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(Guardian)   Frenchman gets token win in Tour de France, and the crowd goes wild   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 39
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2009-07-09 09:15:43 AM  
The French word for coward is "liberal"
 
2009-07-09 09:39:53 AM  
Dogfacedgod

You suck at French.
 
2009-07-09 09:45:05 AM  
Dogfacedgod: The French word for coward is "liberal"

Wow, target fixation much?
 
2009-07-09 09:47:36 AM  
Subby:Frenchman gets token win in Tour de France, and the crowd goes wild surrenders.

FTFY
 
2009-07-09 09:50:57 AM  
www.inwap.com

\hot
\\like a plunger?
 
2009-07-09 09:55:08 AM  
Dogfacedgod: The French word for coward is "liberal"

The English word for 'dogfacedgod' is 'Arsehole'
 
2009-07-09 10:05:41 AM  
Marcus Aurelius: Dogfacedgod

You suck at French.


Tu es completement débile
 
2009-07-09 10:06:38 AM  
It just illustrates how far French cycling has fallen that Thomas Voeckler is a national hero. He's one of those plucky guys who gets into breaks a lot and sometimes gets lucky. (A kind of cheap rip-off of Jens Voigt, if you will.) But a great cyclist he is not. Before him the star was Richard Virenque, a notorious doper who purposely lost major time on earlier stages so that he could get away and win a future mountain stage. How Bernard Hinault can stand it I have no idea.
 
2009-07-09 10:07:20 AM  
Dogfacedgod: Marcus Aurelius: Dogfacedgod

You suck at French.

Tu es completement débile


Yes, Google Translate is a wonder to us all.
 
2009-07-09 10:14:23 AM  
No YOU'RE a Towel: Dogfacedgod: Marcus Aurelius: Dogfacedgod

You suck at French.

Tu es completement débile

Yes, Google Translate is a wonder to us all.


or 8 years of french, ese.
 
2009-07-09 10:53:22 AM  
I just really can't bring myself to care about cycling. The whole sport is so riddled with performance-enhancing drugs that my first thought on reading this story was, "Okay, this guy juiced a little more than everyone else today."

Also, Lance Armstrong is a douche. His wife stood next to him and supported him during his cancer treatment, then as soon as he was cancer-free, he divorced her so he could bang Sheryl Crow.
 
2009-07-09 11:01:42 AM  
"dont try this at home"chirps phil leggits commenting on David miller's tuck riding.
huh?
 
2009-07-09 11:04:56 AM  
I love this! go miller!
 
2009-07-09 11:38:37 AM  
Millar almost got today's win; too bad he couldn't hold on for another 1.7 km but the slight uphill finish zapped him

/ Lance will win
 
2009-07-09 11:49:49 AM  
I love to see a breakaway survive.

Of course, I also like to see them get gobbled up by the peloton 50m before the finish line.

Can't wait for the mountains.
 
2009-07-09 12:07:02 PM  
Apparently Voeckler's calendar is off by a week. I always thought that the token win for a French rider was on Bastille Day.
 
2009-07-09 12:07:10 PM  
I was looking forward to Contador vs Sastre
hopefully this happens soon!
 
2009-07-09 01:38:58 PM  
expobill: I was looking forward to Contador vs Sastre
hopefully this happens soon!


Tomorrow's gotta HC and a 1. It'll be the first day of real climbing. It'll be interesting to see who on Astana works for who.

blockhouse You sound like a baseball fan.
 
2009-07-09 02:08:24 PM  
Why is this a "token" win. I only saw the end of the stage, but it looked like Voeckler broke away at just the right time, and broke away far enough that the peloton couldn't catch him. Is anybody implying that the peloton just let him go 'cause he's french?
 
2009-07-09 02:12:06 PM  
bottsicus: Why is this a "token" win. I only saw the end of the stage, but it looked like Voeckler broke away at just the right time, and broke away far enough that the peloton couldn't catch him. Is anybody implying that the peloton just let him go 'cause he's french?

