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(Yahoo)   The tiny town of Moab, Utah, has asked Bush not to use the acronym MOAB for a new bomb because it could damage city's image   (story.news.yahoo.com) divider line 76
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2003-02-28 07:35:18 PM  
Thanks for the spark, JoeyJoeJoeJuniorShabadue....
 
2003-02-28 07:38:52 PM  
Ha, there was a deli in Modesto called MOAB ... MEAL ON A BUN.
 
2003-02-28 07:43:02 PM  
"Although I do agree with you (I think this is what you were saying your opinion was)that anything that does an amount that equals or exceeds a specefic amount of damage(as the MOAB would) should be considered a Weapon of Mass Destruction."

I'd like to revise this paragraph:

Although I do agree with you (I think this is what you were saying your opinion was)that anything that does an amount that equals or exceeds a specefic amount of damage/realistic death toll(as the MOAB could and may very well do) should be considered a Weapon of Mass Destruction.
 
2003-02-28 07:46:21 PM  
I really need to sit and re-read what I type a few times before I post it...
 
2003-02-28 07:53:23 PM  
Magic,

"The only time nuclear weapons have EVER been used in warfare was at the end of World War II(As I'm sure you are aware). My reference to them being more political levers than actual weapons was mainly supported by how they were used during the Cold War; not as actual weapons, to kill the enemy, but rather as levers to get what you want through political means."


This is not the Cold War. There are many within the Gov/Mil/Science/etc... community whom have expressed the fact that MAD worked during that time but that we are in far more jeopardy now then we ever have been. Why is it that border guards all over the globe are being trained to identify radioactive materials crossing their borders.

I am not a Ph.D. in Physics but I have read enough and do know enough about physics, electronics and other technologies that even I MIGHT be able to build a small to large nuclear weapon given:

1. Skilled machinists
2. Skilled explosives experts
3. Skilled mechanical engineers
4. Skilled opticians
5. $4-8 M in funding
6. A decent lab
7. No interruptions
8. Several powerful LINUX boxes
9. ...and a few other things ...

My point being that physics is physics is physics. Once the fundamentals were discovered back in the years 1822-1941 there was no secret anymore. If you understood the physics, have the materials and skills - you could replicate what was discovered - regardless if your name is John Smith, Bai Chien, Mahoud Awad, or Louis Bentout.

I hate to use this quote but it fits - "The Nuclear Genie is out of the Bottle" - the only difference now is that a Namibia, given enough resources - could have a 10-20 KT device now.

A few years back someone figured out how to build an airplane. This was something that was "impossible". Now I can build one in my garage - I am really stretching the analogy here I know but - do you get the point?

K
 
2003-02-28 07:54:11 PM  
My folks live near Moab, in Nephi, Utah. My son lives near there too.

On a more relevant note though, acronyms can really change the perception of something. Remember the diet product AYDS that disappeared in the '80s shortly after the publicity around AIDS?
 
2003-02-28 08:12:13 PM  
02-28-03 07:54:11 PM SpinStopper
My folks live near Moab, in Nephi, Utah. My son lives near there too.

On a more relevant note though, acronyms can really change the perception of something. Remember the diet product AYDS that disappeared in the '80s shortly after the publicity around AIDS?


Yeah, they even had TV ads with people saying "I lost 30 pounds with AYDS!!" Of course you did.

But I can top that one. In Reno, where I grew up, for years the local ambulance/paramedic company was called "Aids Ambulance Company." They changed the name after AIDS became known, but it took them a few years to get around to it. In the mid 1980s, there was a picture in the newspaper of a couple of paramedic vans with "Aids Ambulance" written all over them parked at the fairgrounds, standing ready in case there were any injuries at the event that was taking place there. What was the event? The annual "Western U.S. Gay Rodeo." Really.
 
2003-02-28 08:14:24 PM  
The whole issue of the actual definition of "Weapon of Mass Destruction" is pretty murky. Nuclear, Chemical and Biological are thrown into the group but I've been told some of the new statutes even include simple pipe bombs and large fireworks and other pretty tame stuff.

The MOAB isn't anything new really. The Brits dropped some huge bombs in WWII and the Russians dropped some really big stuff trying to subdue Afghanistan but they weren't all that effective. A good weapon to have in the inventory but they are only useful in certain situations.
 
2003-02-28 08:19:50 PM  
Well, what it really boils down to, on the whether or not something is a WoMD, is what degree of destruction you consider 'mass destruction' to be.

