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(RealClearPolitics)   "So, thank you, professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. and President Obama, for starting the long-awaited national discussion on black and white identity - while averting our attention from the cockamamie scheme to nationalize health care."   (realclearpolitics.com) divider line 725
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2009-07-27 06:55:10 PM  
Phil Herup: The Southern Dandy: On the other hand, US cops won't take any lip from even the highest levels of society (ie Harvard Professor)



I would hardly call someone a member of the highest level of society just because they teach at Harvard.


/btw... do you have any Grey Poupon?


OK, but you get my point. Typically in society, a Harvard professor is generally afforded more respect than "Shakes the crack head on skid row", but both will be treated as subservient by US cops, when neither should be treated so.
 
2009-07-27 06:56:52 PM  
And does anybody here really think cops don;t regularly arrest people without the intent to charge or prosecute them? As in to cool someone off?
 
2009-07-27 06:57:06 PM  
yelmrog: Well, at least I tried to show you where my opinion came from

I have no idea where your problem with blacks came from but all i can say is we sure had different pasts.

Everybody i hung around with in high school considered blacks to be almost a superior life form but then we were all musicians deeply involved in the blues.
 
2009-07-27 06:57:28 PM  
CBR ME ASAP: then calling a cop stupid without knowing the facts

He said the cops acted stupidly.. BIG difference.. not defending Gates or even Obama but perhaps you need to stop twisting words and context.
Talk about getting your facts straight! C'mon now!
 
2009-07-27 06:57:30 PM  
Mongo cut wood: I blame Tabloid news and Obama for helping Gates play the Race Card.

Obama, Our First Racist President.

Without Fact, he condemned this police officer because he was White.
Gates condemned the officer as racist purely on his being White.

Had the officer been Black, we would be discussing Universal Health Care.


Its not Obama's fault. Alot of black americans think that every time they dont get a job, get cut off, get pulled over, or get arrested its racism. It just sucks that I, being white, can't do the same if I get pulled over by a black cop, dont get a job with a black boss, or get cut off by a black person.
 
2009-07-27 06:58:24 PM  
The Southern Dandy: "Shakes the crack head on skid row"

I thought Shakes was a clown
 
2009-07-27 06:58:54 PM  
Lt. Cheese Weasel: The amount of bandwidth wasted on this stupid re-thread could have fed thousands of starving chirrens or prevented the death of Ace Frehley. I hope you all are happy.

And out of the darkness... finally, a voice of reason.

now I AM happy.

/raises a toast
 
2009-07-27 06:59:04 PM  
Soon after the allegations were made, 88 Duke professors (referred to sometimes as the "Group of 88") from the Trinity College of Arts & Sciences placed an ad in The Chronicle referring to the circumstances surrounding the allegations as a "social disaster" and quoting primarily anonymous individuals citing racism and sexism in the Duke community. The advertisement concluded, "We're turning up the volume [...] To the students speaking individually and to the protestors making collective noise, thank you for not waiting and for making yourselves heard," and "These are the students shouting and whispering about what happened to this young woman."[17] Notable signatories included Miriam Cooke, Anne Allison, Cathy Davidson, Ariel Dorfman, Michael Hardt, Alice Kaplan, Claudia Koonz, Walter Mignolo, Mark Anthony Neal and Alex Rosenberg. The ad was spearheaded by faculty member Wahneema Lubiano.

In three departments, more than half of faculty signed the statement. The department with the highest proportion of signatories was African and African-American Studies, with 80%. Just over 72% of the Women's Studies faculty signed the statement, Cultural Anthropology 60%, Romance studies 44.8%, Literature 41.7%, English 32.2%, Art & Art History 30.7%, and History 25%. No faculty members from the Pratt School of Engineering or full-time law professors signed the document. Departments that had no faculty members sign the document include Biological Anthropology and Anatomy, Biology, Chemistry, Computer Science, Economics, Genetics, Germanic Languages/Literature, Psychology and Neuroscience, Religion, and Slavic and Eurasian Studies.


The article referenced the Duke Lacrosse scandal. Sounds like this is a similar case. The one thing I love about this stuff is how quickly we see who supports this kind of shiat and who doesn't. Looking at the list of departments above who supported the statement and who didn't, not a single one surprised me.
 
