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(Some Freethinker)   Alabama Freethought Association puts up billboard that reads "Imagine No Religion". Christians welcome this as a sign of free expression and engage in meaningful debate. Just kidding. They get all butthurt   (tuscaloosanews.com) divider line 1606
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2009-07-13 09:15:20 PM  
The guy from Lamar said the billboard was offensive and refused to let his company put it up. I wonder how many "Jesus is Lord" or church billboards Lamar has put up?
 
2009-07-13 09:19:13 PM  
Great. Same shiat, different southern state. I wonder if Alabamians have to deal with the antiabortion and "blah blah blah - God" billboards like we do here in FL? I'd put good odds on it.

Besides, does it occur to anyone else that a God so weak that he can't deal with a bit of billboard-based criticism might not be a God worthy of worship?
 
2009-07-13 09:20:14 PM  
If folks in Alabama could "imagine" anything, they woulda left the state decades ago!
 
2009-07-13 09:23:26 PM  
dahmers love zombie: Great. Same shiat, different southern state. I wonder if Alabamians have to deal with the antiabortion and "blah blah blah - God" billboards like we do here in FL? I'd put good odds on it.

Besides, does it occur to anyone else that a God so weak that he can't deal with a bit of billboard-based criticism might not be a God worthy of worship?


Huntsville is pretty decent but once you leave the city you are in Jesus land or crackville. There wasn't much in between.

*I have only been to northern and central Alabama. It may get better but not from what I hear from the husband, an Alabama native.
 
2009-07-13 09:26:50 PM  
What they should have put on the billboard.

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2009-07-13 09:28:38 PM  
dahmers love zombie: Great. Same shiat, different southern state. I wonder if Alabamians have to deal with the antiabortion and "blah blah blah - God" billboards like we do here in FL? I'd put good odds on it.

Besides, does it occur to anyone else that a God so weak that he can't deal with a bit of billboard-based criticism might not be a God worthy of worship?


It is pretty much like that here too. I was actually surprised that Alabama has a Freethought Association. I did not think there were enough Freethinkers in this state to form an association.
 
2009-07-13 09:30:38 PM  
The atheists must also be up in arms, since everyone knows atheism is a religion, too.
 
2009-07-13 09:34:21 PM  
Alabama Freethought Association? That's like the Detroit Super Bowl Winners Association.
 
2009-07-13 09:34:58 PM  
Ain't no love like Christian love.
 
2009-07-13 09:35:02 PM  
oldebayer: The atheists must also be up in arms, since everyone knows atheism is a religion, too.

Ummmm....no it isn't.
 
2009-07-13 09:43:21 PM  
joe8122: The guy from Lamar said the billboard was offensive and refused to let his company put it up. I wonder how many "Jesus is Lord" or church billboards Lamar has put up?

Why is "Imagine No religion" offensive but a billboard saying evolution is false isn't?

\There's one on 283 northbound between Lancaster and Harrisburg
\\And, yes, it's a Lamar billboard
 
2009-07-13 09:44:02 PM  
The Icelander: \There's one on 283 northbound between Lancaster and Harrisburg
\\And, yes, it's a Lamar billboard


you're kidding me.
 
2009-07-13 09:46:19 PM  
Attention whores managed to get attention? This is an outrage! You were supposed to ignore that people!

/I can see the dumbasses are already here.
 
2009-07-13 09:50:26 PM  
dahmers love zombie: Great. Same shiat, different southern state. I wonder if Alabamians have to deal with the antiabortion and "blah blah blah - God" billboards like we do here in FL? I'd put good odds on it.

Besides, does it occur to anyone else that a God so weak that he can't deal with a bit of billboard-based criticism might not be a God worthy of worship?


I wish I had the money to put up my own "-God" billboards and just fill it with things like "Seriously, guys. STFU. You're embarrassing me. -God "
 
2009-07-13 09:52:04 PM  
The Icelander: joe8122: The guy from Lamar said the billboard was offensive and refused to let his company put it up. I wonder how many "Jesus is Lord" or church billboards Lamar has put up?

Why is "Imagine No religion" offensive but a billboard saying evolution is false isn't?

\There's one on 283 northbound between Lancaster and Harrisburg
\\And, yes, it's a Lamar billboard


I have no clue. Only thing I can think of is that Christians can get all upset when someone dares voice an opinion or set of beliefs different from their own.
 
