SparkyMcFarksalot: I don't understant what the left hates so much about her - she's just an uppity white woman. The leader of the left is an uppity half-breed, so only it seems fair that the right has someone similar.

She is an idiot and the right loves her. I have a better question. Why does the right hate Nancy Pelosi?

Sabyen91: Palin had 15 accusations against her. After the first one was successful she appointed her own ethics board to investigate herself. They found her innocent of all charges. Surprise, surprise.

Bullshiat.

She has had 18 "ethics" complaints against her. Every twirp with an axe to grind, including one filed under a fake name, no wonder most of them have been dismissed.

Link (new window)

Sabyen91: amanogowa: Sabyen91: OgreMagi: Palin Derangement Syndrome is so fun to watch.

Seriously? You are claiming there is no valid reason to think she sucks? I think you watched Nailin' Paylin' too many times.

Well, there is no valid reason to *defend* her.... I think that is what Palin Derangement Syndrome actually means..

Amazing they still like her so much. I should back off because I would love to see her be the Republican candidate in '12.

I'll donate money to that train wreck. If the Repubs can recover enough to try that in time, that is. I would *love* to be part of the end of the republican party.

Bathia_Mapes: You Can't Fix Stupid: Bathia_Mapes: I guess Mr Thomas Van Flein has never heard of Freedom of Speech.

Ahem. A number of specific types of communication are not protected by the First Amendment, including:

1. Counterfeiting.
2. Libel.
3. Slander.
4. Incitement to riot.

As someone else already pointed out, though, it's very, very difficult for a public figure to win a defamation/slander suit. But it's not impossible.

Neither 1 nor 4 apply in this case & I think 2 & 3 aren't really applicable either. I've seen no real evidence that the blogger intended to slander or be libelous in her posting. It was more like passing on gossip.

Then you're a farking idiot that needs to maybe stop being such a politically myopic wonk. Read some of the other articles by this hack author. All of them are antagonistic, all of them clearly show hostile intent toward her. That alone constitutes malice. Unless he can produce his source for this article and can prove that it was credible I'm thinking this "gossip columnist" is going to lose.

You people can claim "it's gonna be next to impossible to prove" but clearly you've not read some of his other articles or are deliberately avoiding admitting his clear hostility toward her that goes beyond simple reporting. Freedom of speech is not absolute. You cannot simply say whatever pops into your head without consequence. You are entitled to freedom of speech up to the point your speech incites others to violence, or until you are spreading lies about others with clear intent to do them harm or while knowing the lies to be lies.

Libel, slander, and violent speech, these are NOT protected speech.

Skip Intro: Sabyen91: Is said blogger making money off of the claim? That is key to "proving" malice.

SCOTUS in New York Times v. Sullivan begs to differ.

Um, what? That is one portion of malice according to law. Another is that it hurts the target.

Skip Intro: Sabyen91: Is said blogger making money off of the claim? That is key to "proving" malice.

SCOTUS in New York Times v. Sullivan begs to differ.

The court did not even mention the monetary gain part. It doesn't beg to differ.

OgreMagi: The one thing they found to be just a little bit incorrect was her asking the people of Alaska to voluntarily help her pay the expenses of fighting off these false accusations.

Actually, I found it wrong she used the state's money to pay for her kids to travel to New York and stay in a luxury hotel. She reimbursed the state, but she still had the state pay for the travel, claiming "official state business," and only paid it back when it was looking like the suit filed was going to stick.

I also found it wrong she stayed in her own home and collected several thousands of dollars of per diem because of a loophole in the regulations on how it's paid. If you are living away from your "assigned duty location," you are eligible to recieve per diem payments. She stayed at home, her "assigned duty location" was Juneau. So, she claimed the per diem. While it's not illegal, it's unethical as hell, and flies in the face of her "fiscal conservatism" schtick.

thrgd456: The reason Palin is so unpopular is because she hasn't got any really big behind the scenes backers. So the media can hack her up as much as they want with no fear of reprisal from any power brokers behind the scenes.

All the media does is reports what she says and what she does. If that makes her unpopular then maybe she should stop saying and doing stupid stuff. The media can't do that for her. BTW; get help.

JQPublic: Sabyen91: Palin had 15 accusations against her. After the first one was successful she appointed her own ethics board to investigate herself. They found her innocent of all charges. Surprise, surprise.

Bullshiat.

She has had 18 "ethics" complaints against her. Every twirp with an axe to grind, including one filed under a fake name, no wonder most of them have been dismissed.

