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2009-07-09 04:43:46 PM  
TommyymmoT: flyingmonkeysreign: Remember kids, no matter what you do as long as you accept jesus into your heart and repent for your sins you get to go to heaven

/god had a plan when he infected those thousands of people

Note to self: DO NOT share needles with Jesus.


That wacky Jesus is ALWAYS trying to steal my smack.
 
2009-07-09 04:44:35 PM  
Russ1642: Isn't there some kind of way to tell if a syringe has been used before? Maybe like the plastic safety seals on pretty much everything else these days.

I'm guessing these were uncapped and used to draw up meds for use prior to surgery, and were therefore already "opened". The only way to tell really would be visible blood in the works. I feel really bad for the folks who had to endure procedures while improperly medicated since she replaced their drugs with saline.
 
2009-07-09 04:47:43 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste: Can we put the box at the bottom of a pool of needles?

Where TF did that picture come from?
Also the people she infected should be able to line up & inject her with needles full of air.
 
2009-07-09 04:49:01 PM  
In this version of the story, she implies the blame lies partly with the hospital for "leaving stuff laying around (new window)".
 
2009-07-09 04:50:50 PM  
KNEE_GROWS: Where TF did that picture come from?

I dropped it down to you plebes from UltraF++++++CarrierLost++++
 
2009-07-09 04:52:38 PM  
fritopendejo: They should inject her with a syringe full of bees.

Into her farking eyes.

WTF.
 
2009-07-09 04:53:06 PM  
hej: The story is a bit light on details, so maybe I'm missing something here. How did she get people to inject patients with used needles? I thought items which were supposed to be sterile were kept sealed until use. Perhaps somebody 'in the field' can clarify for me.

Simple, she would have a saline-filled used syringe already in her pocket (or in another convenient spot), and would just swap it with the unused syringe immediately before administering the "medicine" to the patient.
 
2009-07-09 04:53:43 PM  
tomcatadam 2009-07-09 04:27:48 PM
Crazy Lee: "Let these idiots imbibe what they will. Only laws impacting use should be limited to taking down those whose use gets in the way of someone else (then mandatory 10yrs)."

"This opens up a whole new area of possible assaults as well. Just saying."

A self limiting potential (most would get bored and seek treatment (eventually), some would retire themselves from the target pool, some would, like drunks, cause accidents and be locked up). We would still be paying out a pittance compared to the current system of, one the one hand, subsidizing illegal producers and sellers (all we do is use law enforcement to drive up the price) and, on the other, locking up mere users or making it necessary for biatches like this one to fark with others when it should have been possible for her to go into the Seven Eleven and pick up a bag of Red Rock for a couple bucks.
 
2009-07-09 04:53:47 PM  
I'm pretty sure that "so I shot the bit*ch, your honour" is a viable defense, here.
 
2009-07-09 04:54:06 PM  
Berz: Uchiha_Cycliste: I'm still confused.
Open bacon package.
Put bacon in pan.
Cook.
Place on paper towel.
Eat bacon with a sharp knife?

The knife is used to stop people from eating YOUR bacon.


No, that's what the dully, rusty spork is for.
 
2009-07-09 04:54:17 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste: KNEE_GROWS: Where TF did that picture come from?

I dropped it down to you plebes from UltraF++++++CarrierLost++++


You know better than that!
 
2009-07-09 04:54:42 PM  
dully = dull + [fat fingers]
 
2009-07-09 04:55:03 PM  
tomcatadam: cowgirl toffee: She belongs in Hell with these people.

Seems like more of an institutional problem than individual negligence.


Yes. And, they all need to burn.
Burn like a colonoscopy without pain meds.
 
2009-07-09 04:56:03 PM  
Rubberband Girl: wage0048 - The penalty:

1 syringe filled with a culture of the Ebola virus
3 syringes contaminated with MRSA
4 syringes of sodium pentathol
1 syringe with a lethal dose of heroin
91 syringes filled with saline.

Put all 100 syringes in identical boxes, shuffle them around so that no one knows which syringe is contained in a given box. The offender is required to select one syringe daily until they die. If they refuse to select one, the jailer administers one at random.


There's something elegant and just in this plan. No country, no legal system will ever go with it, but there's nothing wrong with fantasizing and awful end for such an awful, sorry excuse for a human being.

