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2009-07-24 01:30:10 PM  

loki see loki do: eraser8: Swampthing in Korea: It depends on if the house-wife was causing a scene and being agressive after being asked to calm down.

Do you honestly believe that? Do you seriously believe there would be people defending the arrest of a white woman giving a bit of lip to a cop on her own property when the cop had established that no crimes had been committed? Really?


Remember the little old lady who was arrested for keepingthe neighbor kids footall, then giving the cops shiat until she got herself arrested?


That does it.
Cops are AGEISTS!
 
2009-07-24 01:30:34 PM  

angryjd: If you take race out of the story, it is quite uninteresting: A Harvard professor is uncooperative with a police officer who was validly called to the scene. The professor thinks he doesn't have to legally cooperate because he is in own house. Legally, he is incorrect.


Wow, can't even get the facts right.
 
2009-07-24 01:31:03 PM  

ILostMyPassword: I like to imagine what would hapen in Hannity of Beck were in Gates' position. They would have been equally idignant to the cop, but imagine the backlash if they got arrested - especially if it were a black cop.

For all you saying there's nothing to do with race or that he should have acted differently try to imagine that scenario, and think what they would be saying now.


"Its because I'm white, isn't it?"
 
2009-07-24 01:31:15 PM  
Simple to test this you Farktards,

stand on your porch, call the cops about suspicious actvity in your yard. When they arrive, scream racial insults, insult people's mothers, show your driver's licence and keep screaming, ignoring the police. See what happens. The President won't go to bat for you either. Hundred bucks says you will be arrested, and charges won't be dropped because you are not a black friend of the President.
 
2009-07-24 01:31:48 PM  

Thunderpipes: No, a crime had occured


No crime had occurred. A cop's feelings were hurt. So he decided to show Gates who was boss. The cop, as a professional, should simply have left the property. The disorderly conduct charge was a pretext.
 
2009-07-24 01:32:09 PM  

I_C_Weener: ILostMyPassword: I like to imagine what would hapen in Hannity of Beck were in Gates' position. They would have been equally idignant to the cop, but imagine the backlash if they got arrested - especially if it were a black cop.

For all you saying there's nothing to do with race or that he should have acted differently try to imagine that scenario, and think what they would be saying now.

"Its because I'm white, isn't it?"


We prefer the term Rhythmically-Challenged-Americans, sir!
 
2009-07-24 01:32:43 PM  

Thunderpipes: Simple to test this you Farktards,

stand on your porch, call the cops about suspicious actvity in your yard. When they arrive, scream racial insults, insult people's mothers, show your driver's licence and keep screaming, ignoring the police. See what happens. The President won't go to bat for you either. Hundred bucks says you will be arrested, and charges won't be dropped because you are not a black friend of the President.


You should volunteer, Redneck Barbie.
 
2009-07-24 01:32:55 PM  

icy_one: tbyte:
With the verbal argument I could favor either one, undecided. But as soon one places their hands on the other and makes them do something, that's when a line is crossed to me.

It's his job to place his hands on someone else - if someone had broken into Gates' house, would you advocate that person be arrested and put in a squad car? Or would we be having this discussion because Crowley touched him?


The use of, shall we say, compelling physical force and all it entails is the most extreme measure the state has at its disposal for controlling citizens. As such, it should only be used when there is no other option. I can't say for sure but I'd certainly bet that if the cops simply left, the situation would have diffused itself.
 
2009-07-24 01:33:52 PM  
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If you are a black man in the USA, apparently, you can get arrested for disorderly conduct in YOUR OWN HOUSE! WTF!! Liberty and Justice for ALL...my arse!
 
2009-07-24 01:33:57 PM  

eraser8: Thunderpipes: No, a crime had occured

No crime had occurred. A cop's feelings were hurt. So he decided to show Gates who was boss. The cop, as a professional, should simply have left the property. The disorderly conduct charge was a pretext.


