The overwhelming majority of fans (and not just Reds fans) want him reinstated. But then Selig has never seemed to grasp the whole "give the people what they want" concept. Maybe he will after UFC overtakes MLB in popularity.

If you let even ONE douche into the hall who was caught taking steroids, or fail to kick out anyone who is found out to have been taking steroids. Then there is NO REASON this man shouldnt be there.

He bet for his team and betting does not change results. Steroids do.

sentex: Rose is just going to take up plaque space from more deserving players like Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Rodriguez, Clemens, and Manny.

It never ceases to amaze me how many times over the years that I've seen a misspelling of Mark McGwire's name. Is it really that farking hard to spell his name?

Sorry, pet peeve. Carry on.

mjoven1975: sentex: Rose is just going to take up plaque space from more deserving players like Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Rodriguez, Clemens, and Manny.

It never ceases to amaze me how many times over the years that I've seen a misspelling of Mark McGwire's name. Is it really that farking hard to spell his name?

Sorry, pet peeve. Carry on.

McHGHwire

the HOF will be a mockery in 10-15 years if baseball "purists" choose to keep Pete out & also choose to punish the entire "juiced era" group.

All Time career hits leader
All Time Home Runs leader
Single Season Home Runs leader
2nd in all time Strikeouts
In fact, 6 of the top 12 overall in career HRs are part of the "steriod era"

If the HOF exists to honor the greatest players & be a history of the game, you have to let them in.

This thread is bound to be filled with intelligent, level-headed discourse.

Giamatti farked it all up in the first place.

MLB should have banned Pete Rose from managing or coaching forever, and left everything else alone. Let the HoF votes do whatever they do. Banning Pete Rose entirely from any MLB event is one of the moran moves of all time.

Yeah, Pete farked up himself. The punishment doesn't fit the crime though, and it never did. And, that was before all of the other various train wrecks in MLB since Pete Rose.

Donnchadha: Benevolent Misanthrope: If you're going to disqualify Rose, then you should disqualify every player that ever got caught juicing, corking, pine-tarring, or otherwise breaking the rules.

[George Brett pic]

Does not approve.

Brett was no stranger to 'roids (^)

Benevolent Misanthrope: mjoven1975: sentex: Rose is just going to take up plaque space from more deserving players like Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Rodriguez, Clemens, and Manny.

It never ceases to amaze me how many times over the years that I've seen a misspelling of Mark McGwire's name. Is it really that farking hard to spell his name?

I know. You'd think Mark would learn to spell it correctly, like the rest of the world.

Like those whores, the McGuire sisters?

Rose will get in. Selig will not. Fark Selig.

mjoven1975:
Like those whores, the McGuire sisters?

I farked the McGuire sisters. You bet they were juicing.

kilgorn: Rose will get in. Selig will not. Fark Selig.

Rose can get in anytime he wants. He just needs to pay his admission ticket.

/He should be in

At least Rose has got the WWE Hall of Fame to fall back on.

For crying out loud- SOMEBODY had all those hits! Put him in I say! The HOF has worse in it now.

DaGenius: At least Rose has got the WWE Hall of Fame to fall back on.

So if he gets into baseballs HOF does Kane get to chokeslam him on induction day? I would pay PPV money to see that!

Everyone points out that he bet on his team to WIN. Never mind the fact that he originally claimed to have not bet on them at all, then he claimed he only bet on them to win. Why should MLB believe he never bet against his own team?

No gambling on baseball is a rule every player knows about and has known about for the last 90 years.

kpottruff: DaGenius: At least Rose has got the WWE Hall of Fame to fall back on.

So if he gets into baseballs HOF does Kane get to chokeslam him on induction day? I would pay PPV money to see that!



like this I mean.

They took back the George Brett, pine-tar incident.

Why not? There are already bigger cheaters in the Hall as it is. [citation needed] Anyone who thinks otherwise is full of hogwash and lima beans.

mjoven1975: It never ceases to amaze me how many times over the years that I've seen a misspelling of Mark McGwire's name. Is it really that farking hard to spell his name?