Link (new window)

What about the one where she was busted and then she decided she wanted her own goons to investigate her? I am sorry but she is dirty and proved it with her disgusting tactics. She is a dirty, dirty whore.

Link (new window)

Shatner's Bassoon: thrgd456: The reason Palin is so unpopular is because she hasn't got any really big behind the scenes backers. So the media can hack her up as much as they want with no fear of reprisal from any power brokers behind the scenes.

All the media does is reports what she says and what she does. If that makes her unpopular then maybe she should stop saying and doing stupid stuff. The media can't do that for her. BTW; get help.

She didn't have "really big behind the scenes backers" but somehow this twit was running for VP.

OgreMagi: Lenny_da_Hog: OgreMagi: Palin Derangement Syndrome is so fun to watch.

As are the delusions of competence.

These many months later, and you're still in the denial phase, unwilling to accept you were duped by a beer commercial of a candidate. Just wait till you hit the anger phase....

You seem to think I like Palin. I don't. I just find it hilarious how much the left gets bent out of shape over every little thing she does.

You people are like star trek nerds at a convention. Get a life!

Heh, says the guy that is in every Palin thread defending everything she says.

/She isn't going to fark you, no matter how hard you defend her.

updated 6:00 p.m. EDT, Wed September 17, 2008
Palin staff won't testify in trooper probe, AG says
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/17/palin.investigation/index.html (pops)
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Aides to Gov. Sarah Palin won't comply with subpoenas issued by state lawmakers investigating the firing of Alaska's former public safety commissioner because Palin "has declined to participate" in the probe, her attorney general says.

// Any arrests for "Contempt of Court"? Nope? Then it is perfectly legal to ignore a summons in the State of Alaska apparently.



Todd Palin ignores call to testify
MEETS TODAY: Failure to obey subpoena could bring charges.
By WESLEY LOY
Published: September 19th, 2008 04:10 AM
Last Modified: September 19th, 2008 09:42 AM
http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/530885.html (pops)
Todd Palin, the husband of vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin, will not heed a subpoena to appear before an Alaska legislative committee this morning to testify about his role in Troopergate.

That was the word Thursday from Ed O'Callaghan, a former New York federal prosecutor now working locally for the McCain-Palin campaign.

At a packed press conference at the Republican campaign office on Northern Lights Boulevard, O'Callaghan said Todd Palin submitted "objections" to the subpoena to Steve Branchflower, a retired local prosecutor whom the Legislature hired to investigate whether the governor abused her powers in firing her former public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan.

// What? Again, no punishments for "Contempt of Court", no immediate arrest of Todd Palin? In fact, zero reaction by the court at all. Then it is perfectly legal to ignore a summons in the State of Alaska apparently.


Updated 10:59 p.m. EST, Fri February 6, 2009
Sarah Palin's husband, aides found in contempt
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/06/palin.contempt/index.html (pops)
(CNN) -- Todd Palin and nine aides were found in contempt Friday by the Alaska Senate for failing to appear to testify in the Legislature's "troopergate" investigation of his wife, Gov. Sarah Palin, a spokeswoman for the Alaska Democratic Party said.
Todd Palin, shown campaigning in Virginia in 2008, didn't testify, but submitted a statement in the case.

But a Senate resolution said no one should be punished, because the 10 did submit statements to the investigator, the Anchorage Daily News reported.

The governor's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

// Again, zero punishments, zero arrests, and zero testimony. Then it is perfectly legal to ignore a summons in the State of Alaska apparently.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/06/AR200902060358 9. html (pops)
Palin's Husband, 9 Others in Contempt
Saturday, February 7, 2009; Page A07

JUNEAU, Alaska, Feb. 6 -- The Alaska Senate on Friday found Gov. Sarah Palin's husband and nine state employees, including some of her top aides, in contempt for ignoring subpoenas to testify in a legislative investigation.

// Again, zero punishments, zero arrests, and zero testimony. Then it is perfectly legal to ignore a summons in the State of Alaska apparently.

// I see zero legal basis for Palin even to attempt to file any sort of lawsuit given that her "unarrestable" status (like many MAFIA bosses).

Gridlock: Sarah Palin ILLEGALLY got away with ignoring summons.
Todd Palin ILLEGALLY got away with ignoring summons.

To be fair what they ignored wasn't a court summons, it was a summons to appear in front of the legislature.

blinkybluegnome: ILstywnch:

FTFY

chapman: Honorific might be the wrong term. Being a politician is like being a lifelong felon with the lack of probability for rehabilitation.