I'm also wondering why it took so long - really, six THOUSAND patients? - for someone to figure out something was wrong. Since the pain meds were being replaced with saline solution, you'd think a nurse or a doctor would've noticed a pattern of the needle contents NOT working before they got to 6,000.


That would make sense if she stole all 6000 syringes in whole cases. if she takes a few from here, a few from there, it might go un-noticed for quite some time.
 
2009-07-09 04:59:21 PM  
NANCY'S MEAT PUPPET: Uchiha_Cycliste: KNEE_GROWS: Where TF did that picture come from?

I dropped it down to you plebes from UltraF++++++CarrierLost++++

You know better than that!


I beg for forgiveness.
 
2009-07-09 05:02:01 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste: NANCY'S MEAT PUPPET: Uchiha_Cycliste: KNEE_GROWS: Where TF did that picture come from?

I dropped it down to you plebes from UltraF++++++CarrierLost++++

You know better than that!

I beg for forgiveness.


You are forgiven but don't let it happen again.

/You know how Drew gets.
 
2009-07-09 05:03:40 PM  
lukelightning: Rubberband Girl:

The placebo effect is incredibly powerful. I saw a speech by an expert in the neurobiology and psychology of the placebo effect who was himself a burn victim who has had 75% of his skin replaced after a fire attest to it (as well as elucidate as to how the placebo effect might function in the brain, etc.)


You know, it's something I've never talked about but as an ex-addict I sometimes have dreams where I get high and it feels as real, physically, as the real thing did.

/Hates waking up from those ;)
 
2009-07-09 05:09:24 PM  
What about the 6,000 patients after surgery who DIDN'T get any painkillers before they woke up. That is another crime right there. Those people can sue for pain and suffering now too. I guess they would biatch until they got some, but man, talk about an agonizing few minutes or longer!?

Imagine waking up from Open Heart Surgery with NO painkillers. ARghhh!!!
 
2009-07-09 05:10:41 PM  
hej: The story is a bit light on details, so maybe I'm missing something here. How did she get people to inject patients with used needles? I thought items which were supposed to be sterile were kept sealed until use. Perhaps somebody 'in the field' can clarify for me.

I used to set up saline solutions for an OR, and I had access to the needles. They don't necessarily come pre-packaged with the solution inside. My father's chemo, for example, is mixed on site by a pharmacy technician.
 
2009-07-09 05:12:16 PM  
Farkwaddle: lokiminio: HOLY FARK! Tie her down and let all 6000 people shove a bat up her ass.

People, take note. This is the idea of a genius. I, for one, would proudly support this method of sentencing. I have but one suggestion. Let the bats be infected with rabies and then let's make her go through the rabies treatment for EACH bat that has been inserted into her anus. We can then let her face PETA for the animal abuse since it was her anus the bats heads had been in. Also, when the bat treatment has been completed, let the first person infected take his time shoving his shiat encrusted over-sized boot into her vag.


Im not quite sure your thinking of the bats he was thinking of. If Im not mistaken Im assuming those to be baseball bats.
 
2009-07-09 05:13:17 PM  
fritopendejo: They should inject her with a syringe full of bees.


end.
 
2009-07-09 05:16:36 PM  
Murgen: What about the 6,000 patients after surgery who DIDN'T get any painkillers before they woke up. That is another crime right there. Those people can sue for pain and suffering now too. I guess they would biatch until they got some, but man, talk about an agonizing few minutes or longer!?

Imagine waking up from Open Heart Surgery with NO painkillers. ARghhh!!!


You scream loud enough, and you won't have to wait too long.
 
2009-07-09 05:17:31 PM  
I hope her supervisor wrote her up. Do that 3 more times and you're fired!
 
2009-07-09 05:17:48 PM  
Many thanks to the posters offering extra info and articles to fill out the story. Every bit helps to make sense of this mess.

lukelightning - The placebo effect is incredibly powerful. I saw a speech by an expert in the neurobiology and psychology of the placebo effect who was himself a burn victim who has had 75% of his skin replaced after a fire attest to it (as well as elucidate as to how the placebo effect might function in the brain, etc.)

I sure as hell hope the placebo effect was good and strong in each and every patient, but my gut tells me a few people must've noticed the difference and were the worse for it.

airsupport - In this version of the story, she implies the blame lies partly with the hospital for "leaving stuff laying around (new window)".

The article also says, "The former surgical technician who investigators suspect may have infected at least 10 people with hepatitis C will not be released to her parents before her next court appearance."

