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(UPI)   Swim club president clarifies racial misunderstanding. The issue is safety, not race; "Many of them couldn't swim." *facepalm*   (upi.com) divider line 295
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2009-07-10 10:53:35 PM  
captain_heroic44: //is it a stereotype if it's true?

White men can't jump.

Never met a black guy who thought of that as anything but a joke. Have met white guys who think it speaks to some truth. Chew on that one for a while.

onebadgungan: Don't spend much time in the Obama threads, eh?

One or two Jackson threads were worse than this, and even those aren't the worst of what you can see on Fark.
 
2009-07-10 10:58:45 PM  
captain_heroic44: There's a lot of pretty open racism here.

There's a lot of open sexism, homophobia etc etc that rears its head on Fark. The only difference is, not very many blacks on Fark to stand up to it directly.
 
2009-07-10 11:01:23 PM  
WhyteRaven74: captain_heroic44: //is it a stereotype if it's true?

White men can't jump.

Never met a black guy who thought of that as anything but a joke. Have met white guys who think it speaks to some truth. Chew on that one for a while.


Well, there's a difference. The reason blacks can't swim doesn't have anything to do with their actual ability to swim. It has to do with the fact that most of them just aren't trained to swim in childhood. Having worked as a lifeguard, I can attest that there really is truth to the fact that ethnic minorities, especially blacks, are especially at risk for drowning, because they are the least skilled swimmers. That is a reality, and one best not ignored by water safety professionals.

The presumption, at least, of the "white men can't jump" stereotype is that whites actually lack the genetic athletic ability to jump as well as blacks. I have no idea if that's true or not, but given what I know, it seems unlikely. People of different backgrounds play different sports, and develop different athletic prowesses. In WW2, Americans were known for their ability to throw hand grenades farther than their European allies. Why? Because they had developed the ability to throw through baseball.

I don't think there's any real truth to genetic variability in races, other than the surface appearances. But I do think there's a lot of truth to what people learn through cultural background. And I tell ya, swimming ain't one of the things African Americans learn as part of their cultural background. Given, there are exceptions, and no doubt, there are skilled black swimmers out there. But for the most part, that's just not the case.
 
2009-07-10 11:02:01 PM  
Your Favorite Token Black Chick: I'm black and I can't swim, so I'm getting a kick outta these replies.

/i wish i could swim
//deathly afraid of drowning
///i go no further than five feet


That profile pic in the your bikini is ironic then.

/And hawt
//How you doin'?
 
2009-07-10 11:03:26 PM  
WhyteRaven74: captain_heroic44: There's a lot of pretty open racism here.

There's a lot of open sexism, homophobia etc etc that rears its head on Fark. The only difference is, not very many blacks on Fark to stand up to it directly.


While there is some truth to what you say, I've noticed that the majority of the *ism comes from some very specific farkers, and the rest of them are meant as commentary on the racism of the article or the aforementioned chowderheads.
 
2009-07-10 11:05:20 PM  
captain_heroic44:
I've often wondered what it must be like for blacks who read Fark. There's a lot of pretty open racism here. I'm surprised you put up with it.


It's like being on a bus with a broken air conditioner next to a 400 pound woman who neglected to shower for three days, is on her period, and decided to try and cover it all up with perfume she bought at the dollar store. In August. In the south. At 1 pm, during the worst heat wave in 100 years. The windows on the bus don't open, and both you and she get off at the last stop.

You learn to deal with it to get where you need to go. Doesn't mean you like it.
 
2009-07-10 11:07:05 PM  
rewind2846: captain_heroic44:
I've often wondered what it must be like for blacks who read Fark. There's a lot of pretty open racism here. I'm surprised you put up with it.

It's like being on a bus with a broken air conditioner next to a 400 pound woman who neglected to shower for three days, is on her period, and decided to try and cover it all up with perfume she bought at the dollar store. In August. In the south. At 1 pm, during the worst heat wave in 100 years. The windows on the bus don't open, and both you and she get off at the last stop.

You learn to deal with it to get where you need to go. Doesn't mean you like it.


Dude. Leave my mom alone.
 