2009-07-27 07:00:00 PM  
The Southern Dandy: Phil Herup: The Southern Dandy: On the other hand, US cops won't take any lip from even the highest levels of society (ie Harvard Professor)



I would hardly call someone a member of the highest level of society just because they teach at Harvard.


/btw... do you have any Grey Poupon?

OK, but you get my point. Typically in society, a Harvard professor is generally afforded more respect than "Shakes the crack head on skid row", but both will be treated as subservient by US cops, when neither should be treated so.


Umm...cops are expected to control a situation. They ARE entitled to give you orders. Obey or get hooked up. Don;t agree? That's why there's a grievance process.
 
2009-07-27 07:00:27 PM  
Mongo cut wood: I blame Tabloid news and Obama for helping Gates play the Race Card.

Obama, Our First Racist President.

Without Fact, he condemned this police officer because he was White.
Gates condemned the officer as racist purely on his being White.

Had the officer been Black, we would be discussing Universal Health Care.


Exaclty. Black people got lots of anger against Whitey. Odd they usually kill other black folks huh?
 
2009-07-27 07:01:08 PM  
zippolight2002: Mongo cut wood: I blame Tabloid news and Obama for helping Gates play the Race Card.

Obama, Our First Racist President.

Without Fact, he condemned this police officer because he was White.
Gates condemned the officer as racist purely on his being White.

Had the officer been Black, we would be discussing Universal Health Care.

Its not Obama's fault. Alot of black americans think that every time they dont get a job, get cut off, get pulled over, or get arrested its racism. It just sucks that I, being white, can't do the same if I get pulled over by a black cop, dont get a job with a black boss, or get cut off by a black person.


Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bink lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
 
2009-07-27 07:01:22 PM  
vonster: And does anybody here really think cops don;t regularly arrest people without the intent to charge or prosecute them? As in to cool someone off?

It happens quite often I'm sure. But seriously, if some neighbor called me in for breaking in to my own house and the cops showed up demanding my ID or proof that I lived there, I'd simply hand it over. I wouldn't protest, saying that they're profiling me because I've got shaggy hair and a beard and am probably a dirty pot-smoking hippie trying to rob a house for my next reefer fix, even though I might want to do that.

Just a poor decision on Gates's part to raise a ruckus. Cop was probably having a bad day or something.
 
2009-07-27 07:04:48 PM  
IonBeam2: I doubt he's a professor of anything even remotely intelligent. I'm guessing best case: psychology; worst case: African American studies.

You know, I was racking my brain, trying to figure out why one of America's foremost scholars - a man with a peerless academic resume and an extensive body of highly respected writings - was so widely reviled here on Fark. And then, with a little research, I found it (new window):

"After a two-year stay at Duke University, he was recruited for his current position at Harvard University in 1991."

Mystery solved.
 
2009-07-27 07:06:49 PM  
topcon: Gates in his Yale application:

"As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20090726_A_scholar_in_the_fray__Henry_L o uis_Gates_Jr_.html


Yep, in like '68. If you were a black who was born in 1950 and farking West Virginia, you'd be a fool not to feel like that.

You need a history book son.
 
2009-07-27 07:08:22 PM  
vonster: PascalsGhost: jpbreon: PascalsGhost:
Again, she is claiming the cop is lying on his police report, so you need to switch gears and start smearing her.

Now I am forced to agree with you. I initially was curious as to why a neighbor would call the police if she say the owners entering, unless she had a problem with Gates. Because, in order to facilitate police racial profiling, the officer HAD to know what race the men were before he answered the call.

This woman seems to be the key. Since we can see the 911 transcript, we know she didn't outright call just because black men were seen forcing a door, unless she was really damn smart and avoided race until questioned. It seems to me that this woman was told by her lawyer to hang the race details on the cop, before people start wondering about her.

Dude, I never thought this was about race. I'm sure the same thing would have happened if Gates was white.

Black or white, it never pays to antagonize the police in the heat of the moment. Let it cool and file complaints afterwards.


I totally agree with this too. That still doesn't change the fact the cop had no right to arrest him.

That is all I am saying. A simple fact validated by the dropping of charges and the statements of the town.

For this I am a racist, an Obamabot, a cop hater, ect.farking idiots.
 
2009-07-27 07:09:02 PM  
texastag: They're screwed in '10

I've seen you make this statement over and over and over again. I think the real question is, "Who are you trying to convince?"

