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(Wall Street Journal)   The Department of Energy, responsible for giving the United States handy tips on conserving energy, fails an energy audit. Again   (blogs.wsj.com) divider line 86
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2009-07-24 11:04:10 AM  
Power corrupts.
 
2009-07-24 11:04:28 AM  
Meh. The department of energy has not produced one erg, one BTU, since its inception.
 
2009-07-24 11:05:05 AM  
I'm gonna go ahead and guess that most buildings (business, residential, industrial, etc) in the US would fail an energy audit.
 
2009-07-24 11:05:41 AM  
Guys, hypocrisy is just proof that the Department of Energy has standards.
 
2009-07-24 11:05:44 AM  
The Department of Energy's job is not to give the US tips on conserving energy. Its job is to obfuscate the cost of maintaining a nuclear arsenal from the public.
 
2009-07-24 11:05:51 AM  
time to trust Government

so just how is that Stimulus working? Government?
 
2009-07-24 11:05:53 AM  
Not news. Anyone who's ever worked at a government agency knows facilities management has the lowest priority on budgets.

Hell, the FCC had rotary phones at many of their DC offices through the late 80's.
 
2009-07-24 11:05:58 AM  
Watts up with this? I'm shocked.
 
2009-07-24 11:06:34 AM  
Cinaed: I'm gonna go ahead and guess that most buildings (business, residential, industrial, etc) in the US would fail an energy audit.

I'm not sure I know what point you're trying to make.
 
2009-07-24 11:07:56 AM  
Why the hell is there even a department of energy?

Oh, that's right. Thanks Carter.
 
2009-07-24 11:08:24 AM  
Volts the matter with those guys!?
 
2009-07-24 11:08:57 AM  
schattenteufel: Power corrupts.

|Power| corrupts absolutely.
 
2009-07-24 11:09:22 AM  
Just slap an EnergyStar sticker on the building. Problem solved.
 
2009-07-24 11:09:52 AM  
Do as I say, not as I do..

Should be the motto of the government.

Somebody already pointed out, it's not their money, like they could give two shiats if they are wasting it.
 
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2009-07-24 11:10:02 AM  
I believe the buildings they're in are from the 30s and 40s as well.

And what's the emphasis on 'again' for?
 
2009-07-24 11:10:21 AM  
Could we expect anything different? If we were talking about the department of state, we'd have two different war threats and a possible third.
 
2009-07-24 11:10:24 AM  
Look another Government agency not doing what it was setup to do !!!

And some people think the government should run health care?????
 
2009-07-24 11:12:52 AM  
schattenteufel:

Power corrupts.

10's 2.
 
2009-07-24 11:13:24 AM  
gypc8: Look another Government agency not doing what it was setup to do !!!

And some people think the government should run health care?????


It'll be different this time....
 
2009-07-24 11:14:46 AM  
gypc8: And some people think the government should run health care?????

I'm not certain it would be worse than what we currently have, sad to say.
 
2009-07-24 11:16:31 AM  
jack21221: gypc8: And some people think the government should run health care?????

I'm not certain it would be worse than what we currently have, sad to say.


I don't understand the problem with the one we have.
 
2009-07-24 11:17:51 AM  
DarthBrooks: Not news. Anyone who's ever worked at a government agency knows facilities management has the lowest priority on budgets.

We don't do any govt. work, but I believe that would fall under GSA. But from experience working with most of the university and larger hospital systems around here, it's true that infrastructure is among the lowest priorities. The term of art if "deferred maintenance", and it means anytime some construction/renovation project does get funded, facilities will come along with their laundry list of improvements that need to be made in parallel, and turn a $250K project into a $1.5 million project.
 
2009-07-24 11:18:25 AM  
gypc8: jack21221: gypc8: And some people think the government should run health care?????

I'm not certain it would be worse than what we currently have, sad to say.

I don't understand the problem with the one we have.


obviously the problem is that the Goverment doesnt run it. It's not about improving anything it's about expansion of powers.
 
2009-07-24 11:19:12 AM  
I'm sitting in a power plant control room, so I'm getting a kick...


/alright, i'll gbtw.
 
2009-07-24 11:19:25 AM  
I would post some kind of clever or sarcastic remark about this article but I just don't have the energy right now.
 
2009-07-24 11:21:56 AM  
Mental_Knife: I would post some kind of clever or sarcastic remark about this article but I just don't have the energy right now.

Does that make you lazy or 'Green'?
 
2009-07-24 11:23:51 AM  
I blame the Energy Czar. IF we don't have one then I blame Obama.
 
