimp.

Strong it still is.


Ah-hem! ;-) (new window)
 
2009-08-04 04:52:26 PM  
Weaver95: Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?

Because he is not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate etc, etc, etc.

What the NKs got was a visit from a celebrity who has at least the halo of authority. Kept the US from appearing to entertain the idea of bilateral talks wheil still gwetting your journalists back.
 
2009-08-04 04:52:41 PM  
Kim Jong Il is all ronry now. :-(
 
2009-08-04 04:52:47 PM  
Weaver95: North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two jailed American journalists and ordered their release following an unannounced meeting with former President Bill Clinton, the North's state media said early Wednesday.


hmm...

two things come to mind:

1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?


I think you answered your own #2 question there. Sending Bill allows the US to send somebody with some credibility who isn't part of the government to go and meet with the NK government.
 
2009-08-04 04:52:50 PM  
sweddjen: Could anyone possibly imagine G.W. Bush going around in a few years freeing hostages and prisoners the way Carter and Clinton do?


Well actually . . .

www.acmefilmworks.com
 
2009-08-04 04:52:53 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: What part of "no normalized diplomatic relations therefore no official negotiation" do you guys not understand? Jeez, it's not that tough a concept.

So Hillary is weak and only Bill can do her job?

got it. thanks!
 
2009-08-04 04:52:54 PM  
Ex Machina Deus: Those gotta be some grateful Oriental chicks - Billyboy is renewing his membership in the mile high club on the way home

Not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
 
2009-08-04 04:52:56 PM  
Wonder what they had for dinner ... kimchi and those god awful white grubs?
 
2009-08-04 04:52:56 PM  
Weaver95: North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two jailed American journalists and ordered their release following an unannounced meeting with former President Bill Clinton, the North's state media said early Wednesday.


hmm...

two things come to mind:

1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?


1. Not all nations will accept a woman representative.
2. This wasn't an official act by the US government.
3. Bill Clinton could have been acting on behalf of Gore.
4. It's not called a bribe here, it'd be a ransom.
 
2009-08-04 04:52:58 PM  
i208.photobucket.com

The military-industrial-media complex frowns on Clinton's shenanigans.
 
2009-08-04 04:53:18 PM  
Weaver95: North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two jailed American journalists and ordered their release following an unannounced meeting with former President Bill Clinton, the North's state media said early Wednesday.


hmm...

two things come to mind:

1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?


It was a success for America but you can't back it cause there is a CLinton involved. Congrats, you've devolved back into a partisan idiot.
 
2009-08-04 04:53:28 PM  
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government.

And that's exactly why he went instead of Hillary. He's just a citizen on a humanitarian mission, not a representative of the evil capitalist empire or a pinko librul Obamabot negotiating with turrist dictators.
 
2009-08-04 04:53:31 PM  
sisterinarms: isn't Megan Fox Asian?

She's bilingual
 
2009-08-04 04:53:51 PM  
Il Douchey: Gosling: Oh, who the hell cares. They're free.

I'm glad about that, but the "story" they're trying to sell is ridiculous. There is simply no way this could have occurred without major staging. Even the NK citizens probably realize that it's more Dear Leader gov't bullshiat.


The grapes, they are sour.
 
2009-08-04 04:54:14 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Something something official recognition something something Hillary has a vagoo something something Bill's a pimp something something Just Cause something something.

Wow, really? I think I'd like some of whatever you're smoking, because over here in reality, the answers have been pretty clear and concise.


So, because we don't have normalized relations, we should send Bill Freaking Clinton? Like he won't set off bells and whistles all around? His wife is the Secretary of State for chrissake's. He's a former President. This was anything but an on the sly trip. If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

What people here are saying is that it's ok to negotiate with a crazy person who could have nuclear weapons as long as it's not official.
 
2009-08-04 04:54:15 PM  
Bill Clinton - still the most mackdaddiest of all mack daddies.
 
2009-08-04 04:54:23 PM  
Right, got it - Hillary is weak and can't do her job.

No, really...that makes perfect sense to me!
 
2009-08-04 04:54:26 PM  
sisterinarms: isn't Megan Fox Asian?

not that I'm aware of, but I heard she's bi.
 
2009-08-04 04:54:39 PM  
The picture on Drudge (new window) Report makes them look almost the same height. Is Bill shrinking!?
 
2009-08-04 04:54:41 PM  
Lando Lincoln: Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out.

Maybe, but I would have been a hell of a lot more nervous if we had sent George W. Bush over there to sort things out.


Somehow I think you could have gotten them out. This was negotiated well before Bubba even got on the plane.

He just get's the special "Mile High thank you" on the trip back.
 
2009-08-04 04:54:41 PM  
good to hear.
 
2009-08-04 04:55:02 PM  
Weaver95: Right, got it - Hillary is weak and can't do her job.

No, really...that makes perfect sense to me!


That's Secretary Clinton.
 
2009-08-04 04:55:08 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: cameroncrazy1984: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Something something official recognition something something Hillary has a vagoo something something Bill's a pimp something something Just Cause something something.

Wow, really? I think I'd like some of whatever you're smoking, because over here in reality, the answers have been pretty clear and concise.

So, because we don't have normalized relations, we should send Bill Freaking Clinton? Like he won't set off bells and whistles all around? His wife is the Secretary of State for chrissake's. He's a former President. This was anything but an on the sly trip. If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

What people here are saying is that it's ok to negotiate with a crazy person who could have nuclear weapons as long as it's not official.


Right? Pity it didn't work...
 
2009-08-04 04:55:08 PM  
He's the man.
 
2009-08-04 04:55:21 PM  
sadbad: Bill Clinton simply walks into Mordor

This thread is full of win, but this is a special kind of win.
 
2009-08-04 04:55:23 PM  
excellent. he's been needing a couple new humidors
 
2009-08-04 04:55:24 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.
 
2009-08-04 04:55:25 PM  
Scott the Twat: sweddjen: Could anyone possibly imagine G.W. Bush going around in a few years freeing hostages and prisoners the way Carter and Clinton do?


Well actually . . .


Man, I've got to dust off that graphic novel now.
 
2009-08-04 04:55:43 PM  
Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: What part of "no normalized diplomatic relations therefore no official negotiation" do you guys not understand? Jeez, it's not that tough a concept.

So Hillary is weak and only Bill can do her job?

got it. thanks!


Probably closer to NK doesn't recognize women as people who can hold positions of power.
 
2009-08-04 04:55:50 PM  
buckler:

He's proven to be an excellent negotiator, and he can be sent as a representative of US interests without directly involving the government per se, which would have been Kim's real feather in the cap. We denied him that.


Except if you work at the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.

/BA-ZING!
 
2009-08-04 04:55:52 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: cameroncrazy1984: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Something something official recognition something something Hillary has a vagoo something something Bill's a pimp something something Just Cause something something.

Wow, really? I think I'd like some of whatever you're smoking, because over here in reality, the answers have been pretty clear and concise.

So, because we don't have normalized relations, we should send Bill Freaking Clinton? Like he won't set off bells and whistles all around? His wife is the Secretary of State for chrissake's. He's a former President. This was anything but an on the sly trip. If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

What people here are saying is that it's ok to negotiate with a crazy person who could have nuclear weapons as long as it's not official.


Just say it. You love your party more than your country. A victory for Americans that is a victory for Obama or Clinton is not something you can back.

Just man up and say it.
 
2009-08-04 04:55:56 PM  
temple3.files.wordpress.com

I spent the last year building up an immunity to iocaine powder.
 
2009-08-04 04:55:59 PM  
someonelse: Ex Machina Deus: Those gotta be some grateful Oriental chicks - Billyboy is renewing his membership in the mile high club on the way home

Not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.


That put a different slant to the whole discussion.
 
2009-08-04 04:56:06 PM  
Il Douchey: The picture on Drudge (new window) Report makes them look almost the same height. Is Bill shrinking!?


Maybe he's slouching in order to look less intimidating to Little Kim.

/All part of diplomacy.
 
2009-08-04 04:56:08 PM  
someonelse: Not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please

These aren't the chicks who built the railroads here...
 
2009-08-04 04:56:13 PM  
PascalsGhost: It was a success for America but you can't back it cause there is a CLinton involved. Congrats, you've devolved back into a partisan idiot.

After the whole Haliburton thing, I just get twitchy when the US Government outsources key diplomatic functions to private individuals.
 
2009-08-04 04:56:18 PM  
I agree with you: He needs one to suck, and one to blow.....




Wait, what?!?!? Mega-Maid?

blog.foolsmountain.com
 
2009-08-04 04:56:32 PM  
Weaver95: 2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?

I suspect Bill went so in the event that the prisoners weren't released, it wouldn't reflect as poorly on the Obama administration. If Hillary had been sent and been denied, it would have ruined any credibility she had with the rest of the world.

Bill getting rejected would be easily explained away as "North Korea not negotiating with non governmental officials" or something. But, as we all know, Bill never gets rejected.

Or it could have been Obama saying "Get this done for me, and you're our next ambassador to the UN" or something.
 
2009-08-04 04:56:42 PM  
Weaver95: So Hillary is weak and only Bill can do her job?

got it. thanks!


Don't be willfully obtuse. Hillary is on the US gov payroll and is a high-ranking member of the current administration. Bill Clinton is a former president. Sending secretary of state Clinton would mean the US government is negotiating with NK. Sending former president Clinton on a "personal errand" means only that a former president is asking NK to do something (officially)

It's a stupid game we're all playing, but it works out on paper.
 
2009-08-04 04:56:44 PM  
Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: What part of "no normalized diplomatic relations therefore no official negotiation" do you guys not understand? Jeez, it's not that tough a concept.

So Hillary is weak and only Bill can do her job?

got it. thanks!


No. Hillary Clinton could not have done it because she is the Secretary of State. This particular negotiation could NOT have been done by her because of her job.

If she HAD gone, would you be happy with that or complain that she's entering into bilateral talks with the NKs when the position of the US has always been to have 6 way talks?
 
2009-08-04 04:56:46 PM  
Hank Rearden: buckler:

He's proven to be an excellent negotiator, and he can be sent as a representative of US interests without directly involving the government per se, which would have been Kim's real feather in the cap. We denied him that.

Except if you work at the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.

/BA-ZING!


*golf clap* Well done.
 
2009-08-04 04:57:10 PM  
Weaver95: So Hillary is weak and only Bill can do her job?

got it. thanks!


way to spin it. that was almost as good a spin as Phil Herup.
 
2009-08-04 04:57:10 PM  
I'm glad he got them out, but what exactly was the cost? What did he agree to? Etc? I'd like to know if there's cause to worry in that or if it's something minor.
 
2009-08-04 04:57:13 PM  
that's the 2nd pair of female journalists he's picked up according to fark. How many more is he going for?
 
2009-08-04 04:57:14 PM  
Not sure why everyone thinks this is funnier than the one farther down the page with essentially the same headline.
 
2009-08-04 04:57:15 PM  
img33.imageshack.us

Bill Clinton is a pimp. The internets tells me so, it must be true.
 
2009-08-04 04:57:22 PM  
Wardrobe_Malfunction: This is bad news...for Obama.

/Fox News
/Rush Limbaugh
/Bill O'Reilly
/Sean Hannity
/Glenn Beck
/etc.


Why? The current Administration was powerless to get 2 women freed. An EX president has more power than the Current. Seems to me like good news for the above
 
2009-08-04 04:57:28 PM  
Weaver95: 1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?


I don't know. I have a feeling it wasn't much. And Bill wasn't doing anything special, aside from bothering the shiat out of Hillary.

"Hey, watcha doin?"

"Go away, Bill, I'm busy with things."

"Yeah? Anything I can help with?"

"No. Did you water the plants like I asked you to?"

"Twice. And I took out the trash and walked the dog. Come on! Give me somethin' ta do!"

"Oh, for Christ's sake...here...someone's got to go over and pick up these two reporters from North Korea. I've been meaning to get over there this week, but I've been too busy."

"All right! Now that sounds like a pretty sweet job! Don't worry about nothin', darlin'. I'll get those two Asian girls back home! And I promise not to sleep with either of 'em!"

"Yeah, whatever."

My apologies to the Clintons. I'm proud of Bill for this.
 
2009-08-04 04:57:40 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: .

What people here are saying is that it's ok to negotiate with a crazy person who could have nuclear weapons as long as it's not official.


Exactly! You have to have SOME way to talk to the crazy person with nuclear weapons!
 
2009-08-04 04:57:41 PM  
JimmySlicings: sisterinarms: isn't Megan Fox Asian?

not that I'm aware of, but I heard she's bi.


just like Weird Al's parents
 
2009-08-04 04:57:48 PM  
kagechikara: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.


Yes, and I have met many a Para-rescueman and SEALs.
 
2009-08-04 04:57:51 PM  
Why the hell are you people dumping on the two asian women who were just freed? From what I remember reading when they were captured they were in China taking pictures of North Korea(across the river). The NK guards saw them, traveled over the nearby bridge into China, basically kidnapped the journalists and broughtthem back over the bridge into NK.

The journalists were NOT breaking NK laws, they wern't even in NK until the NK guards kidnapped them.

/someone please correct me if I am wrong about this.
 
2009-08-04 04:58:08 PM  
Weaver95: PascalsGhost: It was a success for America but you can't back it cause there is a CLinton involved. Congrats, you've devolved back into a partisan idiot.

After the whole Haliburton thing, I just get twitchy when the US Government outsources key diplomatic functions to private individuals.


If the US Government sent an official diplomat to N. Korea it would be considered officially recognizing the regime.

Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.
 
2009-08-04 04:58:18 PM  
And he'll probably be picking up 2 more in an hour.
 
2009-08-04 04:58:32 PM  
Weaver95: North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two jailed American journalists and ordered their release following an unannounced meeting with former President Bill Clinton, the North's state media said early Wednesday.


hmm...

two things come to mind:

1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?


exactly..... my reasoning goes: maybe the Obama administration felt that they need to do something w/o being officially connected to the actual negotiations in such politically tense situations. Bill still has a lot of political pull...the fact that journalists worked for Al Gore (indirectly)--Bill's vice pres...or maybe Al gore just decided to call in favor from the Pimp himself.

/Jesus, i sound like a conspiracy nut job.
 
2009-08-04 04:58:34 PM  
Uh oh..and Hillary's away in Africa for 11 days. You know what that means...

Party at Bubba's pad! Bring the drugs and booze, he's bringing the Asian ping-pong ball show!
 
2009-08-04 04:59:02 PM  
Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: What part of "no normalized diplomatic relations therefore no official negotiation" do you guys not understand? Jeez, it's not that tough a concept.

So Hillary is weak and only Bill can do her job?

got it. thanks!



No, this:


lincoln65: WAY TO GO, CLINTON- that's all we needed! Let's give North Korea the legitimacy of governmental contact with the US.
 
2009-08-04 04:59:20 PM  
sigh....if only we could vote him in for a 3rd term. way to go Mr. Clinton :)
 
2009-08-04 04:59:31 PM  
netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.
 
2009-08-04 04:59:51 PM  
Corvus: stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...

The reason you don't send the Secretary of State or any real official is because then the country with hostages will start asking for something in return.

When you send someone not part of the administration they don't have the ability to officially speak for the Admin and thereby not pressured into making a deal for people's return.


Yes. It's sort of amazing how many people don't get how diplomacy (or unofficial "this is not the government acting" diplomacy) works. Going full cock out is not the answer to every situation in the world.
 
2009-08-04 04:59:52 PM  
i55.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 04:59:56 PM  
Bill Clinton, best president we've had this decade.
 
2009-08-04 04:59:58 PM  
I guess Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were unavailable?

Oh, wait, these girls weren't black.

Yeah...I went there.
//Go, Bill, Go!
 
2009-08-04 05:00:03 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: kagechikara: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.

Yes, and I have met many a Para-rescueman and SEALs.


Was that from your time in the Marine Core?
 
2009-08-04 05:00:14 PM  
yea Im an idiot. I read that wrong.....
 
2009-08-04 05:00:21 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: kagechikara: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.

Yes, and I have met many a Para-rescueman and SEALs.


blogs.creativeloafing.com

SUP DAWG I HERD U LIEK SEALS...
 
2009-08-04 05:00:28 PM  
In the DRNK they have one of these at every intersection, directing traffic which does not exist.

jamblichus.files.wordpress.com

Somewhat irrelevant, but it shows how crazy they are.
 
2009-08-04 05:01:00 PM  
Megain: excellent. he's been needing a couple new humidors

That made me laugh, well done.
 
2009-08-04 05:01:05 PM  
mandingueiro: wait a sec. they break the laws of a foreign nation and because the west was indignant they get to go free? If they did not work for a high profile media outlet they would not go free.

You'd make a great aparatchik.
 
2009-08-04 05:01:15 PM  
www.talkingpointsmemo.com


Bill and Kim wait patiently for their lap dance.
 
2009-08-04 05:01:22 PM  
olddinosaur: Somewhat irrelevant, but it shows how crazy they are.

