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(New York Daily News)   NYPD says man needs to register his flintlock, despite NYC law that says he doesn't have to register it   (nydailynews.com ) divider line
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2009-07-30 06:22:57 PM  
Bob16

Yeah you guys keep coming up with all kinds of things for me to read that aren't laws.

Did context run over your dog or something?
 
2009-07-30 06:23:00 PM  

rastjr: Even thought the law says it is not needed, I side with the cops.

It is a dangerous weapon and it should be registered.

He has a "right" to it but I have a right to my safety and peace of mind.


Because the guy with the antique replica that doesn't have powder or bullets is going to get you. Piss your lib panties while hiding under the bed again?
If something as benign as this makes you feel unsafe, in New York, just kill yourself, it's only going to get scarier. Life is just too much for some people.
 
2009-07-30 06:23:56 PM  
I've got a .32 percussion rifle with a double set trigger and a beautiful tiger maple stock that I need to take a picture of.

Until I get that done, I'll make do with a few of these:

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2009-07-30 06:23:58 PM  

dinch: Was scrolling down that pic and knew I'd see an M-1. Would love one of those. Have you been to the Buffalo Bill Cody Museum?


I am not big into museums, but I will always make and exception here. Best damn museum on the face of the planet. Everyone that loves antique guns, western art and the history of the west should make a point to travel to Cody at least once.
 
2009-07-30 06:24:34 PM  

Snarfangel: I thought a flintlock rifle was the one weapon everyone agreed was covered by the Second Amendment.


This!
 
2009-07-30 06:25:36 PM  
Thomas Jefferson would be spinning in his grave (that is, if it weren't filled with secret slave mistresses).

/From my cold dead hands.
 
2009-07-30 06:26:01 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: NYC is the safest metropolis in America. The cops are doing something right, and I'm saying this as someone who really dislikes cops.


Sure, with policies like giving homeless people plane tickets so that they'll go be homeless someplace else, it's not hard to see why.
 
2009-07-30 06:26:20 PM  
Got a 1929 LC Smith to keep the kids off the lawn with.

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2009-07-30 06:26:40 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Badfrog: That 1911 carbine just looks... Bizarre.

Yeah...it's different to say the least.

hardercase: $8000 to him, maybe, but $2500 or so on the market. Even with the octagonal barrel. Assuming that it's over a hundred years old...they made them at least through 1999.

1903


How do you like the Mech-Tech carbine? I've been thinking about getting one for a Glock 19 I have that's gathering dust. I've got a pile of 9mm (like 4 or 5,000 rounds) laying around, and it might be the think for some fun plinking.

What say you?
 
2009-07-30 06:27:01 PM  
images.dpchallenge.com

Take away my Potato Cannon?
FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!!
 
2009-07-30 06:27:02 PM  

rodeofrog: sounds like the prez needs to arrange another beer party.


That only happens if you're black.
 
2009-07-30 06:27:11 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: Gen. Apathy

...a Bersa .308...

Or a .380. Great gun for the price. My wife loves hers.

Or do they really make a .308, in which case I should humbly eat crow?


Oops, had a few of those drive thru beers... lol
I wish it was a hand held .308 BLAM!!
 
2009-07-30 06:27:49 PM  

The_Sponge: The Second Amendment is a law,


Are you really gonna try to claim that amendments to the constitution are not interpreted by the courts.
 
2009-07-30 06:28:28 PM  
Oznog: 160 ft-lbs of muzzle energy... greater than some .22LR rounds. With a bladed, high momentum projectile, it's got some amazing penetration.

Problem is, it was "innovative" in that it attaches to an AR15 lower receiver. According to federal law, the receiver of a firearm IS the firearm. So it's legally a firearm, unless you wanna fit it with a "fake receiver" that won't qualify.

Psycoholic_Slag:WANT!


It's the PSE TAC15... pricey, but well designed.

Now if we could just make it full auto...
 
2009-07-30 06:31:04 PM  

Bob16: The_Sponge: Do yourself a favor and read The Federalist Papers (specifically #29 and 46, IIRC). That will show you what the Founding Fathers intended for the Second Amendment.

Yeah you guys keep coming up with all kinds of things for me to read that aren't laws.
.


My money is on you haven't ever bothered to read any of them. Yet here you are.
 
