Fish in a Barrel: Unless there are witnesses, we'll never really know what happened. It's just a case of he-said/he-said. Until then, this is just a Rorschach test for your views on race and the police.
GentlemanJ: ///Condi in 2012!
technicolor-misfit: Void_Beavis - technicolor-misfit: Anybody ever see the COPS episode where they were responding to a breaking and entering call, got to the house and found a dude inside, and he claimed it was his house but he'd misplaced his keys, and they looked at the mail on the kitchen table and said "how come all the mail is addressed to a woman with a different last name from you?" and he said it was his cousin's house, but he was living there with her, and they said "okay, as soon as we talk to your cousin, we'll be on our way" and when they got in touch with the homeowner, she told them she had never heard of him?What a pack of racist pricks those guys were.Oh wow. So you judge police action based on what you see on COPS? Wow. You are aware that the officers being filmed are completely aware that they are on camera right?Either this or you're a troll.The point had nothing to do with the behavior of the cops on the show. They could have been asses, they could have been choirboys. It's moot.The point was they arrived at a house that was the subject of a breaking and entering call, found a black man inside, and did not leave until they'd verified that he was the legal occupant of the home... which he wasn't.This what everyone here is having a shiat-fit about and calling the cop racist about... for not taking the Prof's word for it when he claimed it was his house.The point was had those cops done what everyone in this thread is saying they should have done, they would have driven off and left a burglar in some lady's house.My calling them "a pack of racist pricks" was sarcasm.If this guy had a legit complaint, he'd have told his side of the story... but he hasn't said squat. Only his lawyer has spoken, and he hasn't said anything either. He's just made vague accusations.The cop has a highly-detailed blow-by-blow report with an independent corroborating witness AND several police from two separate agencies as witnesses as well.
girl6: vudukungfu:You sound fat.Or hot./can't make up my mind.5'5", 135lbs. I've had to look in the mirror to see my feet since I was 13. My DD's block the view./can't make up my mind if I'll be ignoring you at Dragon Con.
tonesskin: GentlemanJ: ///Condi in 2012!Jindal/Condi 2012 with a guarantee that Palin will be Secretary of State. The amount of suckage on that ticket would end the world.
girl6: So, today I'm waiting
MetaCarpal: When I was a teen, police pulled up to investigate me trying to break into my house after I'd lost my keys. If I hadn't been able to produce ID that proved I lived there, I'd have gone to jail, too.
GentlemanJ: -but I definitely want Condi leading the ticket.
girl6: So, today I'm waiting to get into garage parking and the guy in front of me sticks his head out his car window and yells, "This is the cardholder entrance. You need a card to get in." I'm thinking he's at the wrong entrance. "You need me to back up?" I yell, even though there's plenty of room for him to back out. I see him heave a sigh. He gets out of his car, walks back to my car and proceeds to explain patiently to me that the daily parking is on the other side and that I need to go there. He's all, "It's $.75 a minute so(shrugs apologetically) you may want to park somewhere else."I'm all, "Fark you, you pink polo popped collar needle dick Dockers-wearing teabagging fratchoade! I have a card." Just kidding. I thanked him rolled up my window and entered behind him using my card.Then, while I'm waiting in line to get coffee, a woman comes out of the bathroom and says to me, "You need to put toilet paper in there." Not , "They need to put toilet paper in there."I'm all, "Fark you, you pinched-faced wrinkled at 30 bleached blond puking up every meal fake ass skank ho!" Just kidding. I said, "I don't work here," as I adjusted the strap on my briefcase. She says, "Oh."That was just the first hour of the day. Today. I won't even talk about what happens when I get on an elevator. Or walk into a store. Or visit the doctor. Or go to the library. Or walk down the street. And I'm intelligent, clean, mainstream, articulate and good looking. I'm also very obviously a woman. In Oakland, CA. I can't imagine what a black man has to deal with every day at Harvard.So, yeah. Dr. Gates was probably not in a good mood by the end of the day. He just wanted to get home, order take out, smoke a bowl and chill. But no. He's seriously lucky he didn't get shot.The cop had no legal reason to remain once he verified identification. But he had to put that uppity colored man in his place and that place is jail--once he realized he couldn't shoot him. In his own home. After he showed ID. Like this was Stalinist Russia or something.
