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2009-07-21 12:27:30 AM  
Also

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Soup's on!
 
2009-07-21 12:35:22 AM  
girl6: Rigban:

You sound fat. And Goth.

You sound malodorous. And fat. Like your mom and your girlfriend.


You're trying to insult a Farker by stating that he has a girlfriend? Are you new here?
 
2009-07-21 12:35:30 AM  
man, the left is retarded.

Just saw some of the left wing blogosphere (gawker, et al) are releasing the name and identity of the chick who called the cops and calling her a racist biatch.

wtf? she was looking after her neighbor's house! (after it had already been broken into it seems). some people totally lose touch with reality when it comes to race.
 
2009-07-21 12:35:59 AM  
www.sawf.org

Look at it this way: You're a black guy in Boston. You don't need any help from me to be completely farked.
 
2009-07-21 12:42:56 AM  
Egalitarian: You know, I've read a lot of bad cop stories on Fark and a significant number of them contain the "cop gives the miscreant the break and threatens the good guy (story narrator) because the miscreant has connections" line.

Example: Wasn't there a Farker who claimed his daughter's arm was broken in two places like a W after a woman ran her over, and the first cop who showed up knew the woman? The cop declared it was all the girl's fault. He threatened to beat the shiat out of the Farker for not listening attentively while his daughter was being loaded in the ambulance.

Gates is pretty famous and in some towns the white equivalent of a local famous person of import would have been recognized and given a break straight away, right or wrong.

Somehow neither his neighbor nor the cops recognized him in this situation.

Now it was very unwise of him to throw a temper tantrum in front of cops, but to pretend there isn't some racial bias in this is also pretty stupid.


To assume racial bias is pretty stupid too...
 
2009-07-21 12:44:05 AM  
Gulper Eel: Between Gates and Sharpton, the two of them trotted out every tired old line this side of "Come and see the violence inherent in the system / help help I'm being repressed!"

Yeah. I'm REAL sure you're up to date on Dr. Gates's scholarship (new window). I'll bet you've got W.E.B. DuBois on speed dial and Manning Marable on your Myspace. I doubt 1 out of a 100 people here have read anything by Gates and most had now clue who he is at all. So quit acting like you're all up-to-date in Africana Studies, mmmkay?
 
2009-07-21 12:45:41 AM  
chu2dogg: man, the left is retarded.

Just saw some of the left wing blogosphere (gawker, et al) are releasing the name and identity of the chick who called the cops and calling her a racist biatch.

wtf? she was looking after her neighbor's house! (after it had already been broken into it seems). some people totally lose touch with reality when it comes to race.


It's a tough call. You'd think the neighbor would've recognized Gates, or at least not jumped to the conclusion that a 50-something-year-old man with a cane who shows up in a chauffeured vehicle and tries to get in the house with a key is a burglar, but the neighbor might have only seen the attempt to break the door down, and not Gates' arrival at the house.
 
2009-07-21 12:46:29 AM  
NeauxFear: Simply shocking that a man who researches/teaches/makes-a-pretty-penny-on race-related topics would see racism under every stone.

You've never read anything by him. You had no idea who he was at all. Go back to your Xbox.
 
2009-07-21 12:47:11 AM  
As a wealthy, self-made Southern-born white male residing in Alabama (is there anything more evil by political correctness standards?), I have to say when I hear stories of racial intolerance in the Mecca of racial and social Utopianism . . .

/ Schadenfreude? No, just a 2-second smirk.
// But I did experience serious schadenfreude with the Rodney King riots. You just can't understand how pissed off white peoople in "fly-over states" get when you get fed this smug, "I'm more anti-racist-than-you-and-live-in-a-Blue-State-thus-I'm-morally-superior-to-you" BS from the left-leaning types on the coasts
/// Beer down
//// How did that Prop 8 thing work out in Cali?
//// Rant over. Out.
 
2009-07-21 12:47:27 AM  
mcmnky: Do blacks not think whites people get shiat from the cops and generally tend to avoid every sliver of a second in an interaction with them as well?

We don't. Not like they do. A man with sight can close his eyes.

Doesn't mean he knows what it's like to be blind.


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/got to it before I did
 
2009-07-21 12:51:26 AM  
SwingingJohnson: FYI EVERYBODY - THE GUY WILL BE ON CNN WED NIGHT DISCUSSING THIS.

And that is the sad part. Here is one of the top Africana Studies scholars and commentators in the world (alongside Cornel West, Toni Morrison, Michael Eric Dyson, Manning Marable, Lewis R. Gordon and a few others) and they don't care to get this guy on until he gets arrested in his own home? No wonder people don't take CNN seriously.
 
