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2009-07-21 01:09:46 AM
Plus remember they'd have to provide a fake violin bow for some guitar parts.
 
2009-07-21 04:37:45 AM
guitar hero is so like like 2007. any dumbfark still learning a fake instrument needs to stfu. so sorry if you still spend your fridays clusteredfarked infront of a buddy's TV, but guitar hero is totally gay. i'm not even gonna make the argument that it exposes kids to awesome music b/c we are stupid and usually don't appreciate the past so instead i will use your time to reiterate how gay it is to devote any effort to guitar hero when you could just as easily be playing madden or halo.

/not old enough to have a lawn or know an LP from an EP
//YOU..are..ffaaggss
 
2009-07-21 05:29:03 AM
I want Guitar Hero: Iron Maiden, just to see how impossibly hard Caught Somewhere In Time would be. In fact, it'd be even more insane in Rock Band.

Plus, how awesome would Losfer Words be in Rock Band?
 
2009-07-21 07:18:44 AM
JohnBigBootay: mfaby: Consdiering how well he plays guitar you may want to give his opinion the benefit of the doubt.

Sure - you're right. Assuming one has any interest whatsoever in actually playing the damn thing.


Wait. If you have no interest in it, why in God's name would you play a game called -- wait for it -- Guitar Hero? I've always understood the draw of the game to be the vicarious thrill of playing a real guitar. Which is to say: if you could just snap your fingers or nod your head like Jeannie and become a guitar-playing genius, wouldn't you do it? It's more the time-investment in learning the real instrument than a lack of interest keeping you from it, wouldn't you say?
 
2009-07-21 08:19:34 AM
This is why punk was created
 
2009-07-21 08:24:08 AM
mfaby: februarymakeup 2009-07-20 11:13:35 AM
So, Jimmy Page thinks that people shouldn't be able to play Led Zeppelin tunes on a video game because they aren't as good as Led Zeppelin?

That's dumb.

But still, subsbubsanddubs, he doesn't say anything about it not being a valid means of exposing people to the music. Just the same ol' tired crap about "you should learn to play a real instrument instead"

Wow. I bet you're way under 30 and think that instant gratification isn't fast enough.

Consdiering how well he plays guitar you may want to give his opinion the benefit of the doubt.


Uh...what the hell are you talking about? He does recycle the nonsense about how you should put down the video games and pick up a guitar. What does that have to do with my opinion on instant gratification?

In short, why are you attacking me for refuting something idiotic Jimmy Page said? I'm as willing as anybody to say he's a good guitar player. I'd much rather play the guitar than any given videogame. The does not mean, however, that I agree with Mr. Page here, nor does it mean thatI'm saying anything about "instant gratification".
 
2009-07-21 08:28:59 AM
Clan Xpy:
Don Felder wrote the song in Heavy Metal that they play during the famous bomber sequence.


Uh...are you talking about...um... Heavy Metal? (new window)

Look at the credits, that's almost an Eagles song too!

(Strumming a guitar in 20 hours != playing a song, bub, and you know it)
 
2009-07-21 09:03:17 AM
bluesbox: I've always understood the draw of the game to be the vicarious thrill of playing a real guitar

No, not at all. It's Simon with a guitar-like controller and better soundtrack. Really, you terrible guitar players need to get a grip or at least some context.
 
2009-07-21 09:55:02 AM
Clan Xpy, you are either an awesome troll or a complete douche.

No matter which one... Bravo. Well done.
 
2009-07-21 10:01:07 AM
Strumming a guitar in 20 hours != playing a song, bub, and you know it

Sure it is. If you can get a simple 4/4 rhythm going and learn some basic I-IV-V changes (G/C/D is a popular one, or D/G/A), you can play rhythm to about ten thousand different songs. Yes, playing lead is much more difficult; yes, even rhythm playing can be much more complex. Still, if you can strum in 4/4 time and make a simple I-IV-V change, you're actually playing the guitar. Don't overthink it.
 
2009-07-21 10:05:34 AM
No, not at all. It's Simon with a guitar-like controller and better soundtrack.