2009-07-30 06:31:08 PM  

rastjr: dittybopper: rastjr: Weaver95: rastjr: Even thought the law says it is not needed, I side with the cops.

It is a dangerous weapon and it should be registered.

He has a "right" to it but I have a right to my safety and peace of mind.

so because you live in fear, you want to punish those of us who don't?


How is registering punishment?

$300+ in fees, plus having to hire a NYC lawyer to fill out the paperwork? In essence, doubling the cost of a *VERY* nice handgun from $800 or so to $1600 or more? That's not punishment?


It's the price of living in our society. Don't like it, change the laws.


You just reek with stupid, don't you.
He is breaking no law. No law needs to be changed.
It's a shame he isn't black, that way he could have a 40 with Barry for having his rights violated.
 
2009-07-30 06:31:20 PM  

skullkrusher: oooh a gun wingnut versus the jackbooted thugs of the NYPD.
Some heads are gonna be 'splodin.


In other news, a dude with a replica flintlock for a wall-hanger and no ball and powder for it is now considered a "Gun Wingnut".

You'd probably piss your pants if you can to my house.
 
2009-07-30 06:32:23 PM  

The_Sponge: Gen. Apathy: So glad I live in Ohio


I think you're the first person on Fark to say that.

/Not hating on Ohio, though.
//Born in Marion.
///But I was too young to remember any of it.



LOL! Yeah it does sound funny when I say it out loud. I like the mid-west though. Nice people. I guess everywhere is nice compared to NJ though.

/not hating on Jersey or NYC
//Best bread/pizza/bagels in the USA
///miss the food, not the people so much
 
2009-07-30 06:33:00 PM  
HeadLever
I am not big into museums, but I will always make and exception here. Best damn museum on the face of the planet. Everyone that loves antique guns, western art and the history of the west should make a point to travel to Cody at least once.

AND they just re-did their western gallery, which is very nice, AND it's right next to Yellowstone, which is very nice, AND Yellowstone is right above the Grand Tetons which everyone should see.
 
2009-07-30 06:33:52 PM  

rastjr: Excen: dittybopper: rastjr: Weaver95: rastjr: Even thought the law says it is not needed, I side with the cops.

It is a dangerous weapon and it should be registered.

He has a "right" to it but I have a right to my safety and peace of mind.

so because you live in fear, you want to punish those of us who don't?


How is registering punishment?

$300+ in fees, plus having to hire a NYC lawyer to fill out the paperwork? In essence, doubling the cost of a *VERY* nice handgun from $800 or so to $1600 or more? That's not punishment?

Plus, when the right to keep and bear arms is finally allowed to be infringed upon completely by the government, those doing the infringing have a convenient list of everybody with arms to be confiscated. THAT is why I have a problem with having to register any type of gun.

/Mortars and Recoilless Rifles included


That's kind of paranoid.


Considering it's already happened before in history. No, it isn't.
 
2009-07-30 06:34:14 PM  
We saw how well a disarmed populace worked in Iran earlier this year.

I hope this guy wins in court.
 
2009-07-30 06:35:01 PM  
Not to brag but I have an orignal rifle dated from the late 1400's. It is unrestored but "might" fire it is in such good condition.

I wonder if Obama will come take it from me.
 
2009-07-30 06:35:51 PM  

dittybopper: rastjr: Weaver95: rastjr: Even thought the law says it is not needed, I side with the cops.

It is a dangerous weapon and it should be registered.

He has a "right" to it but I have a right to my safety and peace of mind.

so because you live in fear, you want to punish those of us who don't?


How is registering punishment?

$300+ in fees, plus having to hire a NYC lawyer to fill out the paperwork? In essence, doubling the cost of a *VERY* nice handgun from $800 or so to $1600 or more? That's not punishment?


I myself would consider this to come under the "shall not be infringed" portion of the 2nd amendment. Some people cannot afford the extra money these clowns have imposed for gun ownership, thus my feeling that this is an infringement. Plus I bet they find any reason to deny permissible, say as in having speeding tickets (even if paid).
Someone in NYC has a stick up their arse and it's about time that stick was given a good twist.
 
2009-07-30 06:37:04 PM  

OhioKnight: I'm not either for or against gun stuff (don't care), but...

2nd amendment says "Congress shall make no law..." -- city government ordinances are not acts of Congress.



