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2009-08-04 12:15:52 PM
steamingpile: rastjr: i don't sing his praised but I also don't see him as a threat.

Big differance.

Our standards for president of the US should be a little higher than that, don't you think?

No, I dont care where you are from, leaders of a nation shouldnt be able to seize companies just because they feel like it, to anyone with a brain thats a threat.

These companies poured millions into oil exploration for the country and then he kicks them out or extorts money from them so they can stay? Personally I would have rather invaded him than bothered with the piss ant that was saddam. Both are dicks but chavez is doing more to hurt return on revenue that was invested.

But then, I dont expect most brain dead people to care since they accept the BS willingly spouted by their so called leaders in their political parties.

Oh and chavez had no business being anywhere near obama during that summit, they should have pushed him away until he decides to pay for all the money he has stolen.

Hes no saint but to put bush in a category near him is just moronic, chavez is barely a step above the african warlords except hes killing the rich that oppose him, so I guess thats ok in peoples minds.



Bush has killed way more americans than Chavez ever had or will.
 
2009-08-04 12:18:37 PM
www.thinkgeek.com
Get with the program.

/thinkgeek
 
2009-08-04 12:18:43 PM
So another tin pot African dictator is running his craphole country into the ground... Meh!
 
2009-08-04 12:20:21 PM
rastjr: Bush has killed way more americans than Chavez ever had or will.


We were able of get rid of Bush, Chavez had the law changed in 2009 so he may be re-elected president an unlimited number of times.
 
2009-08-04 12:24:35 PM
"Seize this Honkus!"
www.filmdope.com
/As hot as the day is long
 
2009-08-04 12:24:36 PM
Fama de America and Cafe Madrid, would be audited for any irregularities and could will face nationalisation if when these were proved.

I guess the editor missed his morning coffee and was asleep at the keyboard.

Still, as an America, I don't give a shait what President Chavez does to his country. It's the Venezuelan's country, and this is the man they wanted leading them, have fun. Its not our problem, or our place to stick our nose in it. Our place is on the sidelines pointing and laughing.
 
2009-08-04 12:27:20 PM
The spice must flow.
 
2009-08-04 12:30:17 PM
atlanta_ufo: rastjr: Bush has killed way more americans than Chavez ever had or will.


We were able of get rid of Bush, Chavez had the law changed in 2009 so he may be re-elected president an unlimited number of times.



And, what's your point?

Chavez is worse?
 
2009-08-04 12:33:58 PM
Boberto: CapitolG: Boberto: Care to rephrase your uninformed jackassery?

Likely not, Drakin020 has stated that he was refering to white tea, but the point is, he is still a "crazy Caffeine addict" Like the rest of us.

Shart... sorry Drakin I brain-farted while dual replying to you and februarymakeup, no more horseplay. I drink decaf coffee. Love the taste, hate the caffeine shakes.


All good. Also I came across this post after my reply, so yeah it's all good.
 
2009-08-04 12:34:09 PM
Hmmm...tastes nutty..
 
2009-08-04 12:35:25 PM
rastjr: Chavez is another bogeyman created by the press and Republicans to create fear and hatred.

Oh my god, they are socialists!!! They threaten our way of life!!!

They hate our freedoms!!!


And have now stolen our coffee!

/this issue has been percolating for some time now
 
2009-08-04 12:39:57 PM
Drakin020: Boberto: CapitolG: Boberto: Care to rephrase your uninformed jackassery?

Likely not, Drakin020 has stated that he was refering to white tea, but the point is, he is still a "crazy Caffeine addict" Like the rest of us.

Shart... sorry Drakin I brain-farted while dual replying to you and februarymakeup, no more horseplay. I drink decaf coffee. Love the taste, hate the caffeine shakes.

All good. Also I came across this post after my reply, so yeah it's all good.


Funny how we (farkers) can devolve a topic about international economic and political strife into an argument on caffeine contents. Now, if there were some pictures of boobs...
 
2009-08-04 12:47:32 PM
Boberto: Now, if there were some pictures of boobs...