I don't think so. If that's all it was, then there'd be no reason to, e.g., shape the conroller like a guitar or use the fretboard-based UI they use. The standard game controllers would probably work better for a pure pattern-matching game -- the guitar controller is pretty unintuitive when you think about it. It only makes sense if you assume that the intent was to invoke a guitar-playing vibe in the player.

It's pretty obvious that the whole point of the game is to make the player feel in some way as though they're playing rock guitar. (Which is why there are no accordion songs, schottisches, square-dances, or other rhytmic tunes that would work fine in a Simon-type rhythm game.)
 
2009-07-21 10:27:14 AM
Nothing brings out the brazen douchebag in people like Guitar Hero/Rock Band threads. We get it, you're better than other people because you DON'T play a video game that features a plastic baby guitar, even though you may or may not actually know how to play a real instrument. Christ, it's a video game, people. Get over yourselves.
 
2009-07-21 10:27:37 AM
I picked up a Guitar Hero (Metallica) set last week during a trip to Singapore. Played it once and found that I have discovered yet another thing that I can really really suck at.

Had to go play a few bars on my (real) guitar just to feel good about myself again. Now I quiver at the thought of touching the guitar controller again.

The wifey is not going to be happy... :(
 
2009-07-21 10:29:08 AM
bluesbox: Wait. If you have no interest in it, why in God's name would you play a game called -- wait for it -- Guitar Hero? I've always understood the draw of the game to be the vicarious thrill of playing a real guitar. Which is to say: if you could just snap your fingers or nod your head like Jeannie and become a guitar-playing genius, wouldn't you do it? It's more the time-investment in learning the real instrument than a lack of interest keeping you from it, wouldn't you say

Dude, it's a video game. Now I personally have no interest - don't own any of the damn things. But millions do. If you can't imagine why people would want to play guitar hero, but not guitar you're really not gonna get Grand Theft Auto.
 
2009-07-21 10:38:46 AM
Gamer Grrrl: Gimme a break. I'm a 34-year-old with a full time, a husband, and very little free time. What would learning to play the REAL guitar do for me? Nothing.

Wrong.

And maybe he sees it as an easy way out so you can justify not learning.

Don't get me wrong, I have Rock Band, it's fun, but I could see how rock musicians would feel that way with RB enabling that attitude.
 
2009-07-21 10:38:53 AM
Led Zeppelin Guitar Hero: Where you can hit only half the notes and still be an "EXPERT!"

I love Jimmy Page, but man he has some bad performances throughout his career.

Plus he's stupid. 10 years from now, the upcoming generation of guitar players will be covering all this classic rock EXCEPT Led Zeppelin.

(I play Led Zeppelin on real guitar better than I play ANYTHING on Guitar Hero, but that's not saying much.)
 
2009-07-21 10:47:00 AM
I play Led Zeppelin on real guitar better than I play ANYTHING on Guitar Hero, but that's not saying much.

Lots of the stuff on GH, at least, is horribly transcribed and bears very little resemblance to the actual tune. It's hard for me to play e.g. a lot of the speed-metal stuff not just because I'm Mr. Fumblefingers (though that's a lot of it), but also because the screen cues don't seem to match up with the song in any meaningful way, so it's hard to get into any kind of rhythmic groove. And this is only on Medium difficulty -- at Hard and Expert, the screen-cues barely even follow the music as far as I can tell.
 
2009-07-21 11:19:57 AM
Look dumbasses - here's the rub: Most folk are playing video games and guitar hero specifically to enjoy the activity with other people. If you grab 3 other people and say let's go play GH, lots of them will say 'hell yeah'! Those same people will often remember something they needed to go home for if you grab your old flat-top for a singalong - frequently even if you're a good player. Often times friends like doing things together. Most people do not play guitar, ergo..... Someone who has never seen GH can pick it up and give it a shot and have a great time. Not so much with an acoustic guitar. Playing the guitar is fantastic - and it has fark-all to do with GH.
 
2009-07-21 11:44:42 AM
bluesbox: That being said: I've played (real) guitar for 20 years and I suck at GH. Being good at one does not make you good at the other

Ditto here. Have played guitar for 30+ years. I suck at GH. My 7 year old nephew is better at GH than me. Comparing GH to a real guitar is like comparing a bassoon to an aardvark. Two entirely different things.
 