2009-07-10 11:07:56 PM  
rewind2846: captain_heroic44:
I've often wondered what it must be like for blacks who read Fark. There's a lot of pretty open racism here. I'm surprised you put up with it.

It's like being on a bus with a broken air conditioner next to a 400 pound woman who neglected to shower for three days, is on her period, and decided to try and cover it all up with perfume she bought at the dollar store. In August. In the south. At 1 pm, during the worst heat wave in 100 years. The windows on the bus don't open, and both you and she get off at the last stop.

You learn to deal with it to get where you need to go. Doesn't mean you like it.


Fair enough.
 
2009-07-10 11:18:18 PM  
WaltzingMathilda: you've never heard the blacks can't swim stereotype?

I had not heard of it until I got to boot camp and we had to qualify as swimmers. There are plenty of white guys that barely passed the first test, but there was only One black guy. (he ended up being one of the 6 best swimmers out of our company of 300)
 
2009-07-10 11:24:34 PM  
WhyteRaven74: Racism ...not very many blacks on Fark to stand up to it directly.

Not very many blacks on Fark gullible enough to bother standing up to it directly.

/FTFY
 
2009-07-10 11:32:11 PM  
Jormungandr: Shadow Blasko: sonder: Show me an inner city black kid that can swim.

G'head.
www.bet.com
Jesus christ that guy is hardcore! He's swimming in the farking air!


He's not swimming through air! He's falling with style!
 
2009-07-10 11:53:41 PM  
We went tubing down the river a couple weeks back. On the first log jam someone gets hung up, has to ditch the tube, and climbs up on the log. Then she tells us she can't swim.

/facepalm
 
2009-07-10 11:59:57 PM  
Your Favorite Token Black Chick: I'm black and I can't swim, so I'm getting a kick outta these replies.

/i wish i could swim
//deathly afraid of drowning
///i go no further than five feet


And yet you are in a bathing suit in your profile pic.
 
2009-07-11 12:12:30 AM  
cynep: Say what you will but stereotypes DO PLAY OUT

True! I'm Irish American...I have reddish hair, freckles, no liver, love Jameson and drink like a fish, pretty lazy, love potatoes, half of my family are or were firefighters, I'm short and get told often that I'm not welcome in certain establishments...

/no white guilt, my ancestors were indentured servants in VA.
//Escaped, fought with Irish Brigade in Gettysburg
///became firefighters in Ohio
 
2009-07-11 12:14:09 AM  
Howard Stern went on one day about when he was young how black kids in his neighborhood pool would always poop in the water.

At Disney on summer the pool at our resort was almost closed daily due to the water having a floater in it.

Many blacks kids were playing in the pool those days. Very few could swim.

www.dailyhaha.com
 
2009-07-11 12:15:30 AM  
Diogenes: Maybe he should have opened with a joke.

Q: What did the kid from Creative Steps Day Camp get for his birthday?

A: My bike.




and now you can play the exciting video game!
 
2009-07-11 12:33:36 AM  
vartian: He then added "Also, we were worried about the buoyancy of watermelons. And that the black would wash off and stain the pool."

Someone needs to tell this guy to shut the fark up.


He didn't say that. I think you're being disingenuous.

I read the article for you. The reason the camp was blocked from entering the pool site was that not enough lifeguards were on duty and with a high number of children present who may have been unable to swim, he decided to err on the side of caution.

See, that wasn't so hard, was it?
 
2009-07-11 12:34:38 AM  
True story: A few years back my sons and I were in Panama City Beach. We were staying at a motel on the beach. We were walking by the pool on the way to our car. The pool had about 20-30 white people in it. A young black kid about 9 years old came out and jumped in the pool. Every, and I mean every, white person got out of the pool. All 20-30 of them.
Being from the West my sons and I were a bit shocked at the blatant racism. Later we heard this area is referred to as the Redneck Riviera.
 
2009-07-11 12:37:22 AM  
Kozaru: Your Favorite Token Black Chick: I'm black and I can't swim, so I'm getting a kick outta these replies.

/i wish i could swim
//deathly afraid of drowning
///i go no further than five feet

And yet you are in a bathing suit in your profile pic.