Just for you, a couple of boobies:
www.msu.edu
 
2009-08-04 12:59:50 PM
Where is Cheney's assassination squad when we need it? I want my coffee!
 
2009-08-04 12:59:51 PM
rastjr: Bush has killed way more americans than Chavez ever had or will.

Blah blah blah, yeah keep talking shiat, chavez has cost more jobs than the housing bubble barney frank helped create.

Saying chavez is somehow above bush in moral compasses is farking idiotic but then I expect nothing less from fark.
 
2009-08-04 01:09:07 PM
steamingpile: rastjr: Bush has killed way more americans than Chavez ever had or will.

Blah blah blah, yeah keep talking shiat, chavez has cost more jobs than the housing bubble barney frank helped create.

Saying chavez is somehow above bush in moral compasses is farking idiotic but then I expect nothing less from fark.



You haven't refuted my assertions so you have to name call.

I expect that from some people.
 
2009-08-04 01:10:30 PM
Sleepingrusty: Get with the program.

/thinkgeek


May contain leaves, scorpions, cobras and Sorry! game pieces? I think I'll pass.
 
2009-08-04 01:16:49 PM
rastjr: steamingpile: rastjr: Bush has killed way more americans than Chavez ever had or will.

Blah blah blah, yeah keep talking shiat, chavez has cost more jobs than the housing bubble barney frank helped create.

Saying chavez is somehow above bush in moral compasses is farking idiotic but then I expect nothing less from fark.


You haven't refuted my assertions so you have to name call.

I expect that from some people.


As I expected. Bush leaves power yet Chavez sympathizers still cling to the "but BUSH!" excuses.

Really though Obama should be next on the convenient tangent distraction. Get with the times chavistas, Chavez has already claimed that Obama is an ignoramus and that he was behind recent plots to get rid of him.
 
2009-08-04 01:17:52 PM
rastjr: Bush has killed way more americans than Chavez ever had or will.



Obama's Nationalized EuthanasiaHealthcare will murder far more Americans than all wars combined.

Obama is getting a head start with killing Americans with July being the deadliest month ever with 43 US soldiers killed in Afghanistan.
 
2009-08-04 01:27:02 PM
rastjr: steamingpile: rastjr: Bush has killed way more americans than Chavez ever had or will.

Blah blah blah, yeah keep talking shiat, chavez has cost more jobs than the housing bubble barney frank helped create.

Saying chavez is somehow above bush in moral compasses is farking idiotic but then I expect nothing less from fark.


You haven't refuted my assertions so you have to name call.

I expect that from some people.


Yea, but come on, you are talking to a guy whos login best discribes the contents of his mouth, What the Fark do you expect?
 
2009-08-04 01:31:16 PM
Boobies!!!

i.livescience.com
 
2009-08-04 01:31:43 PM
Multi-Vitamin: Get with the times chavistas, Chavez has already claimed that Obama is an ignoramus and that he was behind recent plots to get rid of him.

Hey, now remember not all of us are "Chavistas" most of us are just Anti Bush. Kind of like how the Right are now supporting any jibbering asshat they can find.... Not since they belive them, but because they are Anti Obama.
 
2009-08-04 01:42:00 PM
Venezuela isn't even in the top 10 coffee producing nations.

From: Good to the last drop (new window)

Top Ten Coffee-Producing Countries
(based on the number of 132-pound [60-kilogram] bags produced during the 1997-98 crop year, according to the U.S. National Coffee Association)
Brazil (22.5 million bags)

After arriving from French Guiana in the early 18th century, coffee quickly spread and thrived in Brazil. Today Brazil is responsible for about a third of all coffee production, making it by far the heavyweight champion of the coffee-producing world. Though many connoisseurs believe that Brazil's emphasis on quantity takes a toll on quality, many also praise the country's finer varieties. Brazil is the only high-volume producer subject to frost. The devastating 1975 frost, in particular, was a boon to other coffee-growing countries. Two 1994 frosts raised prices worldwide. Notable Beans: Bahia, Bourbon Santos


Colombia (10.5 million bags)