Look up the definition of disorderly conduct you simpleton. A crime had occured.
 
2009-07-24 01:34:13 PM  

Thunderpipes: Simple to test this you Farktards,

stand on your porch, call the cops about suspicious actvity in your yard. When they arrive, scream racial insults, insult people's mothers, show your driver's licence and keep screaming, ignoring the police. See what happens. The President won't go to bat for you either. Hundred bucks says you will be arrested, and charges won't be dropped because you are not a black friend of the President.


that's because I called 911 for a false emergency which is an actual crime. Gates didn't call the police, some fretting housecoat wearing blue haired coont afraid of the nigras called the police on a man who was breaking no laws.
 
2009-07-24 01:34:28 PM  

Thunderpipes: Simple to test this you Farktards,

stand on your porch, call the cops about suspicious actvity in your yard. When they arrive, scream racial insults, insult people's mothers, show your driver's licence and keep screaming, ignoring the police. See what happens. The President won't go to bat for you either. Hundred bucks says you will be arrested, and charges won't be dropped because you are not a black friend of the President.



Well, yeah. That doesn't mean it's right in this case either.
 
2009-07-24 01:34:59 PM  
My money says that both the cop and Gates were being dicks.

I suspect that the cop's version of things is more accurate. I think Gates was pissed that he was being hassled by a cop in his own home. However, it would have nice if he had taken the time to consider that the cop was there to protect HIM. Someone thought Gates' house was being burglarized. What does Gates want to happen in a situation like that? Did he want the cop to ignore the call? Cops don't know who lives where. They got a call, they investigated, and the guy they found at the house was hot-headed and wouldn't show them any ID.

However... At some point the cop DID see Gates' ID and he knew then that Gates was not a burglar. So no matter how much of a dick Gates was being, why not call it a day? Why push it? Okay, tell the guy "Sir, I am here because one of your neighbors was concerned that someone was burglarizing your property. That is all. If you would have cooperated this would have been sorted out much more quickly. I could arrest you for disorderly conduct but I'm not going to. Just please be more cooperative in the future. Have a nice day."

Sometimes being right isn't enough. Not that Gates still wouldn't have made a stink about this if he hadn't been arrested. But at least then the cop could have said "I went there to investigate a report of a burglary-in-progress, Gates was not cooperative but he finally showed me his ID, and that settled the matter." Then it would have been clear that Gates was the dick.
 
2009-07-24 01:35:11 PM  

Jakevol2: Thunderpipes: Simple to test this you Farktards,

stand on your porch, call the cops about suspicious actvity in your yard. When they arrive, scream racial insults, insult people's mothers, show your driver's licence and keep screaming, ignoring the police. See what happens. The President won't go to bat for you either. Hundred bucks says you will be arrested, and charges won't be dropped because you are not a black friend of the President.

that's because I called 911 for a false emergency which is an actual crime. Gates didn't call the police, some fretting housecoat wearing blue haired coont afraid of the nigras called the police on a man who was breaking no laws.


Have somone else call then, do the same thing. It will result in your arrest, period.
 
2009-07-24 01:36:27 PM  

TheLopper: Lost Thought 00: What is strange is that Gate's own neighbors had no idea that it was him locked out of his own house. Instead of asking questions, they simply called the police. The neighbors are the real asshats in this story.

I was thinking the same thing. They couldn't recognize the guy who lives next door? Why isn't the media interviewing their dumb asses?


I heard on NPR that the call was made by a person from out of town as she drove by, or something like that. But definitely not a neighbor.
 
2009-07-24 01:36:32 PM  

Thunderpipes: Have somone else call then, do the same thing. It will result in your arrest, period.


So you're saying all police are corrupt and arrest without cause?
 
2009-07-24 01:36:36 PM  
danfrank: Even if Gates was being a prick, the police should have just walked out once he proved he lived there. Also, the fact that they dropped all charges the next day makes me think they knew overdid it.
fracto73: They did walk out, Gates followed. Police charge people all the time and later drop the charges, Like charging someone with being drunk in public and letting them sleep it off in the drunk tank and dropping the charges in the morning.