Excellent point.

Gridlock: // Any arrests for "Contempt of Court"? Nope? Then it is perfectly legal to ignore a summons in the State of Alaska apparently.

It wasn't a court summons.

JerkyMeat: The media hates her because she is a threat and they will never stop.

A threat to what?

Rationalism. Secularism. The economy. The environment. Scientific advancement. Technological advancement. Gay rights. Global stability.

/assuming she doesn't stay away from politics, of course

Ed Grubermann: Oh, please! Rules and ethics only apply to the little people. Not to Republican fertility goddesses.

Can I be the next one? I have a penis and EVERYTHING!

OgreMagi: Ed Grubermann: lstywnch: While it's not illegal, it's unethical as hell, and flies in the face of her "fiscal conservatism" schtick.

Oh, please! Rules and ethics only apply to the little people. Not to Republican fertility goddesses.

Ethics rules don't apply to Democratic senators from New England, either.

Weren't we talking about ethics rules Palin broke?

OgreMagi: Ethics rules don't apply to Democratic senators from New England, either.

But who's trying to defend Chris Dodd?

How long before the Democrat Party henchmen realize that Alaska has a new governor, Sean Parnell (R) and goes after him?

This letter sounds like it was written by Sarah, rather than her attorney. Most legal notices I have read are very emotionless and rigid, and at least mention the laws being violated. We do it different down here in civilization.

Let me help you out Mr. Inbred $8/hour lawyer:

The Palins are not about to get a divorce.

The Palins have made no plans to divorce, and any allegations are unsubstantiated by evidence.

You go out of way to state these as facts

You incorrectly state these allegations as fact in the following instances:

you certainly are on notice as of 1pm

As of 1PM PST, you are placed on notice

In the event you refuse to do so, please give me the contact information for your attorney.....

Your refusal to comply may result in legal action, and you will be served with summons to appear in ______ court.


Was that so hard? Seriously this is the shiattiest letter I've ever seen an attorney produce. It sounds like something some white trash moron would copy and paste together from the internet to give to her neighbors for parking in front of their trailer. I guess it's good enough for his hillbilly clients (most of whom are probably bears).

That being said, It's worthless trash anyway, they're just trying to scare this person into retracting without any legal basis whatsoever.


/ Why yes, I am a Fark Attorney®
// The distinguished Mr. Unixfreak Esquire

Ed Grubermann: There are no Alaskans on Fark. You know that! It's not like I can see the Capital Building from my front door or anything like that.

Heh, or the playground by the legislative office building, or the new day care pavilion for legislators.

JQPublic: How long before the Democrat Party henchmen realize that Alaska has a new governor, Sean Parnell (R) and goes after him?

Parnell isn't the frontrunner for the Republican Party for Pres in 2012.

OgreMagi: spamdog: OgreMagi: Ethics rules don't apply to Democratic senators from New England, either.

But who's trying to defend Chris Dodd?

No one needs to defend his outrageous behavior because no one is bothering to go after him. So why hasn't the senate done anything? They are supposed to. Could it be because he's a member of the majority party so they have the power to completely ignore his illegal behavior?

Dodd SHOULD be getting as much attention, if not more, than Palin. He's still if office. She is not. She is a non-issue. He is unfit for office. Is your outrage reserved only for people of the opposing party?

Get a greenlight on Dodd. We will talk about it. Dems will not defend his corrupt ass for the most part. You guys defended farking Tom DeLay. You would defend a cancerous tumor if it had an (R).

Mr. Cabron: elchip: Lionel Mandrake: Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

I have no words. Funniest thing I've seen all week.

yep

/week is young
//Palin is Palin

Sabyen91: JQPublic: How long before the Democrat Party henchmen realize that Alaska has a new governor, Sean Parnell (R) and goes after him?

Parnell isn't the frontrunner for the Republican Party for Pres in 2012.

Neither is Palin. It is Romney. Link (new window)

amanogowa: chapman: lstywnch: It could be honorific in the same way some people still call former presidents "President."

Honorific might be the wrong term. Being a politician is like being a lifelong felon with the lack of probability for rehabilitation.

Honorific *is* the wrong term. Quitter is more applicable.

"It would be quitter in the same way some people still call former presidents "President."?

Are you sure your remark came out as witty as it was in your head?

JQPublic: How long before the Democrat Party henchmen realize that Alaska has a new governor, Sean Parnell (R) and goes after him?

This assumption is categorically wrong. NO ONE in the legislature liked her, not the Rs, not the Ds, not the Is. It wasn't some vast left wing conspiracy. She pissed people off left, right and center.