I think the answer to that question is, yourself.
 
2009-07-27 07:09:13 PM  
PascalsGhost: topcon: Gates in his Yale application:

"As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20090726_A_scholar_in_the_fray__Henry_L o uis_Gates_Jr_.html

Yep, in like '68. If you were a black who was born in 1950 and farking West Virginia, you'd be a fool not to feel like that.

You need a history book son.


You need to stop peddling white guilt, son. We have a black CiC now. STFU.
 
2009-07-27 07:09:47 PM  
yelmrog: vonster: And does anybody here really think cops don;t regularly arrest people without the intent to charge or prosecute them? As in to cool someone off?

Only problem is this lyin pig was the source of the heat.

If officer Fife didn't have to desperately compensate none of this probably would have happened.
 
2009-07-27 07:10:06 PM  
vonster: Black or white, it never pays to antagonize the police in the heat of the moment. Let it cool and file complaints afterwards.

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YO MAMMA
 
2009-07-27 07:11:36 PM  
PascalsGhost: vonster: PascalsGhost: jpbreon: PascalsGhost:
Again, she is claiming the cop is lying on his police report, so you need to switch gears and start smearing her.

Now I am forced to agree with you. I initially was curious as to why a neighbor would call the police if she say the owners entering, unless she had a problem with Gates. Because, in order to facilitate police racial profiling, the officer HAD to know what race the men were before he answered the call.

This woman seems to be the key. Since we can see the 911 transcript, we know she didn't outright call just because black men were seen forcing a door, unless she was really damn smart and avoided race until questioned. It seems to me that this woman was told by her lawyer to hang the race details on the cop, before people start wondering about her.

Dude, I never thought this was about race. I'm sure the same thing would have happened if Gates was white.

Black or white, it never pays to antagonize the police in the heat of the moment. Let it cool and file complaints afterwards.

I totally agree with this too. That still doesn't change the fact the cop had no right to arrest him.

That is all I am saying. A simple fact validated by the dropping of charges and the statements of the town.

For this I am a racist, an Obamabot, a cop hater, ect.farking idiots.


Actually, cops need no reason to "arrest" you. For whatever reason, he was going ballistic and he got hooked up. Charges were not even necessary.
 
2009-07-27 07:12:07 PM  
vonster: And does anybody here really think cops don;t regularly arrest people without the intent to charge or prosecute them? As in to cool someone off?

It doesn't make it legal.


zippolight2002: Mongo cut wood: I blame Tabloid news and Obama for helping Gates play the Race Card.

Obama, Our First Racist President.

Without Fact, he condemned this police officer because he was White.
Gates condemned the officer as racist purely on his being White.

Had the officer been Black, we would be discussing Universal Health Care.

Its not Obama's fault. Alot of black americans think that every time they dont get a job, get cut off, get pulled over, or get arrested its racism. It just sucks that I, being white, can't do the same if I get pulled over by a black cop, dont get a job with a black boss, or get cut off by a black person.


I know my white brother, we are oppressed.
 
2009-07-27 07:13:06 PM  
Bob16: yelmrog: vonster: And does anybody here really think cops don;t regularly arrest people without the intent to charge or prosecute them? As in to cool someone off?

Only problem is this lyin pig was the source of the heat.

If officer Fife didn't have to desperately compensate none of this probably would have happened.


Aw for God's sake....isn;t there a Black Panther or SDS meeting you're late for? Black Bloc maybe?
 
2009-07-27 07:13:11 PM  
Yaaaaahooooooooo

Phil got a new picture

/ better be good for that Santa or you will be getting "it" for Xmas
 
2009-07-27 07:13:30 PM  
As Samuel Huntington pointed out, diversity/multiculturalism doesn't work as a model for society. And that is why societies are are turning toward ethnic/religious unity.
 
2009-07-27 07:14:33 PM  
Shryke: PascalsGhost: topcon: Gates in his Yale application:

"As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20090726_A_scholar_in_the_fray__Henry_L o uis_Gates_Jr_.html

Yep, in like '68. If you were a black who was born in 1950 and farking West Virginia, you'd be a fool not to feel like that.

You need a history book son.

You need to stop peddling white guilt, son. We have a black CiC now. STFU.


