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2009-07-13 12:13:47 AM  
notoverit: Oh noes! How will I ever know if I need this scuba gear today? I better carry it around just in case.

Ah, completely uninterested in logic. Got it...
 
2009-07-13 12:13:51 AM  
notoverit: So you carry around some extra weight and a holster just in case you ever do need it, and because you can.

My car's got seat belts, even though I don't plan on crashing it anytime soon.
 
2009-07-13 12:14:31 AM  
Noticeably F.A.T.:
I'm hoping that the likelihood ends up being zero. I'm just trying to understand why carrying a defensive weapon is the only precaution I can take and be ridiculed. If I had said I carried anything else the reaction would have been "Ok, that's a little unusual, but kudos for being prepared". But a gun? "What kind of paranoid idiot are you! Move out of the ghetto, moran!"

Nope, I'd be laughing at you if you carried a sword or nunchucks around with you too.

Of course, maybe with nunchucks you could still use a urinal.
 
2009-07-13 12:15:39 AM  
Kar98: notoverit: So you carry around some extra weight and a holster just in case you ever do need it, and because you can.

My car's got seat belts, even though I don't plan on crashing it anytime soon.


What's more likely you think: getting in a car accident, or needing to pull your pistol?
 
2009-07-13 12:17:29 AM  
Noticeably F.A.T.: notoverit: Ha! You give up the use of urinals for the infinitesimal chance that you'll be in some sort of firefight some day?

Yeah, it's a real hardship I tell ya. I can't tell you how long I muddled over that one in my head. "Potentially save my ass, pee next to another dude. Potentially save my ass, pee next to another dude. Wow, this is tough question."


Considering that you pee in public restrooms quite often, while the chance that you'll be potentially saving your ass with your handgun is probably next to nil, I'd say it's an easy question. You just answered it wrong.
 
2009-07-13 12:18:39 AM  
notoverit: Of course, maybe with nunchucks you could still use a urinal.

Hmmm, you may have something there.

What's more likely you think: getting in a car accident, or needing to pull your pistol?

If there was something you could do to make your life a little safer, that didn't hurt anyone else, and didn't cause you any hindrance in your daily life, would you do it?
 
2009-07-13 12:19:14 AM  
notoverit: Kar98: notoverit: So you carry around some extra weight and a holster just in case you ever do need it, and because you can.

My car's got seat belts, even though I don't plan on crashing it anytime soon.

What's more likely you think: getting in a car accident, or needing to pull your pistol?


Just about equal, Mr. Wannabe-Rapist.
 
2009-07-13 12:20:25 AM  
notoverit: Considering that you pee in public restrooms quite often

What? Since when?

while the chance that you'll be potentially saving your ass with your handgun is probably next to nil, I'd say it's an easy question. You just answered it wrong.

I only answered it wrong if not using a urinal makes my life more difficult, when in fact it doesn't. Even when I'm not carrying I rarely use a urinal. I prefer a stall either way.
 
2009-07-13 12:25:08 AM  
The_Sponge: Yes Sound: Beretta model 92 has plenty of problems,


*Citation needed*


I would like to call my company armorer to the stand. He is not in the audiance, ok well I have cited some of the problems with its design (mechanical failure of the slide and locking block). Another one of its fundemental flaws is the the fact that 9mm ball is not an outstanding round. The thumb safety is flimsy and prone to breaking off, and the rear sights are not adjustable. I don't hate it, in fact its a good weapon, but there are plenty of problems with it.
 
2009-07-13 12:25:25 AM  
Noticeably F.A.T.: notoverit: Considering that you pee in public restrooms quite often

What? Since when?


My mistake. I assumed you went out in public on a regular basis.

I only answered it wrong if not using a urinal makes my life more difficult, when in fact it doesn't. Even when I'm not carrying I rarely use a urinal. I prefer a stall either way.

You mean you risk your life by not carrying sometimes? What if something happens? It must be scary.
 
2009-07-13 12:25:38 AM  
voodoowizard: Take note do not buy a Hi-Point gun. They are cheap for a reason.
We run a gun store in rockford, il. Out of over 275 hi-points sold, ive only had to send one back. Some dipshiat put it together wrong. Hi-point sent their gun back and gave them an extra mag for their trouble.
 
2009-07-13 12:29:27 AM  
Yes Sound: I would like to call my company armorer to the stand. He is not in the audiance, ok well I have cited some of the problems with its design (mechanical failure of the slide and locking block). Another one of its fundemental flaws is the the fact that 9mm ball is not an outstanding round. The thumb safety is flimsy and prone to breaking off, and the rear sights are not adjustable. I don't hate it, in fact its a good weapon, but there are plenty of problems with it.

