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(RealClearPolitics)   "So, thank you, professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. and President Obama, for starting the long-awaited national discussion on black and white identity - while averting our attention from the cockamamie scheme to nationalize health care."   (realclearpolitics.com) divider line 725
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2009-07-27 03:12:12 PM
TigerStar: Medicare works. I have never heard anyone say that Medicare is like getting healthcare from the DWV. Lower the eligibility so more people can use Medicare. Taking something that works, making it better, and expanding it to serve more people is simple and easy to grasp.

What is even more funny: Hawaii has two major newspapers, the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin. BOTH newspapers include birth announcements, and BOTH newspapers record the August 4th, 1961 birth of Barack Obama. That is quite the conspiracy. In August of 1961, Barack was the chosen one. The conspirators had a lot of foresight. WOW!! It shows how powerful Obama is. Even as an infant, he commanded his brainwashed liberal minions to place phony birth announcements. He knew that would be the only obstacle he would face in becoming president!


No you fool that was a black ops done by the Triangle group. They hacked the archives of both papers and physically replaced all archived copies in all forms to insert the fake birth announcement.
 
2009-07-27 03:12:26 PM
Bob16: What law did Gates break

How about this. Have your neighbor call 911 and report a break in to your house, when the cops arrive, refuse to provide ID, explain to them in elevated tone that you would like to speak to their mother outside, finally provide an ID that does not list your address, when the cops tell you that they will no longer listen to you inside your house, follow them outside screaming at them in full view of your other neighbors causing a disturbance and lets see what happens. Report back your findings and maybe we can see the "Smoking Gun" link on Fark.

/Maybe the cops will provide you a teachable moment
 
2009-07-27 03:12:39 PM
soy_bomb: Deucednuisance: He violated no law until he was outside. I object to the repeated accusation that Gates "followed" him outside, as if it was his idea, alone. Officer had established no break-in had taken place, and simply should have left, without the "Would you care to continue to yell at me outside"? I've said it be fore, Gates acted like a douche, but there was no need for the officer to make the situation arrest-worthy.

Unless the cop dragged Gates out of his home, the cop did nothing wrong. Gates made it an arrest-worthy situation. If this is the higher brain function we expect from an Ivy League professor, there are a bunch of kids getting ripped off. I could understand a white guy wearing a wife beater coming out of a trailer home acting this way, not an esteemed educator.


Sounds to me like this asshole is just spewing more racial hate to all of those yuppie douche-students.
 
2009-07-27 03:13:13 PM
GAT_00: KaponoFor3: So it's the media's fault for asking the question and having Obama give a shiatty answer?

Last I checked, the media decided what they're going to run with. They were never going to run with the health care story. There is no sensationalism in it, no benefit in talking about how the country will be a better place. Better this than what they would be running, which would probably be some idiotic GOP "counterpoint" that was just more partisan gibberish along the lines of everything is fine now.


...bingo. They had BIRTH CERTIFICATE for a while...then ARUGULA...then DIJON MUSTARD...they've had to drift back to BIRTH CERTIFICATE until ZOMG BLACK RACISM showed up and saved them from actually having to discuss serious stuff...
 
2009-07-27 03:13:29 PM
Bob16: andrewskdr: A bu..bu..but Bush argument in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do about Bush. Nicely done.

And a "b-b-b-but you said b-b-b-but Bush" argument in response.

Boy did you show me.


Merely pointing out how much of an idiot you are. I probably didn't need to do that though, did I?
 
2009-07-27 03:14:09 PM
Please clear this up: If a policeman asks you for identification do you have to provide it? I thought the police could hold you for 24 hours or until your identity is confirmed.
 
2009-07-27 03:14:50 PM
Theaetetus: CBR ME ASAP: The charges were dropped because the police knew the media would have even more of a field day if the ticket stuck.

No, the charges were dropped to avoid the inevitable dismissal with prejudice and civil suit for false arrest under 42 USC 1983.


Or simple prosecutorial discretion to turn down prosecuting a misdemeanor charge that had turned into a media circus outright. "Disorderly conduct" is a pretty vague crime and a very minor infraction. If the arrest was unlawful the fact that the charges were dropped isn't going to change the illegality of the original arrest for purposes of a 1983 claim.
 