Would hit it, for the good of the motherland.
 
2009-08-04 05:01:25 PM  
Never thought I'd get to use this again

img7.imageshack.us
 
2009-08-04 05:01:47 PM  
Rapmaster2000: The_Six_Fingered_Man: kagechikara: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.

Yes, and I have met many a Para-rescueman and SEALs.

Was that from your time in the Marine Core?


Actually, that would be from my time in the Air Force. When did you serve?
 
2009-08-04 05:01:50 PM  
ronpemberton.com
Korean chicks FTW.

/Hot like, oh I don't know...
 
2009-08-04 05:01:58 PM  
An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Wardrobe_Malfunction: This is bad news...for Obama.

/Fox News
/Rush Limbaugh
/Bill O'Reilly
/Sean Hannity
/Glenn Beck
/etc.

Why? The current Administration was powerless to get 2 women freed. An EX president has more power than the Current. Seems to me like good news for the above


bwahaha so the current administration had nothing to do with this?

that's a bold statement coming from a nobody
 
2009-08-04 05:02:01 PM  
Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.


Please elaborate.
 
2009-08-04 05:02:08 PM  
Sliding Carp: I spent the last year building up an immunity to iocaine powder.

I giggled like a schoolgirl.
 
2009-08-04 05:02:14 PM  
I'm normally fairly hawkish, yet it amazes me the compliants in this thread about Bubba using words, as opposed to Delta Force, to get the journalists out.

We lose nothing, when you wake up tomorrow we'll still have the ability to turn South Korea into an island any time the northern half of the pennisula annoys us. We'll still have warships shadowing North Korean merchant vessels suspected of moving nuclear materials, we'll still have ~26k troops south of the DMZ and the most powerful military known to mankind.

In exchange the crazy midget got a photo of him with Bill Clinton he can photoshop and use for internal bullshiat PR purposes, big deal.

Who knows, maybe we slipped them a little fuel or food aid under the table. Big deal, the aid likely costs a quarter of what a cruise missile strike would (them suckers aren't cheap). When you get right down it our dumbass citizes crossed the border and got busted by a hostile regime. Our citizens weren't sitting at home watching Hulu when a North Korean kidnapping squad kicked down their front door and pulled them out of their homes in CA. They were snooping around, got caught and we got them back without having to start a war over it.

Now if say NK starts sending kidnapping squads to CA to grab people, then we can talk about a military response as opposed having Bubba drop by for a visit.
 
2009-08-04 05:02:36 PM  
Weaver95: 1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?

Look on the bright side, Weaves. At least it's not going to sick American kids who's families can't afford corporate health insurance.
 
2009-08-04 05:02:47 PM  
Weaver95: PascalsGhost: It was a success for America but you can't back it cause there is a CLinton involved. Congrats, you've devolved back into a partisan idiot.

After the whole Haliburton thing, I just get twitchy when the US Government outsources key diplomatic functions to private individuals.


No, you just hate the Clintons far more than you love your country.

It's pathetic really.
 
2009-08-04 05:02:55 PM  
I said it in a red-light thread and I'll say here. Is there anything this man can't do?
 
2009-08-04 05:03:02 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: Rapmaster2000: The_Six_Fingered_Man: kagechikara: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.

Yes, and I have met many a Para-rescueman and SEALs.

Was that from your time in the Marine Core?

Actually, that would be from my time in the Air Force. When did you serve?


Just now. You got served.
 
2009-08-04 05:03:11 PM  
Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: What part of "no normalized diplomatic relations therefore no official negotiation" do you guys not understand? Jeez, it's not that tough a concept.

So Hillary is weak and only Bill can do her job?

got it. thanks!


Wow. Did you catch some of the crazy that's affecting all Fark IndependentsTM these days? I guess people who are so against diplomacy just don't bother to understand how it works.
 
2009-08-04 05:03:13 PM  
olddinosaur: In the DRNK they have one of these at every intersection, directing traffic which does not exist.



Somewhat irrelevant, but it shows how crazy they are.


So there is one of those on every street standing around with no one to talk to? Insane!

/scrambles to renew passport
 
2009-08-04 05:03:39 PM  
Weaver95: Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.

Riiiiight.

Because there's a shiat-ton of money to be made springing a couple of reporters from the NK hoosegow and giving 'lil Kim a shot at some kind of PR.

I have it on good authority that if you render asian women down to their component parts, you can run the city of Las Vegas on the byproduct for 1,000 years!
 
2009-08-04 05:03:50 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: Rapmaster2000: The_Six_Fingered_Man: kagechikara: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.

Yes, and I have met many a Para-rescueman and SEALs.

Was that from your time in the Marine Core?

Actually, that would be from my time in the Air Force. When did you serve?


Wow, you even served and you STILL are politics over country. Disgraceful.
 
2009-08-04 05:03:54 PM  
Rapmaster2000: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Rapmaster2000: The_Six_Fingered_Man: kagechikara: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.

Yes, and I have met many a Para-rescueman and SEALs.

Was that from your time in the Marine Core?

Actually, that would be from my time in the Air Force. When did you serve?

Just now. You got served.


Original. Which reminds me. Everyone Pray for Omarion.
 
2009-08-04 05:03:59 PM  
I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?
 
2009-08-04 05:04:12 PM  
I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Do you honestly believe ol' George W. Crackhead, Mr. "Axis of Evil" himself could have done that?

Hell, that drunkard probably can't even find N.K. on a map, let alone try any diplomatic skills.


Of course. Kim could've spun that as "look everybody! The asshole that called us part of the 'Axis of Evil' is coming back on knees begging like a f*cking dog!"

Dubya would also be forced to be ridden by Kim like a mule, with him pulling on Dubya's ears for directional commands, but hey, it'd be great TV!
 
2009-08-04 05:04:15 PM  
Rapmaster2000:

Just now. You got served.


Ouch.
 
2009-08-04 05:04:53 PM  
Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.


Bill brought biatches back?
 
2009-08-04 05:04:58 PM  
PascalsGhost: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Rapmaster2000: The_Six_Fingered_Man: kagechikara: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.

Yes, and I have met many a Para-rescueman and SEALs.

Was that from your time in the Marine Core?

Actually, that would be from my time in the Air Force. When did you serve?

Wow, you even served and you STILL are politics over country. Disgraceful.


Because I think that we should have sent our Chief Diplomat or a heavily armed rescue squad instead of a former President?
 
2009-08-04 05:05:00 PM  
driven to quit: I said it in a red-light thread and I'll say here. Is there anything this man can't do?

Be abstinent?
 
2009-08-04 05:05:01 PM  
I would kick it. . . .


www.negotiationlawblog.com

For my contribution to "International Relations", of course. . . . .
 
2009-08-04 05:05:01 PM  
contrapunctus: The hand of pimp.

Strong it still is.


If you Voted for Bill or not. One must give it up to Master Hoe.
Bill is the MAN. I would bet there will be a little payment on the way home.
 
2009-08-04 05:05:02 PM  
When are these stupid American kids going to stop going to places like North Korea and Iran to fark around until they get arrested? They just end up as international bargaining chips for dictatorships.5
 
2009-08-04 05:05:05 PM  
olddinosaur: Somewhat irrelevant, but it shows how crazy they are.

I kinda like those uniforms. great color scheme.
very WWII'ish.
rawr.

Look like they could bust out with an Andrew's sister song.
 
2009-08-04 05:05:18 PM  
Anyone else amused at the fact that he didn't go over there until *after* they opened the first McNorko? Bubba still loves the fast food.... and he even got some asian to bring home!

/I'll be here all week, try the veal
 
2009-08-04 05:05:28 PM  
Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

That would be funny if John Bolten hadn't already said that.
 
2009-08-04 05:05:31 PM  
Hobodeluxe: The military-industrial-media complex frowns on Clinton's shenanigans.

God, is there a group of old white guys that could possibly be more douche-filled? Ug
 
2009-08-04 05:05:38 PM  
Weaver95: North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two jailed American journalists and ordered their release following an unannounced meeting with former President Bill Clinton, the North's state media said early Wednesday.


hmm...

two things come to mind:

1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?


You are smarter than this Weaver. Do you not remember a few weeks back NK saying this about Hillary Clinton,"by no means intelligent" and a "funny lady."? They simply do not respect her and would not have spoken to her. But you know this.
 
2009-08-04 05:06:01 PM  
Hobodeluxe: Bill and Kim wait patiently for their lap dance.

I need a photoshop of a stripper on thier laps STAT!!!!

Maybe a dance pole.....
 
2009-08-04 05:06:02 PM  
stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...


Exactly, that is WHY she couldn't go. We do not have diplomatic relations with DPRK, so technically anyone bound to the presidential order cannot negotiate with them. That is why we run our communications with DPRK through Sweden.
 
2009-08-04 05:06:14 PM  
sweddjen: Could anyone possibly imagine G.W. Bush going around in a few years freeing hostages and prisoners the way Carter and Clinton do?

/didn't think so


I'm pretty sure if he sets foot in the wrong countries Bill Clinton would be coming there to secure Bush's release. Maybe.
 
2009-08-04 05:06:28 PM  
Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

yup
 
2009-08-04 05:06:31 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: Because I think that we should have sent our Chief Diplomat or a heavily armed rescue squad instead of a former President?

Because you think that a) we have normalized relations with a punk state like NK and b) starting a war is worth two journalists.
 
2009-08-04 05:06:33 PM  
bartink: How the hell would you know that?

You don't.

Stupid post was stupid.


I know! Such an egregious transgression on my part to state my opinion on an internet message board!
 
2009-08-04 05:06:40 PM  
I'm sure there is a catch... for Bill.

Go ahead ladies, give the man some love while flying back to the States.
 
2009-08-04 05:06:41 PM  
Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: What part of "no normalized diplomatic relations therefore no official negotiation" do you guys not understand? Jeez, it's not that tough a concept.

So Hillary is weak and only Bill can do her job?

got it. thanks!


Wow. That was an impressive failure of reading comprehension.
 
2009-08-04 05:06:46 PM  
the lord god: Weaver95: North Korean leader Kim Jong Il has pardoned two jailed American journalists and ordered their release following an unannounced meeting with former President Bill Clinton, the North's state media said early Wednesday.


hmm...

two things come to mind:

1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?

You are smarter than this Weaver. Do you not remember a few weeks back NK saying this about Hillary Clinton,"by no means intelligent" and a "funny lady."? They simply do not respect her and would not have spoken to her. But you know this.


So the question becomes, was Secretary Clinton the best choice?
 
2009-08-04 05:07:00 PM  
Clinton's an asshole and blew up a bunch of people for no good reason (a lot like Bush), but good for him for this. Makes perfect sense they couldn't send a diplomat, because we don't have diplomatic relations with NK.

Also, I just noticed that the Korean peninsula looks to be missing on the Fark world map.
 
2009-08-04 05:07:00 PM  
Well, that explains everything:

i26.tinypic.com
 
2009-08-04 05:07:15 PM  
Man, how pissed is Jesse Jackson right now?
 
2009-08-04 05:07:33 PM  
netweavr: Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.

Please elaborate.


well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.
 
2009-08-04 05:07:42 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: or a heavily armed rescue squad instead of a former President?

or John Rambo.

Actually, Rambo might be overkill, this is, after all, NK, not Vietnam. We probably could have gotten the job done with Frank Stallone.
 
2009-08-04 05:07:45 PM  
stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...


What likely happened is they've been trying to secure a release deal for weeks if not months, and as part of the deal, NK wanted the most prestigious American they could get to come and publicly "negotiate" with Kim Jong-Il for the release of the prisoners. Al Gore is these journalists' boss, and Hillary Clinton is the SoS, so Bill Clinton makes sense as both a "private citizen" to send, and as someone with significant public standing and a close relationship to the State Department. He's a very public private citizen - but that fig leaf is still there, which leads to a greater independence in what he can do and who he can meet, since he isn't actively setting policy.

Nobody this significant from the US has visited NK since Madeleine Albright in 2000, so this is a very big deal for NK (they also never got a Clinton or a Bush visit during their presidencies, obviously.) Currently their state news is pushing photos of the meetings, so it's likely something they regard as a great success. Whatever else Bill Clinton has discussed with the North Koreans is speculative at this point, although it is likely to be a positive thing overall. First, NK using this bargaining chip now could be a sign they're more willing to negotiate or open up talks. It's possible Bill has laid some groundwork for other meetings. We'll have to see what happens.
 
2009-08-04 05:08:00 PM  
guilt by association: Well, that explains everything:

heh win!
 
2009-08-04 05:08:14 PM  
JohnBigBootay: mandingueiro: wait a sec. they break the laws of a foreign nation and because the west was indignant they get to go free? If they did not work for a high profile media outlet they would not go free.

You'd make a great aparatchik.


no, but when i'm in foreign countries I respect their laws...no matter how much i disagree w/ them.

/this is more of a PR problem based opposing political ideologies.
//and its actually spelled apparatchik
 
2009-08-04 05:08:16 PM  
Maybe if G.W.B. asked Saddam nicely he would have stepped down too ?
Instead of fertilizing Iraqi soil with dead Americans and Iraqis.
 
2009-08-04 05:08:40 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: Because I think that we should have sent our Chief Diplomat or a heavily armed rescue squad instead of a former President?

The world is not a Tom Clancy book.
 
2009-08-04 05:08:43 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: So the question becomes, was Secretary Clinton the best choice?

No, because she is bound by presidential order as an officer of the US government not to negotiate with North Korea. But you knew that, right?
 
2009-08-04 05:08:48 PM  
Came for pictures of hot Korean chicks and ignoring the old willie billy dilly dazzler...

/leaving disappointed
 
2009-08-04 05:08:53 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: Because I think that we should have sent our Chief Diplomat or a heavily armed rescue squad instead of a former President?

Why? It worked, didn't it? What, not enough "PEW PEW PEW BLAM BLADOOOOWWWWW" for you? Jesus.
 
2009-08-04 05:09:03 PM  
SupremeLeader: Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.

Bill brought biatches back?


He's the Man we just sent him out for beer and POW.
 
2009-08-04 05:09:04 PM  
i259.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 05:09:14 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-08-04 05:09:27 PM  
SeismicJizzer: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

yup


LAUGHTER OL.
 
2009-08-04 05:09:49 PM  
olddinosaur: In the DRNK they have one of these at every intersection, directing traffic which does not exist.


What's more bizarre is how flamboyant they are with their directing and movements.
 
2009-08-04 05:09:52 PM  
D-Liver: stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...

Exactly, that is WHY she couldn't go. We do not have diplomatic relations with DPRK, so technically anyone bound to the presidential order cannot negotiate with them. That is why we run our communications with DPRK through Sweden.


don't explain it, he's too stupid and partisan to understand.
 
2009-08-04 05:09:57 PM  
Weaver95: 1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?
2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?


the bribe was that Bill promised to show Kim his collection on Hillary nudes. and he showed him his best sex move. the famous "Clintoned in the boobies" technique. It always leaves them satisfied.

Why Bill? The first answer should make it clear.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:08 PM  
Lol, the amount of spin and obtuseness in this thread is amazing.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:09 PM  
inconnu: When are these stupid American kids going to stop going to places like North Korea and Iran to fark around until they get arrested? They just end up as international bargaining chips for dictatorships.5

Because somebody has to put them on the news. Somebpoy has to get the facts out to people, not leave it covered up by the NK regime.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:13 PM  
olddinosaur: In the DRNK they have one of these at every intersection, directing traffic which does not exist.



Somewhat irrelevant, but it shows how crazy they are.


2 on the right and one on the left... I found them HAWT. RAWR.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:13 PM  
Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Weaver95: 1. What sort of bribe did we pay to get those two reporters released?

Look on the bright side, Weaves. At least it's not going to sick American kids who's families can't afford corporate health insurance.


heh
 
2009-08-04 05:10:18 PM  
Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.

Please elaborate.

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


Please elaborate on the other end of the analogy.

How is this like Haliburton?
 
2009-08-04 05:10:21 PM  
Two women and a release? Who else but Clinton would go to North Korea and seal the deal.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:30 PM  
Bolton's world view is hilarious. The idea that "rogue" nations need to be ignored until they behave in such a way to deserve positive attention was tried during Bush's tenure, and failed by any metric.

And no lip about Libya and Gaddafi, that schnit started in 1999.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:33 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: PascalsGhost: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Rapmaster2000: The_Six_Fingered_Man: kagechikara: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.

Yes, and I have met many a Para-rescueman and SEALs.

Was that from your time in the Marine Core?

Actually, that would be from my time in the Air Force. When did you serve?

Wow, you even served and you STILL are politics over country. Disgraceful.

Because I think that we should have sent our Chief Diplomat or a heavily armed rescue squad instead of a former President?


I'm fairly sure the "send a heavily armed rescue squad" option would have resulted in the complete destruction of Seoul immediately after completion.

Then again I'd wager that you don't live in Seoul, so that would still be an acceptable loss in your eyes right?
 