Colombia is the only South American country with both Atlantic and Pacific ports-an invaluable aid to shipping. The crop's economic importance is such that all cars entering Colombia are sprayed for harmful bacteria. Colombia's coffee grows in the moist, temperate foothills of the Andes, where the combination of high altitude and moist climate makes for an especially mild cup. Notable Beans: Medellin, Supremo, Bogotá


Indonesia (6.7 million bags)

The Dutch unwittingly gave coffee a nickname in the late 17th century, when they began the first successful European coffee plantation on their island colony of Java (now part of Indonesia). Top-grade arabicas are still produced on Java as well as on Sumatra, Sulawesi, and Flores, but the Indonesian archipelago is most notable as the world's largest producer of robusta beans. Notable Beans: Java, Sumatra, Sulawesi (Celebes)
TOP

Vietnam (5.8 million bags)

French missionaries first brought coffee to Vietnam in the mid-1860s, but production remained negligible as late as 1980. In the 1990s, however, Vietnamese coffee production has been ratcheted up at a furious pace. At least one trader worries that the industry is growing too quickly for its own good. "The crop's growing so fast that there's not an equivalent growth in processing, so you're looking at quality problems," he said from Daklak, Vietnam's main coffee-growing region. Notable Beans: Vietnam specializes in robusta production.


Mexico (5 million bags)

Coffee came to Mexico from Antilles at the end of the 18th century, but was not exported in great quantities until the 1870s. Today approximately 100,000 small farms generate most Mexican coffee, and most of the beans come from the south. Mexico is the largest source of U.S. coffee imports. Notable Beans: Altura, Liquidambar MS, Pluma Coixtepec


Ethiopia (3.8 million bags)

The natural home of the arabica tree and the setting for most of coffee's origin legends, Ethiopia is Africa's top arabica exporter and leads the continent in domestic consumption. About 12 million Ethiopians make their living from coffee, whose name is said to be a derivation of "Kaffa," the name of an Ethiopian province. Notable Beans: Harrar, Sidamo, Yirgacheffe


India (3.8 million bags)

According to legend, India is the birthplace of coffee cultivation east of Arabia. Today coffee production is under the strict control of the Indian Coffee Board, which some say reduces economic incentive and thereby lowers quality. Notable Beans: Mysore, Monsooned Malabar


Guatemala (3.5 million bags)

German immigrants initiated serious coffee cultivation in Guatemala in the 19th century. Today the country's high-grown beans, particularly those grown on the southern volcanic slopes, are among the world's best. Notable Beans: Atitlan, Huehuetenango


Côte d'Ivoire (3.3 million bags)

In the mid-1990s Côte d'Ivoire was the number five coffee producer and second largest robusta producer. Why the decline? Some speculate that an emphasis on volume and a lack of investment and planning have lowered quality and per-acre productivity. Today most exports end up as mass-market coffee in Europe, especially France and Italy. Notable Bean: Côte d'Ivoire specializes in robusta production.


Uganda (3 million bags)

Though Uganda grows precious little arabica, it is a key producer of robusta. That humble, hardy bean accounts for 75 percent of the country's export revenue and provides employment for 80 percent of all rural workers. Efforts to diversify aside, Uganda is likely to remain beholden to the bean for the foreseeable future. Notable Bean: Bugisu


I'm not gonna get my coffee nerves in a bunch over Chavez and his antics.
 
2009-08-04 01:44:56 PM
Multi-Vitamin: You keep referencing the CIA, but do you have any references for that? . . . And before you post anything that links back to Eva Golinger, please note that she is directly paid by the Chavez government, so her impartiality is questionable.

If the indictment is that I'm leaning on some biased sources and speculation, well, the defense is. . . find me a single unbiased source in this mess.

Of course there's some guesswork and unreliable sources involved here. I don't think she's reputable, either -- huge conflict of interest and all. But there's a difference between saying I trust Golinger (I don't) and I find certain claims plausible. What reference are you looking for, a CIA press release that explains every detail of their plans? And how much evidence do you think the CIA will leave behind, anyway? They're awful at civil affairs but they're good at covering their tracks.