2009-07-27 03:15:05 PM
"Our culture is now actively teaching racial paranoia to blacks, gender paranoia to women, and abuse paranoia to everybody with a beef. All those exaggerated fears and phony fits of rage have been cynically whipped up by the Left to grab more power. That's their Compassion Fascism. The rest of us go along, because we don't want to be bothered to stand up against it. But in the aggregate, over time, we have become a culture driven loopy by race, gender, and group paranoia. We have adopted the madness of the most race-obsessed people, and made them rich. Over time, they have worn down our sanity, so that our culture has literally gotten crazy."
- James Lewis

www.americanthinker.com
 
2009-07-27 03:15:14 PM
For the millionth farking time, HE WAS NOT ARRESTED INSIDE HIS HOUSE. Why don't you retards read one farking article about this story before you comment on it. "OMG, NOW IT IS A CRIME TO GET UPSET AND UNRULY IN YOUR OWN HOME!!!" No, dumbass, but it IS a crime to get unruly outside of your home, IN PUBLIC. For fark's sake.
 
2009-07-27 03:15:20 PM
IonBeam2: "So, thank you, professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. and President Obama, for starting the long-awaited national race war, which you shall surely lose"

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/WK-AO625_GATES_DV_20090205140303.jpg

YO MAMMA
 
2009-07-27 03:15:22 PM
macadamnut: What health care is that?

Seperate but equal care.
 
2009-07-27 03:15:55 PM
Bob16: CBR ME ASAP: So, you honestly believe that the cop showed up saw an uppity negro and decided to arrest him for being black?

Ah Einstein.

What law did Gates break ?


He was charged with disorderly conduct. RTFA.
 
2009-07-27 03:16:41 PM
CBR ME ASAP: Sounds to me like this asshole is just spewing more racial hate to all of those yuppie douche-students.

You've been to his classes?

soy_bomb: Have your neighbor call 911 and report a break in to your house,

The remainder snipped, because you misrepresent both the events, and the order in which they happened. (And again, I'm going by the cop's version of the story, not Gates'.)

Why is that?

Have you even read the police report?
 
2009-07-27 03:16:50 PM
What a farce...

Gates acted like a jackass, which isn't crime.

Once Gates provided ID, the officer should have said "Good day, sorry for the inconvenience. Here's the Cambridge Police's phone number if you'd like to file a complaint."

Obama should have just said, "I am indeed friends with Mr Gates, but I have not heard all the facts of the incident, and will refrain from comment until then... If I comment on it, at all."

Much ado about nothing, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2009-07-27 03:17:15 PM
Theaetetus: CBR ME ASAP: By pointing out that no law was broke and the cop was wrong to arrest him?

I'm glad you know the law better than the police.

Many police don't know the law.


Same goes for 99.9% of farkers.
 
2009-07-27 03:17:40 PM
jpbreon: The cop should be suing Gates for defamation of character.

Really? Let's see what the public opinion of the cop is:
I don't think the cop did anything wrong, and I generally dislike police.

Right, suit dismissed.

We've all been in a similar situation; you've been traveling, you finally get home, realize you don't have a key [he had a key, the door swelled in the humidity] and have to force the door. You're pissed off, tired, and the next thing you know, the police show up.

So, you vent on the officer and he doesn't like it; he is coming to assist you, and secure your property.


Yep, and you give him your ID and he realizes you are in the residence lawfully. He is careful to later note this in his police report, in fact.
However, he's annoyed that you're venting at him. So he calls for backup from the Harvard police after seeing your Harvard ID. He's also careful to note that this occurs after he determines you're in the residence lawfully.
He then repeatedly asks you to step outside while you ask him for identification. Once you do, he immediately arrests you for disorderly conduct in a public place - your front porch.

See, 'round here we say that cop was acting stupid. If we wanted to be more specific, we say that cop was being a bully simply because he was the one with the gun and the handcuffs.

Now, as for Gates? Calling the cop racist was completely legal, but not very bright. In the same way, you wouldn't go up to a gang of thugs and tell them to fark themselves. It's entirely legal, but not very bright.
But there's the problem. To quote Digby, we shouldn't have to make the same calculations about how to behave with police as we would with armed criminals.
 
2009-07-27 03:17:48 PM
OlafTheBent: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... **cough... WMD's... cough**

bait n switch

/ all the libs got
// besides socialism
/// debate cannot stand the light of day
 
2009-07-27 03:18:07 PM
PascalsGhost: CBR ME ASAP: PascalsGhost: Cat Food Sandwiches: elchip: Cat Food Sandwiches: When?

Okay, my bad, he said that he chose his words poorly, and didn't mean to malign the Cambridge Police Department or Officer Crowley, he says that the police probably overreacted, but so did Gates, and he called Officer Crowley and apparently had a friendly conversation.

So what do you want, blood?