Did we in 1970? Do you know what the laws were with race in 1960?

Just go and look at blacks in sports in the 60's.

You ignorant dickhead. READ A BOOK.

Can you read?


vonster: PascalsGhost: vonster: PascalsGhost: jpbreon: PascalsGhost:
Again, she is claiming the cop is lying on his police report, so you need to switch gears and start smearing her.

Now I am forced to agree with you. I initially was curious as to why a neighbor would call the police if she say the owners entering, unless she had a problem with Gates. Because, in order to facilitate police racial profiling, the officer HAD to know what race the men were before he answered the call.

This woman seems to be the key. Since we can see the 911 transcript, we know she didn't outright call just because black men were seen forcing a door, unless she was really damn smart and avoided race until questioned. It seems to me that this woman was told by her lawyer to hang the race details on the cop, before people start wondering about her.

Dude, I never thought this was about race. I'm sure the same thing would have happened if Gates was white.

Black or white, it never pays to antagonize the police in the heat of the moment. Let it cool and file complaints afterwards.

I totally agree with this too. That still doesn't change the fact the cop had no right to arrest him.

That is all I am saying. A simple fact validated by the dropping of charges and the statements of the town.

For this I am a racist, an Obamabot, a cop hater, ect.farking idiots.

Actually, cops need no reason to "arrest" you. For whatever reason, he was going ballistic and he got hooked up. Charges were not even necessary.


LOL, what a poor American you must be. Do you really want to back that? I mean, you misspoke, right?
 
2009-07-27 07:17:43 PM  
Conservationist: As Samuel Huntington pointed out, diversity/multiculturalism doesn't work as a model for society. And that is why societies are are turning toward ethnic/religious unity.

Nah, depends on the intelligence of the people. It really does. I moved to Seattle 3 years ago, and we all LOVE the diversity of people. We all realize how much stronger it makes us and how it improves our lives. The fear and hatred of others who are "different" is based out of ignorance, and only the stupid embrace ignorance instead of trying to grow out of it. Look at the morons in this thread who can't even seem to remember how horrible we treated blacks just 40 years ago. ignorance. And they have no desire to read a book to slay their ignorance. They EMBRACE it. THAT is why the country is balkanizing on race and religion.
 
2009-07-27 07:17:58 PM  
PascalsGhost: Shryke: PascalsGhost: topcon: Gates in his Yale application:

"As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20090726_A_scholar_in_the_fray__Henry_L o uis_Gates_Jr_.html

Yep, in like '68. If you were a black who was born in 1950 and farking West Virginia, you'd be a fool not to feel like that.

You need a history book son.

You need to stop peddling white guilt, son. We have a black CiC now. STFU.

Did we in 1970? Do you know what the laws were with race in 1960?

Just go and look at blacks in sports in the 60's.

You ignorant dickhead. READ A BOOK.

Can you read?


vonster: PascalsGhost: vonster: PascalsGhost: jpbreon: PascalsGhost:
Again, she is claiming the cop is lying on his police report, so you need to switch gears and start smearing her.

Now I am forced to agree with you. I initially was curious as to why a neighbor would call the police if she say the owners entering, unless she had a problem with Gates. Because, in order to facilitate police racial profiling, the officer HAD to know what race the men were before he answered the call.

This woman seems to be the key. Since we can see the 911 transcript, we know she didn't outright call just because black men were seen forcing a door, unless she was really damn smart and avoided race until questioned. It seems to me that this woman was told by her lawyer to hang the race details on the cop, before people start wondering about her.

Dude, I never thought this was about race. I'm sure the same thing would have happened if Gates was white.

Black or white, it never pays to antagonize the police in the heat of the moment. Let it cool and file complaints afterwards.

I totally agree with this too. That still doesn't change the fact the cop had no right to arrest him.

That is all I am saying. A simple fact validated by the dropping of charges and the statements of the town.

For this I am a racist, an Obamabot, a cop hater, ect.farking idiots.

Actually, cops need no reason to "arrest" you. For whatever reason, he was going ballistic and he got hooked up. Charges were not even necessary.

LOL, what a poor American you must be. Do you really want to back that? I mean, you misspoke, right?


You have the right of redress of grievances, NOT the right to stand toe to toe with the officer and call out his momma. GEEZ!
 