The Army wouldn't have chosen it if it weren't the best pistol out there.

/Try the veal...
 
2009-07-13 12:30:39 AM  
notoverit: My mistake. I assumed you went out in public on a regular basis.

I do, I just don't need to piss all over the city.

You mean you risk your life by not carrying sometimes? What if something happens? It must be scary.

On occasion, yes. It's pretty rare though, and not scary at all. See, you seem to be making this assumption about me that I'm some sort of paranoid lunatic who sees the boogieman around every corner, and that's simply not the case. I carry when I feel like I want to carry. Do I expect to be attacked? Nope. But it makes me feel better to know that I've taken steps to protect myself. On of those steps is being armed.
 
2009-07-13 12:41:14 AM  
Thanks for the reminder, people...

Time for shotgun maintenance again!
 
2009-07-13 12:43:18 AM  
Noticeably F.A.T.: See, you seem to be making this assumption about me that I'm some sort of paranoid lunatic who sees the boogieman around every corner, and that's simply not the case.

And yet you inconvenience yourself daily just in case the boogieman does pop up, which means every day you're thinking about the potential boogieman as you strap on your holster (or clip it on or whatever the fark you do). Whereas most people don't think about the boogiemen every day and don't have to inconvenience themselves by getting permits, paying money for deadly weapons, and carting around one more thing on their belts. Some of us even get to use urinals.
 
2009-07-13 12:48:15 AM  
www.comp-tac.com

Here's my carry pistol and holster

Smith & Wesson M&P 40 in a Comp-tac M-tac
 
2009-07-13 12:50:23 AM  
notoverit: And yet you inconvenience yourself daily

How? You are assuming carrying a sidearm is an inconvenience. It's not.

inconvenience themselves by getting permits

Who did that?

paying money for deadly weapons

Moot point, I would buy guns if I carried them or not. Guns are fun.

and carting around one more thing on their belts.

Non-issue.

Some of us even get to use urinals.

Whoopty-farking-doo. Pissing next to another dude is not high on my list of priorities.
 
2009-07-13 12:52:30 AM  
ippolit: nacho_nacho_man: Zero excuse for this. Somebody was packing a piece of crap gun.

Next time, pack a Glock SIG XD-M. Jeez.

FTFY
 
2009-07-13 12:54:13 AM  
TJNII: Question for the pro gun nuts:

Why would you concealed carry with a chambered round in the first place? I can understand the argument for it being loaded, but having a round chambered just seems stupid. Now, I don't the specifics of semi-auto handguns, I never had the money to get into them. However, I was under the impression that chambering a round could easily be done in one motion when rasing the gun. Is this not true?


It is both true and not true. Please allow me to make a comparison:

When you find yourself in a situation where you absolutely have to stop your car, do you think it would be wise to have to arm your brakes before you try to stop? The same goes for a handgun. If you find yourself in the position where you must pull out a handgun, you're past the point of no return. A weapon never comes out unless you have no other choice. Does it make sense that, being in that position, you should have to take that extra second or so to chamber a round and inform the person who is about to kill you that you have a weapon? Just something to think about.

As it is, modern weapons are essentially foolproof barring a gross mechanical malfunction. When you see stories like this where the weapon "goes off when it hits the floor" you should immediately associate that with "operator error". A handgun simply does not fire on its own, it requires a separate action on the part of the operator.

With that in mind, I always carry with one in the chamber. My guns have never "just gone off". They are perfectly safe until they are drawn and aimed (which I have thankfully never had to do).

notoverit: I'm trying to understand why you think carrying a deadly weapon is a precaution that is "necessary and feasible". Just how likely do you think it is that you are going to be in a situation where you need a gun?

No more likely than the possibility of me being severely injured in a car accident, yet I still have health insurance. No more likely than the chance of me dying tomorrow while mowing the lawn, yet I still have life insurance.

I hope I never need either, but I acknowledge that I may need them at some point in my life and I allot monies accordingly. A gun is no different.

Incidentally, since I'm already typing a TLDR post, the reason I have so many guns (as if 6 is a lot) is that they are all different, they all do different things, and they all provide a different experience when I go to the range. It's essentially the same as having multiple cars, each with a different purpose, to enhance my experience while driving. There are people with 15 different consoles, don't they all just play video games? Why so many? When you answer that honestly you'll understand.
 
2009-07-13 12:55:37 AM  
Lee Bruns: Mayor Bee 2009-07-12 09:01:56 PM
Well it should have been a better shot,
He got him in the head.