2009-07-24 11:28:57 AM  
Ah, government. Is there anything it can do?

/correctly
 
2009-07-24 11:31:06 AM  
gypc8: jack21221: gypc8: And some people think the government should run health care?????

I'm not certain it would be worse than what we currently have, sad to say.

I don't understand the problem with the one we have.


That's because you have coverage.

Joking aside, my only beef with the current system is that the rates for our company have gone up 10 - 25% each year for the last 5 years. I'm now paying double this year compared to last for less coverage. As a company, we are aging, with the younger people starting families and the older... getting older. At least in Pennsylvania, there is little to no competition between the "blues", and a lot of places still do not accept Aetna.

Other than that, it's great.
 
2009-07-24 11:33:06 AM  
gypc8: I don't understand the problem with the one we have.

First, insurance companies can flat out break their contracts, and it takes a lot of time, money, and often lawyering to get them to stand up to their side of the bargain. I witnessed this first-hand when my sister was in intensive care. Insurance said they weren't going to pay for it because of a billing dispute a few months back that was cleared up almost immediately. Later on, the insurance company dragged their feet in paying for a wheelchair, and then didn't want to pay for outpatient rehab. We had to wait for the state of Maryland to step in.

Second, it creates a middle man to siphon a bunch of money out of the system, and creates a situation where the insurance company bottom line determines how much health care they're willing to pay for without a fight.

Thirdly, the ubiquity of insurance has caused doctors and hospitals to jack up their prices to unreasonable levels for people who opt to not have insurance. That's where you get things like 200 dollar asprins.

Fourthly, many people who don't have insurance and don't care about their credit rating will get treatment from a hospital, and the hospital will have to find other ways to get their money, also leading to 200 dollar asprins for those of us that just want to pay cash.

As a corollary to four, the level of care of those that can't afford to pay is well below that of people who can pay. Sure, they'll do the bare minimum to keep you alive, but rehabilitation and therapy, for example, won't be done.

Fifthly, even health insurance doesn't protect people from having their lives ruined by medical debt. Here is a quote from the Washington Post:
Link (new window)

Sixty-two percent of all bankruptcies filed in 2007 were linked to medical expenses, according to a nationwide study released today by the American Journal of Medicine. That's nearly 20 percentage points higher than that pool of respondents reported were connected to medical costs in 2001.

Of those who filed for bankruptcy in 2007, nearly 80 percent had health insurance.


Emphasis mine.

For all of these reasons, the current system is broken, and it's more expensive than when the "evil gubmint" runs it in other countries.

While no system is perfect, I think our current one is pretty FUBAR.
 
2009-07-24 11:35:16 AM  
phlegmmo: Ah, government. Is there anything it can do?

/correctly


I can send a letter from one side of the country to the other for 44 cents. If you don't think this is a good thing, try sending letters in other countries! In Argentina, you will be lucky if a small letter even makes it there.
 
2009-07-24 11:36:24 AM  
Al Gore at this very moment is having his jet warmed up so he can go give The Department of Energy a piece of his mind.
 
2009-07-24 11:38:19 AM  
Instead of learning from mistakes and striving to make things better, we should just declare government sucks and not do anything ever.
 
2009-07-24 11:41:53 AM  
Car_Ramrod: Instead of learning from mistakes and striving to make things better, we should just declare government sucks and not do anything ever.

I think that is what Obama want's. More people getting a free ride like him.
But at some point the system wiil implode like his economics plan!
 
2009-07-24 11:44:21 AM  
Ah the Government. These are the people some of us believe can run an efficient health insurance option, and trust to spend billions in stimulus "correctly".

I don't think I'd trust them to run a local bake sale.
 
2009-07-24 11:45:56 AM  
3_Butt_Cheeks: Ah the Government. These are the people some of us believe can run an efficient health insurance option, and trust to spend billions in stimulus "correctly".

I don't think I'd trust them to run a local bake sale.


Do you trust them to run the military?
 
2009-07-24 11:48:41 AM  
Ahhh, internet, how I love you.

Article: Old buildings have old HVAC and desk employees leave their computers on.

Thread: WHAARRGARRBL!!!!1
 
2009-07-24 11:49:10 AM  
....and couple this with the Department of Homeland Security always failing their network and data security audit (it's their job to make sure other departments don't fail that audit) and you have proof that a large, national bureaucracy is a colossal waste of effort, money, and time.
 
2009-07-24 11:49:30 AM  
3_Butt_Cheeks: Ah the Government. These are the people some of us believe can run an efficient health insurance option, and trust to spend billions in stimulus "correctly".

I don't think I'd trust them to run a local bake sale.