HOW old is this woman? Unless teenagers can be surgery techs, I cannot imagine anyone thinking a person old enough to have that job should be released from jail into the care of Mommy and Daddy. I know it must've been her lawyer who suggested it, but still...

This case is sounding more and more like an episode of "Law and Order." Five bucks says we'll see some version of this story in the fall.
 
2009-07-09 05:19:39 PM  
I hope this hospital's insurance company denies its claim once it gets sued.
 
2009-07-09 05:20:10 PM  
NANCY'S MEAT PUPPET: Uchiha_Cycliste: NANCY'S MEAT PUPPET: Uchiha_Cycliste: KNEE_GROWS: Where TF did that picture come from?

I dropped it down to you plebes from UltraF++++++CarrierLost++++

You know better than that!

I beg for forgiveness.

You are forgiven but don't let it happen again.

/You know how Drew gets.


Yeah... I'm still sore from the last time.
 
2009-07-09 05:23:38 PM  
How's that War on Drugs working for you, America?
 
2009-07-09 05:26:36 PM  
BasqueBastard: How's that War on Drugs working for you, America?

Well, we still got the blacks and the Mexicans down. Though those sneaky Chinese are making headway.
 
2009-07-09 05:29:06 PM  
may i sugest burning at the stake, it is time for this to make a comeback
 
2009-07-09 05:33:51 PM  
There are a great deal of people with hcv who are unaware they have it. Lets spend more $$$ on AIDS research for africa!
 
2009-07-09 05:34:59 PM  
Duke_leto_Atredes: may i sugest burning at the stake, it is time for this to make a comeback

You don't wanna do that! You know what happens after you say things like that.

i451.photobucket.com
 
2009-07-09 05:42:14 PM  
My good friend and co-worker is one of the 6,000 - he didn't even know the story had broken until he got a certified letter from the hospital yesterday. He had his blood test earlier today.


/sending good vibes to Aaron
 
2009-07-09 05:42:37 PM  
Hep C is actually curable with the current drugs if treated early. There was a recent report released on it. Apparently it's just a different treatment plan than they used to use, but it completely eliminates the virus.
 
2009-07-09 05:43:44 PM  
JaredSeth: The same woman from Sleeping Monkey's picture above.

extras.mnginteractive.com

Photos lie.


Is that a lip ring or teh Herp? I can't tell.
 
2009-07-09 05:52:37 PM  
BasqueBastard: How's that War on Drugs working for you, America?

What pray tell does that have to do with anything in this story or thread? Please enlighten us with your wisdom and fix all of our problems from your shiathouse in the hills.
 
2009-07-09 05:55:47 PM  
went to her myspace (new window) page. Lots of references to drug use. Not exactly trying to fly under the radar...
 
2009-07-09 06:02:16 PM  
Murgen: What about the 6,000 patients after surgery who DIDN'T get any painkillers before they woke up. That is another crime right there. Those people can sue for pain and suffering now too. I guess they would biatch until they got some, but man, talk about an agonizing few minutes or longer!?

Imagine waking up from Open Heart Surgery with NO painkillers. ARghhh!!!


Again, there's a good chance that there weren't 6,000 people who only got saline, just that there are 6,000 people who had surgery while she was employed there.

It depends on how often she stole the fentanyl syringes , whether she was addicted during her entire tenure, etc.
 
2009-07-09 06:03:31 PM  
House of Tards: Murgen: What about the 6,000 patients after surgery who DIDN'T get any painkillers before they woke up. That is another crime right there. Those people can sue for pain and suffering now too. I guess they would biatch until they got some, but man, talk about an agonizing few minutes or longer!?

Imagine waking up from Open Heart Surgery with NO painkillers. ARghhh!!!

Again, there's a good chance that there weren't 6,000 people who only got saline, just that there are 6,000 people who had surgery while she was employed there.

It depends on how often she stole the fentanyl syringes , whether she was addicted during her entire tenure, etc.


I read that she admitted to doing it 15-20 times
 
2009-07-09 06:05:11 PM  
R.A.Danny: BasqueBastard: How's that War on Drugs working for you, America?

What pray tell does that have to do with anything in this story or thread? Please enlighten us with your wisdom and fix all of our problems from your shiathouse in the hills.


