We should welcome the CCTV overloards! They exist for your protection!

I think we're missing the most striking revelation to come out of the original article:



This man is the UK "Children's Secretary", and his name is Ed Balls.

CCTV camera in my house? Fine, but don't come complaining to me when all you see is my white Irish ass.

Masterdog: Calm down people, the Express has got the CCTV part of this from absolutely nowhere. No other news outlet covering the story has mentioned CCTV, and a Google for "sin bins" "CCTV" reveals only articles sourcing the Express. Don't believe everything you read etc etc.

Even if the story is true, I think of what the American solution to the 20,000 "worst" families would be. Probably Child Protective Services (CPS) would come in, take all the children away, and place them in foster homes.

Given the option of keeping their kids and submitting to constant observation, most parents would agree to be watched.

mmagdalene: Gen. Apathy: As a former member of the Junior Anti-Sex League, I am really getting a kick out of these replies...

Get you out of that red ribbon, though and it's a whole different story.

Thought Criminal! Off to the Ministry of Love with you!

Burn98: Masterdog: Calm down people, the Express has got the CCTV part of this from absolutely nowhere. No other news outlet covering the story has mentioned CCTV, and a Google for "sin bins" "CCTV" reveals only articles sourcing the Express. Don't believe everything you read etc etc.

Even if the story is true, I think of what the American solution to the 20,000 "worst" families would be. Probably Child Protective Services (CPS) would come in, take all the children away, and place them in foster homes.

Given the option of keeping their kids and submitting to constant observation, most parents would agree to be watched.

Then they forget about the camera after three days, do something stupid to endanger the children, and get them taken away anything. Why go to the expense of installing the cameras?

Superjew: Seriously, if you people think we're not going to have to start choosing who lives and who dies pretty soon, you're just fooling yourself. Might as well get a rational program underway now before it's too late.

What makes you think that decision will have to be made?

I love this thread. I'm reading 1984 for the first time.

pxlboy: This is not my troll account: Superjew: Seriously, if you people think we're not going to have to start choosing who lives and who dies pretty soon, you're just fooling yourself. Might as well get a rational program underway now before it's too late.

What makes you think that decision will have to be made?

really?

Ya really. I'm curious to know why so many people think we are in a lifeboat situation.

FrancoFile: Then they forget about the camera after three days, do something stupid to endanger the children, and get them taken away anything. Why go to the expense of installing the cameras?

You are assuming the worse. There are good reasons for the cameras

1) It gives the parents a second (more likely fourth or fifth) chance to keep their kids. This would be a big hit with parents, and the "sanctity of the American family" crowd.

2) Knowing you are watched can have an affect on your behavior. (I would predict a lot less nose picking) Certainly it will be difficult for the kids to skip school.

3) Should the abuse of children continue, the state now has first rate evidence.

4) Mandatory counseling is often required when things get to this stage. Observations of home life would be a valuable tool for the counselor.

So, can we finally accept that the left are the ones Orwell tried to warn us about? It seems really obvious now.

This is not my troll account: Ya really. I'm curious to know why so many people think we are in a lifeboat situation.

Lifeboat no. But people make decisions about who will live and who will die all the time.

EMS people a crash site often need to decide who to pry out of the wreck first.

As an example closer to home; A friend of mine recently made the decision to "pull the plug" on his father.

Currently, some people who oppose health care reform are "positioning the waters" by claiming that the government will soon be making these decisions.

Laugh all you want. This is the left's future in America too.

Pandar: So, can we finally accept that the left are the ones Orwell tried to warn us about? It seems really obvious now.

If it is obvious to you then you are biased, uneducated, or a fool.

Tyranny exists on both the left and the right.

I totally love meow said the dog.

Sounds like quite the brillant chap.

I was only obeying orders ... or how Schools Secretary 'Eddie' Balls dressed as a German officer

Burn98: Pandar: So, can we finally accept that the left are the ones Orwell tried to warn us about? It seems really obvious now.

If it is obvious to you then you are biased, uneducated, or a fool.

Tyranny exists on both the left and the right.

Orwell warned us about the left in 1984 and Animal Farm. He warned us about the right in The Road to Wigan Pier and his early essays.

AgentBoca: I love this thread. I'm reading 1984 for the first time.

You must not be an Amazon customer!

/Zing!

dmnstr8: I totally love meow said the dog.

Best troll ever, except for maybe Sunny Ray. Hell, maybe it's the same person.

Well it's alright! They live in council houses!
And once that shows some modicum of success they expand that
successful program to any house that has shown a domestic
disturbance or noise complaint or whatever charge shows up on the
laundry list of applicable charges.

Move along citizen

/enjoying the long-term thinking over here, too.

Holy shiat.