I'm not one to side with conspiracy theorists on every wacked out story from 9/11 being an inside job to the faked Moon landing, but honestly a theory that a rich country hungry for a specific resource wants to subvert a poor country with lots of said resource is getting CT treatment? Historians will tell you this old game's been played for centuries.

Can I prove we're medding? Of course not. But what's so far-fetched about it, and is there any side worth defending in this mess?

Multi-Vitamin: I have found references regarding the fact that the CIA knew about a possible coup but specifically did NOT support it

Look, I love objective investigative analysis as much as you do, but you'll have a hard time finding any direct evidence the CIA "supports" anything. They're a spy network, not a farkin' think tank.

FWIW, I concede I reached on using the word "coup". For starters, there was a coup attempt but it didn't go anywhere (if the CIA backed it, it probably would've been uglier). The allegation I heard is that the CIA launders money into political opposition during elections, and I find that entirely plausible -- hell, funneling money into elections happens within our borders all the time.

ChiliBoots: If there's a better way of bleeding the country dry than having a guy that'll nationalize everything and force price controls, I can't think of it.

They don't want to bleed the country dry; they couldn't care less if the people starve. They want a government that is friendly to western interests, and in that sense an anti-Western tinpot dictator is the worst-case scenario.
 
2009-08-04 01:47:36 PM
This is how it's done!

Via Con Dios Venezuela!
Vive Chavez!
 
2009-08-04 02:00:28 PM
came for Airplane references....just one? c'mon Fark!
 
2009-08-04 02:00:34 PM
pag1107: that's son of a biatch. this means war.

+1, my friend, and welcome to my favorite's list.
 
2009-08-04 02:05:22 PM
I have posted these links before for people who really want to know what is happening in Venezuela today. Yes I live in Venezuela.
Chavez has systimatically destroyed this country. It will take years to recover if & when we get the chance to repair the damage.

Please read these blogs (in English) if you are interested.

Link (new window)

Link (new window)
 
2009-08-04 02:09:56 PM
Dr.Gonzo7719: Sorry, but I don't see much "Venezuelan" coffee for sale anyway.

Kona coffee, people! Buy American!


Kona is the most convincing demonstration of God's benevolence this world has yet produced.
 
2009-08-04 02:12:57 PM
cocksnot: "Seize this Honkus!"

/As hot as the day is long

You're nuts, man. N-V-T-S nuts!
 
2009-08-04 02:16:54 PM
Hey LeinadO, you in Caracas too?

Maybe we should throw a mini fark party or something
 
2009-08-04 02:17:09 PM
angry_scientist: Thanks trollmitter

After rtfa, they're auditing the companies to see if hoarding or other manipulative practices were going on disrupting the supply at the gov't set prices.

/long sentence is loooooooong


Wow. You believe that? You don't follow Venezuelan politics much, do you?
 
2009-08-04 02:17:30 PM
Chavez, the biggest and more succesful troll in history.

The real sad thing is that he's so loud and annoying that eventually people outside of Venezuela will get tired and ignore the entire situation, a bad scenario since he will start doing (even more) what ever the hell he wants and the international community will start to not give a damn.

I mean, he closed 34 radio stations just now and the story that gets greenlight is about coffee.
 
2009-08-04 02:22:30 PM
Mongo cut wood: rastjr: Bush has killed way more americans than Chavez ever had or will.



Obama's Nationalized EuthanasiaHealthcare will murder far more Americans than all wars combined.

Obama is getting a head start with killing Americans with July being the deadliest month ever with 43 US soldiers killed in Afghanistan.



Bush started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - try again.

Your other point about health care is just too ridiculous to reply to.
 
2009-08-04 02:25:39 PM
mantidor: Chavez, the biggest and more succesful troll in history.

The real sad thing is that he's so loud and annoying that eventually people outside of Venezuela will get tired and ignore the entire situation, a bad scenario since he will start doing (even more) what ever the hell he wants and the international community will start to not give a damn.

I mean, he closed 34 radio stations just now and the story that gets greenlight is about coffee.


I actually submitted that news yesterday with the headline "Hugo Chavez killed the radio star"

Wasn't greenlit though.
 
2009-08-04 02:25:58 PM
rastjr: Bush started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - try again.