2009-07-27 07:18:45 PM  
vonster: Aw for God's sake....isn;t there a Black Panther or SDS meeting you're late for? Black Bloc maybe?

Geeze didn't you get the memo. You right wing retards are suppose to be calling us liberals terrorists, secret muslims or, worst of all, citizens of Kenya.

Get your waaaaargarble straight.
 
2009-07-27 07:19:40 PM  
vonster: PascalsGhost: Shryke: PascalsGhost: topcon: Gates in his Yale application:

"As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20090726_A_scholar_in_the_fray__Henry_L o uis_Gates_Jr_.html

Yep, in like '68. If you were a black who was born in 1950 and farking West Virginia, you'd be a fool not to feel like that.

You need a history book son.

You need to stop peddling white guilt, son. We have a black CiC now. STFU.

Did we in 1970? Do you know what the laws were with race in 1960?

Just go and look at blacks in sports in the 60's.

You ignorant dickhead. READ A BOOK.

Can you read?


vonster: PascalsGhost: vonster: PascalsGhost: jpbreon: PascalsGhost:
Again, she is claiming the cop is lying on his police report, so you need to switch gears and start smearing her.

Now I am forced to agree with you. I initially was curious as to why a neighbor would call the police if she say the owners entering, unless she had a problem with Gates. Because, in order to facilitate police racial profiling, the officer HAD to know what race the men were before he answered the call.

This woman seems to be the key. Since we can see the 911 transcript, we know she didn't outright call just because black men were seen forcing a door, unless she was really damn smart and avoided race until questioned. It seems to me that this woman was told by her lawyer to hang the race details on the cop, before people start wondering about her.

Dude, I never thought this was about race. I'm sure the same thing would have happened if Gates was white.

Black or white, it never pays to antagonize the police in the heat of the moment. Let it cool and file complaints afterwards.

I totally agree with this too. That still doesn't change the fact the cop had no right to arrest him.

That is all I am saying. A simple fact validated by the dropping of charges and the statements of the town.

For this I am a racist, an Obamabot, a cop hater, ect.farking idiots.

Actually, cops need no reason to "arrest" you. For whatever reason, he was going ballistic and he got hooked up. Charges were not even necessary.

LOL, what a poor American you must be. Do you really want to back that? I mean, you misspoke, right?

You have the right of redress of grievances, NOT the right to stand toe to toe with the officer and call out his momma. GEEZ!


No, you can offend a police officer and you haven't broken any law. Just like you can offend a checkout clerk. No difference.

Makes you an asshole, but no violation of the law.
 
2009-07-27 07:19:41 PM  
PascalsGhost: Can you read?

Quite wel, actually. What does that have to do with you pounding the white guilt drum, over and over?

Fark your ilk and your incessant race cards. Thankfully, that shiat is over and done with on the national stage. Looking forward to the "we all love each other" press conference Obama gives after he has them over for beers.
 
2009-07-27 07:21:26 PM  
vonster:
Umm...cops are expected to control a situation. They ARE entitled to give you orders. Obey or get hooked up. Don;t agree? That's why there's a grievance process.


Controlling a situation and escalating a situation are quite different. If a citizen gets riled, it's up to the cop to control the situation by diffusing it, not to escalate it by threatening the citizen with arrest simply because the citizen is riled up. In this case, Ofc Crowley could have controlled and diffused the situation by apologizing and walking away, but that wasn't in keeping with his training to maintain a dominant stance. So, in the end, the situation escalated, a citizen was wrongly arrested (charges were dropped, QED), and now the department faces a lawsuit. not because the Officer did anything wrong....he didn't..he acted according to training...but because his was not trained properly.
 
2009-07-27 07:21:47 PM  
Bob16: vonster: Aw for God's sake....isn;t there a Black Panther or SDS meeting you're late for? Black Bloc maybe?

Geeze didn't you get the memo. You right wing retards are suppose to be calling us liberals terrorists, secret muslims or, worst of all, citizens of Kenya.

Get your waaaaargarble straight.


Cops are pigs? Talk about whharblgarbl!
 
2009-07-27 07:23:40 PM  
Shryke: PascalsGhost: Can you read?

Quite wel, actually. What does that have to do with you pounding the white guilt drum, over and over?