2009-07-21 12:52:06 AM  
I think he is going to go the way of Cynthia McKinney. A reasonable request, under the circumstances, turned into a race baiting bru-ha-ha.
 
2009-07-21 12:54:16 AM  
Primum non nocere: But I did experience serious schadenfreude with the Rodney King riots. You just can't understand how pissed off white peoople in "fly-over states" get when you get fed this smug, "I'm more anti-racist-than-you-and-live-in-a-Blue-State-thus-I'm-morally-superior-to-you" BS from the left-leaning types on the coasts

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This Just In: It pisses off black and latino people in the midwest too. Its a regional thing. Not a race thing.
 
2009-07-21 12:55:04 AM  
lajimi: The Rev. Al Sharpton is vowing to attend Gates' arraignment.

Oh, OK, now we can rest easy. Everything is going to be alright now.


You know the real reason why some white people (a small minority) wish for the deaths (or worse) of Rev. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson? It's because they are tired of people who will actually keep an eye on them and catch them pulling their racial bullshiat. It would be so much easier for them if they could be assholes and no one said anything.
 
2009-07-21 01:01:59 AM  
Somacandra: You've never read anything by him. You had no idea who he was at all. Go back to your Xbox.

I don't have to have read anything by him. Economists try to see the economic side to everything they observe. Doctors try to diagnose every odd rash or cough they encounter. Bankers are always looking for a financial angle. Similarly, an American who lives, breathes, and eats African studies for 10+ hours a day is going to notice race-related issues in many conflicts he encounters, whether or not racism is really to blame.

However, I also live in a small town in the deep South. Furthermore, I have a mix of small-town and big-city cops in my family. Therefore, I never trust cops unless I see video corroborating their story, and even then it better be crystal clear. I've hung two juries because the main evidence was a cop's word.

My take is that the cops were doing the right thing in a totally ignorant way.
 
2009-07-21 01:02:23 AM  
Professor broke three rules of Chris Rock's "how not to get your ass kicked by the police"

Use Common Sense
Be polite
Shut the fark up
 
2009-07-21 01:04:48 AM  
Some more detail in this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/21gates.html

According to his lawyer, Professor Gates told the sergeant that he lived there and showed his Massachusetts driver's license and his Harvard identification card, but Sergeant Crowley still did not seem to believe that Professor Gates lived in the home, a few blocks from Harvard Square. At that point, his lawyer said, Professor Gates grew frustrated and asked for the officer's name and badge number.

Then it went real bad from there.
 
2009-07-21 01:09:24 AM  
Somacandra This Just In: It pisses off black and latino people in the midwest too. Its a regional thing. Not a race thing.

Touché
 
2009-07-21 01:19:00 AM  
Tried to read all the posts and it seems that no one is blaming the nosy biatch neighbor that phoned this in.
 
2009-07-21 01:23:10 AM  
SwingingJohnson - Some more detail in this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/21gates.html

According to his lawyer, Professor Gates told the sergeant that he lived there and showed his Massachusetts driver's license and his Harvard identification card, but Sergeant Crowley still did not seem to believe that Professor Gates lived in the home, a few blocks from Harvard Square. At that point, his lawyer said, Professor Gates grew frustrated and asked for the officer's name and badge number.

Then it went real bad from there.



This is what bugs the shiat out of me... The cop has a very detailed moment by moment word by word account, and this guy hasn't given one straight "he said... he did..." answer to explain what the cop did that was out of line. That's the mark of a liar who's trying not to get caught in a lie.
 
2009-07-21 01:24:28 AM  
AbbeySomeone: Tried to read all the posts and it seems that no one is blaming the nosy biatch neighbor that phoned this in.

It said he went in the back door and turned the alarm off then went and got the driver's help to "unjam" the door. I figured neighbor heard an alarm went to the window and saw two fellas jimmying a door so she played it safe and made the call.
 
2009-07-21 01:29:48 AM  
AbbeySomeone: Tried to read all the posts and it seems that no one is blaming the nosy biatch neighbor that phoned this in.

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2009-07-21 01:34:18 AM  
AbbeySomeone: Tried to read all the posts and it seems that no one is blaming the nosy biatch neighbor that phoned this in.

All black men must have looked alike to her... even though Gates had lived there for awhile... he had only been a professor there since 1991, not long enough for anyone to have actually SEEN him... or recognize him... even if they lived ON THE SAME BLOCK, possibly even RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER... naw, couldn't be it...
 