The state should just bite the bullet, pull these kids out and make them wards of the state living in children's estates that can raise them properly.

I would hope that SOMEPLACE at the bottom of the barrel of child welfare agencies, this is the idea; Take the children away from the worst parents and give the kids a fighting chance. Oh, and still hit the parents up for child support.

1000Monkeys: As appalling as this sounds, I can't find any reference to CCTV cameras in any other source on this, not even the Daily Wail. So I'm not sure what to make of the story right now.

I can tell you exactly what to make of it. Right wing scaremongering and bullshiat is all. And the Subtard is complicit because they link to the Slashdot summary and not to the source of this rubbish. Why? Because the source is "The Daily Express". Known for being 2nd only to its sister paper "The Daily Mail" for publishing utter hogwash.

Pandar: So, can we finally accept that the left are the ones Orwell tried to warn us about? It seems really obvious now.

Nice try, but totalitarianism is the extreme of both the left *and* the right.

How come the comments in "Nanny State" threads become less serious and less damning as the more "Nannyish" the state had supposedly become?

There was more condemnation when a council swimming pool rearranged its lanes or a store asked for ID from someone buying a piece of cutlery.

From the linked article...

Sin bin projects operate in half of council areas already but Mr Balls wants every local authority to fund them.

/Mr. Balls

NickPappagiorgio: I think we're missing the most striking revelation to come out of the original article:



This man is the UK "Children's Secretary", and his name is Ed Balls.

Ah well, this is just a reminder that the Brit government needs a good smack-down from time-to-time to be kept in line.

In this case a swift kick in the Balls should do it.

Burn98: This is not my troll account: Ya really. I'm curious to know why so many people think we are in a lifeboat situation.

Lifeboat no. But people make decisions about who will live and who will die all the time.

EMS people a crash site often need to decide who to pry out of the wreck first.

As an example closer to home; A friend of mine recently made the decision to "pull the plug" on his father.

Currently, some people who oppose health care reform are "positioning the waters" by claiming that the government will soon be making these decisions.

How does that relate to the idea that "we" (presumably, as a society) will have to decide which sets of people live or die?

This is not my troll account: How does that relate to the idea that "we" (presumably, as a society) will have to decide which sets of people live or die?

"We" won't.

fury211: Revolt. flat out. this is crazy shiat.

Yes. Every citizen grab their gun...oh. Sorry about that.

PhiloeBedoe: On the bright side, chocolate rations have been increased.

Increased from 20 grams to 15 grams, doncha know.

FrancoFile: Orwell warned us about the left in 1984 and Animal Farm. He warned us about the right in The Road to Wigan Pier and his early essays.

In 1984 we saw a world where:
1) The government kept it's citizens under constant scrutiny.
2) Manipulated the people using hate and fear of an enemy in an unending war to justify oppressive policies.
3) locked up Winston Smith without any due process of law. Simply by declaring him an enemy.
4) Tortured Winston Smith

In George Bush's administration we saw:
1) Warrant-less wire tapping
2) Manipulation of the people using hate and fear of Muslim extremists in the war on terror to justify the patriot act and other legislation.
3) locked up Jose Padilla without warrant, charges, counsel, trial or habeas Corpus by declaring him an "enemy combatant".
4) Tortured prisoners.

So explain to me again how 1984 was warning us about leftist government.

muck4doo: I'd rather pay to see you being fed to fire ants.

I'll bring the beer.

I've got pizza covered.

I'll bring the ants.

Good grief, don't give Obama any ideas...

If no other news source, including The Daily Mail isn't reporting it, the CCTV angle is made up. Are Americans the only people left in the world that actually believe what they read in the British gutter press? God help you.
Anyway, don't let that put a halt to the exciting, fresh and original 1984 references. It really does seem to highlight a third rate intellect, all this tedious Orwell bollocks. You never see any Aspidistra or Lion & Unicorn references. Could it be all of these keen scholars haven't even read his work? I'd also go out on a limb and suggest most Farkers would find Mr Blair about as palatable as Chomsky if he was writing today.

The Children's Secretary set out £400million plans to put 20,000 problem families under 24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes.

They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals.

Private security guards will also be sent round to carry out home checks, while parents will be given help to combat drug and alcohol addiction.

WOW! That is so 1989.

So our freedoms will all be lost in the name of "Think of the Children!".

/I blame Obama

They have nothing on Japanese public toilet bowl cams. I mean, do those women ever wipe?

The Nanny State should follow up on this important public health concern.

Subby, if you're going to link to an article, make it one that's longer than the headline.
Also:

/In home CCTV = Cat-Circuit television
//Link hot

PhiloeBedoe: On the bright side, chocolate rations have been increased.

Yeah, chocolate is always a plus. Now if I can just find some razorblades though.... anyone have any spare razorblades?