Fark your ilk and your incessant race cards. Thankfully, that shiat is over and done with on the national stage. Looking forward to the "we all love each other" press conference Obama gives after he has them over for beers.


It is over. In 1968 when he wrote that it wasn't. Not even close.

Is it that hard to understand? I'm Italian that came through West Virginia three gens ago. 1910-1930. Italians were harrassed and treated as second class, murdered, the whole deal. If in 1920 I wrote a letter complaining about how oppressed I was, I'd be dead on. If I write it in 2007, I'm an idiot.

The fact you can't see the difference tells me you just hate black people. That's cool, but just man up. Seriously.
 
2009-07-27 07:23:51 PM  
PascalsGhost: vonster: And does anybody here really think cops don;t regularly arrest people without the intent to charge or prosecute them? As in to cool someone off?

It doesn't make it legal.


zippolight2002: Mongo cut wood: I blame Tabloid news and Obama for helping Gates play the Race Card.

Obama, Our First Racist President.

Without Fact, he condemned this police officer because he was White.
Gates condemned the officer as racist purely on his being White.

Had the officer been Black, we would be discussing Universal Health Care.

Its not Obama's fault. Alot of black americans think that every time they dont get a job, get cut off, get pulled over, or get arrested its racism. It just sucks that I, being white, can't do the same if I get pulled over by a black cop, dont get a job with a black boss, or get cut off by a black person.

I know my white brother, we are oppressed.


I said we were oppressed? No, I didn't. I'm just pointing out the double standard which breeds REAL racism. If african-american's want "racism" to go away, they need to stfu about it and let the new generations do what they're doing about it.
 
2009-07-27 07:24:01 PM  
Mongo cut wood: I blame Tabloid news and Obama for helping Gates play the Race Card.

Obama, Our First Racist President.

Without Fact, he condemned this police officer because he was White.
Gates condemned the officer as racist purely on his being White.

Had the officer been Black, we would be discussing Universal Health Care.


I suppose it wouldn't do any good to point out that Obama said he didn't know whether racism was a factor. It actually was stupid, as Obama said, to arrest someone for disorderly conduct when they're not making physical threats and they're standing on their own property... which is why the charges were dropped.
 
2009-07-27 07:24:04 PM  
The Southern Dandy: vonster:
Umm...cops are expected to control a situation. They ARE entitled to give you orders. Obey or get hooked up. Don;t agree? That's why there's a grievance process.

Controlling a situation and escalating a situation are quite different. If a citizen gets riled, it's up to the cop to control the situation by diffusing it, not to escalate it by threatening the citizen with arrest simply because the citizen is riled up. In this case, Ofc Crowley could have controlled and diffused the situation by apologizing and walking away, but that wasn't in keeping with his training to maintain a dominant stance. So, in the end, the situation escalated, a citizen was wrongly arrested (charges were dropped, QED), and now the department faces a lawsuit. not because the Officer did anything wrong....he didn't..he acted according to training...but because his was not trained properly.


Wasn't he head of their diversity training thing?
 
2009-07-27 07:26:22 PM  
vonster They (cops) ARE entitled to give you orders.

The need for an authoritarian figure is strong in this one.

I suggest reading John Deans "Conservatives Without Conscience" for insight into his alleged mind.
 
2009-07-27 07:27:19 PM  
vonster: Umm...cops are expected to control a situation. They ARE entitled to give you orders. Obey or get hooked up. Don;t agree? That's why there's a grievance process.

Really? So if a cop showed up at your house and started barking illegal orders, you'd just play Simon Says for him? Do you live in the US?
 
2009-07-27 07:27:39 PM  
Bob16: vonster They (cops) ARE entitled to give you orders.

The need for an authoritarian figure is strong in this one.

I suggest reading John Deans "Conservatives Without Conscience" for insight into his alleged mind.


Obvious troll is obvious. Bye.
 
2009-07-27 07:28:10 PM  
zippolight2002: PascalsGhost: vonster: And does anybody here really think cops don;t regularly arrest people without the intent to charge or prosecute them? As in to cool someone off?

It doesn't make it legal.


zippolight2002: Mongo cut wood: I blame Tabloid news and Obama for helping Gates play the Race Card.

Obama, Our First Racist President.

Without Fact, he condemned this police officer because he was White.
Gates condemned the officer as racist purely on his being White.

Had the officer been Black, we would be discussing Universal Health Care.