SuperNinjaToad: Not to play devil's advocate but how do you know it wasn't the cop who was an ass first?
SuperNinjaToad: and then people like you ALWAYS gives the cop the benefit of doubt!
Egalitarian: Now it was very unwise of him to throw a temper tantrum in front of cops, but to pretend there isn't some racial bias in this is also pretty stupid.
chu2dogg: Whatever will us po' oppressed white males do?! If only we got a fair shake here in Amerikkka!And do you not think white people get shiat from cops as well?
girl6: You don't believe me 'cos I'm articulate
what_now: locks himself out
girl6: You don't believe me 'cos I'm articulate. Are you a cop?www dot spockjones dot blogspot dot com
GentlemanJ: That's funny, I thought Condoleezza Rice was the pre-eminent Black scholar in America, if by "pre-eminent" you mean famous./And would know not to get in a screaming match with police! I mean, seriously, how smart do you have to be? I'm not a professor, but even I know that one answers calmly, accurately, and politely when cops ask you a question.//This guy is a schmuck, IMO.///Condi in 2012!
mediablitz: girl6: You don't believe me 'cos I'm articulate. Are you a cop?www dot spockjones dot blogspot dot comso are you wishing and hoping for gender reassignment surgery?I don't believe you because you are amazingly simplistic in your sad attempt to alt. You need to try a LOT harder to be convincing.
girl6: mediablitz:You are going to have to put in a lot more work than that to make this alt convincing.1/10You don't believe me 'cos I'm articulate. Are you a cop?www dot spockjones dot blogspot dot com
technicolor-misfit: How many professsors do you know and recognize on sight? (that you haven't had a class with)
girl6: Rigban:You sound fat. And Goth.You sound malodorous. And fat. Like your mom and your girlfriend.
girl6: *fist bumps gentlemanj*Not an Oaktown original but been here 10yrs and digging the scene with a gangsta lean On Wood st. in the Lower Bottoms.I know your blog, I think. A link from Sinclair Klugarsh, maybe? Cool.
technicolor-misfit: SwingingJohnson - After they saw his ID they had no business arresting him on his own property without a warrant.If he was being disorderly, sure they did.I'm no badge-licker, but I'm glad people get arrested for acting like pricks to cops. (unless the cops start it) You don't get to insult and berate people just because you're irritated. Especially when they're simply doing a job they have to do.And the issue here was even after he showed his ID he was still being questioned. I'd be farking pissed off too if some cop was acting intimidating and continued questioning me after it was verified that it was my own home."Acting intimidating?" Show me that source... I can't even find were Gates' lawyer says that, and Gates isn't saying anything.Where does it say the cop was belligerent? The only one quoted in the story as being belligerent was Bates. "Why because I'm a black man in America?"Even if the cop did "continue questioning" him, when you refuse to comply with a reasonable, obvious, and easily satisfiable request, it arouses suspicion. That calls for further questioning.Have you even read the police report? The police report sounds flat, even-handed, and completely believable... The tone is one of complete "WTF?" He doesn't even make Gates out to be an asshole... It's more like "I don't know why, but dude just kept going off" If he made it up, he needs to be a novelist instead of a cop, because he has an absolute gift.
technicolor-misfit: Majin_Buu - He was arrested on a disorderly conduct charge after police said he "exhibited loud and tumultuous behavior."Anybody in an assumed position of authority who says something like that needs to have their neck broken three times so that the rest of us can continue on in life with .06% less stupid. Sounds ex-farking-actly like the usual mid-to-late-90's authoritarian language-vomit I was raised to shake my fist at.Don't be a dumbass, it's the language of the law, probably word for word from the criminal code. Cops write that way to explain the arrest and make the charges stick. "This is the law he broke, and this is how he broke it... exactly like it says in the book that defines its illegality."And it's really easy to avoid... Don't yell at cops. Anybody over the age of five shouldn't have to be told not to yell at someone else, but it's especially stupid when the recipient pf your verbal abuse has the power to arrest you.I have little sympathy with tantrum-throwers. If you're an adult and haven't learned to express yourself without screaming, I'm all for you getting a little time-out in which to think about more effective communication techniques.
technicolor-misfit: Even if the cop did "continue questioning" him, when you refuse to comply with a reasonable, obvious, and easily satisfiable request, it arouses suspicion. That calls for further questioning.
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