What kind of Butthole says that?


thae surfing kind
 
2009-07-13 12:58:17 AM  
gunsculptor: ippolit: nacho_nacho_man: Zero excuse for this. Somebody was packing a piece of crap gun.

Next time, pack a Glock SIG XD-M. Jeez.

FTFY


FIFY

/Manual safeties. Pffft.
 
2009-07-13 01:04:08 AM  
Noticeably F.A.T.: notoverit: Or he has a tiny penis.

Why do anti-gun folks always seem to equate guns with penises? Seems a little neurotic.


Freud would agree. Maybe they do it to hide the fact that Freud actually said a fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. Now, would you want to own up to that?
 
2009-07-13 01:04:50 AM  
Yes Sound: I would like to call my company armorer to the stand. He is not in the audiance, ok well I have cited some of the problems with its design (mechanical failure of the slide and locking block). Another one of its fundemental flaws is the the fact that 9mm ball is not an outstanding round. The thumb safety is flimsy and prone to breaking off, and the rear sights are not adjustable. I don't hate it, in fact its a good weapon, but there are plenty of problems with it.


Fair enough....I respect your view/opinion.

/Put 1,000+ rounds through my Beretta.
//Yet to have a problem.
 
2009-07-13 01:09:02 AM  
treesloth: The Army wouldn't have chosen it if it weren't the best pistol out there.

/Try the veal...



Speaking objectively as a proud Beretta owner, and IIRC......

It's a great handgun, but a main reason why the military selected it as a sidearm was because the U.S. wanted to place nuclear missiles in Italy, and the Italian government was willing to say yes if we selected the Beretta as the official sidearm of the United States Military.
 
2009-07-13 01:09:26 AM  
gunsculptor: Freud would agree. Maybe they do it to hide the fact that Freud actually said a fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. Now, would you want to own up to that?

Was it actually Freud that said that? I've looked and most places say yes, but more than a couple say that it was somebody else and it's getting miss-attributed to Freud.
 
2009-07-13 04:05:32 AM  
My boss did something similar with a pair of scissors. He was trying to cut something just above head height, dropped the scissors he was using and made a lunge to catch them.

Put one of the blades straight through the palm of his hand and out the other side.

Moral of the story - if you drop something dangerous, don't try to grab it as it falls!
 
2009-07-13 10:31:56 AM  
Just have to say, as a gun owner, GOD ARE GLOCKS UGLY.

its like you gave a 4 year old a block of clay, and said "make a gun"

sorry just me :) 1911s for the win
 
2009-07-13 11:00:06 AM  
LarryDan43: She was just trying to keep that bathroom safe.

Laugh all you want smart guy, but if you had read the entire article you might have noticed the woman did NOT get raped in the. The load was discharge on her leg, not her butt.
 
2009-07-13 02:22:37 PM  
What I carry

www.berwynheightspd.com
 
2009-07-13 05:05:28 PM  
geniusiknowit: Anti-BoyBand: Springfield Armory Ultra-Compact .45

/as long as we're comparing "guns"

The only "ultra-compact" XDs you'll find are memory cards.

There isn't even a compact .45 XD.


Springfield makes 1911s and has been making them for 35 years.
One such model: Springfield Armory Ultra-Compact .45
 
2009-07-13 06:13:38 PM  
"geniusiknowit: Anti-BoyBand: Springfield Armory Ultra-Compact .45

/as long as we're comparing "guns"

The only "ultra-compact" XDs you'll find are memory cards.

There isn't even a compact .45 XD."

springfield seems to disagree. The compact xd is .45 cal, maybe you are thinking subcompact?
 
2009-07-13 06:16:11 PM  
adamscr: Just have to say, as a gun owner, GOD ARE GLOCKS UGLY.

its like you gave a 4 year old a block of clay, and said "make a gun"

sorry just me :) 1911s for the win


Seconded. They're adequate performers, but ugly. That wouldn't be enough to stop me from owning one, but the fact that they feel like I'm aiming a brick at a target does stop me. Agreed, 1911 FTW. The XD SC and XD-M pistols are darn close, though, and with a little tweaking might be even better. I find it interesting that it has taken almost 100 years to make pistols with the ergonomics of the 1911 and Hi-Power.
 
2009-07-13 08:48:25 PM  
gunsculptor: "geniusiknowit: Anti-BoyBand: Springfield Armory Ultra-Compact .45

/as long as we're comparing "guns"

The only "ultra-compact" XDs you'll find are memory cards.

There isn't even a compact .45 XD."

springfield seems to disagree. The compact xd is .45 cal, maybe you are thinking subcompact?


Yes, that's what I meant.

I have the compact 4" .45 in my holster right now.