2009-08-04 05:10:34 PM  
me_the_farker: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

That would be funny if John Bolten hadn't already said that.


John Bolton thinks that diplomacy doesn't work and is doing everything possible to prove his point, including insulting those he "negotiates" with.
Not a master of subtlety, he.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:38 PM  
Donald_McRonald: SeismicJizzer: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

yup

LAUGHTER OL.


Stop that. I hate that shiat.
 
2009-08-04 05:10:48 PM  
Broz_Tito: Maybe if G.W.B. asked Saddam nicely he would have stepped down too ?
Instead of fertilizing Iraqi soil with dead Americans and Iraqis.


Trust me, that sounded way cooler/more coherent in your head.
 
2009-08-04 05:11:00 PM  
netweavr:
1. Not all nations will accept a woman representative.

Madeline Albright and her "basketball diplomacy" worked just fine last time. Also Condi Rice met with some pretty damn traditional Muslims during her day and they listened to her.

Stop saying it. It's not true.
 
2009-08-04 05:11:29 PM  
powerman2424: et caught, and we have to come a-running? Where is the accountability for these two

I dunno, I'd say 5 months of time served in a North Korean hard labor prison might be punishment enough..

just sayin.
 
2009-08-04 05:11:30 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: PascalsGhost: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Rapmaster2000: The_Six_Fingered_Man: kagechikara: The_Six_Fingered_Man: If they wanted to get these women home without negotiating, there are ways.

Enlighten us, please. Clearly you've seen an action movie or two in your time.

Yes, and I have met many a Para-rescueman and SEALs.

Was that from your time in the Marine Core?

Actually, that would be from my time in the Air Force. When did you serve?

Wow, you even served and you STILL are politics over country. Disgraceful.

Because I think that we should have sent our Chief Diplomat or a heavily armed rescue squad instead of a former President?


Because things like this are a test. It is a good day for Americans, and two young American hostages were freed from a tyrant. There is no way to spin this into anything bad. it was handed smoothly without a hitch. Only thing to say is "Good job!"


Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.



Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.

Please elaborate.

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


You're suck a goddamned idiot Weav. Tell them how Clinton killed Vince Foster you farking retard.
 
2009-08-04 05:11:30 PM  
In exchange for the two prisoners KIm Jong-il got equivalent weight in Hennesy.

skeetandbigsexy.com
 
2009-08-04 05:11:43 PM  
netweavr: Please elaborate on the other end of the analogy.

How is this like Haliburton?


um...I just did.

Here - try actually READING it this time:

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.
 
2009-08-04 05:11:53 PM  
Mongo cut wood: Obama probably sent him over with billions of our money or traded nuke missile technology to get them back.

dude! it's getting old. STFU allready or come up with something more original next time aiite!
 
2009-08-04 05:12:04 PM  
I'm glad two Americans are coming home safe.

Everything else is irrelevant.

Please continue the whargarble.
 
2009-08-04 05:12:16 PM  
Obama and Clinton have figured out what thet little shiat Kim Jong Illlin' wants... not nukes or other crap like that, but RESPECT. That's what is important to little tinpot dictator lawn gnomes like him, a sense that a powerful country which has moved on to the 21st century while his is still in the first half of the 20th actually takes his little kingdom seriously.

It's all about ego. Good for Bubba.
 
2009-08-04 05:12:19 PM  
stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...


Because the U.S. does not have diplomatic relations with North Korea. They needed a civilian to ask for the release, and that's what Bill did.
 
2009-08-04 05:12:22 PM  
I am outraged that the US was forced to apologize to this sleazy dictator (and give into god knows what demands) because these women were stupid enough to do what they did. When will people learn that other countries don't care that you are American and that you do not have the same rights when in other countries. You go to these countries and break their laws you take your chances. Just like the idiots who are being held in Iran, I believe they were warned yet they crossed that border anyway.

Do they each have to give Bill a Lewinsky now?
 
2009-08-04 05:12:30 PM  
butterchik: netweavr:
1. Not all nations will accept a woman representative.

Madeline Albright and her "basketball diplomacy" worked just fine last time. Also Condi Rice met with some pretty damn traditional Muslims during her day and they listened to her.

Stop saying it. It's not true.


Please read N. Korea's reaction to Secretary Clinton from 2 weeks ago(?).
 
2009-08-04 05:12:35 PM  
Tea_tempest_Cup:

I'm fairly sure the "send a heavily armed rescue squad" option would have resulted in the complete destruction of Seoul immediately after completion.

Then again I'd wager that you don't live in Seoul, so that would still be an acceptable loss in your eyes right?


That wouldn't happen because Chuck Norris would totally jump the guys in the watchtower and slit their throats without making a sound. Clearly, you've never seen Missing In Action 2.
 
2009-08-04 05:12:58 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man:
So the question becomes, was Secretary Clinton the best choice?


Who knows. So far she has done just fine. Its North Korea not liking her. The rest of the world seems fine with her. Had this happened under Bush do you really think he would have sent Condi Rice?
 
2009-08-04 05:13:08 PM  
Don't be surprised if NK has a fancy new high speed internet infrastructure in the future... or maybe a new oil pipeline.

This was a business deal, and the two cute girls were a front.
 
2009-08-04 05:13:15 PM  
Broz_Tito: Maybe if G.W.B. asked Saddam nicely he would have stepped down too ?
Instead of fertilizing Iraqi soil with dead Americans and Iraqis.


I recall Putin tried to give Saddam asylum, but Saddam wouldn't go. Of course, can you imagine the butthurt if Russia had rolled into Iraq before the US Army could?

/Race you to Baghdad!
 
2009-08-04 05:13:31 PM  
Weaver95: 2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?

Actually several ex-presidents have done negotiations and other diplomacy after the presidency. Generally while their party is in the WH.

Don't forget his wife is Secretary of State... and he had full security clearance. Makes him an even more ideal person to handle such a task.

And the official policy of the US not negotiating still stands since he wasn't in office... generally the reason why ex-politicians do this kind of stuff.

Other countries do the same thing, ex-PM's, or sending high religious leaders... same concept. It's a high powered diplomat who doesn't have tight ties with the current administration.

It's about the same as a descendant of a company namesake doing a commercial, but having no day-to-day responsibility in the organization. Gives people the warm and fuzzies (ah tradition)... but doesn't impact the org at all.
 
2009-08-04 05:13:32 PM  
Rapmaster2000: Donald_McRonald: SeismicJizzer: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

yup

LAUGHTER OL.

Stop that. I hate that shiat.


Someone should get that filtered to ***HELLO EVERYONE I HAVE JUST LAUGHED OUT LOUD***

But then again, maybe that's more annoying.
 
2009-08-04 05:13:38 PM  
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.


I SAID LET THEM TWO MOTHERfarkIN' biatchES GO NOW, MOTHERfarkER!!!

\Mr. Jackson is the motherfarker bomb!
 
2009-08-04 05:13:39 PM  
Weaver95: ...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters.

...or so you assume.

A bit of advice, don't assume shiat.
 
2009-08-04 05:13:46 PM  
Weaver95: netweavr: Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.

Please elaborate.

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


You gotta be kidding.
 
2009-08-04 05:13:57 PM  
SupremeLeader: me_the_farker: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

That would be funny if John Bolten hadn't already said that.

John Bolton thinks that diplomacy doesn't work and is doing everything possible to prove his point, including insulting those he "negotiates" with.
Not a master of subtlety, he.


If you were a constipated walrus, would you be subtle about anything?
 
2009-08-04 05:14:02 PM  
Weaver95: netweavr: Please elaborate on the other end of the analogy.

How is this like Haliburton?

um...I just did.

Here - try actually READING it this time:

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


Bush used Haliburton to secure the non-violent release of hostages in Iraq?
 
2009-08-04 05:14:05 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: What people here are saying is that it's ok to negotiate with a crazy person who could have nuclear weapons as long as it's not official.

No, we're saying if someone can go get these chicks home without giving the crazy dude anything tangible in return then we ought to do it. I know you'd like to get all ross perot in a helicopter on someone because you're read too much soldier of fortune but that shiat wouldn't work with NK.
 
2009-08-04 05:14:11 PM  
Buffalo Bill brings 'em home!
 
2009-08-04 05:14:25 PM  
PascalsGhost: You're suck a goddamned idiot Weav. Tell them how Clinton killed Vince Foster you farking retard.

that whole 'end justifies the means' thing is what got the Bush administration into trouble. Now I see the Obama folks following suit.

Sorry dude, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2009-08-04 05:14:44 PM  
Weaver95: netweavr: Please elaborate on the other end of the analogy.

How is this like Haliburton?

um...I just did.

Here - try actually READING it this time:

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


Wow, I mean this thread has set you back on the ol' respect meter about 10 years. I mean, this is one of the stupidest analogies I've ever seen.
 
2009-08-04 05:14:56 PM  
Were they heavy?
 
2009-08-04 05:15:05 PM  
An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: "We are so grateful to our government: President Obama, Secretary Clinton and the U.S. State Department for their dedication to and hard work on behalf of American citizens. We especially want to thank President Bill Clinton for taking on such an arduous mission and Vice President Al Gore for his tireless efforts to bring Laura and Euna home," the families said in a joint statement. "We must also thank all the people who have supported our families through this ordeal, it has meant the world to us. We are counting the seconds to hold Laura and Euna in our arms."


What?


In Ahnold translation: GET TO DA CHOPPA
 
2009-08-04 05:15:07 PM  
Bill Clinton showing that he's still the MAN!

/re-elect Bill ASAP
 
2009-08-04 05:15:11 PM  
the lord god: The_Six_Fingered_Man:
So the question becomes, was Secretary Clinton the best choice?

Who knows. So far she has done just fine. Its North Korea not liking her. The rest of the world seems fine with her. Had this happened under Bush do you really think he would have sent Condi Rice?


You mean like Sec Rice talking to North Korea about their nuclear weapons program?

North Korea doesn't just dislike Secretary Clinton because she's a woman. That much is evident from the relations that Secretaries Rice and Albright have had with North Korea.
 
2009-08-04 05:15:21 PM  
i25.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 05:15:46 PM  
stvdallas: Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?


We don't have formal diplomatic relations with the DPRK. Hence, no State Department mission and thus no Hillary. Sending Hillary would send the signal that we're considering establishing formal ties which is probably a bit too far too fast right now.
 
2009-08-04 05:15:48 PM  
Bill Clinton gets shiat done. That's why losers hate him.
 
2009-08-04 05:15:56 PM  
netweavr: Bush used Haliburton to secure the non-violent release of hostages in Iraq?

you have failed at reading comprehension.
 
2009-08-04 05:16:04 PM  
Clinton was the right choice, particularly since guys like Bill Richardson and Algore weren't getting any traction with the regime. Clinton was someone NK had negotiated with before (via Carter) and he could command an audience on more equal standing with the dear leader. He's no longer a member of government, so you don't have concerns over "direct" negotiations by the US government, but dear leader doesn't lose face meeting with him (in Asian culture, a highly important factor in direct dealings); but as Hillary's "husband," he has direct access to the White House and can act as an effective intermediary.

And no, Bush would not have been sent, because this is a Dem regime, so they're going to send one of their guys. You didn't see Bush sending out Carter for things like this (see China spyplane incident for instance), that would be ridiculous. Of course, the fact that he called NK part of the "Axis of Evil" doesn't help either. Perhaps he'd be helpful if something like this happened in Sub-Saharan Africa (maybe... but that's the only place).

And honestly, I don't think Dubya'd be interested in going anyway. He's done now and I don't think he's very eager to get back involved in situations like this in the first place. I think by the end of his last term he was just ready to blow outta there anyway (shiat, I would be too after the beatings he'd taken, deservedly or undeservedly. Whether you're a joke or the smartest man on earth, being president is a mentally and physically taxing job. Just look at all the before/after pics of presidents, the job ages EVERY one of them remarkably).

/Not a Clinton fan
//but i voted for him once
///and for Dubya twice. I know... but seriously, Al Gore and John Kerry? Couldn't bring myself to do it.
 
2009-08-04 05:16:20 PM  
So far I've also noted that no picture I have seen with Clinton in NK has him smiling at all. He's going to give them their little attention whore moment in order to secure the freedom of two Americans, but he's not going to give them the full smiling Clinton propaganda symbol.

"Yeah, I'm here. We're sucking it up to secure the freedom of American citizens. No, I'm not going to give you a picture of us yucking it up together."
 
2009-08-04 05:16:25 PM  
Once again, Bill Clinton proves that ten minutes is just long enough.
 
2009-08-04 05:16:33 PM  
Weaver95: Sorry dude, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Minus the bombing and the war profiteering. Which is the big difference.
 
2009-08-04 05:16:48 PM  
There is an old Vulcan proverb: Only Clinton can go to North Korea.
 
2009-08-04 05:16:59 PM  
Weaver95: netweavr: Please elaborate on the other end of the analogy.

How is this like Haliburton?

um...I just did.

Here - try actually READING it this time:

well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


Your analogy doesn't really take into account that Haliburton is a publicly traded company, and their actions in Iraq made a lot of people a lot of money.

Where as Bill is a person.

Bush and Cheney made money from using Haliburton.

Obama probably isn't going to see his stock portfolio increase due to Bill posing for some pictures.
 
2009-08-04 05:17:00 PM  
SupremeLeader: me_the_farker: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

That would be funny if John Bolten hadn't already said that.

John Bolton thinks that diplomacy doesn't work and is doing everything possible to prove his point, including insulting those he "negotiates" with.
Not a master of subtlety, he.


The mustache has infiltrated his brain.

i278.photobucket.com

It's not a cold sore!

/anyone catch that? anyone?
 
2009-08-04 05:17:05 PM  
Weaver95: netweavr: Bush used Haliburton to secure the non-violent release of hostages in Iraq?

you have failed at reading comprehension.


I accept your apology.
 
2009-08-04 05:17:13 PM  
What percentage of people who are biatching about sending someone who isn't a government official do you think would be biatching about recognizing North Korea's government if we sent a government official?
 
2009-08-04 05:17:14 PM  
Weaver95: PascalsGhost: You're suck a goddamned idiot Weav. Tell them how Clinton killed Vince Foster you farking retard.

that whole 'end justifies the means' thing is what got the Bush administration into trouble. Now I see the Obama folks following suit.

Sorry dude, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.


You Clinton mania is amazing. The fact you think you gotta be an Obama folk to think this is great really reveals a lot. You're a terrible American. Really, go sit down and think about shiat.
 
2009-08-04 05:17:19 PM  
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Weaver95: Sorry dude, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Minus the bombing and the war profiteering. Which is the big difference.


and the staying indefinitely
 
2009-08-04 05:17:19 PM  
He learned Korean on the plane flight over.

i14.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 05:17:35 PM  
Cool, I guess. Of course, now those two chicks owe him, BIG TIME. That Clinton is one cagey bastard. If the price of a job in the White House is a hummer, imagine what freedom from 12 years of hard labor in a North Korean prison camp is. Dayum... I trust Farkers can use their imaginations on this one.

Not a Clinton hater, just sayin'... Also, kinda surprised not to see more hot Asian chick pictures.
 
2009-08-04 05:17:56 PM  
Weaver95: 2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government. How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?

Because there are no restrictions preventing him from doing it as a private citizen.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_988.html
 
2009-08-04 05:18:14 PM  
Weaver95: PascalsGhost: You're suck a goddamned idiot Weav. Tell them how Clinton killed Vince Foster you farking retard.

that whole 'end justifies the means' thing is what got the Bush administration into trouble. Now I see the Obama folks following suit.

Sorry dude, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.


Bill Clinton invaded North Korea?

apples and bunker busters, man. You're reaching waaaayyy too far.
 
2009-08-04 05:18:15 PM  
 
2009-08-04 05:18:17 PM  
No big Clinton fan, but I'll give credit where credit is due:

Thank you Mr. President.
 
2009-08-04 05:18:20 PM  
Rapmaster2000: Tea_tempest_Cup:

I'm fairly sure the "send a heavily armed rescue squad" option would have resulted in the complete destruction of Seoul immediately after completion.

Then again I'd wager that you don't live in Seoul, so that would still be an acceptable loss in your eyes right?

That wouldn't happen because Chuck Norris would totally jump the guys in the watchtower and slit their throats without making a sound. Clearly, you've never seen Missing In Action 2.


Clearly...
 
2009-08-04 05:18:35 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: Rapmaster2000: Donald_McRonald: SeismicJizzer: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

yup

LAUGHTER OL.

Stop that. I hate that shiat.

Someone should get that filtered to ***HELLO EVERYONE I HAVE JUST LAUGHED OUT LOUD***

But then again, maybe that's more annoying.


L OUT L
 
2009-08-04 05:18:38 PM  
Hmmmmmmmmmm, cute. . . . .

www.dailynk.com

I wonder how they "earned" all those medals at such an early age?
 