2009-07-21 01:41:09 AM  
rewind2846: AbbeySomeone: Tried to read all the posts and it seems that no one is blaming the nosy biatch neighbor that phoned this in.

All black men must have looked alike to her... even though Gates had lived there for awhile... he had only been a professor there since 1991, not long enough for anyone to have actually SEEN him... or recognize him... even if they lived ON THE SAME BLOCK, possibly even RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER... naw, couldn't be it...


Jesus Christ, it's a Negro, call the police!
 
2009-07-21 01:44:44 AM  
technicolor-misfit:
That's the mark of a liar who's trying not to get caught in a lie.
No, that's the mark of a guy who knows that his every word will be twisted against him.
 
2009-07-21 01:48:35 AM  
I think this guy completely ruined his credibility with the, "Why, because I'm a black man in America?"

Talk about stereotyping, there you have it. He's got his mind made up about cops and white people. fark this guy, I hope he loses his job.

He won't of course, because "white folk" have been trained to not make "persons of African American descent" upset--even when they blatantly fark up--for fear of being labeled racist. The "white folk" who employ him will be crucified if they give him his due.
 
2009-07-21 01:50:37 AM  
Speedbts alt - technicolor-misfit: Even if the cop did "continue questioning" him, when you refuse to comply with a reasonable, obvious, and easily satisfiable request, it arouses suspicion. That calls for further questioning.

This sounds a tad "badge licker"ish.

Pretty sure you aren't required to open the door. Police can get warrants if they have to.

Pretty sure you arent' required to do anything other than Identify yourself. Which he did.

Maybe he was all "do you know who I am?" but since when did cops get so touchy? Surely they hear worse everday than whatever this effete ivy league snob throws out there.

He ID'd himself. Go Away Copper!!



When you've had a call for a breaking and entering and signs of forced or attempted forced entry, I'm pretty sure a cop has probable cause to make sure nothing's amiss.

And once again... don't start none, won't be none. If he hadn't acted like a prick and been difficult when a cop was doing his duty to protect HIS property, then there probably wouldn't have been any trouble at all.

Put yourself in the cop's shoes... you respond to a call for b&e, when you get there someone's in the house but refuses to identify himself. When he finally does identify himself, it does appear that he's the legal resident... so then why is he making such ado about something as simple as identifying himself?

Locking yourself out's a simple mistake that could happen to anyone, but when you get all bent out of shape about police responding to the call of someone forcing entry into a house, it's such an irrational response it makes you wonder "what IS he so perturbed about"

For all the cop knows, it could be a domestic violence situation and the guy might have just busted into the house and brained his wife with a ball peen hammer.

The behavior was bizarre and inappropriate, and IF the cop did actually linger for a bit after the ID, (which is not indicated by his report) I'd say it's perfectly reasonable given the unreasonable and irrational conduct of the professor.

I get called a cop-hater on this site constantly... I'm no fan of overreaching cops and I biatch about them constantly, but when you automatically assume all of them are overreaching in every case, when there's absolutely NO reliable indication that that it's true, then you simply make your own judgment suspect and your other more legitimate criticisms lose weight.

The "Why, because I'm black in America?" and the refusal to identify himself do not appear to be in dispute... That's the guy's response to a reasonable request from a police officer investigating a reasonable call. That's not just being a prick, that's kind of crazy.

The guy establishes himself as a nut right from the get-go. It's absolutely beyond me why people are investing so much faith in his lawyer's vague and mysterious empty accusations... attempting to say something without actually saying anything they can be nailed down to. If the cop actually did something, they'd be saying what it was.

This is a guy who acted like a nut and owing to his own ego, painted himself in a corner. He thought he could have his hissy fit and being a Harvard Prof would get him out of it. When it didn't, he played the race card in order to shift blame and try to save himself the embarrassment of having all his friends and colleagues reading about what a nut he was. I'd bet my last dollar that's EXACTLY what it is.
 
2009-07-21 01:54:40 AM  
Dobbler - technicolor-misfit:
That's the mark of a liar who's trying not to get caught in a lie.


No, that's the mark of a guy who knows that his every word will be twisted against him.



How convenient...


"He did awful things... just awful, awful things."

"Like what?"

"I can't tell you... He'll twist my words around. You'll just have to take word for it that he did them, and they were simply awful."


That's farking stupid. It doesn't even make sense.
 
2009-07-21 02:21:29 AM  
AbbeySomeone: he had only been a professor there since 1991, not long enough for anyone to have actually SEEN him... or recognize him... even if they lived ON THE SAME BLOCK, possibly even RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER... naw, couldn't be it

when its dark and you see someone trying to get into a house the first reaction is not to try and figure out who it is, the first reaction is to call the cops and have them try and figure it out.