2009-07-13 09:52:16 PM  
shivashakti: I wish I had the money to put up my own "-God" billboards and just fill it with things like "Seriously, guys. STFU. You're embarrassing me. -God "

how about a picture of God reading the bible with the thought bubble "Who wrote this garbage?"
 
2009-07-13 09:53:58 PM  
joe8122: The Icelander: joe8122: The guy from Lamar said the billboard was offensive and refused to let his company put it up. I wonder how many "Jesus is Lord" or church billboards Lamar has put up?

Why is "Imagine No religion" offensive but a billboard saying evolution is false isn't?

\There's one on 283 northbound between Lancaster and Harrisburg
\\And, yes, it's a Lamar billboard

I have no clue. Only thing I can think of is that Christians can get all upset when someone dares voice an opinion or set of beliefs different from their own.


So do a lot of other people. See the reaction here when someone criticizes Obama, or any thread Bevets is in.
 
2009-07-13 09:56:57 PM  
The people who feel "offended" by this are idiots, but I should give some benefit of the doubt to the state of Alabama (lolwut), here:

...with some saying the sign reading "Imagine No Religion" is offensive...

Freethought association member Pat Cleveland of Talladega said she's gotten about 50 irate calls...

The Talladega Daily Home reported that a petition drive has been started...


It doesn't read like a whole lot of people are exactly up in arms, here.
 
2009-07-13 09:57:14 PM  
muck4doo: So do a lot of other people. See the reaction here when someone criticizes Obama, or any thread Bevets is in.

Aww, someone's all butthurt. That's new.
 
2009-07-13 09:58:18 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: muck4doo: So do a lot of other people. See the reaction here when someone criticizes Obama, or any thread Bevets is in.

Aww, someone's all butthurt. That's new.


See what I mean.
 
2009-07-13 09:59:06 PM  
muck4doo: So do a lot of other people. See the reaction here when someone criticizes Obama, or any thread Bevets is in.

I know, right? Just the other day, I tried to get Fark shut down because of a submission that criticized Obama.
 
2009-07-13 10:03:05 PM  
Relatively Obscure: muck4doo: So do a lot of other people. See the reaction here when someone criticizes Obama, or any thread Bevets is in.

I know, right? Just the other day, I tried to get Fark shut down because of a submission that criticized Obama.


Your time would have been better off spent trying to remove crosses from the sides of freeways.
 
2009-07-13 10:06:10 PM  
muck4doo: Relatively Obscure: muck4doo: So do a lot of other people. See the reaction here when someone criticizes Obama, or any thread Bevets is in.

I know, right? Just the other day, I tried to get Fark shut down because of a submission that criticized Obama.

Your time would have been better off spent trying to remove crosses from the sides of freeways.


Your post offends me. I'm starting an petition to get you removed from the Internet.
 
2009-07-13 10:07:26 PM  
Gwendolyn: Huntsville is pretty decent but once you leave the city you are in Jesus land or crackville. There wasn't much in between.

*I have only been to northern and central Alabama. It may get better but not from what I hear from the husband, an Alabama native.


This is a very good representation of Huntsville. And from what I've seen of the rest of the state, yes the 'tolerant' Christians get really pissed if you so much as even think that Christianity might not be right. And to dahmers love zombie, yes those idiotic things are everywhere.
 
2009-07-13 10:07:32 PM  
muck4doo: cameroncrazy1984: muck4doo: So do a lot of other people. See the reaction here when someone criticizes Obama, or any thread Bevets is in.

Aww, someone's all butthurt. That's new.

See what I mean.


Yep. I sure do- but I gotta say, mucky, the cognitive dissonance you spew with apparently no mental repercussions whatsoever is clinically astounding. Truly. And I'm saying that as someone who is a helluva lot closer to your political and religious persuasions than most of FARK.
 
2009-07-13 10:08:23 PM  
Failing_Junk: What they should have put on the billboard.

I've never seen that before but I love it so much it made me have to change my underwear. Awesome. No 72 virgins = no 9/11.
 
2009-07-13 10:09:45 PM  
There's anti-atheist bigotry in Amish country, too. They're just more polite about it:

avatar.movetoiceland.com

SilentStrider: you're kidding me.

I know! I mean, who'd have thought there were rabid fundies in rural Pennsylvania!
 
2009-07-13 10:14:34 PM  
ragekage: Yep. I sure do- but I gotta say, mucky, the cognitive dissonance you spew with apparently no mental repercussions whatsoever is clinically astounding.

