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(Some Guy)   Leftist blogger to Obama: "Will your plan outlaw private insurance?" Obama: "I'm not sure, I'm not familiar with the bill enough, but I do know one thing, we have to pass the bill immediately."   ( freerepublic.com) divider line
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2009-07-21 12:42:15 PM  
Barack Obama doesn't read bills. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.
 
2009-07-21 12:43:40 PM  
This would be horrible. I was totally going to quit my job tomorrow and start working for myself, now I don't know what to do.

Please, Republicans, HELP ME!!!
 
2009-07-21 12:45:41 PM  
Bend over, here it comes.
 
2009-07-21 12:47:40 PM  
Listen subby, I know the admins are trying extra hard to bring that PITA back to neutral, but they do have standards.

Numbers one, two, and three are "don't link to freeretardeds.com."

You may as well submit a link to goa+++ATH0

NO CARRIER
 
2009-07-21 12:47:46 PM  
How can Obama keep making this promise if he is not familiar with the health legislation that is being written in Congress? Details matter....

Because, that's kinda the way it works. Congress crafts bills. When the bills are FINISHED, they vote on them. If the majority passes it, it goes to the president who can sign it, or not.

tbn0.google.com

So, you'll remember, the bills ARE NOT FINISHED YET. They are drafts. Yes, maybe there is some shiat in there that we don't like. But THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF A DRAFT.
 
2009-07-21 12:49:54 PM  
On the one hand, it would be nice if the link source said "Free Republic" so we could more easily distinguish it from non-psychotic sources.
On the other hand, I wouldn't want Fark to encourage Free Republic links.
 
2009-07-21 12:50:57 PM  
the caller sites a specific provision of the bill, to which the president replies he is not familiar with it specifically. he goes on to refute the assertion the caller was making based on some web article.
 
2009-07-21 12:51:40 PM  
Aw fark. I just gave a click to Free Republic.

Thanks a lot, asshole subby.
 
2009-07-21 12:52:37 PM  
I love the smell of impotent whining from conservatives as we drag them into the 21st century, kicking and screaming.
 
2009-07-21 12:54:29 PM  
So a blog linking to a blog that references a blogger's interaction is now considered a credible source of news?

I then went to go check out the link to the Investors Business Daily article:

"The article you requested is not available."

I'm saddened I can only give a single -1.
 
2009-07-21 12:54:55 PM  

mercator_psi: Listen subby, I know the admins are trying extra hard to bring that PITA back to neutral, but they do have standards.


The PITA will never get back to normal, given that the dittoheads who submit Freeper, NRO, Newsmax, WSJ editorial, and other right-wing threads always put it as "neutral" on the PITA. This one being a case in point.
 
2009-07-21 12:55:07 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I love the smell of impotent whining from conservatives as we drag them into the 21st century, kicking and screaming.


Yes, it's terrible that we demand that the people in charge of our future have a grasp of what they are approving.

There's nothing at all wrong with blindly approving anything come to your desk as long as you win, right?
 
2009-07-21 12:57:11 PM  

Cyberluddite: The PITA will never get back to normal, given that the dittoheads who submit Freeper, NRO, Newsmax, WSJ editorial, and other right-wing threads always put it as "neutral" on the PITA. This one being a case in point.


This is why I long ago removed the PITA with Stylish. Any political links I submit, I submit as Neutral also.
 
2009-07-21 01:00:26 PM  

bradkanus: There's nothing at all wrong with blindly approving anything come to your desk as long as you win, right?


Um, the bill isn't even in final draft form yet. Should he, as the Executive, interfere with the Legislative while they are writing the laws?
 
2009-07-21 01:01:32 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: Um, the bill isn't even in final draft form yet. Should he, as the Executive, interfere with the Legislative while they are writing the laws?

Of course he should. That way he can scream about that too.
 
2009-07-21 01:07:15 PM  

Cyberluddite: mercator_psi: Listen subby, I know the admins are trying extra hard to bring that PITA back to neutral, but they do have standards.

The PITA will never get back to normal, given that the dittoheads who submit Freeper, NRO, Newsmax, WSJ editorial, and other right-wing threads always put it as "neutral" on the PITA. This one being a case in point.


There are Farkers who still haven't Adblocked the PITA images?
 
2009-07-21 01:08:51 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: bradkanus: There's nothing at all wrong with blindly approving anything come to your desk as long as you win, right?

Um, the bill isn't even in final draft form yet. Should he, as the Executive, interfere with the Legislative while they are writing the laws?



Pro-tip: don't waste your time on anyone named "anus".

The only thing that will ensue is ignorant bullshiat.
 
2009-07-21 01:13:47 PM  
This is highly relevant to my interests, because one day I will be rich like Rush Limbaugh and then I will need doctors I can easily bribe for drugs, and if I have the same quality of care as everyone else, that will be harder to accomplish.
 
2009-07-21 01:23:21 PM  
The House Bill is not the same as "your plan".

Phale.
 