Yeah they walked out, and they just as easily could have kept walking while the crazy old man yelled "Get off my lawn!" Nothing is gained from arresting him. As for your comparison to drunks, yes, police arrest drunks and let them sleep it off in a cell, though I know of plenty of instances where the public intoxication charges are indeed filed and tried. More importantly, public safety is at stake with the drunks. If they don't take them in there's a good chance said drunk will get in a car and drive home. There is a public interest being served. What interest is served in this case?
 
2009-07-24 01:37:11 PM  

eraser8: mesohorny: But this has im being a dick all over it. Its really hard to stick up for a dick.

The thing is they were both dicks.

Of course, I personally think it's worse to be a dick under color of law than to be a dick on your own time and on your own property.


You're sort of right there are diffrent type types of dicks. But i consider making false claims and race baiting to be the bigger dick.

Also remember that white pastor that got stopped on the border then refused to show ID and get out the car? Yeah this is a similar situation. I really wanted o side with the pastor guy but after viewing the video its obvious he was being a dick.

Now for a diffrent side, How about that black EMT that got pulled over and choked? I sided with him. Hell if he claimed racism was involved i would have believed him.

So you see Its just hard to side with people who overreact and escalate the situation.
 
2009-07-24 01:37:21 PM  

TigerStar: If you are a black man in the USA, apparently, you can get arrested for disorderly conduct in YOUR OWN HOUSE! WTF!! Liberty and Justice for ALL...my arse!


One More Time:

He. Was. Not. Arrested. IN HIS HOUSE. Stop. Twisting. It.

The second you step outside your house, and yell and scream and act disorderly believe it or not, even if you are on your property, it is against the law.

That is why noise complaints have actual weight.

Because even though you are on your property acting a fool, everyone else in the neighborhood can hear you cursing and screaming at the cop.

So please, for the love of his noodly appendage, STOP SAYING HE GOT ARRESTED IN HIS HOUSE.
 
2009-07-24 01:37:38 PM  
I'm still waiting for someone to cite where Gates proved it was his home. With a Harvard ID? Please...
 
2009-07-24 01:37:45 PM  
Will racism, and I mean in all of its forms, white on black, black on white, brown, yellow or racism's bastard children, homophobia and antisemitism ever end in this country?

Dammit people there are plenty of reasons to hate people on a one on one basis without proving your stupidity by hating whole groups of people based on some prejudice.

Equal opportunity hate, that's the ticket.
 
2009-07-24 01:38:15 PM  

Thunderpipes: Jakevol2: Thunderpipes: Simple to test this you Farktards,

stand on your porch, call the cops about suspicious actvity in your yard. When they arrive, scream racial insults, insult people's mothers, show your driver's licence and keep screaming, ignoring the police. See what happens. The President won't go to bat for you either. Hundred bucks says you will be arrested, and charges won't be dropped because you are not a black friend of the President.

that's because I called 911 for a false emergency which is an actual crime. Gates didn't call the police, some fretting housecoat wearing blue haired coont afraid of the nigras called the police on a man who was breaking no laws.

Have somone else call then, do the same thing. It will result in your arrest, period.


however it's done it's still using 911 for a false emergency.
 
2009-07-24 01:38:20 PM  

aaeko: This racist professor needs to drop this shiat.

I'm sick of this "Oh they only did it to me cause I am black" defense.

No, you are a beligerent asshole that couldn't show your farkin ID.

It's racist douchebags like you that keep racism alive and striving in America.


THIS
 
2009-07-24 01:38:36 PM  

loki see loki do: Remember the little old lady who was arrested for keepingthe neighbor kids footall, then giving the cops shiat until she got herself arrested?


I actually do remember it...but you clearly don't. The woman wasn't arrested for giving the cops shiat. She was arrested for refusing to return the football to the neighborhood kids.