/had my next door neighbor (my aunt) call the sheriff on me when i was in high school and locked myself out of the house then tried to go in a window.

//the deputy that came out ask to see my drivers license even though i was friends with his son knew who i was and that i lived in the house because it was policy that they had to check IDs on that kind of call for the paperwork.

///same deputy bought beer for us but we had to trade our car keys for it.
 
2009-07-21 02:29:25 AM  
technicolor-misfit:


When you've had a call for a breaking and entering and signs of forced or attempted forced entry, I'm pretty sure a cop has probable cause to make sure nothing's amiss.


If he believed that why did he keep knocking and not simply enter?



And once again... don't start none, won't be none. If he hadn't acted like a prick and been difficult when a cop was doing his duty to protect HIS property, then there probably wouldn't have been any trouble at all.


Once again why do cops get to be so touchy?


Put yourself in the cop's shoes... you respond to a call for b&e, when you get there someone's in the house but refuses to identify himself. When he finally does identify himself, it does appear that he's the legal resident... so then why is he making such ado about something as simple as identifying himself?

Locking yourself out's a simple mistake that could happen to anyone, but when you get all bent out of shape about police responding to the call of someone forcing entry into a house, it's such an irrational response it makes you wonder "what IS he so perturbed about"



Never said the cop couldn't tell him STFU. I even believe the prof could have been overreacting.

Don't cops only see people when they are at their worst?

What was so bad about what this guy did that made this cop have to arrest him at his house? You don't think the cop gets worse lip from bums and prostitutes that he probably just shrugs off? I haven't ever played a racism card because I don't believe it necessarily has to be racism. However, I do think the cop here was power tripping. If he was he shouldn't be a cop.

For all the cop knows, it could be a domestic violence situation and the guy might have just busted into the house and brained his wife with a ball peen hammer.


See? Once again slippery slope here. Does the cop just get to assume that someone is hurt because a door was not secured? Does he have the right then to go in every room just to check it out?



The behavior was bizarre and inappropriate, and IF the cop did actually linger for a bit after the ID, (which is not indicated by his report) I'd say it's perfectly reasonable given the unreasonable and irrational conduct of the professor.

I get called a cop-hater on this site constantly... I'm no fan of overreaching cops and I biatch about them constantly, but when you automatically assume all of them are overreaching in every case, when there's absolutely NO reliable indication that that it's true, then you simply make your own judgment suspect and your other more legitimate criticisms lose weight.

That's nice except for the part where the man had a cop come to his house, ask him to identify himself and then arrest him when the guy got mad. Of course you're not accusing me of overreaching either are you?


The "Why, because I'm black in America?" and the refusal to identify himself do not appear to be in dispute... That's the guy's response to a reasonable request from a police officer investigating a reasonable call. That's not just being a prick, that's kind of crazy.

The guy establishes himself as a nut right from the get-go.


Again, right off the bat you are giving this cop the right to escalate because a man who is on the phone talking to his landlord about getting his door repaired seems a bit on edge. Sure, it should prick the cops ears up a little. But being offended isn't a crime. The cop won. This guy had to prove that he lived there. Maybe rightly so.
It's absolutely beyond me why people are investing so much faith in his lawyer's vague and mysterious empty accusations... attempting to say something without actually saying anything they can be nailed down to. If the cop actually did something, they'd be saying what it was.


Not really arguing this point with you but haven't you ever seen those "don't ever talk to a cop" videos? Why would a lawyer who sees potential for legal action make any statement of fact that the other side could then besmirch rightly or wrongly.

This is a guy who acted like a nut and owing to his own ego, painted himself in a corner. He thought he could have his hissy fit and being a Harvard Prof would get him out of it. When it didn't, he played the race card in order to shift blame and try to save himself the embarrassment of having all his friends and colleagues reading about what a nut he was. I'd bet my last dollar that's EXACTLY what it is.


It should never have come to that though. Why can't a cop walk away from a hissy fit? The charge seems like one that shouldn't be a primary charge, it should be one of those "pile it on" charges.

Tell ya what, though I think you are on the wrong side here I will farky you as "gets called cop hater constantly" deal?
 
2009-07-21 02:32:05 AM  
technicolor-misfit :

You think that the prosecution never takes defendent's words and uses them improperly? That's the entire basis of the Miranda rights!