2009-07-21 01:29:35 PM  
Oh for f*ucks sake, we're greenlighting Freeper links now? Jesus Titty-F*cking Christ.
 
2009-07-21 01:30:16 PM  

BuckTurgidson: I wouldn't want Fark to encourage Free Republic links.


Fark deserves to have a conservative PoV to balance out the liberal side. It just happens that Free Republic is the conservative PoV in America right now.

Just look at anyone in this thread who calls himself a conservative if you doubt that.
 
2009-07-21 01:36:21 PM  
Headline: "I'm not sure, I'm not familiar with the bill enough, but I do know one thing, we have to pass the bill immediately."


Story: "You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about."

Probably because it doesn't exist in H.R. 3200, sec. 102 (new window)

Can we out the mod that greenlit this? I just wanna know who's responsible for killing FARK.

Wait... this is a satire! Oh, you guys got me again!
 
2009-07-21 01:41:18 PM  

Mordant: BuckTurgidson: I wouldn't want Fark to encourage Free Republic links.

Fark deserves to have a conservative PoV to balance out the liberal side. It just happens that Free Republic is the conservative PoV in America right now.

Just look at anyone in this thread who calls himself a conservative if you doubt that.


Jesus, that's kind of a bleak, pessimistic view, isn't it?
 
2009-07-21 01:42:30 PM  

No YOU'RE a Towel: Jesus, that's kind of a bleak, pessimistic view, isn't it?


Yet oh too true.
 
2009-07-21 01:43:29 PM  
If you really listened to the noise coming from the far right, if they actually achieved their goals and got you to believe them, you'd think:
a) Obama was not born here (sorry, this is no longer the realm of wingnuts alone, as Rush and others are signing onto this crap)
b) Obama is actively trying to bankrupt the nation
c) Obama is actively trying to control every aspect of your life

Doesn't ANY of this seem a little far fetched?
 
2009-07-21 01:46:27 PM  

No YOU'RE a Towel: Mordant: BuckTurgidson: I wouldn't want Fark to encourage Free Republic links.

Fark deserves to have a conservative PoV to balance out the liberal side. It just happens that Free Republic is the conservative PoV in America right now.

Just look at anyone in this thread who calls himself a conservative if you doubt that.

Jesus, that's kind of a bleak, pessimistic view, isn't it?


Nope. I think we're damn near at rock bottom right now. Eventually the intelligent conservatives are going to get fed up with blaming the libs for the fact that Fark submissions make them look like f*cking retards. Then they'll grow a set of f*cking balls and go after the imbeciles who submit the freeper BS under the banner of "conservatism".

We're just not quite there yet.
 
2009-07-21 01:47:50 PM  

Mordant: Just look at anyone in this thread who calls himself a conservative if you doubt that.


I'm a conservative and I believe that Free Republic is a joke and a bunch of idiots.
 
2009-07-21 01:48:00 PM  

Mordant: It just happens that Free Republic is the conservative PoV in America right now.


Uh, no. Those idiots don't speak for me.
 
2009-07-21 01:50:07 PM  

Cyberluddite: Oh for f*ucks sake, we're greenlighting Freeper links now? Jesus Titty-F*cking Christ.


This is actually kind of awesome. It's like Drew decided to shake a bee hive and run.

And just wait until the liters get here. Then the REAL fun begins.
 
2009-07-21 01:50:25 PM  

bradkanus: Yes, it's terrible that we demand that the people in charge of our future have a grasp of what they are approving.


That would be fine if you would pick an instance in which he actually doesn't have a grasp of something. This is just complete BS designed to scare people who don't read much past the headline or don't have the capacity to understand anything more complex than zOMG SOCIALISTSDESTROYINGTHECOUNTRY!
 
2009-07-21 01:51:51 PM  
zOMG SOCIALISTS ARE DESTROYING THE COUNTRY!!!
 
2009-07-21 01:53:13 PM  

Cyberluddite: Oh for f*ucks sake, we're greenlighting Freeper links now? Jesus Titty-F*cking Christ.


For every Kos and Huffpo, there must be the yang. Quit whining and get to wharrgarrblling...
 
2009-07-21 01:53:18 PM  
I'm a little confused as to who gets the fail tag here.
 
2009-07-21 01:53:30 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Bend over, here it comes.


You'll have to wait until the private insurance companies pull out. It's going to be a long wait 'cause they're pulling a train.
 
2009-07-21 01:54:05 PM  
Goddamnitalltohell. I clicked a Freeper link.
 
2009-07-21 01:54:43 PM  
fark you subby a freeper article?
 
2009-07-21 01:55:12 PM  
Translation: The bill hasn't finished being written. Let's see what Congress comes up with.

What he should have said and is that which reflects actual truth "My plan didn't. I hope Congress sticks to the plan"
 
2009-07-21 01:55:18 PM  
Damn...just submitted this (with a very similar healine) using a non Freeper link. At least I labeled mine correctly as fascist. Neutral, mods? Really? Are any of you familiar with Free Republic?
 