2009-07-21 12:00:20 PM
bluesbox: No, not at all. It's Simon with a guitar-like controller and better soundtrack.

I don't think so. If that's all it was, then there'd be no reason to, e.g., shape the conroller like a guitar or use the fretboard-based UI they use. The standard game controllers would probably work better for a pure pattern-matching game -- the guitar controller is pretty unintuitive when you think about it. It only makes sense if you assume that the intent was to invoke a guitar-playing vibe in the player.

It's pretty obvious that the whole point of the game is to make the player feel in some way as though they're playing rock guitar. (Which is why there are no accordion songs, schottisches, square-dances, or other rhytmic tunes that would work fine in a Simon-type rhythm game.)


jeesh what is wrong with you? You KNOW there's more to rythm and feel than that...you're under-thinking it. "Learn to play guitar in 20 hours" utter bullshiat.

/well maybe if you were playing the blues ;)
 
2009-07-21 12:02:32 PM
PC LOAD LETTER: This is why punk was created

For Guitar Homo and Rock Bland? Yeah I can see that. It certainly wasn't made for musicians.

Dav-o: Plus he's stupid. 10 years from now, the upcoming generation of guitar players will be covering all this classic rock EXCEPT Led Zeppelin.

I wish that was true but it isn't. They'll probably be sick and tired of every song from those games. Instead of the songs being a soundtrack to the game, they are the actual game and it'll be impossible to make distinctions in their minds. Zeppelin will never lose its mystique but Aerosmith will because they suck and need games to trick people into hearing their music.
 
2009-07-21 12:08:54 PM
csxtrainwreck:
For Guitar Homo and Rock Bland? Yeah I can see that. It certainly wasn't made for musicians.


/\/\This statement makes you a douchebag...and the envy of your attitude comes through clearly. It's obvious that you and your brethren feel the way you do because when these people are playing these games they arent adoring you watching you play your hackneyd covers of bullshiat songs. Having said that...

Zeppelin will never lose its mystique but Aerosmith will because they suck and need games to trick people into hearing their music.

You are completely correct here.
 
2009-07-21 12:12:21 PM
csxtrainwreck: PC LOAD LETTER: This is why punk was created

For Guitar Homo and Rock Bland? Yeah I can see that. It certainly wasn't made for musicians.


Close-minded troll is close-minded.
 
2009-07-21 12:25:21 PM
Madbassist1: csxtrainwreck:
For Guitar Homo and Rock Bland? Yeah I can see that. It certainly wasn't made for musicians.

/\/\This statement makes you a douchebag...and the envy of your attitude comes through clearly. It's obvious that you and your brethren feel the way you do because when these people are playing these games they arent adoring you watching you play your hackneyd covers of bullshiat songs. Having said that...


Yeah I wasn't looking for honest discourse by saying that. Personally I find it creepy to have people watch. I have a friend who also plays guitar and whenever I see him he'll grab a guitar and make the visit awkward. I know he's just excited to show me how much he's improved or whatever but it gets creepy fast. One time he even put a song on and played along to it. All I could do was just stand there like a jerk. So you're half right. And I'm sour grapes because all I can manage is the karaoke feature on those games. Just admit you're a little dorky by playing that game. That's all.
 
2009-07-21 12:27:26 PM
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2009-07-21 12:31:50 PM
csxtrainwreck: Madbassist1: csxtrainwreck:
For Guitar Homo and Rock Bland? Yeah I can see that. It certainly wasn't made for musicians.

/\/\This statement makes you a douchebag...and the envy of your attitude comes through clearly. It's obvious that you and your brethren feel the way you do because when these people are playing these games they arent adoring you watching you play your hackneyd covers of bullshiat songs. Having said that...

Yeah I wasn't looking for honest discourse by saying that. Personally I find it creepy to have people watch. I have a friend who also plays guitar and whenever I see him he'll grab a guitar and make the visit awkward. I know he's just excited to show me how much he's improved or whatever but it gets creepy fast. One time he even put a song on and played along to it. All I could do was just stand there like a jerk. So you're half right. And I'm sour grapes because all I can manage is the karaoke feature on those games. Just admit you're a little dorky by playing that game. That's all.