And, I don't remember there being a lot of sympathy for the police on that one.
 
2009-07-24 01:38:38 PM  
icy_one:

You're willing, for the sake of liberty and without all of the facts, to be Crowley's judge and jury and you've already declared him to be guilty.

I'm no fan of lawlessness but for the sake of liberty distrust of authority is my default setting.
 
2009-07-24 01:38:41 PM  

Damnhippyfreak: Thunderpipes: Simple to test this you Farktards,

stand on your porch, call the cops about suspicious actvity in your yard. When they arrive, scream racial insults, insult people's mothers, show your driver's licence and keep screaming, ignoring the police. See what happens. The President won't go to bat for you either. Hundred bucks says you will be arrested, and charges won't be dropped because you are not a black friend of the President.


Well, yeah. That doesn't mean it's right in this case either.


Maybe not, but the law says it is right. That is the point. This is not about race, or police abuse, it is about disorderly conduct laws. If you want to abolish them, fine. However, that would mean anyone, anywhere could be as vile and nasty and as disturbing as they want with no recourse. Imagine being able to blast your stereo at all hours? Imagine being able to call people racial slurs all day long, including the cops, and no one can do anythingn about it? That would kind of suck.

Only reason race is invlved here is because Gates and Obama chose so. Worst part is the cop was there to protect Gate's house and Gates flipped out on him. I would have been thankful.
 
2009-07-24 01:39:37 PM  

Thunderpipes: eraser8: Thunderpipes: No, a crime had occured

No crime had occurred. A cop's feelings were hurt. So he decided to show Gates who was boss. The cop, as a professional, should simply have left the property. The disorderly conduct charge was a pretext.

Look up the definition of disorderly conduct you simpleton. A crime had occured.



Don't forget there is a grey area in which the individual judgement of the officer plays more of a part.

The law is on the books != it is strictly enforced with no room for interpretation
 
2009-07-24 01:40:07 PM  

netweavr: Interesting question. I'll have to think about it.


Great comment! Funny that it is exactly what the president should have said, before sticking his foot in his mouth. He could learn something from you.
 
2009-07-24 01:40:30 PM  
So, does trolling the 'tubes technically count as disorderly conduct?
 
2009-07-24 01:41:02 PM  
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Sorry, but if it was a rich, white guy involved, this would have never happened. The End.
 
2009-07-24 01:41:21 PM  

Thunderpipes: Simple to test this you Farktards,

stand on your porch, call the cops about suspicious actvity in your yard. When they arrive, scream racial insults, insult people's mothers, show your driver's licence and keep screaming, ignoring the police. See what happens. The President won't go to bat for you either. Hundred bucks says you will be arrested, and charges won't be dropped because you are not a black friend of the President.


Very well put. But you can't explain logic to these ignorant asshats. Don't waste your time.
 
2009-07-24 01:42:36 PM  

GurneyHalleck: Sorry, but if it was a rich, white guy involved, this would have never happened. The End.


you should have used an image from Down and Out in Beverly Hills.
 
2009-07-24 01:42:46 PM  
Funny thing is, anyone who honestly reads that police report would agree Gates was extremely disorderly without reason, and he should be arrested. To say anything else is intellectually dishonest or just plain stupid.
 
2009-07-24 01:43:06 PM  
"ya, I'll speak with your mama outside!"

Brilliant!
 
2009-07-24 01:43:10 PM  

danfrank: danfrank: Even if Gates was being a prick, the police should have just walked out once he proved he lived there. Also, the fact that they dropped all charges the next day makes me think they knew overdid it.
fracto73: They did walk out, Gates followed. Police charge people all the time and later drop the charges, Like charging someone with being drunk in public and letting them sleep it off in the drunk tank and dropping the charges in the morning.