I can certainly put myself in the cop's shoes, but a quiet street in Cambridge in the middle of the afternoon isn't the place where I would jump immediately to the thought "this is a dangerous suspect who probably just killed his ex-wife." And you seem to be taking the cop's word as gospel truth. Don't most people when put in a situation like this tend to paint themselves as the reasonable ones and the other guy as the nut? Perhaps the police officer left out some information from his account? Is that not possible?

I just can't believe you'd bet your last dollar on the story of one guy. Why is it so impossible to believe that Gates was upset, perhaps even a bit irrational, but not totally unjustified in his belief that he would have been treated differently had he been a 58 year old white guy in his house in Cambridge?
 
2009-07-21 02:32:29 AM  
Well, as a young white male with a shaved head who has been stopped five times for looking like a suspect, detained, asked for identification, and had two police officers order me to the ground with guns pointed at me because they had a report of someone with a shaved head with a gun earlier, I feel really bad. Yeah it pissed me off since I hadn't done anything, but I didn't pull the race card. It's clearly racial profiling because they're looking for someone who has committed a crime and you look like the vague description the witnesses have given them since they're all so reliable. He was seen breaking into a home. Maybe he should've been more friendly to his neighbors and they would've recognized him. It happens.

These things happen, to everyone, of any race.
 
2009-07-21 02:36:26 AM  
technicolor-misfit:

Put yourself in the cop's shoes...


Now, why would I put myself in the cop's shoes?

Try putting yourself in the shoes of a man who gets arrested on his own porch for being mad when his neighbours call the cops on him for trying to get his door open! He's a tiny old professor with a damn cane who needed help get his own door open. He also probably had luggage with him if he was coming from the airport.

Since when is yelling at someone an arrestable offense, anyway? I'd like to see the cops try to take on Rahm Emanuel.
 
2009-07-21 02:39:39 AM  
SwingingJohnson: Some more detail in this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/21gates.html

According to his lawyer, Professor Gates told the sergeant that he lived there and showed his Massachusetts driver's license and his Harvard identification card, but Sergeant Crowley still did not seem to believe that Professor Gates lived in the home, a few blocks from Harvard Square. At that point, his lawyer said, Professor Gates grew frustrated and asked for the officer's name and badge number.

Then it went real bad from there.


this is how wbur (boston's npr station) was reporting it- it seems that he beligerance was asking sternly for the officer's badge number...in his own home...after showing his ID...

as someone said before more big dick contest- tinged with a little profiling it seems- though the profiling has a class component as well as race-

a harvard painting professor (white) that is one of my clientele at work was chased down and asked to leave campus because she essentially didn't look like she belonged in the yard (she had her painting cloths on...so she looked like any artist in their painting cloths...a little bohemian) she had to produce id and explain herself... so bad judgment comes in many favors
 
2009-07-21 02:57:36 AM  
bobbette - Now, why would I put myself in the cop's shoes?

Try putting yourself in the shoes of a man who gets arrested on his own porch for being mad when his neighbours call the cops on him for trying to get his door open!


Why would anyone be mad because cops responded to a call about a break-in occuring at their house when they are in fact, trying to break into their house?

How the hell is someone who doesn't know you supposed to determine whether or not you belong there?

That's what's nuts... If that would be your reaction, then you're nuts too.

If his house HAD been broken into, and cops didn't respond then it probably would have been "oh sure, they'll ignore crime and refuse to come to the aid of a black man in America!"

This is the stupidest farking argument I've ever seen on this site, and you people are employing some of the most tortured "logic" I've ever seen, all in an attempt to stick your fingers in your ears and avoid acknowledging the painful fact that in this case, the cop was in the right... and the black guy was an asshole.
 
2009-07-21 03:00:10 AM  
misfit:
This is what bugs the shiat out of me... The cop has a very detailed moment by moment word by word account, and this guy hasn't given one straight "he said... he did..." answer to explain what the cop did that was out of line. That's the mark of a liar who's trying not to get caught in a lie.

And by the way, Gates has given his account (through his lawyer, as every defendent should) of the event. (www.theroot.com/views/lawyers-statement-arrest-henry-louis-gates-jr)

In Gates' account, he doesn't say that he immediately exclaimed "is this because I'm a black man in America!?" Hmmm... I wonder if Gates' statement perhaps leaves some things out? I wonder if Officer Crowley also leaves some things out?

I'm certainly not assuming that all cops are always overreaching, but Crowley's report seems no more likely than Gates' account. Both are likely only parts of the whole truth.

But I'm pretty sure Gates is not some scam artist itching to get arrested and sue. He's also not some hot head punk kid prone to confrontation. He's a Harvard professor who has a reputation for careful, research and a generally mild manner. That's primarily why I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
 
2009-07-21 03:02:56 AM  
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Or hot.
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/can't make up my mind if I'll be ignoring you at Dragon Con.


