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2009-07-09 08:52:14 AM
If you hear a noise that sounds like hundred thousand people saying "wop", I suggest you run. Fast.
 
2009-07-09 09:07:07 AM
At last.

A Fark thread with no farking americans. ;)

/I'll be here all day, probably on my own
//England 435, Aussie 55-0, Flintoff just dropped a very difficult return chance but bowling very well
 
2009-07-09 09:07:32 AM
I have nothing against cricket at all but that box score gave me a seizure.

AGGHHHH...its self refreshing...I think my eyeball is bleeding..
 
2009-07-09 09:08:19 AM
England finished strong this morning. However, and maybe this is because Im a newbie to the sport, but the commentators saying that England basically cant lose the match now cant do basic math. England used less than 1/4 of the available overs. Even if they repeat in their 2nd at bat, that gives Australia more than half the overs, so they just need to score at a better pace than England.
 
2009-07-09 09:08:54 AM
A Fark thread with no farking americans. ;)

Wrong.
 
2009-07-09 09:16:06 AM
Tjos Weel: A Fark thread with no farking americans. ;)

Wrong.


Lol.

Anyway, Flintoff strikes. Hughes gets an inside edge and Matt Prior takes a good catch down the leg side. 60-1, Ricky Ponting in to bat.
 
2009-07-09 09:21:12 AM
luckyeddie: Tjos Weel: A Fark thread with no farking americans. ;)

Wrong.

Lol.

Anyway, Flintoff strikes. Hughes gets an inside edge and Matt Prior takes a good catch down the leg side. 60-1, Ricky Ponting in to bat.


I swear you just listed a bunch of baseball players.

/Amazing boobies in the thread
//Is there a way somebody could give a quick rundown of how to tell who's winning based on that box score? All I know about cricket comes from Douglas Adams books.
 
2009-07-09 09:21:57 AM
Tjos Weel: England finished strong this morning. However, and maybe this is because Im a newbie to the sport, but the commentators saying that England basically cant lose the match now cant do basic math. England used less than 1/4 of the available overs. Even if they repeat in their 2nd at bat, that gives Australia more than half the overs, so they just need to score at a better pace than England.

England lost a test match in Australia two years ago where they scored over 500 in the first innings. I think what the commentators were saying is that an Australian victory is the least likely of the results now, but there is a long way to go.

The biggest problem Australia have is that they are likely to have to bat last on a wicket that will show increasing amounts of spin - and England have two very competent spinners.
 
2009-07-09 09:23:44 AM
Tjos Weel: England finished strong this morning. However, and maybe this is because Im a newbie to the sport, but the commentators saying that England basically cant lose the match now cant do basic math.

commentators talking bollocks? unpossible.

/as they didn't stuff up their first innings they shouldn't really lose unless they collapse in the second innings, but that doesn't mean they will win as getting a draw in test match cricket is very likely.
 
2009-07-09 09:27:30 AM
that doesn't mean they will win as getting a draw in test match cricket is very likely.


The England-West Indies series was the first test series I ever followed, so Im well aware of the draw possibilities. :)
 
2009-07-09 09:27:46 AM
RogueViking:
/Amazing boobies in the thread
//Is there a way somebody could give a quick rundown of how to tell who's winning based on that box score? All I know about cricket comes from Douglas Adams books.


There isn't really. It's one of those 'feel' things. Cricket wickets tend to deteriorate over five days, and even staying in, let alone scoring runs, can be very tricky on day five. It's usually an advantage to bat first because of this - yet that can sometimes bite you in the bollocks because a green, damp wicket at the start of the game can afford the bowlers a lot of help.

At the moment, I'd say that England are 'just' ahead as far as overall position is concerned - but an Aussie would probably beg to differ. The key will be how Australia handle England's spinners. I'll try to post some sort of update at regular intervals.
 
2009-07-09 09:31:57 AM
This has got to be on somewhere in the States. Hopefully I can catch some 2nd innings action over the weekend if it lasts that long.
 
2009-07-09 09:36:49 AM
H31N0US: This has got to be on somewhere in the States. Hopefully I can catch some 2nd innings action over the weekend if it lasts that long.

Not sure about tv, but there are t'internets linkys. They all cost though.
 
2009-07-09 09:41:20 AM
luckyeddie: At last.

A Fark thread with no farking americans. ;)


Wrong.

/Came just to say wrong
//Mission Accomplished.
 
2009-07-09 09:47:59 AM
And that's DRINKS.

Love that.
 
2009-07-09 09:56:30 AM
My mother said "To get things done, you better not mess with Major Tom."
 
2009-07-09 09:57:05 AM
RogueViking: /Amazing boobies in the thread
//Is there a way somebody could give a quick rundown of how to tell who's winning based on that box score? All I know about cricket comes from Douglas Adams books.