No, I like it when Democrats perpetuate the belief that they are weak on Defense and Law Enforcement.

By pointing out that no law was broke and the cop was wrong to arrest him?

I'm glad you know the law better than the police.

They dropped the charges. No law was broken. Am I wrong?


soy_bomb: PascalsGhost: How did Gates violate the law and why were any charges dropped?

He was charged with disorderly conduct. Later the charges were dropped. Maybe with your G.E.D. in law, you can explain why. I guess you are just shocked in history of our legal system that this is the first instance where someone has been arrested and later the charges were dropped.

If the cop was correct in arresting him, why were they so quick to drop the charges? Why is he being charged with NOTHING.

Do people usually get arrested for a valid reason and then get the charges dropped immediately even before court?

Admit it. The cop was wrong. They immediately dropped the charges.


soy_bomb: Deucednuisance: He violated no law until he was outside. I object to the repeated accusation that Gates "followed" him outside, as if it was his idea, alone. Officer had established no break-in had taken place, and simply should have left, without the "Would you care to continue to yell at me outside"? I've said it be fore, Gates acted like a douche, but there was no need for the officer to make the situation arrest-worthy.

Unless the cop dragged Gates out of his home, the cop did nothing wrong. Gates made it an arrest-worthy situation.

Then why drop the charges? You still haven't given a reason.


Sometimes you have to arrest someone to keep the peace, even if they haven't technically broken the law. They even said it was JUDGEMENT CALL, and after review and probably a "Do you know how I am? I'm so gonna sue you" speech from Gate's lawyer, they decided it was in everyones best interest to drop the charges.
 
2009-07-27 03:18:18 PM
ghare: soy_bomb: Deucednuisance: The officer's own report states repeatedly that he invited Mr. Gates to join him outside.

So if a cop invites you outside, it give you the right to violate the law?

???Being in your own home and telling the police to fark off is not violating the law.


Nope, but stepping outside and causing a ruckus is a violation of the law.
 
2009-07-27 03:18:46 PM
TigerStar: Medicare works. I have never heard anyone say that Medicare is like getting healthcare from the DWV.



OH REALLY!?

Holes in the safety net: Medicaid falls short just as some need it most

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32127373/ns/us_news-the_elkhart_project/
 
2009-07-27 03:18:55 PM
7of7: KaponoFor3: They chose this as one of the questions. That has to be a political miscalculation (albeit a rare one) for his administration.

"When President Obama called on me, he had no idea what I would be asking. I had not written or blogged about the Gates incident, so no one in the White House had any clue that I was particularly interested in Obama's reaction. (new window)"


"These aren't the droids you're looking for"

From the interview with ROBERT GIBBS Whitehouse Press Secretary:

BAIER: Presidents, before prime time news conferences, usually have detailed preparation sessions. And President Obama has already had four time prime time news conferences.

Before Wednesday's news conference, did you prepare him for a question about Henry Gates' arrest in Cambridge?

GIBBS: Well, look, let's just say, it's safe to say we went over a whole lot of topics that we thought might come up, and certainly, this was a topic that was and has been in the news.

I think the president, on Friday, spoke about the fact that he hadn't calibrated his words well probably unnecessarily added to the media frenzy around what was going on in Cambridge, so much so that even the police officer, Sergeant Crowley, that he talked to, from Cambridge, asked him for advice on how to get the press off of his - off of his lawn, and the president said, "I'm trying to figure out how to get the press off my lawn, too."
 
2009-07-27 03:19:12 PM
PascalsGhost: CBR ME ASAP: PascalsGhost: Cat Food Sandwiches: elchip: Cat Food Sandwiches: When?

Okay, my bad, he said that he chose his words poorly, and didn't mean to malign the Cambridge Police Department or Officer Crowley, he says that the police probably overreacted, but so did Gates, and he called Officer Crowley and apparently had a friendly conversation.

So what do you want, blood?

No, I like it when Democrats perpetuate the belief that they are weak on Defense and Law Enforcement.

By pointing out that no law was broke and the cop was wrong to arrest him?

I'm glad you know the law better than the police.

They dropped the charges. No law was broken. Am I wrong?


soy_bomb: PascalsGhost: How did Gates violate the law and why were any charges dropped?

He was charged with disorderly conduct. Later the charges were dropped. Maybe with your G.E.D. in law, you can explain why. I guess you are just shocked in history of our legal system that this is the first instance where someone has been arrested and later the charges were dropped.

If the cop was correct in arresting him, why were they so quick to drop the charges? Why is he being charged with NOTHING.