Leave her alone! She was probably just working on her tan or something.
 
2009-07-11 12:44:26 AM  
Actually, out of the dozen or so black friends/cohorts I've known, only 1 could swim. It strangely seems to be more than just a stereotype.

/always found it to be strange
 
2009-07-11 01:01:48 AM  
rewind2846: captain_heroic44:
I've often wondered what it must be like for blacks who read Fark. There's a lot of pretty open racism here. I'm surprised you put up with it.

It's like being on a bus with a broken air conditioner next to a 400 pound woman who neglected to shower for three days, is on her period, and decided to try and cover it all up with perfume she bought at the dollar store. In August. In the south. At 1 pm, during the worst heat wave in 100 years. The windows on the bus don't open, and both you and she get off at the last stop.


To that I say this:

www.synthcom.com
 
2009-07-11 01:08:36 AM  
Jeez. It's not racist to point out that blacks ON AVERAGE, are configured by evolution during thousands of years of living in hot, tropical Africa, to have low body fat and denser muscle tissue, in order to shed heat easier, (and makes them less buoyant), and lots of pigmentation to resist sun induced skin cancer. Yes, it's unfair stereotyping to assume ALL individual blacks are like that, but as a group, they ARE.

There's a reason there are no natural native white populations in Africa. The environment kills them off.
 
2009-07-11 01:26:05 AM  
WaltzingMathilda: SushiJoe: it's a pool, not an ice skating rink. The owner should get his stereotypes right.

you've never heard the blacks can't swim stereotype?


I don't know about GTA4, but I always thought it weird that the only GTA games where you can swim are the ones with black lead characters.
 
2009-07-11 01:29:43 AM  
elismom: Because I'm sure all the movie stars in Hollywood are clamoring to get and invitation to your house.

Man you are such an assh..no no a douc.... GOD DAMN IT calling you "douchebag" doesn't even define how much you suck.
 
2009-07-11 01:31:27 AM  
Radio Boy: I worked in a water park in NJ.

Every 4th of July we would get people from Brooklyn, Bayonne, Edison, Elizabeth, etc, who had never been in a pool in their lives.

This didn't stop them from going on the big slide that dropped you in a 10 foot deep pool.

If you worked that pool, you just stayed in the water all day.


ACTION PARK?????
 
2009-07-11 01:33:39 AM  
Kozaru: And yet you are in a bathing suit in your profile pic.

Her profile clicks just went through the roof...

/yeah I checked...so what?
//nice.
 
2009-07-11 01:36:05 AM  
mark12A: Jeez. It's not racist to point out that blacks ON AVERAGE, are configured by evolution during thousands of years of living in hot, tropical Africa, to have low body fat and denser muscle tissue, in order to shed heat easier, (and makes them less buoyant), and lots of pigmentation to resist sun induced skin cancer. Yes, it's unfair stereotyping to assume ALL individual blacks are like that, but as a group, they ARE.

There's a reason there are no natural native white populations in Africa. The environment kills them off.


Heh, believing in evolution is racist. Where's your high horse now, libs?
 
2009-07-11 01:39:08 AM  
Nick Nostril: Because everyone knows black people cannot swim, right?

If they could, slavers would have had a harder time.
 
2009-07-11 02:05:03 AM  
Your Favorite Token Black Chick: I'm black and I can't swim, so I'm getting a kick outta these replies.

/i wish i could swim
//deathly afraid of drowning
///i go no further than five feet


Seriously, you owe it to yourself to learn (it's never too late). One of life's simplest and greatest pleasures. The fact that it might somehow save your life some day (or someone else's, if you find you are really good at it) is just a bonus. Think of it as taking a practical measure against the thing you fear. ;)

Plus, you look amazing in a bikini, and we could all use more of that on our beaches and at our pools.

/went there
//(looks up thread)...just piling on
 
2009-07-11 02:51:29 AM  
Jormungandr: Shadow Blasko: sonder: Show me an inner city black kid that can swim.

G'head.

Jesus christ that guy is hardcore! He's swimming in the farking air!