England got all out for 435 runs in the first innings

Australia are 87 with 1 out (10 outs ends the innings)

Typically you put your best batsmen on towards the start so you get lots of runs for few outs early on. You don't expect the last few batters to get many runs before they get out (they tend to be the bowlers).

Par score for an innings in a test match is about 350. A strong innings is 425+ and getting 500+ is usually considered a near impossible score to beat. There are two innings in a test match.

You can get a draw if you fail to get everyone out by the end of the match (which is why, once you've got a comfortable score you don't think can be beaten, it's usually best to declare so you've plenty of time to get them out)
 
2009-07-09 10:02:24 AM
I swear to god I have no idea what you guys are saying. Is this on in the states? I'm interested in learning about it.
 
2009-07-09 10:04:03 AM
you gotta know what a crumpet is to understand cricket?
 
2009-07-09 10:09:00 AM
It's quite simple, England have two slips in the Gully and will be aiming to at least get an LBW before the over is over! Last thing england need would be some boundries but, thankfully as it's a Test, the Duckworth-Lewis method won't come into play.

Understand now?
 
2009-07-09 10:11:39 AM
luckyeddie: RogueViking:
/Amazing boobies in the thread
//Is there a way somebody could give a quick rundown of how to tell who's winning based on that box score? All I know about cricket comes from Douglas Adams books.

There isn't really. It's one of those 'feel' things. Cricket wickets tend to deteriorate over five days, and even staying in, let alone scoring runs, can be very tricky on day five. It's usually an advantage to bat first because of this - yet that can sometimes bite you in the bollocks because a green, damp wicket at the start of the game can afford the bowlers a lot of help.

At the moment, I'd say that England are 'just' ahead as far as overall position is concerned - but an Aussie would probably beg to differ. The key will be how Australia handle England's spinners. I'll try to post some sort of update at regular intervals.


Yeah I'll agree there - and I'm an aussie. The match is definitely in the poms favour, however it is by a small amount. One good session / good 5 overs could easily tip the match on its head in either direction.

As for the pitch, I was interested yesterday when they showed the end result of the first ball. It was virtually flawless after the 80 overs. Damn that must be a soft pitch. So much for reverse swing. And considering the spin that hauritz was getting yesterday, day 4-5 will be a scary time with the bat - whoever it will be.

/only now getting a chance to watch
//annoyed at that fact
 
2009-07-09 10:15:04 AM
abigsmurf: It's quite simple, England have two slips in the Gully and will be aiming to at least get an LBW before the over is over! Last thing england need would be some boundries but, thankfully as it's a Test, the Duckworth-Lewis method won't come into play.

Understand now?


That's a silly point
/Nice googly by the way
 
2009-07-09 10:15:47 AM
Looks like this Monty fellow is starting to settle in after a rough welcome.
 
2009-07-09 10:17:56 AM
Biggs: I swear to god I have no idea what you guys are saying. Is this on in the states? I'm interested in learning about it.

The day one thread has a few attempts at explaining the rules of cricket - in both english and in baseball. Have a look and see if it helps
 
2009-07-09 10:22:37 AM
Ashes 2... Ashes?

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Unavailable for bloody comment.

\got nothin
 
2009-07-09 10:26:51 AM
Reading about cricket reminds me of one of my favorite Dave Barry columns:

Recently my family and I spent a week in London, which is a popular foreign place to visit because they have learned to speak some English over there. Although frankly they have a long way to go. Often, when they get to the crucial part of a sentence, they'll realize that they don't know the correct words, so they'll just make some silly ones up.
 
2009-07-09 10:26:55 AM
Biggs: Is this on in the states?

Found one that's working at the moment. http://sportzpal.net/ (fark threw it away) Ugly-ass site, but its a good stream. Click on channel 3. Keep an eye on the comments if the stream dies if you want to keep watching it.
God damn copyright holders
 
2009-07-09 10:34:01 AM
SJKebab: Biggs: I swear to god I have no idea what you guys are saying. Is this on in the states? I'm interested in learning about it.

The day one thread has a few attempts at explaining the rules of cricket - in both english and in baseball. Have a look and see if it helps


That helped immensely. I've found a stream and actually have a slight semblance of an idea of what's happening as a result of the explanations in that thread.
 
2009-07-09 10:51:55 AM
RogueViking: That helped immensely. I've found a stream and actually have a slight semblance of an idea of what's happening as a result of the explanations in that thread.

In concept, it's a fairly easy game. The problem is the 18th-19th century farkers who decided upon the lingo. That makes it all but inaccessible to anyone not raised on the game. The same can be said for many sports, but not to the same ridiculous extent as cricket.

Myself, I developed a deaf-spot to when they started talking about the fielding positions. I'm ok now, but it took me a long time to even have a semblance of a clue as to what they were talking about when they'd say "he's hit it to deep mid wicket".

The best bet is to ignore what you don't understand, concentrate on what you do, and slowly work out the grey areas.
 