If she was able to get her fixes legally, then she would have been doing so, 6,000 people wouldn't be terrified of receiving a positive Hepatitus diagnosis, those same 6,000 people wouldn't have been suffering pain during the procedure and so forth. The WoD is very much germaine to this discussion, I don't see how you could be so dense as to NOT see this and in the same post revert to a (poorly conceived and elitist) personal attack.
 
2009-07-09 06:08:20 PM  
Kristen what in the hell is wrong with you? if you were depressed and needed to talk, why didnt you just call or write me instead of doing that crazy shiat...girl i am going to pray for you...
 
2009-07-09 06:08:32 PM  
Leashlaw: eraser8: Rat Helmet.

No...No...NOOOOOOOO!! Anything but Room 101!!! PLEASE NOT ROOM 101!!!!!ELEVENTY11ONE!!!!!BBQ
*confesses everything*


I was about to be a pedant and tell you it was Room 106, but I've apparently been stunningly wrong for about 15 years now. So, uh, carry on.

/still no words to describe my reaction to this article
 
2009-07-09 06:12:21 PM  
mloree: I read that she admitted to doing it 15-20 times

Aha! If we posit that at the most, she might be off by a factor of 5, then there are 100 possible infections (not including up to 100 times that people were in agonizing pain for up to 15-20 minutes because she's a evil cow). This doesn't cover any OTHER farkups that she might have committed under the influence, but at least it's less of a "holy fark" number than 6000.
 
2009-07-09 06:19:44 PM  
So she stole the patient's painkillers and then gave them Hep C?
Wow. That is pure enriched awesome-enhanced weapons grade asshole material there. I would have to actually work hard to think up something worse. . . Eating someone's extremities while they watch? Saving one eye for last of course.
 
2009-07-09 06:22:31 PM  
tweekster: NoLiving: War on drugs!

What does this have to do with the war on drugs?


This has EVERYTHING to do with the War On (some) Drugs.

If she was able to buy her painkillers legally, she would have been able to fund it easily off her hospital income. The same way smokers generally have no trouble funding a several-pack-a-day habit. Morphine/Heroin is freaky cheap to make.

But seeing as it's illegal, she had to pull this crap to get her fix. Legalized, and these 6000 people wouldn't have a serious issue to deal with right now.

darkscout: She's a drug addict and probably doesn't have too much money.

It's amazing how farking ignorant people like you can be. Because she uses drugs, she must be a failure in life. "Winners don't use drugs" and all that. Except she's working as a surgery tech at a hospital. Last time I checked, that was a pretty decent-paying job. So while she's probably not rich, she's probably comfortably middle-class.
 
2009-07-09 06:22:58 PM  
R.A.Danny: BasqueBastard: How's that War on Drugs working for you, America?

What pray tell does that have to do with anything in this story or thread? Please enlighten us with your wisdom and fix all of our problems from your shiathouse in the hills.


You have to be pretty dense to think that the War On DrugsTM has nothing to do with this.

She wasn't doing this as a prank, she was doing it to get drugs that were not available to her.
 
2009-07-09 06:29:08 PM  
ha-ha-guy: Yeah, I doubt we'd legalize heroin anyways. That's some nasty shiat.

So you support the violent gangs in our streets that distribute it, and you want people to have to pull stupid stunts like this to get their fix?

Oh, you're one of those idiots that thinks that sense we ban something, it magically goes away. Sense we banned heroin, we no longer have any problem with people getting addicted to it, and this article is just an illusion?

People will always do drugs, and we have to choose how we will allow the supply to meet the demand. You advocate robbery, violent gangs, and scary stories like this article. I advocate peaceful private business, as violence and robbery is probably not a good thing for society.
 
2009-07-09 06:42:54 PM  
biggestdog420: i'd like to know how she ever got the position in the first place.

every job I apply to requires strict background checks.

especially in a hospital.. I don't know for sure, but I would think they would test for hepatitis

And 'surgery tech'?? thats a well paid responsible position. You have to know what your doing to work in that capacity.


She probably got hooked on drugs while she worked there and that lead to her infection.

Gordian Cipher: cranky: Further more there has to be a million better ways of stealing drugs when you work in a hospital (wathc Nurse Jackie).

And even furthermore, it means she was getting high while at work and prepping people for surgery. I would also be worried about the consequences of mistakes in the surgery prep due to her being stoned out of her gourd on her patients' drugs. Hep C is treatable. Deaths on the operating table are not.