Do people usually get arrested for a valid reason and then get the charges dropped immediately even before court?

Admit it. The cop was wrong. They immediately dropped the charges.


soy_bomb: Deucednuisance: He violated no law until he was outside. I object to the repeated accusation that Gates "followed" him outside, as if it was his idea, alone. Officer had established no break-in had taken place, and simply should have left, without the "Would you care to continue to yell at me outside"? I've said it be fore, Gates acted like a douche, but there was no need for the officer to make the situation arrest-worthy.

Unless the cop dragged Gates out of his home, the cop did nothing wrong. Gates made it an arrest-worthy situation.

Then why drop the charges? You still haven't given a reason.


They dropped the charges to clear up the media mess.
 
MIU
2009-07-27 03:19:23 PM
Nabb1: It's his own fault for not stopping after admitting that he didn't know all the facts and that he might be biased because he knew Gates. I agree the matter had no relevance to the topic at hand whatsoever, but Obama should have left it with those two points and moved on.

Agreed. He shouldn't have waded in, should have known the media would run with it rather than the important topic at hand.
 
2009-07-27 03:20:07 PM
Egalitarian: I love the number of Farkers who think racial profiling of black people is a total myth.

My (middle class, law-abiding, dark-skinned) coworkers who get passed up for taxis and are followed around in stores would disagree with you.

\yes Gates overreacted but that doesn't mean the neighbor lady and the cop didn't overreact either


Well, maybe when Gates' house really is being robbed, she'll do teh right thing & not call the cops next time. It would serve the jackass right...especially if it was a black guy robbing the house. LOL
 
2009-07-27 03:20:35 PM
palladiate: Right, because arresting a rather famous local professor in his own home for a charge that has no chance of being prosecuted, you did something very un-stupid.

When will you step down, Obama? When?


Gates should be prosecuted for a hate crime
 
2009-07-27 03:20:44 PM
This thread has made me dumberer.
 
2009-07-27 03:20:44 PM
Stinkyy: " The current climate is perfectly symbolized by the recent Gates incident where it was not the crazy behavior of Gates that was considered abnormal and "stupid", but reflexively that of the police officer diligently perfoming his duty."
- Redhawk


What law was the officer enforcing and why were the charges dropped?
 
2009-07-27 03:20:57 PM
Theaetetus: CBR ME ASAP: The charges were dropped because the police knew the media would have even more of a field day if the ticket stuck.

No, the charges were dropped to avoid the inevitable dismissal with prejudice and civil suit for false arrest under 42 USC 1983.


You can prove that as much as I can prove that they were dropped to stop the media circus. Only difference is my theory is probably correct and you are just being an obtuse ass spelunker.
 
2009-07-27 03:21:07 PM
CBR ME ASAP: They dropped the charges to clear up the media mess.

And you know this, how, exactly?

Why is that a more compelling explanation than "Whoops, this was a bad collar"?
 
2009-07-27 03:21:20 PM
CBR ME ASAP: He was charged with disorderly conduct. RTFA.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Yeah RTFA.

What happened to those charges there perry mason ?

Oh thats right the charges were dropped.
 
2009-07-27 03:21:21 PM
Harry Freakstorm: Please clear this up: If a policeman asks you for identification do you have to provide it? I thought the police could hold you for 24 hours or until your identity is confirmed.

From my experience, in Pennsylvania, the police may arrest you if you refuse to identify yourself. They'll take you downtown, identify you, and then make a note of your asshole behavior so they can nail you the next time you so much as only stop for .9 seconds at the stop sign.

Gates correct response would be to identify himself, tell the officer what happened, go to bed. he chose to make a scene to advance his agenda, and vindicate his feelings that he is a victim of society. A seemingly educated person reacts with all the ignorance that is usually reserved for religious people.
 
2009-07-27 03:21:58 PM
PascalsGhost: Stinkyy: " The current climate is perfectly symbolized by the recent Gates incident where it was not the crazy behavior of Gates that was considered abnormal and "stupid", but reflexively that of the police officer diligently perfoming his duty."
- Redhawk

What law was the officer enforcing and why were the charges dropped?


We've answered those questions atleast 4 or 5 times now, i suggest you actually read replies instead of copypasting your question to every post that is against you.
 
2009-07-27 03:22:02 PM
jpbreon: I don't think the cop did anything wrong, and I generally dislike police.

The cop should be suing Gates for defamation of character. We've all been in a similar situation; you've been traveling, you finally get home, realize you don't have a key and have to force the door. You're pissed off, tired, and the next thing you know, the police show up.