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call me?
 
2009-07-21 03:03:12 AM  
I arrived back from Japan this morning so kick yadda yadda....
 
2009-07-21 03:14:09 AM  
Speedbts alt - It should never have come to that though. Why can't a cop walk away from a hissy fit? The charge seems like one that shouldn't be a primary charge, it should be one of those "pile it on" charges.

Tell ya what, though I think you are on the wrong side here I will farky you as "gets called cop hater constantly" deal?



In the first place, why... when you acknowledge that Gates was out of line, do you act as if it's the cop's duty to suck it up and walk off with his tail tucked between his legs?

If I came up and called your SO a coont would you walk off? If I followed you down the street and kept calling her a coont and a whore and screaming to everyone around what a coont-whore she was? If you told me three times to stop and walk away?

This wasn't a case of a cop demanding boot-licking subservience... This was someone who was belligerent, uncooperative, and flat-out refusing to comply with perfectly reasonable requests, and who then repeatedly and baselessly insulted, badgered and demeaned the cop even in the face of multiple warnings that he would be arrested if he did not stop his tirade... for no other reason than the cop was performing his duty as he is tasked to do and attempting to protect the man's own property.

And yes, the cop DID try to walk away... and Gates kept screaming to the gathered onlookers "This is what happens to black men in America. You see how they treat black men in America? You see how he's treating me" The cop tried numerous times to ask him to stop screaming and warned him that he'd be forced to arrest him if he didn't, and Gates repeatedly refused.

I'm simply astounded this is even being debated.
 
2009-07-21 03:22:43 AM  
Dobbler - But I'm pretty sure Gates is not some scam artist itching to get arrested and sue. He's also not some hot head punk kid prone to confrontation. He's a Harvard professor who has a reputation for careful, research and a generally mild manner. That's primarily why I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think he's either of those things... I think he's a man who was embarrassed and, not being accustomed to being embarrassed, lashed out, and then out of ego, couldn't STOP lashing out and admit he was wrong.

I don't really know any professors, but I work with a lot of doctors, and I've seen this behavior from them. People don't generally tell them they're wrong, and they're accustomed to being deferred to, and one of the things most apt to set them off is when something happens and it's clear they're in the wrong.

When a doctor shows up late to a meeting, he'll bark at you because he can't stand the fact that he owes you an apology.

I believe that's exactly what I think happened here, and I believe he's just painted himself into a corner where he can't fess up and back down without considerable humiliation.
 
2009-07-21 03:30:14 AM  
technicolor misfit:
Why would anyone be mad because cops responded to a call about a break-in occuring at their house when they are in fact, trying to break into their house?

Exactly! That's partly why the police report seems false. Gates immediately becomes a crazy person in Crowley's story. (Of course, Gates seems quite reasonable in his own version.) Perhaps Gates was upset not because the police responded to a call, but because Officer Crowley automatically acted like he couldn't believe that Gates lived there and was a professor at Harvard.

When the officer saw a 58 year old guy in glasses with a cane standing in plain view just inside his front door, not running away, why didn't he ask: "Are you ok? Did you notice anyone breaking into this house? We had a report and we just wanted to make sure everyone is ok." He could still ask for ID, but without assuming the worst. Surely this isn't the only time this officer has responded to a non-crime.

I don't think this is tortured logic. It's tortured logic to believe in a police report that claims a normally mild mannered professor with no history of law breaking became an enraged lunatic without provocation.
 
2009-07-21 03:34:59 AM  
technicolor-misfit:


In the first place, why... when you acknowledge that Gates was out of line, do you act as if it's the cop's duty to suck it up and walk off with his tail tucked between his legs?



I said the cop could be right to tell him to STFU. Now surely there is some room between "walking off with his tail tucked between his legs" and ARRESTING the man. Do you not see that?

If I came up and called your SO a coont would you walk off? If I followed you down the street and kept calling her a coont and a whore and screaming to everyone around what a coont-whore she was? If you told me three times to stop and walk away?


WTF?


The cop tried numerous times to ask him to stop screaming and warned him that he'd be forced to arrest him


Forced? Forced? No, like I said the whole "this is how you treat a black man" thing is no worse I am sure then he hears on the street. I'm talking about arresting a man who followed your every command. Maybe not as quickly and politely as you would have liked but in the end the cop won. Everyone eats shiat at their work. The more important their job the more they eat. I've had grown men tell me to fark off during negotiations. It's part of the job. If you can't handle it you shouldn't do it for a living.