I never knew that was the reason it's called the 'butterfly'
 
2009-07-11 03:40:54 AM  
onebadgungan: I've noticed that the majority of the *ism comes from some very specific farkers,

yes, yes they do. There are threads that as I scroll through comments, there are certain names that if I see I just roll my eyes and go "Do I even want to know?"

Alleyoop: Not very many blacks on Fark gullible enough to bother standing up to it directly.

Well, there's that view, also the view that if you don't stand up for something when it does effect you, why should anyone else stand up for you? Obviously, if it's a blatant troll that's one thing, but if the person means it, then it can come into play. Then again, this is an internet message board, not exactly real life.

/yes yes, it's still real to you ;)

captain_heroic44: Well, there's a difference.

I agree. I was just being a wise ass, not exactly trying to say the two comments are of the same standing, just throwing it out there :)
 
2009-07-11 04:27:42 AM  
Your Favorite Token Black Chick: I'm black and I can't swim, so I'm getting a kick outta these replies.

/i wish i could swim
//deathly afraid of drowning
///i go no further than five feet



teh hotness + teh boobies = (swimming != matter)
 
2009-07-11 06:55:37 AM  
Doucheler.
 
2009-07-11 07:44:26 AM  
These are kids.a civil suit should be made against the club. How long will this ignorance go on.I'm sure minorities helped build and maintain the club. Farkers b honest this is less important than Iran.
 
2009-07-11 08:25:00 AM  
MrSteve007: Actually, out of the dozen or so black friends/cohorts I've known, only 1 could swim. It strangely seems to be more than just a stereotype.

/always found it to be strange


There were two black kids in my neighborhood growing up, and since we had a pool we invited everyone to our house for parties, they jumped in the pool and swam like everybody else, just to even the odds up a bit. (Actually Marcus only swam the dog paddle, but he'd do it in the deep end)

But ASIANS? Man those yellow freaks cannot drive for shiat, man they be all over the road at like 25 mph.
 
2009-07-11 08:46:49 AM  
neilbradley, I got a time-out for posting somebody puking a week ago.

*right-click* *save*
 
2009-07-11 09:21:07 AM  
Non-story. CNN was reporting that the same swim club also canceled contracts with two other groups, neither of which had minority members. Admittedly, the swim club president could have handled the PR aspect a little better.
 
2009-07-11 09:49:17 AM  
vertiaset: I am a Republican and a pacifist

syntax error
 
2009-07-11 10:30:03 AM  
I'm glad this article and thread have tried to leave out that two other predominantly white groups (claimed on CNN to have no minorities in them) of kids were also asked not to come back.
 
2009-07-11 10:41:49 AM  
vartian: He then added "Also, we were worried about the buoyancy of watermelons. And that the black would wash off and stain the pool."

Someone needs to tell this guy to shut the fark up.


Cocoa Krispies Commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGdNKDC88B4 (pops)

// They even make the milk taste like chocolate!
 
2009-07-11 11:56:27 AM  
farfigneugan: vertiaset: I am a Republican and a pacifist

syntax error


Hey, the Republicans tried to stay out of WWII
 
2009-07-11 12:02:57 PM  
At least I was able to tell from the headline that he wasn't talking about mexicans.
 
2009-07-11 06:15:51 PM  
the sad part is, the stereotype has some truth.

during boot camp, you should see all the "swim waivers" off to the side during combat swim crawl. there's 2 redneck white guys and about a dozen black dudes.
 
2009-07-11 08:32:00 PM  
fakesanta: the sad part is, the stereotype has some truth.

during boot camp, you should see all the "swim waivers" off to the side during combat swim crawl. there's 2 redneck white guys and about a dozen black dudes.


I just wanted to say that, THIS is, sadly, true. I'd never heard that "brother's don't swim" until boot camp. From the black guys. And they thought it was hilarious.
 
2009-07-11 10:55:19 PM  
This one is going to be in Public Relations textbooks for its many examples of how not to handle a racially charged controversy.

I wonder if this is the same guy from the swim club I saw on CNN yesterday commenting that he didn't like ht e "change in complexion" this brought.

All the words in the English language and you pick that one? At least pretend not to be a bigot.
 
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