2009-08-04 05:18:40 PM  
I am outraged that the US was forced to apologize to this sleazy dictator (and give into god knows what demands) because these women were stupid enough to do what they did.

They were on the Chinese side of the border with cameras. This was apparently enough provocation for NK guards to dash over the border and seize them for "hostile acts". Lil' Kim isn't important enough for our government to pay any serious attention to, but we take their word on the trumped-up charges against people who were doing nothing wrong? Interesting leap of logic, there.
 
2009-08-04 05:18:46 PM  
Weaver95: And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bush did nothing diplomatic with Afghanistan or Iraq.
 
2009-08-04 05:18:48 PM  
Kudos to Bill for getting this done. As a person who is somewhat conservative and endured 8 years of facepalms with W's cowboy diplomacy antics it's good to see Bill on the international stage again.
 
2009-08-04 05:18:51 PM  
Weaver95: It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

Bush/Cheney's motto was "my way or the highway." Because a former U.S. President asked nicely, a couple of stupid reporters won't have to spend the next 20-30 years in a North Korean labor camp.

Of course, this doesn't sit well with conservatives, who are upset at having their long history of foreign policy incompetence pointed out. Upset that they didn't get to strut and posture for their "base" about those SCAREY commies. That's ok, they'll get over it. Probably within the next 10 minutes.
 
2009-08-04 05:19:14 PM  
img1.fark.net
 
2009-08-04 05:19:18 PM  
netweavr: butterchik: netweavr:
1. Not all nations will accept a woman representative.

Madeline Albright and her "basketball diplomacy" worked just fine last time. Also Condi Rice met with some pretty damn traditional Muslims during her day and they listened to her.

Stop saying it. It's not true.

Please read N. Korea's reaction to Secretary Clinton from 2 weeks ago(?).


1. Please say a lot of things and Kim Jong-Il has no problem saying some crazy shiat. They can always change their minds later and deal if they want. That's part of diplomacy.
2. You said "women" not Hillary Clinton. It is *not* true that DPRK refuses to meet with women. Nor do many countries with less liberal views on the status of women.
 
2009-08-04 05:19:25 PM  
I question the wisdom of sending a quasi-government representative overseas to request the release of two prisoners who have admitted to purposefully violating the law of the nation holding them. That could blow up in our face.

Citation (sorry, no clickety pop): http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-lisaling,0,5340848.story
 
2009-08-04 05:19:30 PM  
olddinosaur: I would kick it. . . .

For my contribution to "International Relations", of course. . . . .


whatever. women in Stalinist countries have no idea that a razor is to be used on ALL hair below the waist. you can enjoy your commie bush all to yourself.
 
2009-08-04 05:19:31 PM  
brainiac-dumdum: Damn, how long was Clinton over there?

Like a quickie at the whore house! Damn that man is a pimp!

api.ning.com

/impressed
//hot like grandma
 
2009-08-04 05:19:32 PM  
Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.


Just like Haliburton? Are you crazy? When someone mentions gays or the Clintons you back into full partisan retard mode.
 
2009-08-04 05:19:49 PM  
And oh boy this must have been a fun trip for Clinton's secret service detail. Let's escort our protectee into the den of a maniacal madman ruling a country like his own land of make believe with hobbies like collecting hostages for shiats and giggles.
 
2009-08-04 05:20:21 PM  
Donald_McRonald: SupremeLeader: me_the_farker: Donald_McRonald: I wonder what the wharrgarbl response is going to be. Clinton negotiates with terrorists?

That would be funny if John Bolten hadn't already said that.

John Bolton thinks that diplomacy doesn't work and is doing everything possible to prove his point, including insulting those he "negotiates" with.
Not a master of subtlety, he.

If you were a constipated walrus, would you be subtle about anything?


A constipated walrus afraid of everything.
A recipe for distasteful disaster.
 
2009-08-04 05:20:30 PM  
hahahaha -- Kim Jong-Il just made Hillary look inept and Bam look feckless.

good work, Bill.
 
2009-08-04 05:20:47 PM  
PascalsGhost: Wow, I mean this thread has set you back on the ol' respect meter about 10 years. I mean, this is one of the stupidest analogies I've ever seen.

Ah, how fickle and fleeting is internet fame....

You just don't like what I had to say, that's all. I raised a valid objection, but you didn't want to hear it. So...suddenly i'm 'stupid'.

Hate to break this to you, but if I think something is wrong I'll call it out no matter who's doing it. I think that's the one thing I've learned from the Republicans - that sometimes you have to take a stand if something looks wrong. Even if it gets you yelled at by all the kewl kidz.

I think using Bill in this instance was questionable. It worked, it got those reporters out...but it was done off the books. Any time ANYONE does something like that, I'm going to question it, regardless of how effective the circumstances or the end result(s). And you should question it as well, or you would if you were honest with yourself.
 
2009-08-04 05:21:06 PM  
plainlyclueless: hahahaha -- Kim Jong-Il just made Hillary look inept and Bam look feckless.

good work, Bill.


plainly.
 
2009-08-04 05:21:11 PM  
Can't we just give Weavers Dad his own account already?
 
2009-08-04 05:21:19 PM  
butterchik: netweavr: butterchik: netweavr:
1. Not all nations will accept a woman representative.

Madeline Albright and her "basketball diplomacy" worked just fine last time. Also Condi Rice met with some pretty damn traditional Muslims during her day and they listened to her.

Stop saying it. It's not true.

Please read N. Korea's reaction to Secretary Clinton from 2 weeks ago(?).

1. Please say a lot of things and Kim Jong-Il has no problem saying some crazy shiat. They can always change their minds later and deal if they want. That's part of diplomacy.
2. You said "women" not Hillary Clinton. It is *not* true that DPRK refuses to meet with women. Nor do many countries with less liberal views on the status of women.


1. Fair enough.
2. I'll concede the point.
 
2009-08-04 05:21:25 PM  
i199.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 05:21:45 PM  
An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Wardrobe_Malfunction: This is bad news...for Obama.

/Fox News
/Rush Limbaugh
/Bill O'Reilly
/Sean Hannity
/Glenn Beck
/etc.

Why? The current Administration was powerless to get 2 women freed. An EX president has more power than the Current. Seems to me like good news for the above


Don't you realize the current administration green-lit this trip? It would've been grossly inappropriate for Hilary or Obama (or anyone else in office) to go visit with Kim directly. Sending an ex president works well for the Obama administration's goals, and it also gives the North Koreans exactly what they want-- the attention and respect of a prominent American. Getting these journalists back was all about sending someone who could stroke-off North Korean ego. That's what occurred.
 
2009-08-04 05:21:48 PM  
Fine work, subby! You, too, Bill!
 
2009-08-04 05:22:17 PM  
netweavr: Weaver95: netweavr: Bush used Haliburton to secure the non-violent release of hostages in Iraq?

you have failed at reading comprehension.

I accept your apology.


yer doing it wrong
 
2009-08-04 05:22:22 PM  
I admit to having been more or less ambivalent about Clinton, though I did spend my most feverishly political (early adult) years with him at the helm. But the farther we advance from his administration, the more I love the rat bastard.

All this talk about who I want to have a beer with? Dude, it's Clinton. I'd be his wingman any day! And I wouldn't have to 'jump ion the hand grenade!

/for you slow folks, that means taking the fat one for the team
 
2009-08-04 05:22:38 PM  
Weaver95: PascalsGhost: Wow, I mean this thread has set you back on the ol' respect meter about 10 years. I mean, this is one of the stupidest analogies I've ever seen.

Ah, how fickle and fleeting is internet fame....

You just don't like what I had to say, that's all. I raised a valid objection, but you didn't want to hear it. So...suddenly i'm 'stupid'.

Hate to break this to you, but if I think something is wrong I'll call it out no matter who's doing it. I think that's the one thing I've learned from the Republicans - that sometimes you have to take a stand if something looks wrong. Even if it gets you yelled at by all the kewl kidz.

I think using Bill in this instance was questionable. It worked, it got those reporters out...but it was done off the books. Any time ANYONE does something like that, I'm going to question it, regardless of how effective the circumstances or the end result(s). And you should question it as well, or you would if you were honest with yourself.


You don't think off the books diplomacy has gone on in with every administration since the founding of the country? That seems rather naive.
 
2009-08-04 05:22:50 PM  
Ex Machina Deus: Since this trip was unannounced, it was probably Bill doing some sort of sex tourism thing.

Kim had probably sold the asian chicks to a brothel. Bill requests the 'freshest catch' from the madam. He walks into the room, the girls recognize him, and he comes up with the whole 'humanitarian rescue' thing to cover his ass.

The real shiat is gonna hit the fan when he gets home. He told Hillary he was hiking the Appalachian trail, and gets caught with both hands full of hot yellow poontang.


Yeah, it was announced YESTERDAY. Here on the West Coast we knew about it via NPR on our drive home.

/now you can just hope the rest of your story is true
 
2009-08-04 05:22:56 PM  
Schmee: I question the wisdom of sending a quasi-government representative overseas to request the release of two prisoners who have admitted to purposefully violating the law of the nation holding them. That could blow up in our face.

Citation (sorry, no clickety pop): http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-lisaling,0,5340848.story



I question the politics of somebody who isn't happy to see 2 young Americans freed from NK.
 
2009-08-04 05:22:58 PM  
Weaver95: A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.

You're reaching (new window)

This kind of "end run" has been going on for a long, long time. That link is but a recent and widely known example.
 
2009-08-04 05:23:29 PM  
Flatulent_Flea: Can't we just give Weavers Dad his own account already?

Dad passed away in April.

Aaaaand I think i'm done.
 
2009-08-04 05:23:29 PM  
Another Democrat president who has accomplished more out of office than he did while in office.
 
2009-08-04 05:23:33 PM  
theoriginalslash: If the price of a job in the White House is a hummer

That was because he's a busy man. Don't you watch Chapelle?
 
2009-08-04 05:24:05 PM  
Devin172: And oh boy this must have been a fun trip for Clinton's secret service detail. Let's escort our protectee into the den of a maniacal madman ruling a country like his own land of make believe with hobbies like collecting hostages for shiats and giggles.

I have to believe that not even "Dear Leader" would be dumb enough to harm a former POTUS on a diplomatic mission. Imagine the retaliation... there wouldn't be a North Korea when that gets finished.
 
2009-08-04 05:24:14 PM  
Weaver95: PascalsGhost: Wow, I mean this thread has set you back on the ol' respect meter about 10 years. I mean, this is one of the stupidest analogies I've ever seen.

Ah, how fickle and fleeting is internet fame....

You just don't like what I had to say, that's all. I raised a valid objection, but you didn't want to hear it. So...suddenly i'm 'stupid'.

Hate to break this to you, but if I think something is wrong I'll call it out no matter who's doing it. I think that's the one thing I've learned from the Republicans - that sometimes you have to take a stand if something looks wrong. Even if it gets you yelled at by all the kewl kidz.

I think using Bill in this instance was questionable. It worked, it got those reporters out...but it was done off the books. Any time ANYONE does something like that, I'm going to question it, regardless of how effective the circumstances or the end result(s). And you should question it as well, or you would if you were honest with yourself.


Okay, at this point I think I'm understanding what you're trying to communicate.

You're worried about the slippery slope presented by the willingness of Obama (if this is an unofficial US act) to find loop-holes and go around the rules. The intent of said act being irrelevant to the act itself.

You took an extreme example (Haliburton) to represent the dangers of doing so.

Is that correct?
 
2009-08-04 05:24:14 PM  
Weaver95: 2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position.
Correct.
He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government.
Correct.

How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?

I can't answer as to how he got involved, but he kind of has a lot of contacts in the government. He could probably ask for quite a bit, but that doesn't mean they have to give it to him. The same way that Barack's wife could ask Barack for something.

Why was he permitted to go?

The US has no travel restrictions on visiting North Korea. State dept travel advisories to NK (new window)

You could do the same if you thought you could bend Kim Jong Il' s ear and not end up in the cell next to the two reporters.
 
2009-08-04 05:24:28 PM  
Weaver95: It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters.

You have evidence for that or more Weaver95 patented wharrgarbl?
 
2009-08-04 05:24:54 PM  
Weaver95: PascalsGhost: Wow, I mean this thread has set you back on the ol' respect meter about 10 years. I mean, this is one of the stupidest analogies I've ever seen.

Ah, how fickle and fleeting is internet fame....

You just don't like what I had to say, that's all. I raised a valid objection, but you didn't want to hear it. So...suddenly i'm 'stupid'.

Hate to break this to you, but if I think something is wrong I'll call it out no matter who's doing it. I think that's the one thing I've learned from the Republicans - that sometimes you have to take a stand if something looks wrong. Even if it gets you yelled at by all the kewl kidz.

I think using Bill in this instance was questionable. It worked, it got those reporters out...but it was done off the books.


He's a former president and statesman. Tempest in a teapot, bro.
 
2009-08-04 05:24:57 PM  
wh0mprat: Weaver95: And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bush did nothing diplomatic with Afghanistan or Iraq.


yeah, I think he misplaced the 'quotes' on that post.
 
2009-08-04 05:25:21 PM  
Weaver95: I think using Bill in this instance was questionable. It worked, it got those reporters out...but it was done off the books. Any time ANYONE does something like that, I'm going to question it, regardless of how effective the circumstances or the end result(s). And you should question it as well, or you would if you were honest with yourself.

Well, I'm sorry man, but I'm not satisfied with your argument regarding the equivalence of using former president Bill Clinton on a diplomatic mission and using a company that the then-vice president had fiscal ties with to help "liberate" a country in a war we didn't need in the first place.

I just don't see how the two are related. The circumstances are different, the outcome is different, there's no war profit to be made here (it could, in fact, be argued that war was averted, but I won't make that argument) and the whole thing is probably only going to cost us a tiny PR coup for a tinpot bullshiat country nobody cares about or trusts anyway.

I just don't see the connection.
 
2009-08-04 05:25:45 PM  
Hillary must be proud. I'll bet there's a very warm reception waiting for Bill back at home.

/still, though, glad he was successful in getting them released
//and she wasn't
 
2009-08-04 05:25:54 PM  
Weaver95: PascalsGhost: Wow, I mean this thread has set you back on the ol' respect meter about 10 years. I mean, this is one of the stupidest analogies I've ever seen.

Ah, how fickle and fleeting is internet fame....

You just don't like what I had to say, that's all. I raised a valid objection, but you didn't want to hear it. So...suddenly i'm 'stupid'.

Hate to break this to you, but if I think something is wrong I'll call it out no matter who's doing it. I think that's the one thing I've learned from the Republicans - that sometimes you have to take a stand if something looks wrong. Even if it gets you yelled at by all the kewl kidz.

I think using Bill in this instance was questionable. It worked, it got those reporters out...but it was done off the books. Any time ANYONE does something like that, I'm going to question it, regardless of how effective the circumstances or the end result(s). And you should question it as well, or you would if you were honest with yourself.


There is absolutely nothing morally or legal questionable about what happened here. You have a serious Clinton problem that is so bad you just humiliated your self with a comparison to Haliburton.

Everything that was done here was handled smoothly and worked. If you were an American before a Clinton hater, you'd appreciate that. You're a complete fool. I just forgot how bad.

"Off the books diplomacy". Read a history book you ignorant bastard.

Again, did the Clinton's murder people or have them killed?
 
2009-08-04 05:25:57 PM  
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Minus the bombing and the war profiteering. Which is the big difference.

Um, Clinton bombed people pretty often. He's smarter than Bush, though, which is why he skipped the land wars.
 
2009-08-04 05:25:57 PM  
Weaver95: 2. Why was *BILL* doing this? He's not a member of the US government. He holds no official position. He is not empowered to negotiate on behalf of the US government.


That's exactly why he was sent. Whatever he says or does is non-binding. It does not and cannot be construed as establishing formal diplomatic ties. He speaks for himself and not for the President and/or government; ergo the DPRK can't refuse to accept his response without corroboration from higher authority and it can't try to parlay it into a personal meeting with Obama.


How did he get involved in this and why was he permitted to go and negotiate for the release of these hostages?


Because he's a former President who, incidentally, is married to the Secretary of State. So he has the level of public prestige and reputation established, by himself and other former presidents, for going abroad on behalf of causes, thus giving him a high level of access to leadership. He is also easy to reach since the WH can approach him via his wife.
 
2009-08-04 05:27:03 PM  
PascalsGhost

1. You don't know a damned thing about my politics.
2. I'm quite happy for them and their families.
 
2009-08-04 05:27:20 PM  
To all the idiots in this thread complaining about how this was done, tell me how exactly this should have been done without getting spun into something bad by the conservatives. Please, do it, or else STFU.
 
2009-08-04 05:27:30 PM  
Schmee: PascalsGhost

1. You don't know a damned thing about my politics.
2. I'm quite happy for them and their families.


Just saying.
 
2009-08-04 05:27:31 PM  
Bill Clinton picks up two Asian chicks

Onry because he was so vely ronery. I understand Marc Rich paid the ransom.
 