Its not Obama's fault. Alot of black americans think that every time they dont get a job, get cut off, get pulled over, or get arrested its racism. It just sucks that I, being white, can't do the same if I get pulled over by a black cop, dont get a job with a black boss, or get cut off by a black person.

I know my white brother, we are oppressed.

I said we were oppressed? No, I didn't. I'm just pointing out the double standard which breeds REAL racism. If african-american's want "racism" to go away, they need to stfu about it and let the new generations do what they're doing about it.


Just curious, cause where do you live? This is usually an issue of region, because its been my experience that people who live in more enlightened areas simply can't imagine how much racism exists and is still excepted in this day and age.

I mean, I understand black people use it as a crutch, and it is something they must fix internally. However, I'm from Ohio/West Virginia originally and people literally had "No N*gg*r President for me!" signs in their HOMES and TAVERNS leading up to the election. These people's businesses or persons are not avoided nor abnormal to the surround population.

So blacks have a point.
 
2009-07-27 07:28:27 PM  
All Apologies: zabadu: The officer was investigating a report of a burglary. Until he is satisfied that there is no crime, he can hang around all he wants.

2 forms of ID confirming that Gates is the resident is not enough?

You think under that pretense the police should be able to enter anyones property and not leave until they are satisfied?

Do you think the owner might now if there is a crime in progress, and could make that decision on his own. Or is that something regular people can't handle?


Could very well be that the cop thought there might've been criminals hiding in the house somewhere and wanted to remove Gates from the property before he searched the place...so he could keep Gates safe from possible perpetrators.
 
2009-07-27 07:28:49 PM  
vonster: Bob16: vonster They (cops) ARE entitled to give you orders.

The need for an authoritarian figure is strong in this one.

I suggest reading John Deans "Conservatives Without Conscience" for insight into his alleged mind.

Obvious troll is obvious. Bye.


Bad American is busted :) Bye.
 
2009-07-27 07:29:39 PM  
glassa: All Apologies: zabadu: The officer was investigating a report of a burglary. Until he is satisfied that there is no crime, he can hang around all he wants.

2 forms of ID confirming that Gates is the resident is not enough?

You think under that pretense the police should be able to enter anyones property and not leave until they are satisfied?

Do you think the owner might now if there is a crime in progress, and could make that decision on his own. Or is that something regular people can't handle?

Could very well be that the cop thought there might've been criminals hiding in the house somewhere and wanted to remove Gates from the property before he searched the place...so he could keep Gates safe from possible perpetrators.


Nothing like that in his report, and you are the first person to even suggest that.
 
2009-07-27 07:30:34 PM  
vonster: Cops are pigs? Talk about whharblgarbl!

Hey i can't help it if cops ended up with their pig reputation.
The name has been around for decades now. Millions of people have called them pigs, do call them pigs and will call them pigs.

Thats Obamas fault right ?
 
2009-07-27 07:31:09 PM  
PascalsGhost: zippolight2002: PascalsGhost: vonster: And does anybody here really think cops don;t regularly arrest people without the intent to charge or prosecute them? As in to cool someone off?

It doesn't make it legal.


zippolight2002: Mongo cut wood: I blame Tabloid news and Obama for helping Gates play the Race Card.

Obama, Our First Racist President.

Without Fact, he condemned this police officer because he was White.
Gates condemned the officer as racist purely on his being White.

Had the officer been Black, we would be discussing Universal Health Care.

Its not Obama's fault. Alot of black americans think that every time they dont get a job, get cut off, get pulled over, or get arrested its racism. It just sucks that I, being white, can't do the same if I get pulled over by a black cop, dont get a job with a black boss, or get cut off by a black person.

I know my white brother, we are oppressed.

I said we were oppressed? No, I didn't. I'm just pointing out the double standard which breeds REAL racism. If african-american's want "racism" to go away, they need to stfu about it and let the new generations do what they're doing about it.

Just curious, cause where do you live? This is usually an issue of region, because its been my experience that people who live in more enlightened areas simply can't imagine how much racism exists and is still excepted in this day and age.

I mean, I understand black people use it as a crutch, and it is something they must fix internally. However, I'm from Ohio/West Virginia originally and people literally had "No N*gg*r President for me!" signs in their HOMES and TAVERNS leading up to the election. These people's businesses or persons are not avoided nor abnormal to the surround population.