I see your point, Kaka.
 
2003-02-28 08:50:14 PM  
All I know about Moab is that it's where funpigs stay. Too bad I can't find a shot of that billboard, but anyone with a copy of National Lampoon's True Facts should know what I'm talking about.
 
2003-02-28 08:51:03 PM  
Cyberluddite In the mid 1980s, there was a picture in the newspaper of a couple of paramedic vans with "Aids Ambulance" written all over them parked at the fairgrounds, standing ready in case there were any injuries at the event that was taking place there. What was the event? The annual "Western U.S. Gay Rodeo." Really.

Dude. You just made me blow beer out my nose all over the keyboard. Figuratively speaking, of course :)
 
2003-02-28 08:59:00 PM  
MOAB is my washpot...
 
2003-02-28 09:00:03 PM  
The only reason I ever make it to Moab is for the car show every April. Its not to bad to visit but I would really hate to live there. Come to think of it one of my friends lives there...poor her.

For the non Utahns and the people wondering its pronounced Moe-Ab

probably a given but what the hell someone had to do it
 
2003-02-28 09:05:30 PM  
Cyberluddite


LOVE your name! Paradox Central! Excellent!


/night all
 
2003-02-28 09:26:28 PM  
Pussies.
 
2003-02-28 09:46:39 PM  
Damn, I just read through the whole thread looking for someone to come up with the acronym for ALBUQUERQUE-

Here, I'll try:

All
Ludicrous
Base
Usurpers
Quietly
....
....
....
..
.

Aww shizz, nevermind.

/i got nothin'
 
2003-02-28 10:03:03 PM  
You ask, TKOA answers

Already
lit
butane
usually
quells
understanding
everytime
randy
quits
untying
everything
 
2003-02-28 10:13:54 PM  
I loved Moab. Tho I wouldnt want to live there. Pretty isolated.
I stopped there during a 2 month x-country trip. Stayed 4 days. Great 4-wheeling. The canyons are gorgeous. Like mini grand canyons. Much more accessible and usable than grand canyon.
My friend mailed me a bag of buds while I was at a hotel there. So Moab has a special place in my heart :)
 
2003-02-28 10:16:40 PM  
Another
Lame
Bit
Used
Quickly
Expecting
Responses
Quoting
Universal
Excellence
 
2003-02-28 10:57:41 PM  
heh, you had a perfect till the last two words
 
2003-02-28 11:00:53 PM  
You done messed up now, I have summoned the TKOA himself. And if I know TKOA (and I do) he ain't farkin around
 
2003-02-28 11:01:52 PM  
Thanks Counot Popeula for posting my breakdown of ALBUQUERQUE.

Mine is great.
 
2003-03-01 02:31:58 AM  
ive been to moab once. its a really nice place, lots of black widow spiders and caves, not to mention old native american paintings on the rock faces. i thoroughly enjoyed the week i stayed there and would go back in the future, and now that its going to be associated with the name of a bomb makes it even cooler. heres to the mountain biking capital of the world, or so ive heard it called before...*raises guinness to the screen*
 
zkm
2003-03-01 02:48:10 AM  
The phrase 'weapon of mass destruction' deals with weapons that cause large amounts(either primarily or secondarily) untargeted or collatorial destruction even when used properly. Nuclear weapons create fallout that can cause 'death and destruction' for long periods of time after the actual blast damage is done harming people not originally the targets for generations. Chemical weapons spread by winds killing all people in the area and downwind, not just the targeted soldiers. Biological weapons spread throughout any population in contact, not just the original target. The fact that these weapons cannot be used in a way that limits their effect solely to the strategic target makes them weapons of mass destruction. A 'conventional' weapon will only kill with its initial use, and only damage those in the targeted zone; the physical destruction stops there. A weapon of amss destruction causes damage that spreads to those outside the original target, mass destruction.
 
2003-03-01 10:02:18 AM  
Moab--very cool place, beautiful and isolated. Invaded by hordes of mountain-biking hippies and people driving Jeeps every spring. You don't like it? Good--stay away. VERY isolated--no big bars, no Imax, no interstates, no amusement parks. Trust me, you'd hate it.
 
2003-03-01 05:18:07 PM  
As a mountainbiker, this must makes me want to go to Moab more! ....not only do I get badass trails and stoned hippie chicks, now we get to blow crap up!
 
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