Obama DID continue the Bush trajectory, however. He hasn't really lit the world on fire getting the US out.
 
2009-08-04 02:33:57 PM
maq0r: He just closed down 34 radio stations that had an editorial line that was against his revolution.

His supporters yesterday broke into the only tv station that has news against his regime, threw grenades and injured a reporter.

And I know this first hand because I live a few blocks away from said Tv Station.


But it is a democracy. Just because you might get arrested for running against Chavez and you might get killed for supporting the opposition...
 
2009-08-04 02:34:36 PM
fireclown: rastjr: Bush started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - try again.

Obama DID continue the Bush trajectory, however. He hasn't really lit the world on fire getting the US out.



That's true. If I had my way we would be out of there by now.

So in that way he is not doing what I would like him to do.

But the establishment gets to every politician.
 
2009-08-04 02:36:46 PM
hbomb1129: Ethiopia (3.8 million bags)

... Yirgacheffe


This. Damn fine bean. Damn fine.
 
2009-08-04 02:54:11 PM
dragonchild: Multi-Vitamin: You keep referencing the CIA, but do you have any references for that? . . . And before you post anything that links back to Eva Golinger, please note that she is directly paid by the Chavez government, so her impartiality is questionable.

If the indictment is that I'm leaning on some biased sources and speculation, well, the defense is. . . find me a single unbiased source in this mess.

Of course there's some guesswork and unreliable sources involved here. I don't think she's reputable, either -- huge conflict of interest and all. But there's a difference between saying I trust Golinger (I don't) and I find certain claims plausible. What reference are you looking for, a CIA press release that explains every detail of their plans? And how much evidence do you think the CIA will leave behind, anyway? They're awful at civil affairs but they're good at covering their tracks.

I'm not one to side with conspiracy theorists on every wacked out story from 9/11 being an inside job to the faked Moon landing, but honestly a theory that a rich country hungry for a specific resource wants to subvert a poor country with lots of said resource is getting CT treatment? Historians will tell you this old game's been played for centuries.

Can I prove we're medding? Of course not. But what's so far-fetched about it, and is there any side worth defending in this mess?

Multi-Vitamin: I have found references regarding the fact that the CIA knew about a possible coup but specifically did NOT support it

Look, I love objective investigative analysis as much as you do, but you'll have a hard time finding any direct evidence the CIA "supports" anything. They're a spy network, not a farkin' think tank.

FWIW, I concede I reached on using the word "coup". For starters, there was a coup attempt but it didn't go anywhere (if the CIA backed it, it probably would've been uglier). The allegation I heard is that the CIA launders money into political opposition during elections, and I find that entirely plausible -- hell, funneling money into elections happens within our borders all the time.

ChiliBoots: If there's a better way of bleeding the country dry than having a guy that'll nationalize everything and force price controls, I can't think of it.

They don't want to bleed the country dry; they couldn't care less if the people starve. They want a government that is friendly to western interests, and in that sense an anti-Western tinpot dictator is the worst-case scenario.


So in essence, there is no proof that the CIA was behind or is behind the opposition in Venezuela right? I find it laughable that anyone can think that the CIA is behind the opposition when the opposition is so divided and disjointed, not to mention completely outspent in every aspect due to Chavez using state funds to finance his electoral campaigns (illegally). If the CIA is behind the opposition, they are doing a horrible job of things.

Secondly, the problem with your summation is that Chavez is not "anti-Western", he is not even a socialist as he claims to be (he attacks labor movements for instance). He is an authoritarian-quasi dictator whose regime is much more like the mafia than any socialist type entity.

His regime turns a blind eye to any corruption that occurs as long as you are chavista. (google maletagate for instance)

He uses the excuse of "revolution" or fighting against the "oligarchs" to consolidate his power further, when in reality, any semblance of oligarchy has already left Venezuela, and the people with the money and power are the power brokers within Chavez' PSUV and PDVSA. He has had ten years, and has done very little in concrete terms of improvement, but created a new oligarchy.

If he was anti-western he would stop selling oil to the US (who is his biggest buyer), but he does not. If he was anti-western, then he would restrict imports from the US, but imports from the US are at record highs.