Done and DONE. I am indeed a little dorky.
 
2009-07-21 12:46:15 PM
I dunno, reading all the Zep/Page bashing here it seems that most of you people are the arrogant, self-important douche-nozzles you accuse him of being, all butt-hurt because Page doesn't care about your widdle video gamey wamey.
Learning is haaard, video games are fuuuun, why cant Jimmy Page see what this means to me and my sense of identity... waaaahhh waaaaahh...
Grow up, get over yourselves...
oh yeah... this is fark...
 
2009-07-21 01:28:37 PM
Gandalf_is_dead: I dunno, reading all the Zep/Page bashing here it seems that most of you people are the arrogant, self-important douche-nozzles you accuse him of being, all butt-hurt because Page doesn't care about your widdle video gamey wamey.
Learning is haaard, video games are fuuuun, why cant Jimmy Page see what this means to me and my sense of identity... waaaahhh waaaaahh...
Grow up, get over yourselves...
oh yeah... this is fark...


Do people actually think that refusing to call out individual farkers and then inserting sarcastic baby-talk into their posts has any kind of impact? Not saying I disagree, Zep is forever cool in my book, but atleast have the guts to call them out by name.
 
2009-07-21 02:17:53 PM
OH GOD WHAT A SELLOUT! I mean, wait, no he's really not.

/Farkers will mock it and get all wharrgarbl-y whichever way anybody goes. Sellout? Elitist? Purist? You decide!
 
2009-07-21 03:33:12 PM
Oh fark, he's one of those "Play a real instrument" assholes.

It always hurts finding out that one of your idols is a complete and utter idiot.
 
2009-07-21 03:34:23 PM
pureobscure: OH GOD WHAT A SELLOUT! I mean, wait, no he's really not.

The folks at Cadillac disagree with you. (new window)
 
2009-07-21 04:01:16 PM
Martstar: Well, this is what Page was doing at 14, fwiw.

I love that he's going in to biological research to find a cure for cancer, if one hasn't been found yet. How'd that work out for you, Pagey?
 
2009-07-21 04:16:54 PM
Dav-o: Led Zeppelin Guitar Hero: Where you can hit only half the notes and still be an "EXPERT!"

I love Jimmy Page, but man he has some bad performances throughout his career.

Plus he's stupid. 10 years from now, the upcoming generation of guitar players will be covering all this classic rock EXCEPT Led Zeppelin.

(I play Led Zeppelin on real guitar better than I play ANYTHING on Guitar Hero, but that's not saying much.)




If the upcoming generation learned rock music through that game I will weep. I was born in the late 80's way past rock musics prime. But even as a child I remember hearing this style of music. By the time I was 18 I began rediscovering music I heard throughout my childhood. Pink Floyd and Tom Petty early on, but I quickly discovered and loved Led Zeppelin. The first time I heard in the evening was total Deja Vu. Since then I've built quite a collection of "classic rock" and none of it through introduction by a game. I guess you could learn because of it, but to insinuate that the next round of musicians won't know led zeppelin because it wasn't in rock band is weapons grade bs.

If you like Rock and Roll you could always go online and search out people. I've discovered lots of people just on youtube.
 
2009-07-21 04:48:25 PM
Jayzbo: Dav-o: Led Zeppelin Guitar Hero: Where you can hit only half the notes and still be an "EXPERT!"

I love Jimmy Page, but man he has some bad performances throughout his career.

Plus he's stupid. 10 years from now, the upcoming generation of guitar players will be covering all this classic rock EXCEPT Led Zeppelin.

(I play Led Zeppelin on real guitar better than I play ANYTHING on Guitar Hero, but that's not saying much.)



If the upcoming generation learned rock music through that game I will weep. I was born in the late 80's way past rock musics prime. But even as a child I remember hearing this style of music. By the time I was 18 I began rediscovering music I heard throughout my childhood. Pink Floyd and Tom Petty early on, but I quickly discovered and loved Led Zeppelin. The first time I heard in the evening was total Deja Vu. Since then I've built quite a collection of "classic rock" and none of it through introduction by a game. I guess you could learn because of it, but to insinuate that the next round of musicians won't know led zeppelin because it wasn't in rock band is weapons grade bs.