Not really. It's quite Republican.
 
2009-07-13 10:16:38 PM  
The Icelander: There's anti-atheist bigotry in Amish country, too. They're just more polite about it:

Meh. That sign is fine with me. I would expect religious people to be religious.
 
2009-07-13 10:21:13 PM  
Relatively Obscure: Meh. That sign is fine with me. I would expect religious people to be religious.

If the FFRF had put up a sign saying "Pity the poor Christian who has everyone to thank but instead thanks only god," they'd be getting death threats.
 
2009-07-13 10:22:32 PM  
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2009-07-13 10:24:49 PM  
The Icelander: If the FFRF had put up a sign saying "Pity the poor Christian who has everyone to thank but instead thanks only god," they'd be getting death threats.

That's probably true, in a lot of places. And it'd be stupid each and every time.
 
2009-07-13 10:25:37 PM  
ragekage: muck4doo: cameroncrazy1984: muck4doo: So do a lot of other people. See the reaction here when someone criticizes Obama, or any thread Bevets is in.

Aww, someone's all butthurt. That's new.

See what I mean.

Yep. I sure do- but I gotta say, mucky, the cognitive dissonance you spew with apparently no mental repercussions whatsoever is clinically astounding. Truly. And I'm saying that as someone who is a helluva lot closer to your political and religious persuasions than most of FARK.


It's just an observation. To sit there and try to paint this as something to be found among the Christians, but not among the so called "open minded" people putting out this stuff is dis-honest. People of all stripes get upset when their opinions and views are questioned.
 
2009-07-13 10:29:41 PM  
The Icelander: I know! I mean, who'd have thought there were rabid fundies in rural Pennsylvania!

thats it, i'm moving to a better area of the state...


umm, is there one?
 
2009-07-13 10:30:04 PM  
muck4doo: People of all stripes get upset when their opinions and views are questioned.

True 'dat.
 
2009-07-13 10:30:24 PM  
muck4doo: People of all stripes get upset when their opinions and views are questioned.

Yes, but I've yet to hear of someone in a Bevets thread making death threats.
 
2009-07-13 10:31:59 PM  
SilentStrider: thats it, i'm moving to a better area of the state...

umm, is there one?


At least Lancaster has an Apple Store.
 
2009-07-13 10:33:16 PM  
The Icelander: SilentStrider: thats it, i'm moving to a better area of the state...

umm, is there one?

At least Lancaster has an Apple Store.


there's a 'book of genesis' joke in there somewhere, I just know it.
 
2009-07-13 10:34:09 PM  
The Icelander: Yes, but I've yet to hear of someone in a Bevets thread making death threats.

I wouldn't necessarily count on that, though.
 
2009-07-13 10:39:00 PM  
shivashakti: I wish I had the money to put up my own "-God" billboards and just fill it with things like "Seriously, guys. STFU. You're embarrassing me. -God "

How much does it cost for a billboard anyway?
 
2009-07-13 10:43:23 PM  
Assume two options for a billboard viewer: (a) religious or (b) not religious.

On seeing a billboard that asks the viewer to imagine a world without religion, the viewer will imagine a world that is either (1) better or (2) worse than the world we currently have.

That gives us four possible combinations of two variables:

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(1) Someone who is religious and thinks that religion is a good thing will see this billboard and conclude that imaging a world without religion will lead people to believe that such a world would be worse than the one we already have. This religious person would greet this billboard with gratitude, because s/he believes that it will inspire others to be thankful for the existence of religion.

(2) Someone who is not religious, but thinks that religion is basically a good thing. This person will also greet this billboard with thanks, since s/he thinks it will inspire others to recognize that a world with religion is generally beneficial, even though s/he declines to participate in it.

(3) The viewer is not religious and thinks that religion is a bad thing. (The "stereotypical" atheist.) This person will greet the billboard with gratitude, since it might inspire others to imagine that a world without religion would be preferable to one with it.

And last, but not least,

(4) Someone who IS religious, and also believes that religion makes the world a worse place.

This fourth group is the only group that could be offended by this billboard.

If you actually think that religion makes the world better, then you will realize that imagining the world without it will be equivalent to imagining a world that is worse than the present one.

If you are offended by this billboard, you are tacitly arguing that, despite your faith, you are of the opinion that the only logical conclusion is that the world would be better off without religion.


Q.E.D.

Hope that helps.
 
2009-07-13 10:44:31 PM  
From TFA: I believe hands that help are better than hands that pray.