So, you vent on the officer and he doesn't like it; he is coming to assist you, and secure your property. He leaves your home, and you continue to insult him and comment on his family, get arrested, and then play the victim.

Gates is trash. To think this guy is spreading his hate to bright minds is really scary.


THIS.
 
2009-07-27 03:22:11 PM
CBR ME ASAP: Theaetetus: CBR ME ASAP: The charges were dropped because the police knew the media would have even more of a field day if the ticket stuck.

No, the charges were dropped to avoid the inevitable dismissal with prejudice and civil suit for false arrest under 42 USC 1983.

You can prove that as much as I can prove that they were dropped to stop the media circus. Only difference is my theory is probably correct and you are just being an obtuse ass spelunker.


And with that ad hominem, all of your arguments are discredited. Good jorb.
 
2009-07-27 03:23:02 PM
glassa: Egalitarian: I love the number of Farkers who think racial profiling of black people is a total myth.

My (middle class, law-abiding, dark-skinned) coworkers who get passed up for taxis and are followed around in stores would disagree with you.

\yes Gates overreacted but that doesn't mean the neighbor lady and the cop didn't overreact either

Well, maybe when Gates' house really is being robbed, she'll do teh right thing & not call the cops next time. It would serve the jackass right...especially if it was a black guy robbing the house. LOL


Oh I would just die.
 
2009-07-27 03:23:05 PM
WaltzingMathilda: Nabb1: Release of tapes may contain "angry rants." (new window)

angry ranting in your home - an arrestable offense.


He did not comply with a reasonable request and was combative and disrespectful.
You try that BS and see where it gets you.

Only wish the next time someone is breaking in the cops have better things to do
 
2009-07-27 03:23:16 PM
Phil Herup: I have been saying this for months. Every time something bad happens, you can expect something like this.

1. Speaker Pelosi calls the CIA a bunch of liars, creating a huge national outrage (deservedly), people call for her head. So the Obama/Axlerod/Emmanuel team announces the Sotomayor nomination early.

Result... Sotomayor outrage trumps Pelosi outrage


2. Obama's ill-thought health care reform is met with massive criticism and backlash. Obama/Axlerod/Emmanuel team has staged "press conference" with final question about racial profiling and Professor Gates/Police debacle. Obama still gaffes it.

Result....Racism outrage trumps press coverage of massive fail of Obamacare bill.


The politics of distraction.


Waiting for the next chapter.


Replacing a legislative fiasco story with one that makes you look like an idiot isn't what I'd call a sound PR strategy.
 
2009-07-27 03:23:40 PM
palladiate: Hollywood Cole: He knows those tapes will make him look like the fool he is.

You may be onto something, you should probably let the university know that they've tenured a fool. I can't imagine Harvard wanting to keep a fool on staff.


HA! Just because he is tenured mean he can't be a fool? So Ward Churchill isn't fool.
 
2009-07-27 03:23:57 PM
A bunch of ignorant partisans butchering media theory for their own home-spun ends. Who's farking eyes are averted annyway? And who's eyes are averted that are actually credible and who's business is healthcare reform??

The only people who are distracted by it couldn't care less either way, have no say in the matter, and only view any of this stuff as mere entertainment.
 
2009-07-27 03:24:52 PM
CBR ME ASAP: They dropped the charges to clear up the media mess.

Yeah everybody knows that.

Just like when "everybody" knew there were WMDs in Iraq.
 
2009-07-27 03:25:07 PM
CBR ME ASAP: Gates is trash. To think this guy is spreading his hate to bright minds is really scary.

THIS.


Well, I think we've answered the question of "Bad Collar" versus "stop publicity". You display animus toward the defendant.

If this were going to trial and you were in the jury pool, I'd move to have you dismissed for cause.
 
2009-07-27 03:25:16 PM
PascalsGhost: CBR ME ASAP: PascalsGhost: Cat Food Sandwiches: elchip: Cat Food Sandwiches: When?

Okay, my bad, he said that he chose his words poorly, and didn't mean to malign the Cambridge Police Department or Officer Crowley, he says that the police probably overreacted, but so did Gates, and he called Officer Crowley and apparently had a friendly conversation.

So what do you want, blood?

No, I like it when Democrats perpetuate the belief that they are weak on Defense and Law Enforcement.

By pointing out that no law was broke and the cop was wrong to arrest him?

I'm glad you know the law better than the police.

They dropped the charges. No law was broken. Am I wrong?


soy_bomb: PascalsGhost: How did Gates violate the law and why were any charges dropped?