I'm simply astounded this is even being debated.


Hey I just said your post was "badge licker"ish. You are the one who overreacted with your tome post, you're lucky I don't arrest you.
 
2009-07-21 03:39:49 AM  
By the way, technicolor misfit. I enjoy the writing of Vonnegut, Steinbeck and Irving as well.

Another of my favorites is Poe Ballentine. He wrote God Clobbers Us All and The Decline of the Lawrence Welk Empire.
 
2009-07-21 03:45:35 AM  
www.extratextual.tv

Is it cos I is black?
 
2009-07-21 03:55:13 AM  
girl6: Fon_Win:

You can't be serious?

No, I can't be serious. Except for that time when the plane was about to crash. They were all counting on me. I was surely serious then.

/and don't call me Shirley.


You're getting favorited, and if you ever want to hang out, I'm in San Jose. Well, technically Cupertino, but we all know that's a fake city anyway.
 
2009-07-21 04:42:48 AM  
mediablitz: "He was arrested on a disorderly conduct charge after police said he 'exhibited loud and tumultuous behavior.' He was released later that day on his own recognizance. An arraignment was scheduled for Aug. 26. Police refused to comment on the arrest."

He wasn't arrested for breaking into his own house.

No shiate. We can all RTFA.

He was arrested for being an ass.

Being an ass on your own property in the privacy of your own home is a God-given right, not a chargeable offense

He wouldn't come out at first, wouldn't show identification, then made it a black thing.

He provided two forms of identification to the cops and then the cops proceeded to continue questioning him, which he objected to because most people that own a home and have two forms of identification don't have to face an interrogation on why they are in their own homes.

Maybe it wasn't a black thing, maybe the guy overreacted, but the point remains, that's his fscking right to be an asshole in his own house. The cops can't just make up their own laws to harass people that they don't like. The cops mistake is far more egregious.

If I see two people trying to bust a door down, I'm going to call the cops too. This guy had a chip on his shoulder as big as the damn door he broke.

Who cares what you'd do? I don't think very many people are objecting to the police investigating a possible break-in (especially by a negro, cause dem folks are always doin' dat kind of stuff). Almost every logical complaint I've seen stems from the fact that the police arrested a man in his own house for getting uppity with them, which I'm sure they wished was a crime, but it isn't.
 
2009-07-21 06:47:32 AM  
simkatu : Maybe it wasn't a black thing, maybe the guy overreacted, but the point remains, that's his fscking right to be an asshole in his own house. The cops can't just make up their own laws to harass people that they don't like. The cops mistake is far more egregious.

"Here's my id, here's a copy of a bill."

"Can you step outside?"

"Why?"

"Are you refusing to cooperate?"

"Huh?"
 
2009-07-21 06:56:24 AM  
These cops clearly did this guy a favor as he has very little to gripe about these days what with Obama in office. This guy is a relic of another era and while his fight was righteous then in this instance he clearly is grandstanding because it sounds as if he has little left to grandstand about.

This cop is an idiot - should have said "good night" and been the bigger man than a loud mouth Harvard professor. Instead he made this guys year as reward for being an a$$hole.
 
2009-07-21 07:22:14 AM  
Showing up at a reported B&E? Not racism. Asking to see identification, as part of investigating said B&E? Not racism. Arresting the homeowner for "disorderly conduct"? Well, consider the history of the "disorderly conduct" charge - mainly used for breaking up peaceful civil rights protests, harassing minorities, and just plain abuse of power. Few people ever arrested solely on this charge were actually doing anything illegal.
 
2009-07-21 07:32:30 AM  
The police report:

On Thursday July 16, 2009, Henry Gates, Jr. - -, of Ware Street, Cambridge, MA) was placed under arrest at Ware Street, after being observed exhibiting loud and tumultuous behavior, in a public place, directed at a uniformed police officer who was present investigating a report of a crime in progress. These actions on the behalf of Gates served no legitimate purpose and caused citizens passing by this location to stop and take notice while appearing surprised and alarmed.
On the above time and date, I was on uniformed duty in an unmarked police cruiser assigned to the Administration Section, working from 7:00 AM-3:30 PM. At approximately 12:44 PM, I was operating my cruiser on Harvard Street near Ware Street. At that time, I overheard an ECC broadcast for a possible break in progress at Ware Street. Due to my proximity, I responded.