Please post the exact phrasing of the Second Amendment. Now point to the part where it says "Congress."

You're confusing the First and Second Amendments.
 
2009-07-30 06:37:05 PM  

PenguinTheRed: Paging dittybopper, would you please...

Oh, I see you're already well-engaged in this thread. Color me shocked ;)


Engaged? I *SUBMITTED* it.
 
2009-07-30 06:38:14 PM  

lordaction: Not to brag but I have an orignal rifle dated from the late 1400's. It is unrestored but "might" fire it is in such good condition.


Either that is a piece of significant historic significance, or you've got a musket. AFAIK, rifling wasn't invented until the 16th century.
 
2009-07-30 06:38:17 PM  

Snarfangel: I thought a flintlock rifle was the one weapon everyone agreed was covered by the Second Amendment.


You're thinking of muskets. Rifling is too dangerous for civilians to use.
 
2009-07-30 06:38:28 PM  
The biggest irritants about gun laws is

1: How many are not enforced, leading to even more laws.
2: The people who are actually exempt from those gun laws.

Every state has exemptions on gun laws. Even in the most strict locations like NYC an CA, if you know the right people, you are allowed to carry a firearm. You just have to know the right judge or administrator.

When I was a volunteer, I was amazed at anti-gun politicians who had special permission to carry firearms. Of course they needed to carry it for their safety and because of their high profile status.

The truth is that almost everyone thinks that guns should be legal for some group, however small. My point has always been why that group and not everyone else?

Why does a judge who lives in a gated community deserve to carry a firearm, but a female in a shiatty government housing block not deserving?

If it's a matter of training, fine. Give that access to training and move on. Why does every single police, whether or not they need it, get to carry a firearm? They are at less danger than a pizza delivery driver.

It is clear that guns will always be with us as long as criminals have them. So the question isn't who doesn't get to have them, but who does, and why is that right not extended?
 
2009-07-30 06:40:12 PM  

dittybopper: JosephFinn: The Constitution also says he has to join a militia.

No it doesn't:

Held:
1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.


Jesus Christ people is it hard to make links pop?
 
2009-07-30 06:42:33 PM  
New York .... Check
Ancient Firearm .... Check

Is it this guy?

www.joblo.com
 
2009-07-30 06:42:55 PM  

tedbundee: Jesus Christ people is it hard to make links pop?


Is it hard to middle-click a link instead of left-clicking it?
 
2009-07-30 06:48:30 PM  

Bob16: I'd have no problem at all with heavy restrictions on hand guns.


Why? Criminals don't care about your "heavy restrictions", so logically, you are only restricting law-abiding citizens.

Why is this so hard for people to grasp?
 
2009-07-30 06:51:05 PM  

swamp_of_dumb: OhioKnight: I'm not either for or against gun stuff (don't care), but...
2nd amendment says "Congress shall make no law..." -- city government ordinances are not acts of Congress.

Please post the exact phrasing of the Second Amendment. Now point to the part where it says "Congress."
You're confusing the First and Second Amendments.



The funniest part about his post is that OhioKnight should have no problems with cities suppressing free speech and freedom of religion, since "city government ordinances are not acts of Congress".

If he was willing to use that argument against guns....
 
2009-07-30 06:55:13 PM  

schattenteufel: See, it's like religion.
I don't hate religion. I hate religious people, because the weakest-minded tend to flock to it.

Same holds true for firearms.
I don't hate guns. I hate gun owners, because the weakest-minded tend to own them.

Probably for the same reasons; "it makes me feel safe" "it makes me feel superior to those who don't own guns/aren't religious"


You must hate yourself an awful lot. if weak-mindedness is such a problem for you.
 
2009-07-30 06:55:28 PM  
Whoo a perfect thread for Captain Dan - Flintlock Glock (new window) NSFW lyrics

SRSLY, the rifle turns into a club after the first shot.
 
2009-07-30 07:05:52 PM  
OMG!! A GUN!!

LIBS, RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!
 
2009-07-30 07:07:06 PM  

rastjr: Weaver95: rastjr: Weaver95: rastjr: Even thought the law says it is not needed, I side with the cops.

It is a dangerous weapon and it should be registered.

He has a "right" to it but I have a right to my safety and peace of mind.

so because you live in fear, you want to punish those of us who don't?


How is registering punishment?

wait - so you admit you live in fear?

innnnteresting.