Yeah they walked out, and they just as easily could have kept walking while the crazy old man yelled "Get off my lawn!" Nothing is gained from arresting him. As for your comparison to drunks, yes, police arrest drunks and let them sleep it off in a cell, though I know of plenty of instances where the public intoxication charges are indeed filed and tried. More importantly, public safety is at stake with the drunks. If they don't take them in there's a good chance said drunk will get in a car and drive home. There is a public interest being served. What interest is served in this case?




In my opinion, showing someone who responds to the police with "you don't know who you're messing with" that all americans are equal and that they are not above the law serves the public interest.
 
2009-07-24 01:43:52 PM  

Thunderpipes: Damnhippyfreak: Thunderpipes: Simple to test this you Farktards,

stand on your porch, call the cops about suspicious actvity in your yard. When they arrive, scream racial insults, insult people's mothers, show your driver's licence and keep screaming, ignoring the police. See what happens. The President won't go to bat for you either. Hundred bucks says you will be arrested, and charges won't be dropped because you are not a black friend of the President.


Well, yeah. That doesn't mean it's right in this case either.

Maybe not, but the law says it is right. That is the point. This is not about race, or police abuse, it is about disorderly conduct laws. If you want to abolish them, fine. However, that would mean anyone, anywhere could be as vile and nasty and as disturbing as they want with no recourse. Imagine being able to blast your stereo at all hours? Imagine being able to call people racial slurs all day long, including the cops, and no one can do anythingn about it? That would kind of suck.

Only reason race is invlved here is because Gates and Obama chose so. Worst part is the cop was there to protect Gate's house and Gates flipped out on him. I would have been thankful.



acting differently in this situation =! no enforcement against this offense whatsoever

This is not an all-or-nothing issue with absolutely no room for the individual judgement of the officer involved. C'mon. It's understandable that this issue would get people riled up. But take a deep breath and let some common sense back into the discussion.
 
2009-07-24 01:44:06 PM  

tbyte:
The use of, shall we say, compelling physical force and all it entails is the most extreme measure the state has at its disposal for controlling citizens. As such, it should only be used when there is no other option. I can't say for sure but I'd certainly bet that if the cops simply left, the situation would have diffused itself.


It doesn't mean that no laws were broken either. Again, Gates can take him to court and let it fall out. You and I are not in any position to say what was justified because we don't have the facts. The only position we're in is to assume that Crowley is innocent until Gates and his attorney prove otherwise. You don't get to judge Crowley now just because he's a cop.
 
2009-07-24 01:44:09 PM  

Thunderpipes: capt_buzzkill: And still nobody cares about the idiot who couldn't recognize their own neighbor that called it in. Maybe he/she is the bigger racist.

It was dark out, how could she?


"Yeah...b*tch set me up"
 
2009-07-24 01:44:14 PM  
Um... why ask for the cop's name and badge number? Is it not like two elements of the uniform are a NAME TAG and a NUMBERED BADGE right out there on the front of the cop's chest?

Can Mr. Haaaarvaaard Professor not read a name tag?
 
2009-07-24 01:44:21 PM  

Thunderpipes: eraser8: GoSurfing: He doesn't provide identification, and proceeds to go on some tangent tirade.

He was arrested after providing identification and after the officer had established that no crimes had occurred.

No, a crime had occured, Gates would not calm down and insisted on making a scene and threatening the officers, insulting his mother, general asshatery. Disorderly conduct is a crime. Unless you think I should be able to yell and scream vulgar and racist crap in a public place all I want and totally ignore cops asking me to chill out? Oh, I am white, that's right, laws apply to me.


Your own home/porch is not a public place. It is private property. Unless you are actually disturbing neighbors, which I have not seen any actual proof/witnessing of, then you're not committing a crime.

It is perfectly legal, albeit not very helpful, to be a dick to an officer on your own property when no crime has been committed. And if you're an officer on someone's property, have determined that no crime has been committed, and said property owner is yelling at you, it's time to GTFO his property.
 