When I arrived at Ware Street I radioed ECC and asked that they have the caller meet me at the front door to this residence. I was told that the caller was already outside. As I was getting this information, I climbed the porch stairs toward the front door. As [reached the door, a female voice called out to me. I looked in the direction of the voice and observed a white female, later identified {} who was standing on the sidewalk in front of the residence, held a wireless telephone in her hand arid told me that it was she who called. She went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch of• Ware Street. She told me that her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry. Since I was the only police officer on location and had my back to the front door as I spoke with her, I asked that she wait for other responding officers while I investigated further.

As I turned and faced the door, I could see an older black male standing in the foyer of {} Ware Street. I made this observation through the glass paned front door. As I stood in plain view of this man, later identified as Gates, I asked if he would step out onto the porch and speak with me. He replied "no I will not". He then demanded to know who I was. I told him that I was "Sgt. Crowley from the Cambridge Police" and that I was "investigating a report of a break in progress" at the residence. While I was making this statement, Gates opened the front door and exclaimed "why, because I'm a black man in America?". I then asked Gates if there was anyone else in the residence. While yelling, he told me that it was none of my business and accused me of being a racist police officer. I assured Gates that I was responding to a citizen's call to the Cambridge Police and that the caller was outside as we spoke. Gates seemed to ignore me and picked up a cordless telephone and dialed an unknown telephone number. As he did so, I radioed on channel I that I was off in the residence with someone who appeared to be a resident but very uncooperative. I then overheard Gates asking the person on the other end of his telephone call to "get the chief' and "whats the chiefs name?'. Gates was telling the person on the other end of the call that he was dealing with a racist police officer in his home. Gates then turned to me and told me that I had no idea who I was "messing" with and that I had not heard the last of it. While I was led to believe that Gates was lawfully in the residence, I was quite surprised and confused with the behavior he exhibited toward me. I asked Gates to provide me with photo identification so that I could verify that he resided at Ware Street and so that I could radio my findings to ECC. Gates initially refused, demanding that I show him identification but then did supply me with a Harvard University identification card. Upon learning that Gates was affiliated with Harvard, I radioed and requested the presence of the Harvard University Police.

With the Harvard University identification in hand, I radioed my findings to ECC on channel two and prepared to leave. Gates again asked for my name which I began to provide. Gates began to yell over my spoken words by accusing me of being a racist police officer and leveling threats that he wasn't someone to mess with. At some point during this exchange, I became aware that Off. Carlos Figueroa was standing behind me. When Gates asked a third time for my name, I explained to him that I had provided it at his request two separate times. Gates continued to yell at me. I told Gates that I was leaving his residence and that if he had any other questions regarding the matter, I would speak with him outside of the residence.

As I began walking through the foyer toward the front door, I could hear Gates agai,n demanding my name. I again told Gates that I would speak with him outside. My reason for wanting to leave the residence was that Gates was yelling very loud and the acoustics of the kitchen and foyer were making it difficult for me to transmit pertinent information to ECC or other responding units. His reply was "ya, I'll speak with your mama outside". When I left the residence, I noted that there were several Cambridge and Harvard University police officers assembled on the sidewalk in front of the residence. Additionally, the caller, md at least seven unidentified passers-by were looking in the direction of Gates, who had followed me outside of the residence.

As I descended the stairs to the sidewalk, Gates continued to yell at me, accusing me of racial bias and continued to tell me that I had not heard the last of him. Due to the tumultuous manner Gates had exhibited in his residence as well as his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public, I warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Gates ignored my warning and continued to yell, which drew the attention of both the police officers and citizens, who appeared surprised and alarmed by Gates's outburst. For a second time I warned Gates to calm down while I withdrew my department issued handcuffs from their carrying case. Gates again ignored my warning and continued to yell at me. It was at this time that I informed Gates that he was under arrest. I then stepped up the stairs, onto the porch and attempted to place handcuffs on Gates. Gates initially resisted my attempt to handcuff him, yelling that he was "disabled" and would fall without his cane. After the handcuffs were property applied, Gates complained that they were too tight. I ordered Off. Ivey, who was among the responding officers, to handcuff Gates with his arms in front of him for his comfort while I secured a cane for Gates from within the residence. I then asked Gates if he would like an officer to take possession of his house key and secure his front door, which he left wide open. Gates told me that the door was un securable due to a previous break attempt at the residence. Shortly thereafter, a Harvard University maintenance person arrived on scene and appeared familiar with Gates. I asked Gates if he was comfortable with this Harvard University maintenance person securing his residence. He told me that he was.
After a brief consultation with Sgt. Lashley and upon Gates's request, he was transported to 125 6th. Street in a police cruiser (Car 1, Off's Graham and Ivey) where he was booked and processed by Off. J. P. Crowley.
 
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