2009-08-04 05:27:40 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: Huh. Here I thought the OTHER Clinton was SecState.

Never send a woman to do a man's job.
 
2009-08-04 05:27:46 PM  
Flatulent_Flea: Can't we just give Weavers Dad his own account already?

shut up ass-wipe
 
2009-08-04 05:28:12 PM  
Tea_tempest_Cup: I have to believe that not even "Dear Leader" would be dumb enough to harm a former POTUS on a diplomatic mission. Imagine the retaliation... there wouldn't be a North Korea when that gets finished.


Too true. But there was a nice piece in the Post recently covering their training, how they always expect & prepare for the worst, the unlikely. So yeah, while you wouldn't expect it, I'd still bet they were as tense as a cat in a cage full of dogs.
 
2009-08-04 05:28:24 PM  
olddinosaur: I wonder how they "earned" all those medals at such an early age?

by killing little wussies like you.
 
2009-08-04 05:28:28 PM  
OscarTamerz: Bill Clinton picks up two Asian chicks

Onry because he was so vely ronery. I understand Marc Rich paid the ransom.


Once you go Oriental, math becomes fundamental?
Inscrutable, indeed.
 
2009-08-04 05:28:36 PM  
Mr. zobear thinks it's awesome that Bill Clinton is using his superpowers for good - flying around the world, visiting dictators, and helping Americans in need. He hopes Bill goes to Iran, next.
 
2009-08-04 05:28:37 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: lincoln65: WAY TO GO, CLINTON- that's all we needed! Let's give North Korea the legitimacy of governmental contact with the US.
And which branch of the government does Bill work for?


Well, he does carry slick black U.S. diplomatic passport number 2.
 
2009-08-04 05:28:40 PM  
YixilTesiphon: Um, Clinton bombed people pretty often.

Well that's completely farking irrelevant. Thanks for nothing.
 
2009-08-04 05:28:49 PM  
birchman: To all the idiots in this thread complaining about how this was done, tell me how exactly this should have been done without getting spun into something bad by the conservatives. Please, do it, or else STFU.

I can't vouch for other conservatives, but approaching the six nation squad that is dealing with North Korea right now, using the Secretary of State would have been my ideal option.
 
2009-08-04 05:29:00 PM  
Devin172: Tea_tempest_Cup: I have to believe that not even "Dear Leader" would be dumb enough to harm a former POTUS on a diplomatic mission. Imagine the retaliation... there wouldn't be a North Korea when that gets finished.


Too true. But there was a nice piece in the Post recently covering their training, how they always expect & prepare for the worst, the unlikely. So yeah, while you wouldn't expect it, I'd still bet they were as tense as a cat in a cage full of dogs.


Or as busy as a one-legged man at an ass-kicking contest.
 
2009-08-04 05:29:02 PM  
Weaver95: that whole 'end justifies the means' thing is what got the Bush administration into trouble. Now I see the Obama folks following suit.

Except they never much had an idea what the 'end' was supposed to be...

They were too caught up in the 'means'
 
2009-08-04 05:29:32 PM  
Hank Rearden: Don't be surprised if NK has a fancy new high speed internet infrastructure in the future... or maybe a new oil pipeline.

This was a business deal, and the two cute girls were a front.



Life has dealt you a lot of head trauma, hasn't it.
 
2009-08-04 05:29:41 PM  
JohnBigBootay: . I know you'd like to get all ross perot in a helicopter

I don't know why, but the phrase "Ross Perot in a helicopter" makes me laugh.
 
2009-08-04 05:29:48 PM  
Weaver95: PascalsGhost: You're suck a goddamned idiot Weav. Tell them how Clinton killed Vince Foster you farking retard.

that whole 'end justifies the means' thing is what got the Bush administration into trouble. Now I see the Obama folks following suit.

Sorry dude, but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And this strikes me as the sort of 'off the books' diplomacy that Bush did with Iraq and Afghanistan.


Using a recognized ex-president as a diplomatic tool to secure the release of two prisoners = going against the international community to enter into an illegal war with Iraq?

God, you've gone full retard.

/note that I left out Afghanistan, a justified war.
//I'm kind of baffled why you included it
 
2009-08-04 05:29:55 PM  
TheRedMonkey: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Huh. Here I thought the OTHER Clinton was SecState.

Never send a woman to do a man's job.


They are just like the Wonder twins.
They don't have sex with each other.
 
2009-08-04 05:29:59 PM  
YixilTesiphon: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Minus the bombing and the war profiteering. Which is the big difference.

Um, Clinton bombed people pretty often. He's smarter than Bush, though, which is why he skipped the land wars.


While he was in North Korea, genius.
 
2009-08-04 05:30:10 PM  
Weaver95: well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.


You've veered dangerously into tinfoilhattery with this one, Weav.
 
2009-08-04 05:30:34 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: birchman: To all the idiots in this thread complaining about how this was done, tell me how exactly this should have been done without getting spun into something bad by the conservatives. Please, do it, or else STFU.

I can't vouch for other conservatives, but approaching the six nation squad that is dealing with North Korea right now, using the Secretary of State would have been my ideal option.


While the hostages rotted?

Again, 100% successful and handled smoothly. I predict the next thing will be on Fox and drudge will be questioning why we should free criminals that broke NK law. It's all they have.
 
2009-08-04 05:30:34 PM  
PascalsGhost: Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.

The Democrats did it for 8 years but now its not ok?
 
2009-08-04 05:30:42 PM  
Whatever you guys are talking about WHO CARES This could have been a great asian chick thread, but oh no, we have to get all politicky and what not.
 
2009-08-04 05:30:46 PM  
Weaver95: Dad passed away in April.

Sorry, dude -- didn't know.
 
2009-08-04 05:31:00 PM  
Weaver95: Flatulent_Flea: Can't we just give Weavers Dad his own account already?

Dad passed away in April.

Aaaaand I think i'm done.


Well I think we know what he left you in his will, then.
 
2009-08-04 05:31:01 PM  
rastjr: Were they heavy?

Naw man. They don't have any food in North Korea.

*ducks*
 
2009-08-04 05:31:19 PM  
TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.

The Democrats did it for 8 years but now its not ok?


They did? They mutherfarked Bush when he got hostages freed? Source?
 
2009-08-04 05:31:26 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: I don't know why, but the phrase "Ross Perot in a helicopter" makes me laugh.

I have this image of him complaining of black helicopters, while he's in a black helicopter, in my mind...
 
2009-08-04 05:31:47 PM  
MacEnvy: You've veered dangerously into tinfoilhattery with this one, Weav.

This might end up being known as the thread where Weaver95 finally went back to the Dark Side and of the deep end.
 
2009-08-04 05:32:02 PM  
img193.imageshack.us
Bill is FAST! Then again, Bill does have a way with women.
 
2009-08-04 05:32:13 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: birchman: To all the idiots in this thread complaining about how this was done, tell me how exactly this should have been done without getting spun into something bad by the conservatives. Please, do it, or else STFU.

I can't vouch for other conservatives, but approaching the six nation squad that is dealing with North Korea right now, using the Secretary of State would have been my ideal option.


The North Koreans wouldn't have gone for that. Or if they did, it would have taken years.

Wait. wait, wait, wait. Did a conservative just claim he would arrange some kind of multilateral, group discussion to come to an accord?

That sounds suspiciously like socialism, comrade.
 
2009-08-04 05:32:41 PM  
TheRedMonkey: Never send a woman to do a man's pimp's job.

FTFY :D
 
2009-08-04 05:32:48 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: MacEnvy: You've veered dangerously into tinfoilhattery with this one, Weav.

This might end up being known as the thread where Weaver95 finally went back to the Dark Side and of the deep end.


That would be off the deep end.
 
2009-08-04 05:32:58 PM  
Weaver95: Flatulent_Flea: Can't we just give Weavers Dad his own account already?

Dad passed away in April.

Aaaaand I think i'm done.


Southwest Airlines has a new commercial.
 
2009-08-04 05:33:11 PM  
People are disgraceful. I'm outta here.

Good job Clinton. Glad those chicks are home.
 
2009-08-04 05:33:40 PM  
Hobodeluxe: olddinosaur: I wonder how they "earned" all those medals at such an early age?

by killing little wussies like you.


Maddogjew? Is that you? Big Brother is STILL watching you!
 
2009-08-04 05:33:42 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: Flatulent_Flea: Can't we just give Weavers Dad his own account already?

Dad passed away in April.

Aaaaand I think i'm done.

Well I think we know what he left you in his will, then.


Dude quit being a douche
 
2009-08-04 05:33:44 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: This might end up being known as the thread where Weaver95 finally went back to the Dark Side and of the deep end.

I'm starting to think that maybe he just really likes being contrary.
 
2009-08-04 05:33:58 PM  
Good job, Bill!

Nice to know he's still doing stuff and being a badass. And doesn't even need the disasterous and regrettable reign of King George the Retarded to get that distinction.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:03 PM  
Flatulent_Flea: Weaver95: Dad passed away in April.

Sorry, dude -- didn't know.


Internet condolences.
Funny, funny stuff.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:03 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: cameroncrazy1984: MacEnvy: You've veered dangerously into tinfoilhattery with this one, Weav.

This might end up being known as the thread where Weaver95 finally went back to the Dark Side and of the deep end.

That would be off the deep end.


Notice he wouldn't answer me about whether the Clintons had people killed or not. Know why? He thinks they did. Weaver is an idiot.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:04 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: birchman: To all the idiots in this thread complaining about how this was done, tell me how exactly this should have been done without getting spun into something bad by the conservatives. Please, do it, or else STFU.

I can't vouch for other conservatives, but approaching the six nation squad that is dealing with North Korea right now, using the Secretary of State would have been my ideal option.


The irony there is killing me. Plus, I'm sure you'd have a much different opinion if you were one of the journalists.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:07 PM  
I'm glad Bill got a pleasurable release and this story had a happy ending.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:09 PM  
PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.

The Democrats did it for 8 years but now its not ok?

They did? They mutherfarked Bush when he got hostages freed? Source?


All the quote talks about is party before country not about just hostages but the Dems want everything the Republicans do to fail just as the Republicans want the Dems to fail. Are you so blinded by your religious fervor for you party that you can't see that?
 
2009-08-04 05:34:28 PM  
Weaver95: I think using Bill in this instance was questionable. It worked, it got those reporters out...but it was done off the books. Any time ANYONE does something like that, I'm going to question it, regardless of how effective the circumstances or the end result(s). And you should question it as well, or you would if you were honest with yourself.


Former Presidents have been acting as unofficial envoys of the U.S. Government for years. They've also acted to further their own national and international goals using contacts and prestige cultivated through their former office and career.

I don't really understand your objection here. This isn't an unusual practice. This is an acceptable practice and a common tactic in diplomacy. Back channels are quite common, they get shiat done, and in situations like this, with two parties constrained by fairly inflexible policy commitments, they provide flexibility for concessions and negotiation. Blood doesn't get shed for needless stupidity.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:28 PM  
Crap, I feel terrible now.
 
2009-08-04 05:34:28 PM  
So one was fat, one was ugly?
 
2009-08-04 05:35:00 PM  
I bet Jesse Jackson Sr. is royally pissed that he was benched for Clinton during this episode of "Springing American Hostages From The Hands Of Despots."
 
2009-08-04 05:35:07 PM  
dionada: Sliding Carp: I spent the last year building up an immunity to iocaine powder.

I giggled like a schoolgirl.


me too.
 
2009-08-04 05:35:13 PM  
Freedom, freedom, freedom, oy!
 
2009-08-04 05:35:42 PM  
CruiserTwelve: I'm glad Bill got a pleasurable release and this story had a happy ending.

I suspect that you're talking about something else, but I can't quite put my finger in on it...
 
2009-08-04 05:35:44 PM  
IXI Jim IXI: TheRedMonkey: Never send a woman to do a man's pimp's job.

FTFY :D


blog.lib.umn.edu
 
2009-08-04 05:36:16 PM  
I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Do you honestly believe ol' George W. Crackhead, Mr. "Axis of Evil" himself could have done that?

Hell, that drunkard probably can't even find N.K. on a map, let alone try any diplomatic skills.


Yes, I do. It was all about American's crawling on the knees asking for clemency. B/c Bush was the one that villainized NK so much, Bush would have been the ultimate sign of appeasement in NK.
 
2009-08-04 05:36:32 PM  
Weaver95:
I think using Bill in this instance was questionable. It worked, it got those reporters out...but it was done off the books. Any time ANYONE does something like that, I'm going to question it, regardless of how effective the circumstances or the end result(s).


I agree with that. I think this was a pretty good case of using an ex head of state in an only quasi-political way in a manner that might move things forward. But yes, absolutely it's right to question at all times. Me, I'm pretty much always for a non-military solution to disputes between elites of different territories.
 
2009-08-04 05:36:58 PM  
devilskware: Whatever you guys are talking about WHO CARES This could have been a great asian chick thread, but oh no, we have to get all politicky and what not.

Ok, here you go . . .
img198.imageshack.us img200.imageshack.us
 
2009-08-04 05:37:04 PM  
Bill Clinton. He's Jimmy Carter swinging!

/By swinging I mean fly open, hosing down the enemy.
 
2009-08-04 05:37:10 PM  
What is this strange feeling? I think it's...wait...ohhh weird. It's pride in the actions of a US President? Yes, that must be it. How very, very strange a way to feel.

Good work, Mr. President.
 
2009-08-04 05:37:22 PM  
CynicalLA: Weaver95: netweavr: Bill Clinton/Al Gore/Carter/Powell/etc can act unofficially. Thereby eliminating the whole issue.

Plausible deniablity, just like Haliburton.

Just like Haliburton? Are you crazy? When someone mentions gays or the Clintons you back into full partisan retard mode.


Or MADD.
 
2009-08-04 05:37:27 PM  
CONGRATS To Euna and Laura. I am happy for you and your families but don't make the same dumbass mistake again.

/Go Bill Clinton! You are still the Shiz!
 
2009-08-04 05:37:39 PM  
Flatulent_Flea: Crap, I feel terrible now.

Now's the part where we all point in a horrified manner at you and make noiseless shapes with our mouths.
 
2009-08-04 05:37:40 PM  
I don't care for Clinton but I have no problem saying "good job."

I'm real curious to hear Ling and Lee's side of the story once they get back.

+1 subby!
 
2009-08-04 05:37:47 PM  
TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.

The Democrats did it for 8 years but now its not ok?

They did? They mutherfarked Bush when he got hostages freed? Source?

All the quote talks about is party before country not about just hostages but the Dems want everything the Republicans do to fail just as the Republicans want the Dems to fail. Are you so blinded by your religious fervor for you party that you can't see that?


My party? I don't vote mainstream parties.

Listen, you are the one that made a claim. Cite me somewhere in a comparable situation where Bush was attacked. Go ahead.
 
2009-08-04 05:37:53 PM  
Juniper Jupiter: I guess Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were unavailable?

Oh, wait, these girls weren't black.

Yeah...I went there.
//Go, Bill, Go!


I was going to go there, but you got there faster
 
2009-08-04 05:37:55 PM  
wee beastie: I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Do you honestly believe ol' George W. Crackhead, Mr. "Axis of Evil" himself could have done that?

Hell, that drunkard probably can't even find N.K. on a map, let alone try any diplomatic skills.

Yes, I do. It was all about American's crawling on the knees asking for clemency. B/c Bush was the one that villainized NK so much, Bush would have been the ultimate sign of appeasement in NK.


Never send a full retard.
 
2009-08-04 05:38:17 PM  
yamachari: I don't care for Clinton but I have no problem saying "good job."

I'm real curious to hear Ling and Lee's side of the story once they get back.

+1 subby!


Don't worry, I'm sure they already have a book/movie deal lined up.
 
2009-08-04 05:38:21 PM  
Flatulent_Flea: Crap, I feel terrible now.

Reminds me of the time I used a famous-of-the-hour missing girl in a photoshop contest, went away for a couple of days, then got back to a bunch of nasty emails because they had found her dead while I was away.
 
2009-08-04 05:38:52 PM  
wang dang sweet Pyongyang
 
2009-08-04 05:39:55 PM  
Gavino: non-military solution to disputes between elites of different territories.

Especially when the kooks you are dealing with have nukes and we are engaged in two other wars.
 
2009-08-04 05:40:16 PM  
TheRedMonkey: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Huh. Here I thought the OTHER Clinton was SecState.

Never send a woman to do a man's job.


Then I guess you don't need to pack a suitcase.
 
2009-08-04 05:40:28 PM  
TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.

The Democrats did it for 8 years but now its not ok?

They did? They mutherfarked Bush when he got hostages freed? Source?

All the quote talks about is party before country not about just hostages but the Dems want everything the Republicans do to fail just as the Republicans want the Dems to fail. Are you so blinded by your religious fervor for you party that you can't see that?