He was charged with disorderly conduct. Later the charges were dropped. Maybe with your G.E.D. in law, you can explain why. I guess you are just shocked in history of our legal system that this is the first instance where someone has been arrested and later the charges were dropped.

If the cop was correct in arresting him, why were they so quick to drop the charges? Why is he being charged with NOTHING.

Do people usually get arrested for a valid reason and then get the charges dropped immediately even before court?

Admit it. The cop was wrong. They immediately dropped the charges.


soy_bomb: Deucednuisance: He violated no law until he was outside. I object to the repeated accusation that Gates "followed" him outside, as if it was his idea, alone. Officer had established no break-in had taken place, and simply should have left, without the "Would you care to continue to yell at me outside"? I've said it be fore, Gates acted like a douche, but there was no need for the officer to make the situation arrest-worthy.

Unless the cop dragged Gates out of his home, the cop did nothing wrong. Gates made it an arrest-worthy situation.

Then why drop the charges? You still haven't given a reason.


There are differences in making an arrest, filing charges, and being charged with a crime. Police officers can make an arrest, and the the department/attorney's office can not pursue the charges or have them dropped, or they can file charges and those charges can be fought via the legal system.
 
2009-07-27 03:25:55 PM
soy_bomb: Bob16: What law did Gates break

How about this. Have your neighbor call 911 and report a break in to your house, when the cops arrive, refuse to provide ID, explain to them in elevated tone that you would like to speak to their mother outside, finally provide an ID that does not list your address, when the cops tell you that they will no longer listen to you inside your house, follow them outside screaming at them in full view of your other neighbors causing a disturbance and lets see what happens. Report back your findings and maybe we can see the "Smoking Gun" link on Fark.

/Maybe the cops will provide you a teachable moment


And what law would they be enforcing and why did they drop the charges?


Well I use Mac/Linux...: For the millionth farking time, HE WAS NOT ARRESTED INSIDE HIS HOUSE. Why don't you retards read one farking article about this story before you comment on it. "OMG, NOW IT IS A CRIME TO GET UPSET AND UNRULY IN YOUR OWN HOME!!!" No, dumbass, but it IS a crime to get unruly outside of your home, IN PUBLIC. For fark's sake.

Why were they immediately dropped?


zippolight2002: PascalsGhost: CBR ME ASAP: PascalsGhost: Cat Food Sandwiches: elchip: Cat Food Sandwiches: When?

Okay, my bad, he said that he chose his words poorly, and didn't mean to malign the Cambridge Police Department or Officer Crowley, he says that the police probably overreacted, but so did Gates, and he called Officer Crowley and apparently had a friendly conversation.

So what do you want, blood?

No, I like it when Democrats perpetuate the belief that they are weak on Defense and Law Enforcement.

By pointing out that no law was broke and the cop was wrong to arrest him?

I'm glad you know the law better than the police.

They dropped the charges. No law was broken. Am I wrong?


soy_bomb: PascalsGhost: How did Gates violate the law and why were any charges dropped?

He was charged with disorderly conduct. Later the charges were dropped. Maybe with your G.E.D. in law, you can explain why. I guess you are just shocked in history of our legal system that this is the first instance where someone has been arrested and later the charges were dropped.

If the cop was correct in arresting him, why were they so quick to drop the charges? Why is he being charged with NOTHING.

Do people usually get arrested for a valid reason and then get the charges dropped immediately even before court?

Admit it. The cop was wrong. They immediately dropped the charges.


soy_bomb: Deucednuisance: He violated no law until he was outside. I object to the repeated accusation that Gates "followed" him outside, as if it was his idea, alone. Officer had established no break-in had taken place, and simply should have left, without the "Would you care to continue to yell at me outside"? I've said it be fore, Gates acted like a douche, but there was no need for the officer to make the situation arrest-worthy.

Unless the cop dragged Gates out of his home, the cop did nothing wrong. Gates made it an arrest-worthy situation.

Then why drop the charges? You still haven't given a reason.

Sometimes you have to arrest someone to keep the peace, even if they haven't technically broken the law.


This is 100% unequivocally false and illegal. You are full of shiat and completely fail at America 101. This is by far the dumbest post in this dumb thread. WOW.



They even said it was JUDGEMENT CALL, and after review and probably a "Do you know how I am? I'm so gonna sue you" speech from Gate's lawyer, they decided it was in everyones best interest to drop the charges.

If he broke the law, there is no way he could sue and win. be tossed right out.