So blacks have a point.


Detroit for 20 years, now Orlando. Both black heavy cities where I'm easily the minority. Perhaps thats why I have a different view of this.
 
2009-07-27 07:33:35 PM  
vonster:
You have the right of redress of grievances, NOT the right to stand toe to toe with the officer and call out his momma. GEEZ!


Massachussets law disagrees with you:

Defendant who did not physically resist his arrest arising out of a domestic violence incident could not be convicted of disorderly conduct based solely on his loud and angry tirade, which included profanities, directed at police officers as he was being escorted to police cruiser, even if spectators gathered to watch defendant; defendant did not make any threats or engage in violence, and his speech did not constitute fighting words. Com. v. Mallahan (2008) 72 Mass.App.Ct. 1103, 889 N.E.2d 77, 2008 WL 2404550.

Defendant's conduct, namely, flailing his arms and shouting at police, victim of recent assault, or both, after being told to leave area by police, did not amount to "violent or tumultuous behavior" within scope of disorderly conduct statute, absent any claim that defendant's protestations constituted threat of violence, or any evidence that defendant's flailing arms were anything but physical manifestation of his agitation or that noise and commotion caused by defendant's behavior was extreme. Com. v. Lopiano (2004) 805 N.E.2d 522, 60 Mass.App.Ct. 723.
 
2009-07-27 07:34:50 PM  
zippolight2002: PascalsGhost: zippolight2002: PascalsGhost: vonster: And does anybody here really think cops don;t regularly arrest people without the intent to charge or prosecute them? As in to cool someone off?

It doesn't make it legal.


zippolight2002: Mongo cut wood: I blame Tabloid news and Obama for helping Gates play the Race Card.

Obama, Our First Racist President.

Without Fact, he condemned this police officer because he was White.
Gates condemned the officer as racist purely on his being White.

Had the officer been Black, we would be discussing Universal Health Care.

Its not Obama's fault. Alot of black americans think that every time they dont get a job, get cut off, get pulled over, or get arrested its racism. It just sucks that I, being white, can't do the same if I get pulled over by a black cop, dont get a job with a black boss, or get cut off by a black person.

I know my white brother, we are oppressed.

I said we were oppressed? No, I didn't. I'm just pointing out the double standard which breeds REAL racism. If african-american's want "racism" to go away, they need to stfu about it and let the new generations do what they're doing about it.

Just curious, cause where do you live? This is usually an issue of region, because its been my experience that people who live in more enlightened areas simply can't imagine how much racism exists and is still excepted in this day and age.

I mean, I understand black people use it as a crutch, and it is something they must fix internally. However, I'm from Ohio/West Virginia originally and people literally had "No N*gg*r President for me!" signs in their HOMES and TAVERNS leading up to the election. These people's businesses or persons are not avoided nor abnormal to the surround population.

So blacks have a point.

Detroit for 20 years, now Orlando. Both black heavy cities where I'm easily the minority. Perhaps thats why I have a different view of this.


Worked in parts of Detroit where I was horrified. I'm not suggesting blacks are racist or farked up in the city in many ways, but...
 
2009-07-27 07:35:38 PM  
Bob16: vonster: Cops are pigs? Talk about whharblgarbl!

Hey i can't help it if cops ended up with their pig reputation.
The name has been around for decades now. Millions of people have called them pigs, do call them pigs and will call them pigs.

Thats Obamas fault right ?


Not if you're an anarchist....
 
2009-07-27 07:35:43 PM  
zippolight2002: PascalsGhost: However, I'm from Ohio/West Virginia originally and people literally had "No N*gg*r President for me!" signs in their HOMES and TAVERNS leading up to the election. These people's businesses or persons are not avoided nor abnormal to the surround population.

So blacks have a point.


They may have a point about some people being racist. But they don't have a point if they say because of these couple (more than likely much much older) white people, that racism is a huge problem or that it won't go away without help. IMO, in 10-15 years, racism will be gone. Because most of the people that are TRUELY racist, are in the older generations where they grew up in it. And no matter WHAT you do, you will NOT be able to make them unracist. So whats the point?
 
2009-07-27 07:37:29 PM  
The hyperbole has gotten too deep here....weep for the loss of reason. Nite.
 
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