/doy
 
2009-07-13 08:50:50 PM  
notoverit: Noticeably F.A.T.: See, you seem to be making this assumption about me that I'm some sort of paranoid lunatic who sees the boogieman around every corner, and that's simply not the case.

And yet you inconvenience yourself daily just in case the boogieman does pop up, which means every day you're thinking about the potential boogieman as you strap on your holster (or clip it on or whatever the fark you do). Whereas most people don't think about the boogiemen every day and don't have to inconvenience themselves by getting permits, paying money for deadly weapons, and carting around one more thing on their belts. Some of us even get to use urinals.


And yet you wear those uncomfortable seatbelts, and go through the hassle of dead-bolting your doors, even when you are home. Do you really think you're going to get into a car accident or be the victim of a home invasion?
 
2009-07-13 09:00:28 PM  
treesloth: Seconded. They're adequate performers, but ugly. That wouldn't be enough to stop me from owning one, but the fact that they feel like I'm aiming a brick at a target does stop me. Agreed, 1911 FTW. The XD SC and XD-M pistols are darn close, though, and with a little tweaking might be even better. I find it interesting that it has taken almost 100 years to make pistols with the ergonomics of the 1911 and Hi-Power.

I've shot tens of thousands of rounds through various semi-autos, and the only ones I've owned that will consistently fire without a single hiccup are my Glock 20 and 29.

The best test was three days of training with six other shooters, during which we each fired over 1200 rounds. Four of us had Glocks. None of them were cleaned or oiled during those three days, at the request of the instructor (he was a Glock fanboy with something to prove).
None of the Glocks experienced a single jam, misfeed, or malfunction in those (total) five thousand rounds. I agree with you, sir, that that was "adequate" performance.

I agree with everything you say about the Glock, but I carry one because I know I can empty the mag -- and the spare mag(s) -- without interruption. I can live with ugly, and brick-like, if I live.
 
2009-07-13 09:06:12 PM  
geniusiknowit: And yet you wear those uncomfortable seatbelts

Right after I got my permit, my wife saw me putting my gun on as we left to pick up a pizza. She asked, "Are you planning to get into a firefight on the way to the pizzeria?"

For once, I thought fast. "No, dear, and I'm not planning to have a car accident either. So, I'll leave my gun at home, and you don't need to wear your seat belt."

She wore her seat belt. I wore my gun. Married men don't win many arguments, but that was full of win.
 
2009-07-13 09:40:20 PM  
The_Sponge: Yes Sound: I would like to call my company armorer to the stand. He is not in the audiance, ok well I have cited some of the problems with its design (mechanical failure of the slide and locking block). Another one of its fundemental flaws is the the fact that 9mm ball is not an outstanding round. The thumb safety is flimsy and prone to breaking off, and the rear sights are not adjustable. I don't hate it, in fact its a good weapon, but there are plenty of problems with it.


Fair enough....I respect your view/opinion.

/Put 1,000+ rounds through my Beretta.
//Yet to have a problem.


Same here. Been carrying a 92F for many years and never had a problem. Several thousand rounds through it. I'm looking to exchange it for a Glock 35 though.
 
2009-07-13 09:42:09 PM  
adamscr: Just have to say, as a gun owner, GOD ARE GLOCKS UGLY.

Depends on which end is facing you.
 
2009-07-13 10:09:16 PM  
My pr0n name is Tom Seaview: The best test was three days of training with six other shooters, during which we each fired over 1200 rounds. Four of us had Glocks. None of them were cleaned or oiled during those three days, at the request of the instructor (he was a Glock fanboy with something to prove).
None of the Glocks experienced a single jam, misfeed, or malfunction in those (total) five thousand rounds. I agree with you, sir, that that was "adequate" performance.


On the other hand, the state police armorer here has had to send back entire batches for high failure rates. If you all got some good ones, great. Their quality control seems spotty at best. If you really want reliability, get an SA Professional. The FBI requires these standards for the pistol:

-- 50,000-round warranty
-- Three consecutive 10-shot groups no larger than 1.5 inches at 25 yards with Remington Golden Saber ammunition
-- 20,000 rounds fired with no more than a 15% accuracy reduction
-- A single stoppage over 2,500 rounds disqualifies a pistol

Those are the requirements that they must meet to keep the contract. Set that against Glock's spotty record and there's really no contest. That's to be expected, of course, since this is a $2,500 gun. I mention it simply because that sort of proven reliability can cost a bit, but they have thousands of documented trials by people trying to prove them wrong to back it up. An HK Mark 23 also goes through some pretty crazy testing. I just wish they'd use a standard rail instead of the proprietary "buy two of everything..." HK rail.
 
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