Yeah, they are exactly the same. The Republicans didn't become obstructionist assholes when the economic crisis hit. And the Democrats didn't stand behind Bush right after 9/11. That 90% approval rating must have been fake. You exactly the same people ignorant as well.
 
2009-08-04 05:41:01 PM  
PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.

The Democrats did it for 8 years but now its not ok?

They did? They mutherfarked Bush when he got hostages freed? Source?

All the quote talks about is party before country not about just hostages but the Dems want everything the Republicans do to fail just as the Republicans want the Dems to fail. Are you so blinded by your religious fervor for you party that you can't see that?

My party? I don't vote mainstream parties.

Listen, you are the one that made a claim. Cite me somewhere in a comparable situation where Bush was attacked. Go ahead.


Every time Bush did anything he was attacked. Do you really need an example or did you sleep the last 8 years?
 
2009-08-04 05:41:02 PM  
i137.photobucket.com
 
2009-08-04 05:41:31 PM  
I am mostly conservative, but you know what? I always liked Clinton.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:19 PM  
netweavr: yamachari: I'm real curious to hear Ling and Lee's side of the story once they get back.


Don't worry, I'm sure they already have a book/movie deal lined up.


Oh great, I can't wait to see "Five Months Of Sitting In Detainment Until President Clinton Shows Up", and its sequel "An Eighteen Hour Flight Back to the US"
 
2009-08-04 05:43:23 PM  
Weaver95: It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.


First, your point is speculation. You think something unethical may have happened but you really have no factual information to base that opinion on. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to tell me what authority he has to offer anything especially given the trade sanctions that are in force. He is neither a chairman in Congress nor the Secretary of State. The only thing he can offer the DPRK is what they just received: attention.

Second, your contention that this is a dirty tactic is ridiculous. Like claiming that all guns are evil. This is a tool of diplomacy. It isn't wrong by itself, it depends on how it is used. This seems like it was entirely appropriate and, well, savy use of diplomacy. Everyone goes home happy with their goals satisfied and no one is bound to modify their long standing policies.


A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules.


See that's the thing, this was done in keeping with the rules. This is how this shiat should be done. He didn't publicly contradict or criticize the President's policy. He didn't attempt to negotiate with another power and undermine an official mission of the United States government. He doesn't have the ability to promise, offer, or enforce any concessions or benefits.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:24 PM  
MacEnvy: Weaver95: well, when the Obama folks needed to get something important done, but didn't want to risk losing face, they had someone else take all the risk for them. Bush/Cheney used Haliburton for that sort of thing in Iraq. Obama used Bill Clinton for a bit of back door diplomacy in North Korea.

It's probably not illegal, its just off the record and under the radar...which means something unethical got traded for those reporters. It's just that I thought Obama wasn't going to go that route so soon is all. Bush/Cheney's motto was 'exitus acta probat', I just didn't expect Obama to start adopting those same tactics this quickly.

A bit of advice to the Democrats - be very careful with supporting this kind of end run around the rules. In this case it worked...two innocent people got out of a nasty situation. But it sets a dangerous precedent for Obama to follow.

You've veered dangerously into tinfoilhattery with this one, Weav.


Seriously, Weaver, simma down. If it weren't for back channels/track II diplomacy, probably nothing would ever get done, because everything governments do publicly is highly scrutinized, and thus public opinion can play too large a role and derail official negotiations on the most sensitive issues.

Example 1: Oslo Accords

This is not a failure for anybody, this is sort of a coup for both North Korea (who get a face-to-face meeting with a former U.S. President) and America (who get their journalists back without too much trouble, and seem to be on the ball after a couple months of NK uncertainty.)
 
2009-08-04 05:43:35 PM  
Killer Cars: I know! Such an egregious transgression on my part to state my opinion on an internet message board!

Stupid opinion is stupid.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:41 PM  
Flatulent_Flea: Crap, I feel terrible now.

Man, this is hilarious!

Some anonymous Internet schmuck tells you his dad is dead and you feel bad?

"My dad is dead, you insensitive brute!" is the battle cry of those who fish for undeserved sympathy.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:52 PM  
stvdallas: Good of Bill to do this....however a few questions here...

Why was he doing this, and not someone official from our government such as Hillary? To me, this is more of a failure of Hillary than a success of Bill. Is Hillary so incompetent that she still needs to rely on Bill to do the real work?

Hillary is our Secretary of State, for gods sake...


Are you serious?

Then everyone would be upset that the NK took hostages and we caved in by giving them an official state visit. Hell, I'd be kinda pissed and I'm an ardent Obama supporter.

Remember that Bill Clinton went a long way toward getting rid of NK's nuclear program. Which Dubya promptly farked up.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:55 PM  
TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: Anything else is literally putting party over country. Already doing it at fox. Same thing happened with the Pirates. The right likes being Republicans first, Americans second, and it is disgraceful. Seriously, just kill yourself.

The Democrats did it for 8 years but now its not ok?

They did? They mutherfarked Bush when he got hostages freed? Source?

All the quote talks about is party before country not about just hostages but the Dems want everything the Republicans do to fail just as the Republicans want the Dems to fail. Are you so blinded by your religious fervor for you party that you can't see that?

My party? I don't vote mainstream parties.

Listen, you are the one that made a claim. Cite me somewhere in a comparable situation where Bush was attacked. Go ahead.

Every time Bush did anything he was attacked. Do you really need an example or did you sleep the last 8 years?


I want an example of an overwhelming positive success for all Americans under Bush that was attacked on political lines you farking moron. Do you understand? Do you remember Bush's approval ratings before he went partisan? When everybody got behind him cause it was the right thing for the country?

Wanna just save some face and admit you're full of shiat?
 
2009-08-04 05:43:57 PM  
CynicalLA: You exactly the same people ignorant as well.

Engrish?

CynicalLA: Yeah, they are exactly the same. The Republicans didn't become obstructionist assholes when the economic crisis hit. And the Democrats didn't stand behind Bush right after 9/11. That 90% approval rating must have been fake. You exactly the same people ignorant as well.

More than 9/11 happened.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:57 PM  
I like Clinton. I always have and not just because of the whole blow job thing or the fact that he was president during my formative years. I just plain like the guy. But, he should've thrown up his hands and admitted the affairs early so they couldn't be used as ammo.

Good on you, Bill!!

Call me.
 
2009-08-04 05:43:58 PM  
A photo of the former president and the two journalists before boarding Shagforce1
www.onzuka.com
 
2009-08-04 05:44:35 PM  
Yay- Bill delivers.
I still wonder why Al Gore didn't do this. I guess NK wanted the "Big Dog"
 
2009-08-04 05:44:40 PM  
cameroncrazy1984:
What part of "no normalized diplomatic relations therefore no official negotiation" do you guys not understand? Jeez, it's not that tough a concept.


That doesn't make sense... So the on-again / off-again multilateral talks that we have been conducting over the last few years somehow manage to get around an "official normalizing of relations," but a one-off meeting between a govt official and NK's gov't would... i see now.
 
2009-08-04 05:44:40 PM  
In a row?

bestuff.com
 
2009-08-04 05:44:49 PM  
STOP TALKING AND POST BOOBIES OR I PERSONALLY PUT THOSE TWO BACK IN PRISON!
 
2009-08-04 05:45:52 PM  
SupremeLeader: Flatulent_Flea: Crap, I feel terrible now.

Man, this is hilarious!

Some anonymous Internet schmuck tells you his dad is dead and you feel bad?

"My dad is dead, you insensitive brute!" is the battle cry of those who fish for undeserved sympathy.


Fark is full of emotional children. The day farking worthless whore-to-power- tim Russert died, everbody acted like their favorite uncle bit it. I bring it up and I was attacked like I went to a funeral and pissed on the casket.


Lots of that here.
 
2009-08-04 05:46:13 PM  
SupremeLeader: Some anonymous Internet schmuck tells you his dad is dead and you feel bad?

I'm pretty sure that happened.
 
2009-08-04 05:46:17 PM  
Aarontology: I suspect Bill went so in the event that the prisoners weren't released, it wouldn't reflect as poorly on the Obama administration. If Hillary had been sent and been denied, it would have ruined any credibility she had with the rest of the world.

Bill getting rejected would be easily explained away as "North Korea not negotiating with non governmental officials" or something. But, as we all know, Bill never gets rejected.

Or it could have been Obama saying "Get this done for me, and you're our next ambassador to the UN" or something.


The first understandable explanation I've read. Thanks
 
2009-08-04 05:46:35 PM  
museisluse: Yay- Bill delivers.
I still wonder why Al Gore didn't do this. I guess NK wanted the "Big Dog"


Me thinks he called in a marker. Good jorb for him.
 
2009-08-04 05:46:50 PM  
Thunderpipes: I am mostly conservative, but you know what? I always liked Clinton.

The dude gets a bad rap. I hated some of his legislation but he's one of the best speakers in the history of the office and he's whip-smart. I personally think that's part of why Bush looked like such a buffoon - the dude he was following was one of the smoothest operators of all time. I'm not one of those that thinks Bush had a 70 IQ but I'm pretty sure which one of them would finish the Sunday crossword first. Wait - that's not completely accurate - there's no way in hell Bush could finish the Sunday crossword.
 
2009-08-04 05:47:11 PM  
The partisan fail in this thread is very strong. Party over country, indeed.
 
2009-08-04 05:47:19 PM  
images.huffingtonpost.com

Obama: Helen the butthurt in this thread is better than these cupcakes
Helen: That Weaver95 guy is full of whargarball
.
 
2009-08-04 05:47:29 PM  
TheRedMonkey: CynicalLA: You exactly the same people ignorant as well.

Engrish?

CynicalLA: Yeah, they are exactly the same. The Republicans didn't become obstructionist assholes when the economic crisis hit. And the Democrats didn't stand behind Bush right after 9/11. That 90% approval rating must have been fake. You exactly the same people ignorant as well.

More than 9/11 happened.


Criticize my grammar because you made a idiotic claim. You should just man up and admit you are ignorant.
 
2009-08-04 05:49:13 PM  
PascalsGhost: SupremeLeader: Flatulent_Flea: Crap, I feel terrible now.

Man, this is hilarious!

Some anonymous Internet schmuck tells you his dad is dead and you feel bad?

"My dad is dead, you insensitive brute!" is the battle cry of those who fish for undeserved sympathy.

Fark is full of emotional children. The day farking worthless whore-to-power- tim Russert died, everbody acted like their favorite uncle bit it. I bring it up and I was attacked like I went to a funeral and pissed on the casket.


Lots of that here.


Yeah, once someone pulls the "de mortuis nil nisi bonum" card, everyone cowers in superstitious fear.
 
2009-08-04 05:50:05 PM  
powerman2424: Since these two ladies apparently admitted they were in the wrong, shouldn't they be brought up on charges in the USA for contributing to an international incident?

Their damn decisions got them in that position in the first place!

They get caught, and we have to come a-running? Where is the accountability for these two idiots?


Wheres the accountability for this idiot?
 
2009-08-04 05:50:34 PM  
I think we should have sent Reagan over there to negotiate. It would have been the best way to out-crazy North Korea.
 
2009-08-04 05:50:39 PM  
SupremeLeader: PascalsGhost: SupremeLeader: Flatulent_Flea: Crap, I feel terrible now.

Man, this is hilarious!

Some anonymous Internet schmuck tells you his dad is dead and you feel bad?

"My dad is dead, you insensitive brute!" is the battle cry of those who fish for undeserved sympathy.

Fark is full of emotional children. The day farking worthless whore-to-power- tim Russert died, everbody acted like their favorite uncle bit it. I bring it up and I was attacked like I went to a funeral and pissed on the casket.


Lots of that here.

Yeah, once someone pulls the "de mortuis nil nisi bonum" card, everyone cowers in superstitious fear.


I don't want to hear about your boner.
 
2009-08-04 05:51:17 PM  
Gosling: tchamber: .......aaaaaaand of course, over on Faux News, Josh Bolton is calling this "negotiating with terrists".

Stay classy, neocons.

Oh, the hell with Bolton. Nobody in the diplomatic universe ever took him seriously to begin with.



You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
2009-08-04 05:51:19 PM  
But they have to fly home on the plane with Wild Bill, so there is a downside, at least for the girls.
 
2009-08-04 05:51:22 PM  
In an alternate universe they sent Hilary, got the same result and conservatives are whining about how we should never have deigned to send a high ranking government official to meet with that nutbar when a private citizen would have sent a more appropriate message.
 
2009-08-04 05:51:34 PM  
SupremeLeader: TheRedMonkey: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Huh. Here I thought the OTHER Clinton was SecState.
Never send a woman to do a man's job.
They are just like the Wonder twins.
They don't have sex with each other.


Clearly, you were not old enough to appreciate the subtle allusions to their incest - their sweet, purple space alien incest.
 
2009-08-04 05:51:49 PM  
PascalsGhost: SupremeLeader: Flatulent_Flea: Crap, I feel terrible now.

Man, this is hilarious!

Some anonymous Internet schmuck tells you his dad is dead and you feel bad?

"My dad is dead, you insensitive brute!" is the battle cry of those who fish for undeserved sympathy.

Fark is full of emotional children. The day farking worthless whore-to-power- tim Russert died, everbody acted like their favorite uncle bit it. I bring it up and I was attacked like I went to a funeral and pissed on the casket.


Lots of that here.


TF is a little different than Fark. You know people a lot better, and there's some sense of personal accountability.

You aren't expected to understand. Hell, I don't get it. I'm just pay $5 to vote on links without it meaning anything.
 
2009-08-04 05:52:09 PM  
Surprise... "Earlier, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs denied Clinton was delivering a message from Obama."

Let's see how quickly this changes now that there were good results from his visit...

excuses about a miss-informed spokesman in 3,2,1.....
 
2009-08-04 05:52:20 PM  
BeSerious: powerman2424: Since these two ladies apparently admitted they were in the wrong, shouldn't they be brought up on charges in the USA for contributing to an international incident?

Their damn decisions got them in that position in the first place!

They get caught, and we have to come a-running? Where is the accountability for these two idiots?

Wheres the accountability for this idiot?


He's busy working on a posthumous indictment of Thomas Paine.
 
2009-08-04 05:52:26 PM  
Killer Cars: Not taking a dump on Clinton, but I think any former President could've gotten them out. NK got their name in the paper, which is all they wanted.

Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.


Like Al Gore?
 
2009-08-04 05:52:46 PM  
I don't have time to read all 500+ comments, so if this has been said, sorry....

That is why you never send a woman to do man's work.

/easy now...it was just a jab at Hillary
 
2009-08-04 05:52:47 PM  
"You got out, now put out" - heard as the plane was taking off
 
2009-08-04 05:53:03 PM  
Think what you will of Bill, but if you have ever seen him in person, you have to concede that the SOB has charisma and charm in spades (even if he does have a particular attraction to fat chicks.)
 
2009-08-04 05:53:26 PM  
Gangway Fathead: In an alternate universe they sent Hilary, got the same result and conservatives are whining about how we should never have deigned to send a high ranking government official to meet with that nutbar when a private citizen would have sent a more appropriate message.

Or we just left them there to rot in prison, because getting them released early makes us "soft on crime". Buncha librul criminal coddlers.
 
2009-08-04 05:53:46 PM  
My personal hierarchy:

#1 hot white girls
#2 hot brown girls (india, philipines, arab, latin america, etc)
#3 hot yellow girls (including inuit)
#4 hot black girls (including aboriginals)

/I know I shouldn't be posting this
 
2009-08-04 05:54:08 PM  
JohnBigBootay: Thunderpipes: I am mostly conservative, but you know what? I always liked Clinton.

The dude gets a bad rap. I hated some of his legislation but he's one of the best speakers in the history of the office and he's whip-smart. I personally think that's part of why Bush looked like such a buffoon - the dude he was following was one of the smoothest operators of all time. I'm not one of those that thinks Bush had a 70 IQ but I'm pretty sure which one of them would finish the Sunday crossword first. Wait - that's not completely accurate - there's no way in hell Bush could finish the Sunday crossword.


70 IQ for Bush...no. I think he was a solid 95.
 
2009-08-04 05:54:38 PM  
PascalsGhost: I want an example of an overwhelming positive success for all Americans under Bush that was attacked on political lines you farking moron. Do you understand? Do you remember Bush's approval ratings before he went partisan? When everybody got behind him cause it was the right thing for the country?

The Bush tax cuts helped out most tax paying Americans but are attacked as being for the rich only.

My point is you are claiming that he was never attacked is not true but no matter what I point to you will claim that it was not good for the country due to your political view points. There are million in Iraq who will disagree about how bad things are there and their GDP is 30% higher now and lots of women who once lived under Taliban rule will disagree in Afghanistan as will Bob Geldof praising Mr Bush's efforts over Aids and malaria in Africa; or to Manmohan Singh, the prime minister of India, who told him last week: "The people of India deeply love you."