Sorry, pet peeve. Carry on.

It never ceases to amaze me how many doucheballs on Fark have spelling pet peeves.

1. Reinstate Pete Rose.
2. IMMEDIATELY enshrine him in Cooperstown. He deserves it.
3. Issue apology for being such douchenozzles about the whole thing.<sup>1

1.</sup> People gamble. That's what they do. Hell, the US Military gambles with human lives every day, and they give those people medals for it! What Charlie Hustle did didn't kill anyone, and only hurt himself, really. It's time we cut Pete Rose the break he's deserved for years.

I love gambling.

Die Polizei:

It never ceases to amaze me how many doucheballs on Fark have spelling pet peeves.

Douche-balls should be hyphenated.

IslanderInExile: Die Polizei:

It never ceases to amaze me how many doucheballs on Fark have spelling pet peeves.

Douche-balls should be hyphenated.

Really? Is it basketballs or basket-balls?

Keep in mind that if you have a lot of money riding on your team to win, you might manage in a different sort of way. Maybe burn your 'pen up a little more or something. Normally, you manage in the fashion that is best for winning over a whole season. So any sort of change can only be for the worse, longterm.

I want Rose in the hall, but you can't just say "He only bet on his team, so no harm done."

I'd rather see Shoeless Joe in first.

kpottruff: kpottruff: DaGenius: At least Rose has got the WWE Hall of Fame to fall back on.

So if he gets into baseballs HOF does Kane get to chokeslam him on induction day? I would pay PPV money to see that!



like this I mean.

This is the scary thing: That's 11 years old, and they ran it for three Manias in a row.

The DBS: Everyone points out that he bet on his team to WIN. Never mind the fact that he originally claimed to have not bet on them at all, then he claimed he only bet on them to win. Why should MLB believe he never bet against his own team?

No gambling on baseball is a rule every player knows about and has known about for the last 90 years.


Every player knows about "no steroids" too. What difference do you think that's made?

For the record, I agree with Benevolent Misanthrope. If you're gonna enforce rules, be consistent. Gambling is by no means worse than juicing - it's just another form of cheating in the game. Ban Rose, fine. But ban everyone else who cheats as well. Or let him the fark into the Hall.

I have his autograph, got it at an auto-action from the man himself. How much do you think its worth?

I love people that just don't get it.

1) Rose bet on baseball games, a punishment that, per rules, requires a mandatory 1 year suspension. He also bet on games that he had a part in (as manager), which, per rules, is a lifetime ban. This can't be compared to steroids until someone tests positive 3 times. At this point, though, nobody that tested positive for steroids even once is eligible yet, since it's only been against the rules of baseball for a few years now.

2) "Rose only bet on the Reds to win, not to lose." True... but c'mon. If you bet $10,000 on today's game, and you have nothing riding on tomorrow's, aren't you going to let your top reliever throw a few more pitches, thus making him unavailable for tomorrow, or other similar things? By either betting on the Reds to win or not at all, he was effectively betting against them on the days he didn't bet on them.

3) "Give Rose the break he deserves." REALLY? What did he do to deserve a break? Lie about everything for 15 years before finally admitting some things just because it helped him sell a book? Rose is and always has been a scumbag, and isn't deserving of any break.

4) HE VOLUNTARILY SIGNED AN AGREEMENT BANNING HIM FROM BASEBALL FOR LIFE. He did this to avoid prosecution for his gambling... he chose self-preservation over ever having a legitimate argument for re-instatement.

The Hall is about more than just pure numbers... look at the Hall's requirements, and "character" is one of the criteria considered.

what part of "lifetime" ban don't you farkers get?

Dafatone: Keep in mind that if you have a lot of money riding on your team to win, you might manage in a different sort of way. Maybe burn your 'pen up a little more or something. Normally, you manage in the fashion that is best for winning over a whole season. So any sort of change can only be for the worse, longterm.

I want Rose in the hall, but you can't just say "He only bet on his team, so no harm done."