2009-07-09 10:56:56 AM
God damn punter is a champ! I'd kill to have is golf handicap let alone his batting skill.
 
2009-07-09 11:03:46 AM
SJKebab: Found one that's working at the moment. http://sportzpal.net/ (fark threw it away) Ugly-ass site, but its a good stream.

It was a good stream. Still watchable though. I made the offer last night, and I'll make the offer again tonight. If you want to offer a proxy, I'll be happy to try and stream myself. I'll password protect it too so it'll be a fark only experience. EIP.

It's 1am here now, so I can't be arsed trying until tomoorrow, but I'll be happy to have a go - proxy providing. (Cable company hassles my ISP - they threaten to cut off both. Gotta be careful)
 
2009-07-09 11:18:36 AM
very close lbw shout against katich...

Hawkeye says it was plum lb - Still looked too high to begin with.
 
2009-07-09 11:30:59 AM
RogueViking: luckyeddie: Tjos Weel: A Fark thread with no farking americans. ;)

Wrong.

Lol.

Anyway, Flintoff strikes. Hughes gets an inside edge and Matt Prior takes a good catch down the leg side. 60-1, Ricky Ponting in to bat.

I swear you just listed a bunch of baseball players.

/Amazing boobies in the thread
//Is there a way somebody could give a quick rundown of how to tell who's winning based on that box score? All I know about cricket comes from Douglas Adams books.


It's simple. Cricket is a top secret conspiracy by the British government to re-conquer the empire by boring people to death. There are neither rules nor rational scoring.
 
2009-07-09 11:34:17 AM
hisphrenic: There are neither rules nor rational scoring.

Think of it like baseball. With the offside rule. That's basically exactly what it's entirely not like.
 
2009-07-09 11:39:24 AM
So if I've got this right now: Australia is down 265 runs, but they're actually doing quite well. Dodging that near second "out" (are they actually called outs?) earlier, means their pace is ahead of where England's was. Or is that negated by having the crappy batters (the bowlers) at the bottom of the "order"?
 
2009-07-09 11:44:03 AM
moistD: you gotta know what a crumpet is to understand cricket?

I'll teach ya...

/6 Points.
//A Jose Canseco bat? Tell me you didn't pay money for this.
 
2009-07-09 11:46:05 AM
RogueViking: So if I've got this right now: Australia is down 265 runs, but they're actually doing quite well. Dodging that near second "out" (are they actually called outs?) earlier, means their pace is ahead of where England's was. Or is that negated by having the crappy batters (the bowlers) at the bottom of the "order"?

Correct, unless the bat is cracked in which case the badgers are released.
 
2009-07-09 11:49:13 AM
Man, Ponting is looking great, so is Katich...hope they keep it up, and both get centuries.

/Probably just jinxed them.
 
2009-07-09 11:52:52 AM
Ugh, dreaded Monty Panesar is bowling now. I always thought he was a great bowler, and should have kept the captaincy, but that's just my opinion.
 
2009-07-09 11:53:34 AM
Just as I expected, a maiden over from Panesar.
 
2009-07-09 12:01:58 PM
Is there ANY action in this pitch at all?
 
2009-07-09 12:03:22 PM
Just saw this quote from KP about his shocking dismissal yesterday;

"If my head hadn't been in the way I would probably have got away with it."

True on so many levels
 
2009-07-09 12:14:06 PM
Unless we get a couple of wickets fast, Australia will be on their way to a 500.
 
2009-07-09 12:30:41 PM
Both Katich and Ponting are at 85...come on partnership centuries!!
 
2009-07-09 12:47:00 PM
Damn, England needs a wicket bad...
 
2009-07-09 01:06:30 PM
There it is! Ponting and Katich, both with their centuries, just before stumps....brilliant work!!
 
2009-07-09 01:08:43 PM
He he all the brits in the office are glum...
 
2009-07-09 01:09:27 PM
England better get Katich early in the first session tomorrow and hope Hussey goes quietly or they will have wasted a good first innings AGAIN..
 
2009-07-09 01:20:03 PM
Australia avoid the follow on.
/ that'll confuse 'em

RogueViking: So if I've got this right now: Australia is down 265 runs, but they're actually doing quite well. Dodging that near second "out" (are they actually called outs?)

It's called a wicket (can mean dismissal (out), the stumps or the pitch itself), but the batsman is deemed to be out. To say the score it's currently "249 for 1". You don't need to say out or wicket. Here's a link on some cricket slang. Link (new window)

Australia are in a pretty strong position now. A draw (tie) is probably a likely result, but if the Aussies put on the runs tomorrow they may look at a declaration after tea, maybe an hour or so before stumps.
 
2009-07-09 01:40:17 PM
I love looking at the scorecard, it's like knowing a few phrases of a language but being unable to talk in complete sentences.

It's too bad it's not televised here, I'd watch Test matches, definitely, especially in this kind of dead period for American/Canadian sports played mostly in the US sports.
 
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