Did he do a lot of crap, sure did. Congress does it constantly. I am not saying that what Clinton did is not great and should not be celebrated but rather the criticisms seen here are the same things we saw before. That no matter what happens good or bad someone will turn it into a political talking point about how bad the administration or person is. Obama policies could turn the economy around and someone will say it was Bush policies taking effect that fixed it all.
 
2009-08-04 05:55:16 PM  
Is there nothing this man can't do?
 
2009-08-04 05:56:03 PM  
Killer Cars: Perhaps any high-profile American. Samuel L Jackson, anybody.

Well of course SLJ would have gotten them out lest he start saying "Do you read the Bible Kim Jong?"
 
2009-08-04 05:56:14 PM  
JohnBigBootay: He's busy working on a posthumous indictment of Thomas Paine.

filthy, little atheist
 
2009-08-04 05:56:17 PM  
I get the feeling this was a way for Kim to send a message to the US about the future of his country. Obviously he's not doing well health wise. He probably wanted 5 minutes to talk to Bill about how he wants the US to deal with his son after he dies.

Clearly Bill will tell Obama every word they said. I'm sure there was lots of diplomatic subtleties in what went on.
 
2009-08-04 05:56:36 PM  
ratdog99: Think what you will of Bill, but if you have ever seen him in person, you have to concede that the SOB has charisma and charm in spades (even if he does have a particular attraction to fat chicks.)

Agreed, I liked him and don't care about the sexual transgression.
Heard him talk in Indy. Awesome orator.
 
2009-08-04 05:56:59 PM  
MacEnvy: TF is a little different than Fark. You know people a lot better, and there's some sense of personal accountability.

You aren't expected to understand.


Plus, you get to enjoy the same link sent in dozens of times and scores of zero-comment threads! I got sponsored a couple of times and I just don't get it. If totalfark was regular fark, I'd pay the $5 a month to get the one I have now. I've long thought Drew has it backwards.
 
2009-08-04 05:57:16 PM  
smeegle: museisluse: Yay- Bill delivers.
I still wonder why Al Gore didn't do this. I guess NK wanted the "Big Dog"

Me thinks he called in a marker. Good jorb for him.


Nobody wants Al Gore if they can hang out with Bill Clinton.

That man is so charismatic he can make ladies melt at 50 yards just by briefly glancing at them and acknowledging their presence. Find me a hetero woman between 15 and 90 who wouldn't.

He is so unbelievably magnetic that people forget the major mistakes he made in office. Except the gays. The gays remember... everyone else is all, "Wow! This guy is amazing!" Of course, 8 years of Bush makes even Nixon look AMAZING in comparison.

The power of Clinton.
 
2009-08-04 05:58:54 PM  
JohnBigBootay: MacEnvy: TF is a little different than Fark. You know people a lot better, and there's some sense of personal accountability.

You aren't expected to understand.

Plus, you get to enjoy the same link sent in dozens of times and scores of zero-comment threads! I got sponsored a couple of times and I just don't get it. If totalfark was regular fark, I'd pay the $5 a month to get the one I have now. I've long thought Drew has it backwards.


Yeah, what a sweet deal that is!
You pay for the privilege of viewing exactly the same ads and the same content as everyone else.
 
2009-08-04 05:58:57 PM  
museisluse: Yay- Bill delivers.
I still wonder why Al Gore didn't do this. I guess NK wanted the "Big Dog"


Not a big enough "star".CynicalLA: TheRedMonkey: CynicalLA: You exactly the same people ignorant as well.

Engrish?

CynicalLA: Yeah, they are exactly the same. The Republicans didn't become obstructionist assholes when the economic crisis hit. And the Democrats didn't stand behind Bush right after 9/11. That 90% approval rating must have been fake. You exactly the same people ignorant as well.

More than 9/11 happened.

Criticize my grammar because you made a idiotic claim. You should just man up and admit you are ignorant.


How was the claim idiotic? Because you disagree with me illustrating that Bush was attacked no matter the deed for someone's political gain the same that people will attack and spin this event the same way? You are a jackass.
 
2009-08-04 05:59:24 PM  
Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: What part of "no normalized diplomatic relations therefore no official negotiation" do you guys not understand? Jeez, it's not that tough a concept.

So Hillary is weak and only Bill can do her job?

got it. thanks!


She did do her job. Which in this case was to set her ego aside and do the right thing instead of making this all about her and putting herself in the limelight. There was NO good reason for her to be involved with this publicly, only behind the scenes. She has an official position, Bill does not. We were able to get the hostages back without giving up as much face. Trying to send in the SoS no matter who they were, would have put us in a weaker position.
 
2009-08-04 06:00:12 PM  
sleep lack: Korean chicks FTW.

Agreed. Of all the kinds of asian chicks, Koreans are definitely THE hottest around.
 
2009-08-04 06:00:40 PM  
TheRedMonkey: PascalsGhost: I want an example of an overwhelming positive success for all Americans under Bush that was attacked on political lines you farking moron. Do you understand? Do you remember Bush's approval ratings before he went partisan? When everybody got behind him cause it was the right thing for the country?

The Bush tax cuts helped out most tax paying Americans but are attacked as being for the rich only.


How'd that work out? I mean, have you read a paper since 2008?

My point is you are claiming that he was never attacked is not true but no matter what I point to you will claim that it was not good for the country due to your political view points.

This isn't what I said.

There are million in Iraq who will disagree about how bad things are there and their GDP is 30% higher now and lots of women who once lived under Taliban rule will disagree in Afghanistan as will Bob Geldof praising Mr Bush's efforts over Aids and malaria in Africa; or to Manmohan Singh, the prime minister of India, who told him last week: "The people of India deeply love you."

Did he do a lot of crap, sure did. Congress does it constantly. I am not saying that what Clinton did is not great and should not be celebrated but rather the criticisms seen here are the same things we saw before. That no matter what happens good or bad someone will turn it into a political talking point about how bad the administration or person is. Obama policies could turn the economy around and someone will say it was Bush policies taking effect that fixed it all.


So, again, no, you cannot cite anything as directly awesome as the release of two young hostages where Bush was subsequently attacked.

Thanks.
 
2009-08-04 06:00:49 PM  
Warpigpen: I don't have time to read all 500+ comments, so if this has been said, sorry....

That is why you never send a woman to do man's work.

/easy now...it was just a jab at Hillary


Kinda hard to have a meaningful dialog with someone who did a lot of immature name calling. For all we know Bill may have let them know he wasn't impressed with the off color remarks about his wife.
 
2009-08-04 06:00:53 PM  
Warpigpen: That is why you never send a woman to do man's work.

Too bad for you then. Should of held off on the surgery a little bit longer.
 
2009-08-04 06:00:57 PM  
SupremeLeader: Yeah, what a sweet deal that is!
You pay for the privilege of viewing exactly the same ads and the same content as everyone else.


They do get some shiat we don't get. I'm not sure what it all is but I think there's value there. It was just too much stuff for me personally.
 
2009-08-04 06:01:44 PM  
PascalsGhost: So, again, no, you cannot cite anything as directly awesome as the release of two young hostages where Bush was subsequently attacked.

Thanks.


No I can't but that was not what my point was about to begin with.
 
2009-08-04 06:01:55 PM  
So, among those who are not relieved that the journalists are being freed and the situation has resolved peacefully, there appears to be two schools of thought:

1. Bill is no longer in office, therefore the Obama administration is weak and ineffective.

2. Bill was acting in cooperation with the Obama administration, therefore the Obama administration is negotiating with NK.

Gosh, it's almost as if critics of the Obama administration are finding fault for the sake of finding fault.
 
2009-08-04 06:01:56 PM  
smeegle: ratdog99: Think what you will of Bill, but if you have ever seen him in person, you have to concede that the SOB has charisma and charm in spades (even if he does have a particular attraction to fat chicks.)

Agreed, I liked him and don't care about the sexual transgression.
Heard him talk in Indy. Awesome orator.


It's not about the looks, it's about the blowjobs.
Besides, his vision is probably impaired.
 
2009-08-04 06:02:12 PM  
As I said earlier, it worked, and good for Bill.

For those of you saying that this was unofficial, perhaps it could be considered as such. I think North Korea might view that differently based on what was discussed.

However, this is from the CNN article:

Clinton expressed words of sincere apology to Kim Jong Il for the hostile acts committed by the two American journalists against the DPRK after illegally intruding into it," the news agency reported. "Clinton courteously conveyed to Kim Jong Il an earnest request of the U.S. government to leniently pardon them and send them back home from a humanitarian point of view.

"The meetings had candid and in-depth discussions on the pending issues between the DPRK and the U.S. in a sincere atmosphere and reached a consensus of views on seeking a negotiated settlement of them."

To me, this doesn't look to be the work of a private citizen, but someone that was acting on behalf of the U.S. goverment to negotiate.

Again, this is something our Secretary of State should be doing. If Bill was over there just to seek the release of the two journalists, then that should be all he addressed. It wasn't.
 
2009-08-04 06:02:15 PM  
Meet the two new inductees to the BJ Clinton chapter of the Mile High Club:

msnbcmedia4.msn.com
 
2009-08-04 06:02:19 PM  
wee beastie: That doesn't make sense... So the on-again / off-again multilateral talks that we have been conducting over the last few years somehow manage to get around an "official normalizing of relations," but a one-off meeting between a govt official and NK's gov't would... i see now.

Well yeah, considering that all of our official contacts with them go through Sweden. I can see where you'd be confused, being an idiot.
 
2009-08-04 06:02:48 PM  
Bush could've done that, but he was busy clearing brush and working on his autobiography. Or ineptly whimpering in a corner, please let it be that one.

/Clinton rocks
i26.tinypic.com
 
2009-08-04 06:03:07 PM  
Weaver95

For your edification (It was mine too). This type of mission is an officially recognized concept in diplomacy. It's called Track II diplomacy (new window)

"Our founder, Andrew Carnegie, was a Track II man himself," says Vartan Gregorian, president of Carnegie Corporation of New York.

Indeed, Carnegie financed a 1910 European peace junket in which one of his heroes, recently retired President Theodore Roosevelt, would meet with his other hero, Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany, for a conference advancing Carnegie's concept for a "League of Nations." Carnegie's biographer, Joseph Frazier Wall, writes: "This visit of Roosevelt to the Kaiser could bring about the triumphant resolution of all he had worked for, written about, and dreamt for the past five years: Carnegie's two heroes, at last meeting face to face, reaching agreement, and by that forcing Britain into line. 'If any man can get the Emperor in accord for peace, you are that man,' [Carnegie] wrote to Roosevelt. 'He will go far to act in unison with you, of this I am sure. You are sympathetic souls.'"

Unfortunately, on May 6, 1910, just as the series of meetings was schedule to get under way, news came from London of the death of King Edward VII. Protocol demanded a suspension of plans which had taken more than 18 months to formulate. Undaunted, little more than six months later, on his 75th birthday, Carnegie launched the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace with a $10 million gift, charging the organization's trustees to "hasten the abolition of international war, the foulest blot upon our civilization."


Or in the words of Dwight Eisenhower after the Russians downed a U-2 spy plane: "I can't talk to the Soviets, but somebody better."
 
2009-08-04 06:03:29 PM  
SupremeLeader: smeegle: ratdog99: Think what you will of Bill, but if you have ever seen him in person, you have to concede that the SOB has charisma and charm in spades (even if he does have a particular attraction to fat chicks.)

Agreed, I liked him and don't care about the sexual transgression.
Heard him talk in Indy. Awesome orator.

It's not about the looks, it's about the blowjobs.
Besides, his vision is probably impaired.


It was about the words.
 
2009-08-04 06:03:35 PM  
Lock'n Load: Meet the two new inductees to the BJ Clinton chapter of the Mile High Club:

If he got me out of 12 years in a north korean labor camp I'd blow him with a smile on my face.
 
2009-08-04 06:03:49 PM  
ambercat: Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: What part of "no normalized diplomatic relations therefore no official negotiation" do you guys not understand? Jeez, it's not that tough a concept.

So Hillary is weak and only Bill can do her job?

got it. thanks!

She did do her job. Which in this case was to set her ego aside and do the right thing instead of making this all about her and putting herself in the limelight. There was NO good reason for her to be involved with this publicly, only behind the scenes. She has an official position, Bill does not. We were able to get the hostages back without giving up as much face. Trying to send in the SoS no matter who they were, would have put us in a weaker position.


Exactly. Sending the SoS would be a totally disproportionate reaction. It's the kind of carrot that should be reserved for BIG concessions from North Korea.
 
2009-08-04 06:04:07 PM  
SupremeLeader: u pay for the privilege of viewing exactly the same ads and the same content as everyone else.

Firefox-->adblock. And you get to see a lot of interesting redlit threads plus the TFD sports-discussion threads are usually entertaining.
 
2009-08-04 06:04:26 PM  
stvdallas: Clinton expressed words of sincere apology to Kim Jong Il for the hostile acts committed by the two American journalists against the DPRK after illegally intruding into it," the news agency reported. "Clinton courteously conveyed to Kim Jong Il an earnest request of the U.S. government to leniently pardon them and send them back home from a humanitarian point of view.

"The meetings had candid and in-depth discussions on the pending issues between the DPRK and the U.S. in a sincere atmosphere and reached a consensus of views on seeking a negotiated settlement of them."


These are also the words of the NK news agency as related by CNN. Do you honestly trust anything they say? They're worse than our news outlets by leaps and bounds.
 
2009-08-04 06:05:30 PM  
stvdallas: For those of you saying that this was unofficial, perhaps it could be considered as such. I think North Korea might view that differently based on what was discussed.

Dude of course THEY want to view it like that. Way to COMPLETELY miss the point. Sending Clinton was genius.
 
2009-08-04 06:05:52 PM  
TheRedMonkey: museisluse: Yay- Bill delivers.
I still wonder why Al Gore didn't do this. I guess NK wanted the "Big Dog"

Not a big enough "star".CynicalLA: TheRedMonkey: CynicalLA: You exactly the same people ignorant as well.

Engrish?

CynicalLA: Yeah, they are exactly the same. The Republicans didn't become obstructionist assholes when the economic crisis hit. And the Democrats didn't stand behind Bush right after 9/11. That 90% approval rating must have been fake. You exactly the same people ignorant as well.

More than 9/11 happened.

Criticize my grammar because you made a idiotic claim. You should just man up and admit you are ignorant.

How was the claim idiotic? Because you disagree with me illustrating that Bush was attacked no matter the deed for someone's political gain the same that people will attack and spin this event the same way? You are a jackass.


He asked for an example where Bush did something all around good and was attacked for it. And Bush wasn't attacked for 8 years, he got a free pass until the WMD/Iraq bullshiat came out. Guess you don't remember the run up to the war in Iraq.
 
2009-08-04 06:06:54 PM  
I see how this works...

home.comcast.net
 
2009-08-04 06:07:22 PM  
farm4.static.flickr.com
A peak behind the Clinton negotiation technique. After impressing little dick foreign dictators with his tales of conquest then he takes them to a strip club, get them drunk and then gets pictures of them doing coke during and orgy with a few hookers. The picture is traded for the hostages when the foreign dictator realizes that both his and Clinton's penises are visible in the photograph and Bill is much bigger to avoid the dictator looking like a small man.
Problem solved! Send this guy to the UN!
farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2009-08-04 06:08:31 PM  
Blowmonkey: Bush could've done that, but he was busy clearing brush and working on his autobiography. Or ineptly whimpering in a corner, please let it be that one.

/Clinton rocks


Bush clearing brush at Crawford was such a stupid media stunt that it's surprising how few actually questioned it.
 
2009-08-04 06:09:40 PM  
stvdallas: As I said earlier, it worked, and good for Bill.

For those of you saying that this was unofficial, perhaps it could be considered as such. I think North Korea might view that differently based on what was discussed.

However, this is from the CNN article:

Clinton expressed words of sincere apology to Kim Jong Il for the hostile acts committed by the two American journalists against the DPRK after illegally intruding into it," the news agency reported. "Clinton courteously conveyed to Kim Jong Il an earnest request of the U.S. government to leniently pardon them and send them back home from a humanitarian point of view.

"The meetings had candid and in-depth discussions on the pending issues between the DPRK and the U.S. in a sincere atmosphere and reached a consensus of views on seeking a negotiated settlement of them."

To me, this doesn't look to be the work of a private citizen, but someone that was acting on behalf of the U.S. goverment to negotiate.

Again, this is something our Secretary of State should be doing. If Bill was over there just to seek the release of the two journalists, then that should be all he addressed. It wasn't.


LOL, what a sad person you are. You can just be glad two fellow citizens were released. Pathetic.
 
2009-08-04 06:09:45 PM  
Sir Roderick Ponce von Fontlebottom: What's that about about hot asian chicks in skin-tight rubber?



/Took this long?


It's PVC.
 
NGM
2009-08-04 06:09:57 PM  
God, I would spread for Bill Clinton in the biggest way. He's so gaddamn impressive..
 