2009-07-21 01:55:52 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Cyberluddite: Oh for f*ucks sake, we're greenlighting Freeper links now? Jesus Titty-F*cking Christ.

For every Kos and Huffpo, there must be the yang. Quit whining and get to wharrgarrblling...


The yang to FR's yin would be Democratic Underground.
Kos/HuffPo = NRO/NewsMax
IMO
 
2009-07-21 01:56:40 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Cyberluddite: Oh for f*ucks sake, we're greenlighting Freeper links now? Jesus Titty-F*cking Christ.

For every Kos and Huffpo, there must be the yang. Quit whining and get to wharrgarrblling...


Kos and Huffpo don't advocate the overthrow of the Government of the United States of America. Freep, in the form of it's founder, does.
 
2009-07-21 01:56:41 PM  
This is the article the blogger was talking about:

It's Not An Option

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Congress: It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.

IBD Exclusive Series: Government-Run Healthcare: A Prescription For Failure

When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised - with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

From the beginning, opponents of the public option plan have warned that if the government gets into the business of offering subsidized health insurance coverage, the private insurance market will wither. Drawn by a public option that will be 30% to 40% cheaper than their current premiums because taxpayers will be funding it, employers will gladly scrap their private plans and go with Washington's coverage.

The nonpartisan Lewin Group estimated in April that 120 million or more Americans could lose their group coverage at work and end up in such a program. That would leave private carriers with 50 million or fewer customers. This could cause the market to, as Lewin Vice President John Sheils put it, "fizzle out altogether."

What wasn't known until now is that the bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not letting any new policies be written after the public option becomes law.

The legislation is also likely to finish off health savings accounts, a goal that Democrats have had for years. They want to crush that alternative because nothing gives individuals more control over their medical care, and the government less, than HSAs.

With HSAs out of the way, a key obstacle to the left's expansion of the welfare state will be removed.

The public option won't be an option for many, but rather a mandate for buying government care. A free people should be outraged at this advance of soft tyranny.

Washington does not have the constitutional or moral authority to outlaw private markets in which parties voluntarily participate. It shouldn't be killing business opportunities, or limiting choices, or legislating major changes in Americans' lives.

It took just 16 pages of reading to find this naked attempt by the political powers to increase their reach. It's scary to think how many more breaches of liberty we'll come across in the final 1,002.
 
2009-07-21 01:56:47 PM  

Whamdangler: How can Obama keep making this promise if he is not familiar with the health legislation that is being written in Congress? Details matter....

Because, that's kinda the way it works. Congress crafts bills. When the bills are FINISHED, they vote on them. If the majority passes it, it goes to the president who can sign it, or not.


So, you'll remember, the bills ARE NOT FINISHED YET. They are drafts. Yes, maybe there is some shiat in there that we don't like. But THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF A DRAFT.


So that allows the NIC to lie? Only in libland. If the bill says you can't have private insurance, he ought to quit saying the bill says you can have private insurance. At least know what's in the damn bill.
 
2009-07-21 01:57:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: bradkanus: There's nothing at all wrong with blindly approving anything come to your desk as long as you win, right?

Um, the bill isn't even in final draft form yet. Should he, as the Executive, interfere with the Legislative while they are writing the laws?


Interfere? No.

Know the basic details about what he's been promoting? Yes.
 
2009-07-21 01:57:26 PM  
FreeRepublic? No, thanks...
 
2009-07-21 01:57:54 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: For every Kos and Huffpo, there must be the yang. Quit whining and get to wharrgarrblling...


If you really think Huffpo is the left-wing equivalent of the Freepers, well then you need a major reality check, to say the least.
 
2009-07-21 01:58:34 PM  

I Said: If you really listened to the noise coming from the far right, if they actually achieved their goals and got you to believe them, you'd think:
a) Obama was not born here (sorry, this is no longer the realm of wingnuts alone, as Rush and others are signing onto this crap)


Since when has Rush not been a far-right wingnut?
 
Jha
2009-07-21 01:58:48 PM  
You know how I know you're a libtard?

You ignore any thing in the story in order to take jabs at where it came from.
 
2009-07-21 01:59:39 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I love the smell of impotent whining from conservatives as we drag them into the 21st century, kicking and screaming.


Except for the fact that you're 100 years off, I agree completely.
 
2009-07-21 02:00:11 PM  

Whamdangler: How can Obama keep making this promise if he is not familiar with the health legislation that is being written in Congress? Details matter....

Because, that's kinda the way it works. Congress crafts bills. When the bills are FINISHED, they vote on them. If the majority passes it, it goes to the president who can sign it, or not.

So, you'll remember, the bills ARE NOT FINISHED YET. They are drafts. Yes, maybe there is some shiat in there that we don't like. But THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF A DRAFT.


Damn, I'm Canadian and even I've seen that 'bill' cartoon enough to understand this.
 
2009-07-21 02:00:14 PM  
artsci.wustl.edu
 
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