No, Subby is a greenlight-whore who eats freedom fries.
That's what I make of it anyways.
 
2009-07-09 03:52:36 PM  
FYI subby, there is no such thing as a token win in the TdF anymore than there is a token win in any other professional sport. Nobody is giving these things away and if you watched Voeckler earned it and earned it big. Subby, you know how winded you get and the amount of suffering you feel in your legs going up that second flight of stairs? Multiply that by 100 and increase the timeline to 1~4+ hours and you might start to get an idea of what it takes to win a stage.

Dogfacedgod: The French word for coward is "liberal"

And the American word for coward is neocon

blockhouse: I just really can't bring myself to care about cycling. The whole sport is so riddled with performance-enhancing drugs that my first thought on reading this story was, "Okay, this guy juiced a little more than everyone else today."

Manny would be out for two years if he was racing bicycles. 50 games pffft
 
2009-07-09 03:54:27 PM  
moogrum: I love to see a breakaway survive.

Of course, I also like to see them get gobbled up by the peloton 50m before the finish line.

Can't wait for the mountains.


It's the suspense that gets ya
 
2009-07-09 03:59:11 PM  
relaxitsjustme: FYI subby, there is no such thing as a token win in the TdF anymore than there is a token win in any other professional sport. Nobody is giving these things away and if you watched Voeckler earned it and earned it big. Subby, you know how winded you get and the amount of suffering you feel in your legs going up that second flight of stairs? Multiply that by 100 and increase the timeline to 1~4+ hours and you might start to get an idea of what it takes to win a stage.

Not entirely true. The leader gets a token win at the Champs de Elysees. And Lance usually gets a token win in the TTT.

Seriously... It's not really fair to call it a race stage, it's more like how much will e win by ;). Assuming his teammates don't crash out in the rain...
 
2009-07-09 04:20:21 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste: relaxitsjustme: FYI subby, there is no such thing as a token win in the TdF anymore than there is a token win in any other professional sport. Nobody is giving these things away and if you watched Voeckler earned it and earned it big. Subby, you know how winded you get and the amount of suffering you feel in your legs going up that second flight of stairs? Multiply that by 100 and increase the timeline to 1~4+ hours and you might start to get an idea of what it takes to win a stage.

Not entirely true. The leader gets a token win at the Champs de Elysees. And Lance usually gets a token win in the TTT.

Seriously... It's not really fair to call it a race stage, it's more like how much will e win by ;). Assuming his teammates don't crash out in the rain...


It's not a token win because it's often been elemental to his securing the yellow. Also this year I feel like Contador pulled a lot more than Armstrong.
 
2009-07-09 04:29:56 PM  
umop ap!sdn: It's not a token win because it's often been elemental to his securing the yellow. Also this year I feel like Contador pulled a lot more than Armstrong.

I know, I know, I was making a joke about his absurd dominance in the Time trials for the last 8 tours he's been in. ;)
I really wish pro TTT's had turn arounds like collegiate ones do.
I would love to see an 8 man pro team do a submarine turn around.
 
2009-07-09 04:44:32 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste: relaxitsjustme: FYI subby, there is no such thing as a token win in the TdF anymore than there is a token win in any other professional sport. Nobody is giving these things away and if you watched Voeckler earned it and earned it big. Subby, you know how winded you get and the amount of suffering you feel in your legs going up that second flight of stairs? Multiply that by 100 and increase the timeline to 1~4+ hours and you might start to get an idea of what it takes to win a stage.

Not entirely true. The leader gets a token win at the Champs de Elysees.


Sort of. The GC leader doesn't usually have to defend it but the stage is still up for grabs.

As interesting as it has been so far I think the mountains will seperate the old men from the young men.
 
2009-07-09 04:48:39 PM  
relaxitsjustme: As interesting as it has been so far I think the mountains will seperate the old men from the young men.