I'd rather see Shoeless Joe in first.

Spot on. I couldn't agree more. Betting on his own games is an big deal even if it was for his team.

Personally, I'd like to see some recognition for the all-time hit leader in the hall, but he should not be aloud anywhere near the game and neither should any guy who bets on his own sport.

I think Rome put it best when he said that if people can't believe what they're seeing is on the up and up, they may as well watch pro wrestling. If I don't believe the outcome is legit due players or officials affecting games because of gambling interests, I'm out. Doing things to get an edge has always and always will be part of the game and at least it's done to help a player to better and for their team to win. That's why gambling is much worse than steroids or guys being criminals IMO.

I know if he got in that Pete would do everything he can to cash in on that, but that's how he is.

vonteego3:

The Hall is about more than just pure numbers... look at the Hall's requirements, and "character" is one of the criteria considered.

You deflated your entire argument by this silly statement. Explain to me if "character" is a HOF requirement how Rickey got in first ballot with nearly 95 percent of vote?

Do you remember how he farking publicly humiliated Lou Brock when he broke his record?

A lot of athletes have addiction problems. Mickey Mantle immediately comes to mind. Rose's, unfortunately, was for gambling.

Here's the separation though - Rose should be considered for his days as a PLAYER - not a manager. Joe Torre is going to go into the HOF as a manager, not a player. Pete Rose is going to go in as a player, not a manager. Rose's transgressions happened when he was a manager, not a player.

I personally think Rose should be in. His crimes happened 15 years ago now, he's been publicly humiliated, he went to jail, and he's not doing well financially. He'll never work in baseball again.

Die Polizei: IslanderInExile: Die Polizei:

It never ceases to amaze me how many doucheballs on Fark have spelling pet peeves.

Douche-balls should be hyphenated.

Really? Is it basketballs or basket-balls?

Learn how to take a joke, doucheball.

FightDirector: The DBS: Everyone points out that he bet on his team to WIN. Never mind the fact that he originally claimed to have not bet on them at all, then he claimed he only bet on them to win. Why should MLB believe he never bet against his own team?

No gambling on baseball is a rule every player knows about and has known about for the last 90 years.


Every player knows about "no steroids" too. What difference do you think that's made?

For the record, I agree with Benevolent Misanthrope. If you're gonna enforce rules, be consistent. Gambling is by no means worse than juicing - it's just another form of cheating in the game. Ban Rose, fine. But ban everyone else who cheats as well. Or let him the fark into the Hall.


Gambling on baseball isn't cheating it is violating the integrity of the game. That is much worse than cheating.

poisonedpawn78: He bet for his team and betting does not change results. Steroids do.

No but betting on the game puts the game under undue influence of gamblers. It can be argued that it's worse than the steroids. However... the fact that he never bet against his team is not a defense. He did not bet on his team every day. Those days he didn't bet- did he think they weren't going to win? That's inside information to the bookies. Or, if he had money riding on a game to win, is he going to leave Dibble in for too long and ruin his arm (that's hypothetical, btw, Dibble staunchly defends Rose.)

Betting on something that you have influence over its outcome cannot be divorced from influencing its outcome. If he never bet on the Reds, he would never have gotten the lifetime ban. But he had to be a moron about it.

jayhawk88: Hey Bud, does it physically pain you to speak the name Bart Giamatti? Because it should, the way you're destroying the game he was so fond of.

Last I checked, Bart Giamatti was the one who banned Rose. I sincerely doubt he would have ever reinstated him. Sadly, he died a week after the whole debacle was closed. I'll bet anything the stress of it all contributed to his early death.

vonteego3: I love people that just don't get it.

Thank you for stealing my thunder. You get a big THIS. Fark Pete Rose. If he ever gets in the HoF, I want it to be posthumous. He doesn't deserve the satisfaction.

drug addicts, steroid users, and a variety of other offenses seem to be fine with MLB. Pete bets on his own team and gets kicked out for life. Instead of gambling, he should have spent his time selling steroids.

Steroids riuned baseball, not Pete.