If you like Rock and Roll you could always go online and search out people. I've discovered lots of people just on youtube.


Computer speakers, mp3's and cd's - yecch. Just wait until you hear that shiat on vinyl with a decent amp/speakers. No, I am definitely not kidding.
 
2009-07-21 04:53:25 PM
Computer speakers, mp3's and cd's - yecch. Just wait until you hear that shiat on vinyl with a decent amp/speakers. No, I am definitely not kidding.

Oh dear God, another vinyl fanatic. I'm on board with the decent amp/speakers part, but the rest...not so much.

That "vinyl is better" trope is just broke. I can put music up on an oscilloscope and prove it. I don't care how well the turntable is floated, or if you got your diamond needle from Dwarves in Middle Earth: it's not going to sound as good as high-sample-rate digital music. Vinyl is what it is: a medium where the stylus is in phsyical contact with the recording surface. Snap, crackle, pop, hiss, warble.

(The reel-to-reel audiophiles used to make fun of you guys back in the day, do you know that? Your crappy Technics turntable had nothing on their mighty Akai reel-to-reel deck. And so it goes.)
 
2009-07-21 05:03:02 PM
JohnBigBootay: Computer speakers, mp3's and cd's - yecch. Just wait until you hear that shiat on vinyl with a decent amp/speakers. No, I am definitely not kidding.

i66.photobucket.com
 
2009-07-21 06:41:30 PM
one of the greatest guitarists ever is a little biased towards putting in the time to learn a real guitar.

color me stunned
 
2009-07-21 06:46:02 PM
bluesbox: Computer speakers, mp3's and cd's - yecch. Just wait until you hear that shiat on vinyl with a decent amp/speakers. No, I am definitely not kidding.

Oh dear God, another vinyl fanatic. I'm on board with the decent amp/speakers part, but the rest...not so much.

That "vinyl is better" trope is just broke. I can put music up on an oscilloscope and prove it. I don't care how well the turntable is floated, or if you got your diamond needle from Dwarves in Middle Earth: it's not going to sound as good as high-sample-rate digital music. Vinyl is what it is: a medium where the stylus is in phsyical contact with the recording surface. Snap, crackle, pop, hiss, warble.

(The reel-to-reel audiophiles used to make fun of you guys back in the day, do you know that? Your crappy Technics turntable had nothing on their mighty Akai reel-to-reel deck. And so it goes.)


Enjoy your electron shiate bud. I dumped the cd's 8 years ago and I'm never going back. Yeah, I have an ipod for jogging and airplane rides, but if I want to listen to music I crank up the turntable. Luckily I don't have an oscilloscope to tell me I should like something else better. Maybe the big vinyl comeback is due to an oscilloscope shortage? I'm sure if we only knew better I'd do it your way.
 
2009-07-21 06:55:35 PM
JohnBigBootay: Maybe the big vinyl comeback is due to an oscilloscope shortage? misplaced nostalgia and audiophile WHARRGARBL?

FTFY
 
2009-07-21 06:58:11 PM
kblair4: Keith Moon was a better drummer than Bonzo

Musical taste is subjective, but you're simply wrong about that.
 
2009-07-21 06:58:37 PM
I think Page is a little silly. Guitar Hero is just a game. People who want to play games will play games, people who want to be musicians become musicians. It's like the head coach of the Oilers saying "Well, we think instead of kids play hockey video games we'd rather they go buy some skates" It's ridiculous.
By the way if you want to hear great versions of Zep albums, I'd strongly suggest the 200g vinyl remasters. They are incredible. I will give an example! Physical Graffiti - when it first came out, it sounded awesome. The subsequent (80s) releases of the LPs sounded crappy and thin, yet distorted(!?) The first CD release was, like all those initial CD releases, crappy. The remastered is pretty good - almost as good as the first vinyl release. The 200g is DEFINITIVE and AWESOME. Jimmy Page actually assisted the mastering engineer and boy can you hear some new things!
There's a level of audiophilia where the difference is negligible to some people. Some of you, I'm sure it stops at mp3s. Some you, maybe it stops at CDs. I myself like a decent, simple tuner (it can even be solid state), a good turntable with a glass platter (Rega) and a decent entry level cartridge (about 500$). I've heard setups with crazy cables and 6K speakers and vaccuum tube amps and preamps, and it sounds pretty good, but any difference I can hear is not worth the extra money.
 