As long as he keeps selling oil to the US, he is not a "threat", and he will keep selling, because the US is where he gets the biggest bang for his barrel.

I just find it sad that people still try to excuse his behavior. The folks who used to defend Chavez here on fark have just stopped with the exception of clinging to "but he was elected!". Like I have said in many past threads, he is not going anywhere, he controls the media, the military, the oil, the NA, the SC, and the voting process...he is not going anywhere.

Convenient for those to are students of history and wish to see yet another example of "leftist" strongmen and their ability to fark up things, even while floating on a sea of oil.
 
2009-08-04 02:59:22 PM
Somone please explain to me why the u.s. has not invaded yet?

This guy seem to be spoiling for a fight.
 
2009-08-04 03:00:41 PM
Multi-Vitamin: dragonchild: Multi-Vitamin: You keep referencing the CIA, but do you have any references for that? . . . And before you post anything that links back to Eva Golinger, please note that she is directly paid by the Chavez government, so her impartiality is questionable.

If the indictment is that I'm leaning on some biased sources and speculation, well, the defense is. . . find me a single unbiased source in this mess.

Of course there's some guesswork and unreliable sources involved here. I don't think she's reputable, either -- huge conflict of interest and all. But there's a difference between saying I trust Golinger (I don't) and I find certain claims plausible. What reference are you looking for, a CIA press release that explains every detail of their plans? And how much evidence do you think the CIA will leave behind, anyway? They're awful at civil affairs but they're good at covering their tracks.

I'm not one to side with conspiracy theorists on every wacked out story from 9/11 being an inside job to the faked Moon landing, but honestly a theory that a rich country hungry for a specific resource wants to subvert a poor country with lots of said resource is getting CT treatment? Historians will tell you this old game's been played for centuries.

Can I prove we're medding? Of course not. But what's so far-fetched about it, and is there any side worth defending in this mess?

Multi-Vitamin: I have found references regarding the fact that the CIA knew about a possible coup but specifically did NOT support it

Look, I love objective investigative analysis as much as you do, but you'll have a hard time finding any direct evidence the CIA "supports" anything. They're a spy network, not a farkin' think tank.

FWIW, I concede I reached on using the word "coup". For starters, there was a coup attempt but it didn't go anywhere (if the CIA backed it, it probably would've been uglier). The allegation I heard is that the CIA launders money into political opposition during elections, and I find that entirely plausible -- hell, funneling money into elections happens within our borders all the time.

ChiliBoots: If there's a better way of bleeding the country dry than having a guy that'll nationalize everything and force price controls, I can't think of it.

They don't want to bleed the country dry; they couldn't care less if the people starve. They want a government that is friendly to western interests, and in that sense an anti-Western tinpot dictator is the worst-case scenario.

So in essence, there is no proof that the CIA was behind or is behind the opposition in Venezuela right? I find it laughable that anyone can think that the CIA is behind the opposition when the opposition is so divided and disjointed, not to mention completely outspent in every aspect due to Chavez using state funds to finance his electoral campaigns (illegally). If the CIA is behind the opposition, they are doing a horrible job of things.

Secondly, the problem with your summation is that Chavez is not "anti-Western", he is not even a socialist as he claims to be (he attacks labor movements for instance). He is an authoritarian-quasi dictator whose regime is much more like the mafia than any socialist type entity.

His regime turns a blind eye to any corruption that occurs as long as you are chavista. (google maletagate for instance)

He uses the excuse of "revolution" or fighting against the "oligarchs" to consolidate his power further, when in reality, any semblance of oligarchy has already left Venezuela, and the people with the money and power are the power brokers within Chavez' PSUV and PDVSA. He has had ten years, and has done very little in concrete terms of improvement, but created a new oligarchy.

If he was anti-western he would stop selling oil to the US (who is his biggest buyer), but he does not. If he was anti-western, then he would restrict imports from the US, but imports from the US are at record highs.

As long as he keeps selling oil to the US, he is not a "threat", and he will keep selling, because the ...




He is not a threat to the U.S.