2009-08-04 06:10:03 PM  
smeegle: SupremeLeader: smeegle: ratdog99: Think what you will of Bill, but if you have ever seen him in person, you have to concede that the SOB has charisma and charm in spades (even if he does have a particular attraction to fat chicks.)

Agreed, I liked him and don't care about the sexual transgression.
Heard him talk in Indy. Awesome orator.

It's not about the looks, it's about the blowjobs.
Besides, his vision is probably impaired.

It was about the words.


It was all about Jesus.
 
2009-08-04 06:10:43 PM  
Jong looks like he's ready to die tomorrow.

Did the Big Dog slip a word in his ear that, unofficially of course, the U.S. would not screw with his boy for twelve to eighteen months if he behaved himself?

So many interesting possibilities.
 
2009-08-04 06:10:44 PM  
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: These are also the words of the NK news agency as related by CNN. Do you honestly trust anything they say? They're worse than our news outlets by leaps and bounds.

No, but again...this is how North Korea is perceiving this. Basically, whether we sent Hillary OR Bill, the end result for North Korea is the same...they think they negotiated with the U.S.

Now...ask yourself this. If we had sent Hillary, do you think they would have released the journalists?

As I said earlier, Clinton did well to get the hostages released, but I do want to point out how much Hillary has ridden Bill's coattails, and how ineffective she is and would be if she was ever elected president.
 
2009-08-04 06:11:27 PM  
In one day, too. Clinton is the man..
 
2009-08-04 06:11:41 PM  
PascalsGhost: stvdallas: As I said earlier, it worked, and good for Bill.

For those of you saying that this was unofficial, perhaps it could be considered as such. I think North Korea might view that differently based on what was discussed.

However, this is from the CNN article:

Clinton expressed words of sincere apology to Kim Jong Il for the hostile acts committed by the two American journalists against the DPRK after illegally intruding into it," the news agency reported. "Clinton courteously conveyed to Kim Jong Il an earnest request of the U.S. government to leniently pardon them and send them back home from a humanitarian point of view.

"The meetings had candid and in-depth discussions on the pending issues between the DPRK and the U.S. in a sincere atmosphere and reached a consensus of views on seeking a negotiated settlement of them."

To me, this doesn't look to be the work of a private citizen, but someone that was acting on behalf of the U.S. goverment to negotiate.

Again, this is something our Secretary of State should be doing. If Bill was over there just to seek the release of the two journalists, then that should be all he addressed. It wasn't.

LOL, what a sad person you are. You can just be glad two fellow citizens were released. Pathetic.


Disinformation Descentformation is patriotic, dontcha know?
 
2009-08-04 06:13:12 PM  
SupremeLeader: Blowmonkey: Bush could've done that, but he was busy clearing brush and working on his autobiography. Or ineptly whimpering in a corner, please let it be that one.

/Clinton rocks

Bush clearing brush at Crawford was such a stupid media stunt that it's surprising how few actually questioned it.


Not if you consider how stupid the country is.
 
2009-08-04 06:15:27 PM  
stvdallas: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: These are also the words of the NK news agency as related by CNN. Do you honestly trust anything they say? They're worse than our news outlets by leaps and bounds.

No, but again...this is how North Korea is perceiving this. Basically, whether we sent Hillary OR Bill, the end result for North Korea is the same...they think they negotiated with the U.S.

Now...ask yourself this. If we had sent Hillary, do you think they would have released the journalists?

As I said earlier, Clinton did well to get the hostages released, but I do want to point out how much Hillary has ridden Bill's coattails, and how ineffective she is and would be if she was ever elected president.


So you are glad that we got the hostages and the right thing was done but this just proves how bad Hillary Clinton sucks.

Seriously bro, kill yourself. You are just taking up space and air and intelligent productive person could be using.
 
2009-08-04 06:16:03 PM  
PascalsGhost: SupremeLeader: Blowmonkey: Bush could've done that, but he was busy clearing brush and working on his autobiography. Or ineptly whimpering in a corner, please let it be that one.

/Clinton rocks

Bush clearing brush at Crawford was such a stupid media stunt that it's surprising how few actually questioned it.

Not if you consider how stupid the country is.


It was a very post-literate moment in media history.

Let's take the old show "Dallas" and try to make it look as if this retarded, inbred New England aristocrat is actually a self-made oil man and good ol' boy.

And it worked! It actually worked!
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU...
 
2009-08-04 06:16:14 PM  
stvdallas: No, but again...this is how North Korea is perceiving this. Basically, whether we sent Hillary OR Bill, the end result for North Korea is the same...they think they negotiated with the U.S.

Now...ask yourself this. If we had sent Hillary, do you think they would have released the journalists?

As I said earlier, Clinton did well to get the hostages released, but I do want to point out how much Hillary has ridden Bill's coattails, and how ineffective she is and would be if she was ever elected president.


There hasn't been a US Sec/state to visit NK in almost a decade and Hilary going under the current circumstances wasn;t an option. Who gives a shiat what NK thinks? He's gonna tell the population whatever the hell he wants and they have no way of knowing anything different.
 
2009-08-04 06:16:17 PM  
SupremeLeader: Then look at my pirate boner, ye mighty, and despair!

IT CASTS A SHADOW!
 
2009-08-04 06:16:50 PM  
Asian chicks, whatever. The only good thing about them is that you can kill one in your hotel room and really nobody will notice.
 
2009-08-04 06:16:59 PM  
Two Asian chicks. At the same time, no less.
 
2009-08-04 06:18:17 PM  
As a proud conservative who has never been a big fan of Clinton, I have to give credit where credit is do. This guy is a really good talker, a shrewd politician and still has a great deal of credibility with much of the world. If he wants to spend his time getting hostages released and he can make it happen, then awesome. As long as we do not have members of the current administration shelling out benefits to nations which kidnap Americans, a diplomatic visit from a former president could and apparently does work. I say that we should send him out to deal with the midget in Iran who has a few idiot Americans who went "hiking" into Iran held hostage. If Clinton can do this twice in a row, he will be a hero in my opinion.
Never voted for him, but has a big thumbs up with this one.

BTW: Next time they try to arrest our journalists we should go carpet bombing with bunker busters in the few parts of the country with electricity.
 
2009-08-04 06:18:18 PM  
Weigard: Asian chicks, whatever. The only good thing about them is that you can kill one in your hotel room and really nobody will notice.

They are also easy to spot at Renaissance Fair events.
Someone always find the chink in the armor.
 
2009-08-04 06:18:52 PM  
PascalsGhost: Not if you consider how stupid the country is.



No shiat... we just elected an empty suit for the most important job on Earth.



/BTW, good jorb Slick Willie!!
 
2009-08-04 06:19:52 PM  
JohnBigBootay: Plus, you get to enjoy the same link sent in dozens of times and scores of zero-comment threads! I got sponsored a couple of times and I just don't get it. If totalfark was regular fark, I'd pay the $5 a month to get the one I have now. I've long thought Drew has it backwards.

The best part of TF is the access to the greened threads long before they get posted to the general population. This is often when the best conversation and debate occurs.
 
2009-08-04 06:20:38 PM  
TheRedMonkey: How was the claim idiotic? Because you disagree with me illustrating that Bush was attacked no matter the deed for someone's political gain the same that people will attack and spin this event the same way? You are a jackass.

TheRedMonkey: Every time Bush did anything he was attacked. Do you really need an example or did you sleep the last 8 years?

That is what you said. It sounds idiotic to anyone that was paying attention.
 
2009-08-04 06:20:39 PM  
stvdallas: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: These are also the words of the NK news agency as related by CNN. Do you honestly trust anything they say? They're worse than our news outlets by leaps and bounds.

No, but again...this is how North Korea is perceiving this. Basically, whether we sent Hillary OR Bill, the end result for North Korea is the same...they think they negotiated with the U.S.

Now...ask yourself this. If we had sent Hillary, do you think they would have released the journalists?

As I said earlier, Clinton did well to get the hostages released, but I do want to point out how much Hillary has ridden Bill's coattails, and how ineffective she is and would be if she was ever elected president.


Well, yeah, but this is also a country that perceives its leader as a god. They're gonna see things how they wanna see them no matter what we do or who we send. You can't reason crazy people into sanity. What we need is weaponized thorazine.

And I have no basis upon which to judge Sec. Clinton's effectiveness, but, you're free to assert she would be a bad president. I didn't vote for her in the primaries, so I guess I agree with you.
 
2009-08-04 06:21:02 PM  
Should have had Jesse go over there and bring them back. That way KJ thinks he got a big reaction and an important visit so he lets them go, but the rest of us know he got squat 'cause Jesse don't matter around here anymore.
 
2009-08-04 06:21:12 PM  
Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: Not if you consider how stupid the country is.



No shiat... we just elected an empty suit for the most important job on Earth.




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Ohohohohohoh! Is funny because you're bitter!
 
2009-08-04 06:22:33 PM  
Phil Herup: No shiat... we just elected an empty suit for the most important job on Earth

Wait, is it somehow 2001 again? Cause I'm not sure who you're referring to.
 
2009-08-04 06:22:55 PM  
JohnBigBootay: There hasn't been a US Sec/state to visit NK in almost a decade and Hilary going under the current circumstances wasn;t an option. Who gives a shiat what NK thinks? He's gonna tell the population whatever the hell he wants and they have no way of knowing anything different.

10 years is nothing, and it doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't start negotiating with them now. In fact, we just did by sending Bill. If you think this was "unofficial", you're not very bright. Bill went with the full knowledge and blessings of our President and Secretary of State. The fact that he discussed other issues than just the hostages proves that. Did he have an official designation? No, but that is semantics. He was perceived by the Koreans as being official, and though it may not matter to you, it does matter to them.

I ask again. Bill was able to get this done, and quite easily. Hillary could have easily gone as a representative (semantics to send Bill), but that brings me back to the big question.

If Hillary had gone, do you think the hostages would have been released? Answer honestly...you don't have to answer here...just in your head.
 
2009-08-04 06:23:13 PM  
Phil Herup: PascalsGhost: Not if you consider how stupid the country is.



No shiat... we just elected an empty suit for the most important job on Earth.



/BTW, good jorb Slick Willie!!


Thank you for at least acknowledging this is a great thing.


SupremeLeader: PascalsGhost: SupremeLeader: Blowmonkey: Bush could've done that, but he was busy clearing brush and working on his autobiography. Or ineptly whimpering in a corner, please let it be that one.

/Clinton rocks

Bush clearing brush at Crawford was such a stupid media stunt that it's surprising how few actually questioned it.

Not if you consider how stupid the country is.

It was a very post-literate moment in media history.

Let's take the old show "Dallas" and try to make it look as if this retarded, inbred New England aristocrat is actually a self-made oil man and good ol' boy.

And it worked! It actually worked!
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU...


They have to have no respect at all for the common voter. How could you? I mean, seriously, think about it.
 
2009-08-04 06:24:23 PM  
stvdallas: JohnBigBootay: There hasn't been a US Sec/state to visit NK in almost a decade and Hilary going under the current circumstances wasn;t an option. Who gives a shiat what NK thinks? He's gonna tell the population whatever the hell he wants and they have no way of knowing anything different.

10 years is nothing, and it doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't start negotiating with them now. In fact, we just did by sending Bill. If you think this was "unofficial", you're not very bright. Bill went with the full knowledge and blessings of our President and Secretary of State. The fact that he discussed other issues than just the hostages proves that. Did he have an official designation? No, but that is semantics. He was perceived by the Koreans as being official, and though it may not matter to you, it does matter to them.

I ask again. Bill was able to get this done, and quite easily. Hillary could have easily gone as a representative (semantics to send Bill), but that brings me back to the big question.

If Hillary had gone, do you think the hostages would have been released? Answer honestly...you don't have to answer here...just in your head.


LOL, what a dumbass. Jesus Christ.
 
2009-08-04 06:24:50 PM  
stvdallas: I ask again. Bill was able to get this done, and quite easily. Hillary could have easily gone as a representative (semantics to send Bill), but that brings me back to the big question.

If Hillary had gone, do you think the hostages would have been released? Answer honestly...you don't have to answer here...just in your head.


Yep, but since Hillary can't go due to, you know, us not having normal relations with them it's a moot point. And I'm surprised you're doing so well at reading North Korea's collective mind. It must be tough! Maybe you should work for the state department!
 
2009-08-04 06:26:08 PM  
stvdallas: If Hillary had gone, do you think the hostages would have been released? Answer honestly...you don't have to answer here...just in your head.

Probably. All they wanted was the PR.
 
2009-08-04 06:27:57 PM  
jdmac: As a proud conservative who has never been a big fan of Clinton, I have to give credit where credit is do. This guy is a really good talker, a shrewd politician and still has a great deal of credibility with much of the world. If he wants to spend his time getting hostages released and he can make it happen, then awesome. As long as we do not have members of the current administration shelling out benefits to nations which kidnap Americans, a diplomatic visit from a former president could and apparently does work. I say that we should send him out to deal with the midget in Iran who has a few idiot Americans who went "hiking" into Iran held hostage. If Clinton can do this twice in a row, he will be a hero in my opinion.
Never voted for him, but has a big thumbs up with this one.

BTW: Next time they try to arrest our journalists we should go carpet bombing with bunker busters in the few parts of the country with electricity.


You haven't left your trailer in thirty years have you? You deserve to be mocked, at length, for your ignorance.
 
2009-08-04 06:28:16 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: stvdallas: I ask again. Bill was able to get this done, and quite easily. Hillary could have easily gone as a representative (semantics to send Bill), but that brings me back to the big question.

If Hillary had gone, do you think the hostages would have been released? Answer honestly...you don't have to answer here...just in your head.

Yep, but since Hillary can't go due to, you know, us not having normal relations with them it's a moot point. And I'm surprised you're doing so well at reading North Korea's collective mind. It must be tough! Maybe you should work for the state department!


So, these ladies have been cooling their heels in NK prison for 4-5 months, but the negotiations couldn't have gone through the proper channels? We have relations with North Korea through the six member coalition. We could have approached Sweden and asked for them back. We did not need to send anyone at all to North Korea.
 
2009-08-04 06:29:40 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: cameroncrazy1984: stvdallas: I ask again. Bill was able to get this done, and quite easily. Hillary could have easily gone as a representative (semantics to send Bill), but that brings me back to the big question.

If Hillary had gone, do you think the hostages would have been released? Answer honestly...you don't have to answer here...just in your head.

Yep, but since Hillary can't go due to, you know, us not having normal relations with them it's a moot point. And I'm surprised you're doing so well at reading North Korea's collective mind. It must be tough! Maybe you should work for the state department!

So, these ladies have been cooling their heels in NK prison for 4-5 months, but the negotiations couldn't have gone through the proper channels? We have relations with North Korea through the six member coalition. We could have approached Sweden and asked for them back. We did not need to send anyone at all to North Korea.


You'd be crying like a biatch if they held you for a day. Pussies are hilarious.
 
2009-08-04 06:31:17 PM  
The_Six_Fingered_Man: cameroncrazy1984: stvdallas: I ask again. Bill was able to get this done, and quite easily. Hillary could have easily gone as a representative (semantics to send Bill), but that brings me back to the big question.

If Hillary had gone, do you think the hostages would have been released? Answer honestly...you don't have to answer here...just in your head.

Yep, but since Hillary can't go due to, you know, us not having normal relations with them it's a moot point. And I'm surprised you're doing so well at reading North Korea's collective mind. It must be tough! Maybe you should work for the state department!

So, these ladies have been cooling their heels in NK prison for 4-5 months, but the negotiations couldn't have gone through the proper channels? We have relations with North Korea through the six member coalition. We could have approached Sweden and asked for them back. We did not need to send anyone at all to North Korea.


It's good thing people like you are not in charge anymore.
 
2009-08-04 06:32:15 PM  
PascalsGhost: The_Six_Fingered_Man: cameroncrazy1984: stvdallas: I ask again. Bill was able to get this done, and quite easily. Hillary could have easily gone as a representative (semantics to send Bill), but that brings me back to the big question.

If Hillary had gone, do you think the hostages would have been released? Answer honestly...you don't have to answer here...just in your head.

Yep, but since Hillary can't go due to, you know, us not having normal relations with them it's a moot point. And I'm surprised you're doing so well at reading North Korea's collective mind. It must be tough! Maybe you should work for the state department!

So, these ladies have been cooling their heels in NK prison for 4-5 months, but the negotiations couldn't have gone through the proper channels? We have relations with North Korea through the six member coalition. We could have approached Sweden and asked for them back. We did not need to send anyone at all to North Korea.

You'd be crying like a biatch if they held you for a day. Pussies are hilarious.


Ok then champ. Cause you know exactly how long I would last. Do you ever get tired of being psychic? If two women can last 5 months, I'm pretty sure that I can last more than a day without bursting into tears. Especially if I was in China filming North Korea.

BTW: When did you become Editor in Chief of Internet Tough Guy Magazine?