2009-07-24 01:44:38 PM  

fracto73: In my opinion, showing someone who responds to the police with "you don't know who you're messing with" that all americans are equal and that they are not above the law serves the public interest.


Except for cops, of course.
 
2009-07-24 01:44:55 PM  
Having read the report again...Gates informed Crowley that the door to his house was unsecurable due to a previous break-in attempt...but who tried to break in before? White hoodlums? His students looking for copies of his tests? His neighbor? Or two random black guys just like this time?

My money is on Old Man Grimes from the hardware store. We need the Fred, Velma and the rest of the gang to solve this caper.
 
2009-07-24 01:44:59 PM  

Thunderpipes: Funny thing is, anyone who honestly reads that police report would agree Gates was extremely disorderly without reason, and he should be arrested. To say anything else is intellectually dishonest or just plain stupid.


Extremely? For yelling at people to get off his lawn?

Without Reason? After being harassed in his own house?

The cop is going to get sued. All he had to do was apologize, now he's just compounding the issue.
 
2009-07-24 01:45:01 PM  

SherKhan: icy_one:

You're willing, for the sake of liberty and without all of the facts, to be Crowley's judge and jury and you've already declared him to be guilty.

I'm no fan of lawlessness but for the sake of liberty distrust of authority is my default setting.


I'm no fan of ignorance, but for the sake of intellectual integrity distrust of liberal arts professors is MY deafult setting
 
2009-07-24 01:45:28 PM  

GurneyHalleck: Sorry, but if it was a rich, white guy involved, this would have never happened. The End.


Right, because the white guy would have provided his ID right away, aided the officer in getting all the details, thanked him for responding, and offered him a cup of coffee. Gates was a rich racist who wants attention. He got it. When the Predident backs up your arrest on national prime time TV, you got some attention.
 
2009-07-24 01:45:32 PM  

Thunderpipes: Look up the definition of disorderly conduct you simpleton. A crime had occured.


I am actually aware of what the offense entails. It is so imprecise that it is often held void for vagueness -- which is why it's so rarely prosecuted. It is a catch-all offense that, in my opinion, was used in this case as a pretext to punish a guy who hurt a cop's feelings but hadn't actually done anything illegal.

And, in most jurisdictions, disorderly conduct is less than a misdemeanor and is considered only quasi-criminal.
 
2009-07-24 01:45:46 PM  

GoodasGold: Being a professor of African-American studies is not the same as being a professor or Math or Chemistry.

One shouldn't expect too much from these people.


what do you mean by "these people"?

jonathankiefer.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-07-24 01:45:49 PM  
SO OBAMA SHOULDN'T BE MEDDLING WITH IRAN, BUT HE SHOULD BE MEDDLING WITH THE SOME ASSHAT PROFESSOR IN MASSACHUSETTS?

You Obama fellators are no joke, you really believe this shiat. Its sad.
 
2009-07-24 01:46:01 PM  

master_dman: Very well put. But you can't explain logic to these ignorant asshats. Don't waste your time.


master_dman: Thunderpipes: Simple to test this you Farktards,

stand on your porch, call the cops about suspicious actvity in your yard. When they arrive, scream racial insults, insult people's mothers, show your driver's licence and keep screaming, ignoring the police. See what happens. The President won't go to bat for you either. Hundred bucks says you will be arrested, and charges won't be dropped because you are not a black friend of the President.

Very well put. But you can't explain logic to these ignorant asshats. Don't waste your time.


Oh HA HA HA HA HAH AHA HA HA HA! Oh stop your killing me--logic-- ignorant---oh God here it comes again HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
 
2009-07-24 01:46:18 PM  
...and yes, Crowley would have done better to point out that he was there to protect the owners property and possibly the lives of the people who lived there, whether they were black, white, or purple, said good day to the loudmouthed racist Professor, and walked away.

Would've got his two cents in, and maybe, just maybe, have made the esteemed professor STFU and think about the reality of the situation. That a cop was trying to protect his stuff.
 
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