2009-07-21 07:12:31 PM
HeartBurnKid: JohnBigBootay: Maybe the big vinyl comeback is due to an oscilloscope shortage? misplaced nostalgia and audiophile WHARRGARBL?

FTFY


I have not misplaced my nostalgia. It's in the room with my seet lp collection and the speakers I built myself. What? You guys use store bought speakers? jesus christ, why with only a little effort.....

For the record (no pun intended) I give a rat's farking ass what format your music is in. I prefer vinyl. I don't give a fark if YOU listen to vinyl or not and I don't want to convince you it's better.
 
2009-07-21 07:49:27 PM
kmfjd: Valdes: Because Led Zep doesn't own the rights to all the songs they stole from old blues and folk musicians, and have never admitted to stealing said songs, and wouldn't want to have to have their overblown name tarnished in the mud as a group of blatent rip off artists while the heirs of the people they ripped off come after them for the back royalties they are so owed?

Wow, it only took 5 posts....


and citation needed
 
2009-07-21 07:51:38 PM
JohnBigBootay: HeartBurnKid: JohnBigBootay: Maybe the big vinyl comeback is due to an oscilloscope shortage? misplaced nostalgia and audiophile WHARRGARBL?

FTFY

I have not misplaced my nostalgia. It's in the room with my seet lp collection and the speakers I built myself. What? You guys use store bought speakers? jesus christ, why with only a little effort.....

For the record (no pun intended) I give a rat's farking ass what format your music is in. I prefer vinyl. I don't give a fark if YOU listen to vinyl or not and I don't want to convince you it's better.


So this wasn't you then?

JohnBigBootay: Computer speakers, mp3's and cd's - yecch. Just wait until you hear that shiat on vinyl with a decent amp/speakers. No, I am definitely not kidding.
 
2009-07-22 03:19:02 PM
i understand both sides of the argument.

my guess, for the right amount of bucks he would have consented.
although, he's probably still using peter grant's business plan in managing led zep's oeuvre.

oh, and led zep 'fans' are right up there with brangelina fans. yikes, they're a scary bunch.
 
2009-07-22 10:41:17 PM
februarymakeup: In short, why are you attacking me for refuting something idiotic Jimmy Page said? I'm as willing as anybody to say he's a good guitar player. I'd much rather play the guitar than any given videogame. The does not mean, however, that I agree with Mr. Page here, nor does it mean thatI'm saying anything about "instant gratification".

What do you think Rockstar is if not instant gratification?

Hit some buttons while watching a screen and claim you can 'play'
Black Dog.

And what Page said isn't re-hased crap, contrary to your opinion.
 
2009-07-23 09:50:18 AM
mfaby: februarymakeup: In short, why are you attacking me for refuting something idiotic Jimmy Page said? I'm as willing as anybody to say he's a good guitar player. I'd much rather play the guitar than any given videogame. The does not mean, however, that I agree with Mr. Page here, nor does it mean thatI'm saying anything about "instant gratification".

What do you think Rockstar is if not instant gratification?

Hit some buttons while watching a screen and claim you can 'play'
Black Dog.

And what Page said isn't re-hased crap, contrary to your opinion.


Sure it's instant gratifcation, but wanting occasional instant gratification doesn't mean it's the only kind of gratification that you're willing to go for.

I don't really play GH or RB (although I'm not opposed to it, and it's been fun the handful of times I have), and I've never met anyone, even among those who do, who claims that they can play any of the songs in the game simply because they're good at the game.

And it is rehashed crap. It's the exact same argument that people like you, who have no idea what they're talking about, make all the time. and it's been readily debunked by many, many people over the course of not only this thread, but any of the hundreds of others that have come up around here in the last couple of years.
 
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