I don't support him, he is a clown. But it is none of our business.
 
2009-08-04 03:06:30 PM
maq0r: Hey LeinadO, you in Caracas too?

Maybe we should throw a mini fark party or something


maq0r

I'm actually in Nueva Esparta so it's a bit of a leap for a Fark party. Rest assured that we here in the Isla keep up both the Fark & Venezuelan tradition on weekends :-)
 
2009-08-04 03:16:37 PM
Multi-Vitamin: If the CIA is behind the opposition, they are doing a horrible job of things.

I never said the CIA was doing a good job; I only find it entirely believeable that they're trying. They also had no idea India had a nuke until they literally blew one up, apparently. Heck, isn't it the right who think government sucks at everything? (OK, I'm trolling there)

Multi-Vitamin: If he was anti-western he would stop selling oil to the US (who is his biggest buyer), but he does not. If he was anti-western, then he would restrict imports from the US, but imports from the US are at record highs.

If you're a crazy greedy wacko, nothing will stop you from doing business with your enemies. I see it all the time. Also, hypocrites can be found everywhere. Just like there are idiots here in the Midwest that froth about their jerbs going to China while shopping at Wal-mart for Chinese crap, Chavez can rant against the U.S. for all I care but if he isolated the country he would get overthrown. He can hate the U.S. but he has no farkin' choice but to do business with us.

Multi-Vitamin: As long as he keeps selling oil to the US, he is not a "threat", and he will keep selling, because the US is where he gets the biggest bang for his barrel.

Of course! This is why I wonder why people think he's a big deal at all. He's plenty corrupt but so are many other leaders, yet the hate on him from U.S. media was unusually strong long before he started taking over everything. The only reason that makes sense is because Chavez actually sells oil to Americans and spreads a little of the wealth around (that's precisely why he's called a socialist, which is apt, tho I note Alaska does the same thing), as opposed to the Nigerian government which is happy to shoot their own people for kickbacks. Big Oil would prefer to see all countries be like Nigeria, and they're miffed that Iraq and Venezuela aren't cooperating.

Multi-Vitamin: I just find it sad that people still try to excuse his behavior.

Well, I'm not. In case you haven't noticed, I'm calling him a paranoid tinpot dictator. Not exactly flattering words.

The thing is, Americans have no business getting their panties in a bunch over him. Yes, Venezuela's farked up, and Chavez farked it up. So are many, many other countries. But these days, the one thing countries hate more than a corrupt leader is corrupt American meddling, yet the only reason why I see us so absurdly preoccupied with Iraq and Venezuela instead of North Korea or Sudan is because of what's under the ground the people are standing on. Paranoia is paranoia, but they have every reason to doubt our intentions.
 
2009-08-04 03:27:30 PM
Hot water filtered through burnt beans... meh
 
2009-08-04 03:33:32 PM
Since I have my coffee delivered directly from Jamaica every month, I'm really getting a kick out of this.

/Jamaican Blue Mountain FTW
 
2009-08-04 03:33:33 PM
Best coffee comes from Jamaica (Blue Mountain) and Ethiopia... and if you're not willing to drink the good stuff... meh...
 
2009-08-04 04:20:28 PM
Jamaican Blue Mountain, yum yum. Small, light brown beans make a really nice, light but flavorful smooth brew. Had the pleasure of getting a few bags straight from the plantation couple years ago.

Indonesian blend, javas and sumatras, yum yum. Black as night, thick as ink, smokey yet sweet, and deeply satisfying.

If you're going to grow your own indoors, its ridiculously easy and is a very attractive plant-- just keep it moist and most importantly, SHADED. I put a couple of my 3 year old plants outside one sunny day thinking the long winter indoors had stifled them and the leaves were severely burned after just a couple hours exposure. They still haven't fully recovered almost 6 months later :(
 
2009-08-04 05:07:23 PM
isn't this how we handle that type situation?
farm1.static.flickr.com
/hotter than coffee
 
2009-08-04 05:15:18 PM
dragonchild: Egads it would suck to be a business owner in Venezuela.

Not really... You DO get to be the president.
 
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