How do you conclude this? She could have been taking them home and swapping previously prepared ones.

itsneat: http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/reusing-syringes-%E2%80%9Ccommon-pract i ce%E2%80%9D-at-las-vegas-clinics.aspx?googleid=29862

Story of how profit driven clinics in Las Vegas did it.

FTA
"The story just keeps getting worse from Las Vegas where a group-owned clinic reused syringes and failed to properly clean equipment for colonoscopies.

In the drive for profits, many medical facilities are consolidating and reusing equipment, but those cost-saving procedures may have put thousands in jeopardy of contracting the infectious blood disease hepatitis C, hepatitis B and HIV."

40,000 patients needed to be tested in that case.


/how is that profit driven healthcare treating you?
//hope the victims of that twisted skank are okay.


Although this was actually a lesser risk. The syringes were clean, the culprit was the bottles of medicine. Stick needle in patient. Stick needle in bottle to get more medicine. Stick needle in patient. When you're done with the patient you need to chuck the bottle, they weren't.

R.A.Danny: BasqueBastard: How's that War on Drugs working for you, America?

What pray tell does that have to do with anything in this story or thread? Please enlighten us with your wisdom and fix all of our problems from your shiathouse in the hills.


If it weren't for the war on drugs she wouldn't have done this.



Anyway, may I suggest a different punishment:

Life in prison without parole. However, she is absolutely forbidden painkillers of any type.
 
2009-07-09 06:43:13 PM  
Just got this a few minutes ago in an e-mail:

Statement from Ken Feiler, president & CEO, Rose Medical Center


Our staff continues to speak with patients who are calling our call center about the screening process and to answer any questions. We are getting about 300 calls per day and have heard from Quest Diagnostics that about 800 people have gone in for testing at their labs.

After speaking with experts in hepatitis C and infection control, we have been cautioned that we WILL see positive results from this screening because there are between 1% and 3% of the general population that is infected with hepatitis C - and as many as HALF do not know it. While we fully expect to see positive test results, it may take months before state and CDC investigators can determine if any of the patients who test positive were actually infected by the terminated employee.

We are confident state and CDC investigators can sort out the cause of the exposures eventually - but right now, proper patient care is our ONLY priority. In the interim, we will make sure every person who tests positive is evaluated by their primary care doctor or specialist in hepatitis, and Rose will pay for appropriate treatment.

Today, we also would like to make absolutely clear: The Rose Medical Center employee health nurse spoke with Ms. Parker at 7:30 a.m. on Oct. 20 for about 20 minutes prior to the new employee orientation. Our nurse told Ms. Parker about her hepatitis C results and counseled the new employee to see her doctor. Our nurse offered to make an appointment for Ms. Parker at the Rose Family Medicine clinic which would be a free visit. And the nurse counseled Ms. Parker about healthcare precautions to prevent the transmission of the disease at work.

It is important to note that Rose physicians and staff have always strived to ensure fail-safe processes and tools to keep our medications secure. Among these are state-of-the-art, computerized, locked drug cabinets that only authorized people with passwords can access, controlled access to sensitive areas, etc. But after being notified in June of a possible exposure, our Quality and Clinical staffs began reviewing all processes in our surgical and other patient care areas. We also invited State Health to come to Rose to help recommend improvements. Together with our physicians, Rose in June reiterated its policy regarding narcotics - that NOTHING is to be drawn or laid out in surgical or other areas prior to having the patient in the room or without direct and constant physician supervision of those drugs. We have zero tolerance for anything less.
 
2009-07-09 06:49:12 PM  
Otto's_Jacket: Just got this a few minutes ago in an e-mail:

Statement from Ken Feiler, president & CEO, Rose Medical Center
We have zero tolerance for anything less.


Actually you do have a lower tolerance for anything else buddy. This shiat didn't happen by magic. Nice try though, I guess tough talk seems like a good idea when you really farked up. Maybe grandmas will buy your new scary boss shtick.
 
2009-07-09 07:08:57 PM  
Earl of Chives: Otto's_Jacket: Just got this a few minutes ago in an e-mail:

Statement from Ken Feiler, president & CEO, Rose Medical Center
We have zero tolerance for anything less.

Actually you do have a lower tolerance for anything else buddy. This shiat didn't happen by magic. Nice try though, I guess tough talk seems like a good idea when you really farked up. Maybe grandmas will buy your new scary boss shtick.


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