That goes with out saying... a more meaningful prediction is to say whether the old men or the young men will be the ones ahead.
I'm pulling for the old man. (Levi and Lance).

\OMG I'm only a year younger than Contrador, I feel like such a loser now.
 
2009-07-09 04:57:55 PM  
Sometimes I dream about what could have been had Ulrich just had a little bit more discipline and wasn't so fat all the time, the epic competition that would have been over 6 of those 7 tours could have been legendary. Think he could have snatched at least 2 or 3. I mean I can't fault him for liking good times, but in a sport where you literally weigh out your food for weeks prior to events those pounds are inexcusable.
 
2009-07-09 05:17:16 PM  
umop ap!sdn: Sometimes I dream about what could have been had Ulrich just had a little bit more discipline and wasn't so fat all the time, the epic competition that would have been over 6 of those 7 tours could have been legendary. Think he could have snatched at least 2 or 3. I mean I can't fault him for liking good times, but in a sport where you literally weigh out your food for weeks prior to events those pounds are inexcusable.

If Pantini hadn't killed himself and Hamilton hadn't, well been Hamilton It could have been REALLY interesting.
 
2009-07-09 05:54:05 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste: relaxitsjustme: As interesting as it has been so far I think the mountains will seperate the old men from the young men.

That goes with out saying... a more meaningful prediction is to say whether the old men or the young men will be the ones ahead.
I'm pulling for the old man. (Levi and Lance).

\OMG I'm only a year younger than Contrador, I feel like such a loser now.


I'm going to have to go with youth on this one. Sure it would be cool for Lance or Levi to win but as the song goes: that old grey mare ain't what she used to be

OMG I'm only 20+ years older than Uchiha_Cycliste, I feel like such a loser now. Thanks a lot.

umop ap!sdn: Sometimes I dream about what could have been had Ulrich just had a little bit more discipline and wasn't so fat all the time, the epic competition that would have been over 6 of those 7 tours could have been legendary. Think he could have snatched at least 2 or 3. I mean I can't fault him for liking good times, but in a sport where you literally weigh out your food for weeks prior to events those pounds are inexcusable.

I never understood that, showing up for the tour looking pudgy like he did.
 
2009-07-09 05:55:34 PM  
relaxitsjustme: OMG I'm only 20+ years older than Uchiha_Cycliste, I feel like such a loser now. Thanks a lot.

Well lemme ask you, did you start racing in your early teens and through college with ambition of going pro?
 
2009-07-09 06:09:46 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste: relaxitsjustme: OMG I'm only 20+ years older than Uchiha_Cycliste, I feel like such a loser now. Thanks a lot.

Well lemme ask you, did you start racing in your early teens and through college with ambition of going pro?


You must have me confused with somebody with a high VO2 max :) I did a couple of local crits when I was a young man and pretty much got my ass handed to me on a saddle. I just love to ride.
 
2009-07-09 06:20:43 PM  
relaxitsjustme: I just love to ride.

Nothing could make me happier than to hear this.
 
2009-07-09 06:53:58 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste: relaxitsjustme: I just love to ride.

Nothing could make me happier than to hear this.


Thanks, too bad about your leg. How long are you out?
 
2009-07-09 07:03:49 PM  
relaxitsjustme: Uchiha_Cycliste: relaxitsjustme: I just love to ride.

Nothing could make me happier than to hear this.

Thanks, too bad about your leg. How long are you out?


Months yet. My tibia appears back in one piece, but my fibula is still pretty badly shattered. They are measuring my progress by the gaps between the bones. I'm back in my old stinky boot and out of a cast (so that I can shower and start doing PT on flexibility) but won't be able to walk on with the boot till the end of the month. I'm probably looking at (maybe) September till I can walk on my own two legs, I hope.
What's most sickening is that this happened, I'm certain, because of how much I was riding now and in my youth.
In his study, the bone density of 32 male, competitive bike riders, most in their late 20s and early 30s, was compared to that of age-matched controls, men who were active but not competitive athletes. Bone scans showed that almost all of the cyclists had significantly less bone density in the spine than the control group. Some of the racers, young men in their 20s, had osteopenia in their spines, a medical condition only one step below full-blown osteoporosis. "To find guys in their twenties with osteopenia was surprising and pretty disturbing," Smathers says. (new window)
Just prior to this I was riding around 250-300 miles per week, 5 straight days on/ 2 days off. This article actually describes my habits and lifestyle exactly =/.