Did I say that? Think real hard.


Yeah, you did.

/I am afraid of left hands...
// so you should have to register it.
 
2009-07-30 07:09:50 PM  
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SASS'em if you got 'em
 
2009-07-30 07:11:47 PM  
i79.photobucket.com

I thought my dad was insane doing this. Then I realized he was the smartest man I ever knew.

Guns.
Chicks.
Corsets.
 
2009-07-30 07:16:23 PM  

OhioKnight: I'm not either for or against gun stuff (don't care), but...

2nd amendment says "Congress shall make no law..." -- city government ordinances are not acts of Congress.

Antique firearms are not the same as modern replicas. If it were an actual 200 year old piece, he wouldn't need to register.

Right?


Nope not right. Below in quotes is the text of the 2nd amendment.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
 
2009-07-30 07:17:54 PM  

DFWPhotoGuy: SASS'em if you got 'em


I never really saw the appeal in playing Old West dress up myself, but non-metro Arizona casual is probably quite similar to the untrained eye.

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2009-07-30 07:18:34 PM  

ArrogantGod: JosephFinn: The Constitution also says he has to join a militia.

He already did:

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

Source (new window)


So then... Women who are not in the National Guard DO NOT have the right to bear arms!

/Interesting...
 
2009-07-30 07:19:24 PM  

pd771: Someone needs to start making mini crossbow guns for people in NYC


Nah, then we'd just have news reports about fully-automatic crossbows with cop-killer bolts.

dittybopper: $300+ in fees, plus having to hire a NYC lawyer to fill out the paperwork? In essence, doubling the cost of a *VERY* nice handgun from $800 or so to $1600 or more? That's not punishment?


Not to mention that there's an equal protection argument. Effectively, their laws set the cost of self-defense high enough that the poor can't afford it. They're not limiting it to the wealthy... they're just setting an obscene cost on it that only the relatively wealthy can afford.
 
2009-07-30 07:19:49 PM  

JesseL: DFWPhotoGuy: SASS'em if you got 'em

I never really saw the appeal in playing Old West dress up myself, but non-metro Arizona casual is probably quite similar to the untrained eye.


DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU

/SHAKES TINY FEEBLE FISTS OF FURY.

You would think Texas would have done something like that a long time ago but that chance has passed. Oh well.
 
2009-07-30 07:21:45 PM  

eqtworld: dittybopper: I have a loading block that keeps my patched balls ready to go, and I pre-make paper cartridges. I also have a small priming doohickey.

Here is my loading sequence:
1. Vent pick goes in the touch hole, frizzen down to hold it.
2. Tear open cartridge, pour powder down the barrel.
3. Put loading block on muzzle, slam a ball down with short starter.
4. ram it all the way down with ramrod.
5. Remove pick, dribble some 4F into pan from doohickey, close frizzen.
6. Fire.

It's pretty quick and easy to do.

I would not want to get into the relative arugment of what is "quick and easy" for you

;)


It's easier to do than to explain.

But yeah, I like to do things "the hard way".

/Off to go try out my new old recurve.
//$22 bucks at the local Salvation Army, and $6 for a new string from 3 Rivers.
 
2009-07-30 07:23:33 PM  
DFWPhotoguy

I live just up the road from the Founder's Ranch.
 
2009-07-30 07:24:25 PM  

JustTheTip: So then... Women who are not in the National Guard DO NOT have the right to bear arms!

/Interesting...


That might be true if the right protected by the second amendment was really predicated on militia membership, but it's not.
 
2009-07-30 07:26:32 PM  

DFWPhotoGuy: DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU

/SHAKES TINY FEEBLE FISTS OF FURY.

You would think Texas would have done something like that a long time ago but that chance has passed. Oh well.


Heheh. Don't give up. Sooner or later you're bound to get that law fixed.
 
2009-07-30 07:29:47 PM  

brap: Note to self:

Explore correlation between need to post gun porn and the need to install shag or short-pile brown carpeting.


It's cheap, and it hides dirt well. My log cabin had it.
 
2009-07-30 07:30:21 PM  

rastjr: Even thought the law says it is not needed, I side with the cops.

It is a dangerous weapon and it should be registered.

He has a "right" to it but I have a right to my safety and peace of mind.


You have no right to peace of mind.
 
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