CBR ME ASAP: PascalsGhost: CBR ME ASAP: PascalsGhost: Cat Food Sandwiches: elchip: Cat Food Sandwiches: When?

Okay, my bad, he said that he chose his words poorly, and didn't mean to malign the Cambridge Police Department or Officer Crowley, he says that the police probably overreacted, but so did Gates, and he called Officer Crowley and apparently had a friendly conversation.

So what do you want, blood?

No, I like it when Democrats perpetuate the belief that they are weak on Defense and Law Enforcement.

By pointing out that no law was broke and the cop was wrong to arrest him?

I'm glad you know the law better than the police.

They dropped the charges. No law was broken. Am I wrong?


soy_bomb: PascalsGhost: How did Gates violate the law and why were any charges dropped?

He was charged with disorderly conduct. Later the charges were dropped. Maybe with your G.E.D. in law, you can explain why. I guess you are just shocked in history of our legal system that this is the first instance where someone has been arrested and later the charges were dropped.

If the cop was correct in arresting him, why were they so quick to drop the charges? Why is he being charged with NOTHING.

Do people usually get arrested for a valid reason and then get the charges dropped immediately even before court?

Admit it. The cop was wrong. They immediately dropped the charges.


soy_bomb: Deucednuisance: He violated no law until he was outside. I object to the repeated accusation that Gates "followed" him outside, as if it was his idea, alone. Officer had established no break-in had taken place, and simply should have left, without the "Would you care to continue to yell at me outside"? I've said it be fore, Gates acted like a douche, but there was no need for the officer to make the situation arrest-worthy.

Unless the cop dragged Gates out of his home, the cop did nothing wrong. Gates made it an arrest-worthy situation.

Then why drop the charges? You still haven't given a reason.

They dropped the charges to clear up the media mess.


They dropped them long before the Obama media mess. And the law is the law, why drop the charges if he broke the law?

Can't you just admit he didn't or point to the law he broke?
 
2009-07-27 03:26:52 PM
keylock71: What a farce...

Gates acted like a jackass, which isn't crime.

Once Gates provided ID, the officer should have said "Good day, sorry for the inconvenience. Here's the Cambridge Police's phone number if you'd like to file a complaint."


Dude, I don't care if Gates insulted every living and deceased member of the cop's family for five generations and cursed his yet-unborn multitudes of offspring, invoking Yahweh, Mohammed, Jesus, the FSM, Xenu, Joe Pesci, and KwanzaaBot in the process - if he did it before showing ID or after, on his front porch or in the front hallway, at midnight or noon, black or white.

Cops. Do. Not. Get. To. Arrest. You. For. Insulting. Them.

// power-tripping behind a badge is way more of an issue than racial profiling
// not specifically addressing you
 
2009-07-27 03:26:53 PM
Hollywood Cole: palladiate: Hollywood Cole: He knows those tapes will make him look like the fool he is.

You may be onto something, you should probably let the university know that they've tenured a fool. I can't imagine Harvard wanting to keep a fool on staff.

HA! Just because he is tenured mean he can't be a fool? So Ward Churchill isn't fool.



Ward Churchill wasn't a good example.

He has a lot of interesting things to say. Not the little Eichman stuff.
 
2009-07-27 03:27:15 PM
Hollywood Cole: palladiate: Hollywood Cole: He knows those tapes will make him look like the fool he is.

You may be onto something, you should probably let the university know that they've tenured a fool. I can't imagine Harvard wanting to keep a fool on staff.

HA! Just because he is tenured means he can't be a fool? So Ward Churchill isn't fool?


EGADS! I have made some typos in this post.
 
2009-07-27 03:27:42 PM
Well I use Mac/Linux...: glassa: Egalitarian: I love the number of Farkers who think racial profiling of black people is a total myth.

My (middle class, law-abiding, dark-skinned) coworkers who get passed up for taxis and are followed around in stores would disagree with you.

\yes Gates overreacted but that doesn't mean the neighbor lady and the cop didn't overreact either

Well, maybe when Gates' house really is being robbed, she'll do teh right thing & not call the cops next time. It would serve the jackass right...especially if it was a black guy robbing the house. LOL

Oh I would just die.


He's kinda asking for it, dont' you think?
 
2009-07-27 03:27:58 PM
CBR ME ASAP: Theaetetus: CBR ME ASAP: The charges were dropped because the police knew the media would have even more of a field day if the ticket stuck.

No, the charges were dropped to avoid the inevitable dismissal with prejudice and civil suit for false arrest under 42 USC 1983.