I expect it will take me two or three years to get back to being able to ride to work (min 45 mi/day) every day =(. But I plan to take steps to prevent this from happening again, and do my best to recover as quickly as possible.
 
2009-07-09 07:36:19 PM  
Wow that is seriously farked.

I caught that NY times article too (along with having the link e-mailed to me several times by friends and family) and came to the conclusion that it wasn't really a concern. (Wife is a runner so plenty of cross-training)

My own personal theory on why it happens is the body will adapt to perform what tasks we ask/demand of it. So if you're riding high mileage one of the ways for the body to adapt to that task is to lighten itself of material that it's not using.

I've heard vibration therapy will help build up bone density but the best advise is one that you can use in just about all aspects of life: Moderation in all things.

/Passing out advise, shait now I do feel old. I'm old
 
2009-07-09 07:50:58 PM  
relaxitsjustme: Wow that is seriously farked.

I caught that NY times article too (along with having the link e-mailed to me several times by friends and family) and came to the conclusion that it wasn't really a concern. (Wife is a runner so plenty of cross-training)

My own personal theory on why it happens is the body will adapt to perform what tasks we ask/demand of it. So if you're riding high mileage one of the ways for the body to adapt to that task is to lighten itself of material that it's not using.

I've heard vibration therapy will help build up bone density but the best advise is one that you can use in just about all aspects of life: Moderation in all things.

/Passing out advise, shait now I do feel old. I'm old


Prior to reading it I had never considered that if my food intake jumps to 6000 calories a day my minerals and nutrients should too... kind of dumb. I balanced my diet with respect to protein, fat and carbs, sweet, sweet carbs. But never everything else I need. They had it spot on that I never run (even though I ran xc my first and last years of HS), frankly I didn't think I could afford the energy to do these things. I was dedicating everything I had to recovering my muscles so I could go out 3-5 hours a day.
I'm not sure how I am gonna work them into my schedule but I assume that I will no longer be able to commute every day, (which is a bummer). I also hope to start running as soon as I am able to start riding again. Prevent the (almost certain osteopenia asap)
I've broken 7 bones including these 2: 4/5th metatarsals(avoiding getting hit by a car), tibia, fibia slipping on grass at a campground XO , rib climbing up a steep hill on my single speed , elbow falling out of an office chair and wrist bike crash, and it's kind of coming to light why. From now on it'll stop happening.
On the upside I've also broken 10 bike frames =D 1 Simonetti, 4 FSRxc's, 3 KHS Flite Teams, A Cannondale six13, and a Schwin, all from riding, never crashing. I've asked Companies and warranty reps (especially the ones I ride with) why they break on me and Specialized and Cannondale's official position is that I am unlucky.
 
2009-07-09 09:39:57 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste

No, Subby is a greenlight-whore who eats freedom fries.
That's what I make of it anyways.


You got everything right except for the fries. Make that fried anchovy tapas on Las Ramblas in Barcelona, and you've hit the nail on the head.

/subby
 
2009-07-09 10:02:28 PM  
Marcus Aurelius: Uchiha_Cycliste

No, Subby is a greenlight-whore who eats freedom fries.
That's what I make of it anyways.

You got everything right except for the fries. Make that fried anchovy tapas on Las Ramblas in Barcelona, and you've hit the nail on the head.

/subby


You partially redeem yourself by mentioning Barcelona.
But as long as we are gonna be getting TDF green lights, which are rare and precious, let's keep em awesome, not silly.

I < 3 TDF greenlights, my first was one.
 
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