Parnell doesn't take policy disagreements personally or refuse to engage in meetings in favor of dinking around on his blackberry. He doesn't accuse the legislature of asking "gotcha questions" when they ask him what direction he'd like to see the state taking. He at least he knows the difference between a capital budget and an operating budget.

It is amusing though that Frank Murkowski was probably the least popular governor in Alaska's history and didn't have as many ethics complaints filed against him as Palin did. She sold him up the river to get the nomination, then quit half way into her term.

OgreMagi: Is your outrage reserved only for people of the opposing party?

Who said I was outraged over Palin?

And why can't the Republicans get Chris Dodd investigated? Could it be because they'd look like hypocrites if they did?

JQPublic: Sabyen91: JQPublic: How long before the Democrat Party henchmen realize that Alaska has a new governor, Sean Parnell (R) and goes after him?

Parnell isn't the frontrunner for the Republican Party for Pres in 2012.

Neither is Palin. It is Romney. Link (new window)

Well, you told me. She is 2nd and 5% behind Romney in your link. Let me go into the corner and lick my wounds.

Sabyen91: JQPublic: How long before the Democrat Party henchmen realize that Alaska has a new governor, Sean Parnell (R) and goes after him?

Parnell isn't the frontrunner for the Republican Party for Pres in 2012.

Odds are he is also not an incompetent twat-waffle with the common sense of a mud-skipper.

/Palin did to the GOP what Ace and Nicky did to the Vegas Mob.

Ed Grubermann: Funny that. All this week I've noticed a serious change around the Capital. People in the state buildings I work in all seem to be a lot happier. Everyone I know, Democrat, Republican, Independent, whatever, is taking a "well, let's see how he does" approach to Parnell. And Parnell has been working to undo the damaged relationship between the Governor's office and the city and people of Juneau that Sarah Palin inflicted on us with her complete lack of respect for the city and people of Juneau.

Well, we aren't "Real Alaskans." I'm just glad the stupid Killface posters aren't in all the offices anymore.

Lenny_da_Hog: I'll append that -- if they *do* go after Parnell for anything, it will be for hiding or failing to disclose records from investigations into the *Palin* administration.

You make a very astute observation there, however he would probably follow his advisors' advice and release those records.

/btw I think I might have an idea about the Latham case. He's doing life on the installment plan. Thinking he might be unhappy with the accomodations. There have been a few cases from inmates claiming AK prisons are unsafe and unhygienic. Then there was the guy that died of Tuberculosis in the contract prison in AZ on his daughter's fifth birthday.

Just hilarious that repubs really wanted her as a vp

muck4doo: brainiac-dumdum: False and defamatory!

Can Palin open her mouth w/out saying false and defamatory statements?

Apparently you Palin haters can't. The obsession you folks have with this woman and her family is unbelievable.

/Trig is Bristols baby!
//She quit! Big scandal will be revealed real soon!
///Her and Todd are getting a divorce!

No doubt about it. very petty people. This is fark though, so that's kind of what you're going to get. People with no lives frothing at the mouth-- probably have spittle all over their screens from shouting out loud in their angry little tirades over the lovely MILF, Sarah. Yeah, she's dumb as rocks, but it's not her fault McCain chose her. He's the farking idiot. And all it took was being unprepared for a stupid question about newspapers from some TV bimbo. Who rerally gets their news from newspapers? I'm sure she didn't, but instinctively she responded "ohh, you know, all of them" with the clear implication that she reads the important ones. But whatever. I guess it's really important to liberals what newspaper someone reads. Like newspapers are GOD or something. So you should have a complete list of every influental paper you have ever read or read on a regular basis. You should be able to recite this list at a moments notice.

Is sarah dumb? Yes.
Are liberals petty morans for continuing to bash sarah and mock her for doing what she can to stop people from spreading rumors and falsehoods about her? Hell yeah. Don't you assholes have better things to worry about? Like your dipshiat reps not even reading the farking bills they vote on?

Lenny_da_Hog: Sabyen91: JQPublic: How long before the Democrat Party henchmen realize that Alaska has a new governor, Sean Parnell (R) and goes after him?

Parnell isn't the frontrunner for the Republican Party for Pres in 2012.

That's silly, anyway. All the charges were filed for local reasons, by long-time local activists. Their actions had little to do with her national spotlight -- it was state citizens taking action on state issues.

It must have been expensive for her to pick her own investigators. At least for taxpayers. I can't see how Republicans could support that.