You can prove that as much as I can prove that they were dropped to stop the media circus. Only difference is my theory is probably correct and you are just being an obtuse ass spelunker.


Nope. They just make the media circus worse on them by dropping them. It doesn't work this way. Just pull the cop's cock out of your mouth long enough to admit the cop was wrong. It'll feel good.


Silovik: PascalsGhost: CBR ME ASAP: PascalsGhost: Cat Food Sandwiches: elchip: Cat Food Sandwiches: When?

Okay, my bad, he said that he chose his words poorly, and didn't mean to malign the Cambridge Police Department or Officer Crowley, he says that the police probably overreacted, but so did Gates, and he called Officer Crowley and apparently had a friendly conversation.

So what do you want, blood?

No, I like it when Democrats perpetuate the belief that they are weak on Defense and Law Enforcement.

By pointing out that no law was broke and the cop was wrong to arrest him?

I'm glad you know the law better than the police.

They dropped the charges. No law was broken. Am I wrong?


soy_bomb: PascalsGhost: How did Gates violate the law and why were any charges dropped?

He was charged with disorderly conduct. Later the charges were dropped. Maybe with your G.E.D. in law, you can explain why. I guess you are just shocked in history of our legal system that this is the first instance where someone has been arrested and later the charges were dropped.

If the cop was correct in arresting him, why were they so quick to drop the charges? Why is he being charged with NOTHING.

Do people usually get arrested for a valid reason and then get the charges dropped immediately even before court?

Admit it. The cop was wrong. They immediately dropped the charges.


soy_bomb: Deucednuisance: He violated no law until he was outside. I object to the repeated accusation that Gates "followed" him outside, as if it was his idea, alone. Officer had established no break-in had taken place, and simply should have left, without the "Would you care to continue to yell at me outside"? I've said it be fore, Gates acted like a douche, but there was no need for the officer to make the situation arrest-worthy.

Unless the cop dragged Gates out of his home, the cop did nothing wrong. Gates made it an arrest-worthy situation.

Then why drop the charges? You still haven't given a reason.

There are differences in making an arrest, filing charges, and being charged with a crime. Police officers can make an arrest, and the the department/attorney's office can not pursue the charges or have them dropped, or they can file charges and those charges can be fought via the legal system.


And what usually dictates whether charges are filed? Because the attorney's office saw no crime.
 
2009-07-27 03:28:04 PM
Theaetetus: jpbreon: The cop should be suing Gates for defamation of character.

Really? Let's see what the public opinion of the cop is:
I don't think the cop did anything wrong, and I generally dislike police.

Right, suit dismissed.

We've all been in a similar situation; you've been traveling, you finally get home, realize you don't have a key [he had a key, the door swelled in the humidity] and have to force the door. You're pissed off, tired, and the next thing you know, the police show up.

So, you vent on the officer and he doesn't like it; he is coming to assist you, and secure your property.

Yep, and you give him your ID and he realizes you are in the residence lawfully. He is careful to later note this in his police report, in fact.
However, he's annoyed that you're venting at him. So he calls for backup from the Harvard police after seeing your Harvard ID. He's also careful to note that this occurs after he determines you're in the residence lawfully.
He then repeatedly asks you to step outside while you ask him for identification. Once you do, he immediately arrests you for disorderly conduct in a public place - your front porch.

See, 'round here we say that cop was acting stupid. If we wanted to be more specific, we say that cop was being a bully simply because he was the one with the gun and the handcuffs.

Now, as for Gates? Calling the cop racist was completely legal, but not very bright. In the same way, you wouldn't go up to a gang of thugs and tell them to fark themselves. It's entirely legal, but not very bright.
But there's the problem. To quote Digby, we shouldn't have to make the same calculations about how to behave with police as we would with armed criminals.


All would be moot if you simply acted with a cool head. This is why I would never be a cop; people think if they taunt police and they respond, you are now a victim. Gates is a victim of water in the air, and air between his ears.

It's weel known when you fark around with the police, try to give them a hard time, they do the same in return. You have the right to be an asshole, and you have the obligation to endure the results of being one.

The police do not bait people who are calm, and not swearing at the officer, or making remarks about the officer's mother. All I see here is a person who went looking for a fight get one.
 
2009-07-27 03:28:29 PM
I wish I could find an old political cartoon titled, "George Stevens' Day" that ran here in San Diego. Stevens was a hotheaded City Councilman who was always accusing people of racism. The cartoon had his day filled with him biatching about a "racist pen" that ran out of ink, "racist traffic" that got in his way, etc. Very funny and made me think of this Henry Louis Gates guy.
 
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