Oh, they'd run the bake sale fine. They'd just have trouble folding up the tables and chairs at the end of the night.

It's hard getting all of your employees to change their behavior and start doing things like... shutting down your system ALL the way, turning off the monitor, etc.
 
2009-07-24 11:52:02 AM  
Thrakkerzog: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Ah the Government. These are the people some of us believe can run an efficient health insurance option, and trust to spend billions in stimulus "correctly".

I don't think I'd trust them to run a local bake sale.

Do you trust them to run the military?


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2009-07-24 11:55:44 AM  
Damnhippyfreak: Thrakkerzog: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Ah the Government. These are the people some of us believe can run an efficient health insurance option, and trust to spend billions in stimulus "correctly".

I don't think I'd trust them to run a local bake sale.

Do you trust them to run the military?


They fund the military. Commanders on the ground and at basic "run" the military, along with the joint chiefs.

Yes, POTUS makes the final say, but doesn't "run" the military.
 
2009-07-24 11:59:26 AM  
DarthBrooks: Hell, the FCC had rotary phones at many of their DC offices through the late 80's.

If you lived somewhere where power outages were common you would know why this is a good idea.
 
2009-07-24 12:01:54 PM  
3_Butt_Cheeks: Damnhippyfreak: Thrakkerzog: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Ah the Government. These are the people some of us believe can run an efficient health insurance option, and trust to spend billions in stimulus "correctly".

I don't think I'd trust them to run a local bake sale.

Do you trust them to run the military?

They fund the military. Commanders on the ground and at basic "run" the military, along with the joint chiefs.

Yes, POTUS makes the final say, but doesn't "run" the military.


You could make the exact same argument about the department of energy.
 
2009-07-24 12:02:01 PM  
When they go out and buy $350 million airplanes that can't get wet while the troops don't have appropriate body armor?

Yep, that's a great 'running of the military'.

Unfortunately, there isn't much choice on who runs the military.
 
2009-07-24 12:02:42 PM  
Yeah but at least they answer the phone when you call them.
 
2009-07-24 12:03:53 PM  
Thrakkerzog: phlegmmo: Ah, government. Is there anything it can do?

/correctly

I can send a letter from one side of the country to the other for 44 cents. If you don't think this is a good thing, try sending letters in other countries! In Argentina, you will be lucky if a small letter even makes it there.


This is the best you can come up with? Seriously? The USPO will be going the way of the dinosaur. Its losing money now and will only get worse as people embrace technology more. But I'm sure that the Fed gov't will continue to support its existence. Why not bring back lamplighters and town criers while they're at it.
 
2009-07-24 12:06:46 PM  
gypc8: Car_Ramrod: Instead of learning from mistakes and striving to make things better, we should just declare government sucks and not do anything ever.

I think that is what Obama want's. More people getting a free ride like him.
But at some point the system wiil implode like his economics plan!


I know those words, but that post makes no sense.
 
2009-07-24 12:07:18 PM  
The original goal of the Dept. of Energy was to look for ways to avoid another energy crisis after the Arab oil embargo of the 1970s. I see they've done a bang-up job after 40 years of spending tax dollars.
 
2009-07-24 12:09:49 PM  
farm machine: Thrakkerzog: phlegmmo: Ah, government. Is there anything it can do?

/correctly

I can send a letter from one side of the country to the other for 44 cents. If you don't think this is a good thing, try sending letters in other countries! In Argentina, you will be lucky if a small letter even makes it there.

This is the best you can come up with? Seriously? The USPO will be going the way of the dinosaur. Its losing money now and will only get worse as people embrace technology more. But I'm sure that the Fed gov't will continue to support its existence. Why not bring back lamplighters and town criers while they're at it.


Who said anything about the best? I find it amazing that I can send a piece of paper from one side of the country to the other, for just 44 cents. Reliably.

I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the post office is not funded by the federal government and gets all revenue from postage.

As for going the way of the dinosaur, I doubt it. Not yet. Yes, personal letters are going away but the USPS ships packages all the time.
 
2009-07-24 12:09:58 PM  
bwogle: gypc8: jack21221: gypc8: And some people think the government should run health care?????

I'm not certain it would be worse than what we currently have, sad to say.

I don't understand the problem with the one we have.

obviously the problem is that the Goverment doesnt run it. It's not about improving anything it's about expansion of powers.


The problem is that people like me grew up without health insurance, and sometimes had to go without medication we needed. Ever try to sleep through an asthma attack because your mom couldn't afford a $20 inhaler?

No?

Then why am I not surprised you don't see a problem with the current system.
 
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