You know, I would really like to see THIS on a billboard. You could even cut the "I believe" part and just leave it at that.
 
2009-07-13 10:45:59 PM  
joe8122: I have no clue. Only thing I can think of is that Christians can get all upset when someone dares voice an opinion or set of beliefs different from their own.

I get pissed at both the militant Christians and Atheists.

"Life begins at conception". - Well, your basing that on literal interpretations of biblical scripture when a metaphorical interpretation generally makes more sence throughout much of the bible.

More importantly, how is a fertilized egg a "life" when it is incapable of living outside it's mothers womb. A baby can be successfully raised separate from and without it's mother. A fetus cannot, at least until sometime until the 3rd trimester. So you COULD make the argument against 3rd trimester abortions.

Moreover, would you support charging a mother who did any possible activity that might endanger their fetus with child abuse?

Militant Christians generally do not expect an actual debate on this subject and are quickly flustered and resort to name calling.

"Imagine the world with no religion" - OK, I see a world almost the same. People still fighting for bullsh*t reasons. People still hating each other for bullsh*t reasons. Basically, all the negative aspects of religion with none of the positives aspects like hope for a better tomorrow and charity for ones fellow man. Etc Etc.

Militant Atheists generally do not expect an actual debate on this subject and are quickly flustered and resort to name calling.

At least the Militant Christians have the bible and list their reasons, however misguided I find them. Militant Atheists just like to look at all the bad that religion brings and ignores the positives. Religion is like most medicines. Does allot of good when properly used. Does allot of damage when improperly used. That being said, some religions do do more damage than others. Some of the problem stems from the many factions that exist under the umbrella of one religion.

Both try to push me off the fence, they get all shocked and angered that I don't support either side. Guess what, both of you are two sides of the same coin. Both use ill thought out arguments to support their positions.

I wish the Militant Atheists would just STFU and actually do more to better the world instead of just biatching about religion and doing little else. The Militant Christians do more to better those people who are already born and in need instead of blowing the money on billboards.

Thankfully most Atheists and Christians go about their lives living their lives as they see fit and not trying to force their beliefs onto others.

/rant over
//going to catch flack from both sides.
 
2009-07-13 10:46:29 PM  
muck4doo: It's just an observation. To sit there and try to paint this as something to be found among the Christians, but not among the so called "open minded" people putting out this stuff is dis-honest. People of all stripes get upset when their opinions and views are questioned.

See, that's absolutely true; but don't sink to their level, man.
 
2009-07-13 10:58:50 PM  
Crosshair: The Militant Christians do more to better those people who are already born and in need instead of blowing the money on billboards.

Like shooting abortion doctors and mobilizing to keep the gays from getting married? I mean, we're talking about the MILITANTS here. Saying both sides are bad is all well and good, but some evils do more evil than others.

That said, I generally agree with your point though. I'd say that people who could be classified as 'militant' are too busy biatching and wharrgarbling to do a whole hell of a lot more. I blame the echo chamber effect of large groups of like-minded individuals.

As a non-militant atheist, as much as I'd like to hope that the world would somehow improve if we began casting off religion, I think you've pretty much got it right. We'd all just find some other reason to hate each other.
 
2009-07-13 10:59:02 PM  
Crosshair:

I have to ask, what counts as a "militant" atheist?

What are the characteristics that distinguish a militant atheist from the non-militant ones?

I know how to tell a militant religious person from the rest of the good, decent, "normal" religious folks- the militant religious people blow things up and shoot people as a way to advance their religious beliefs.

I'm just curious about how I will be able to recognize a militant atheist. Thanks, in advance, for your answer.
 
2009-07-13 11:01:46 PM  
FloydA: I have to ask, what counts as a "militant" atheist?

Oh yeah, prepare to wait on this.
 
2009-07-13 11:03:19 PM  
savage henry: FloydA: I have to ask, what counts as a "militant" atheist?

Oh yeah, prepare to wait on this.


I'm an archaeologist. "A long time" means something different to me. ;-)
 
2009-07-13 11:07:21 PM  
ragekage: muck4doo: It's just an observation. To sit there and try to paint this as something to be found among the Christians, but not among the so called "open minded" people putting out this stuff is dis-honest. People of all stripes get upset when their opinions and views are questioned.

See, that's absolutely true; but don't sink to their level, man.


Your advice has been grokked.
 
2009-07-13 11:14:21 PM  
Token effort...

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