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(Some Guy)   Disney gets the Pooh knocked out of 'em   (sunspot.net) divider line 48
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15104 clicks; posted to Main » on 22 Feb 2003 at 7:53 AM (12 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2003-02-22 08:00:11 AM  
what about tigger's wood?


I got nuthin.
 
2003-02-22 08:03:46 AM  
? This should be or , IMHO. Disney sucks.
 
2003-02-22 08:04:22 AM  
spiffy or hero tag, thank you!
 
2003-02-22 08:04:59 AM  
Pooh people got no reason to live...

alex
 
2003-02-22 08:06:53 AM  
 
2003-02-22 08:08:45 AM  
Coca Cola did something something similar to this.
 
2003-02-22 08:10:59 AM  

Okay, seriously. I've been keeping track of this case, and this just gave me more ammunition for my "Disney Is EVIL!" campaign. When I was about 3 or 4, Mickey Mouse gave me nightmares. That freakishly high voice and the lame-ass "I'm so happy" bullshiite just rubs me WRONG.

Plus, Walt Disney was a utopian basket case with Nazi-like tendencies towards enforcing conformity. I'm just glad that he's not frozen in a vat, waiting for technology to revive his sorry ass.

And look what they've done to the family that owns Pooh - ripped 'em off, big time!

I can't help but wonder if Disney (or their record company subsidiaries) is involved in that monstrous RIAA's harrassment and intimidation of the music-buying public.

If so, and I think they are, we should raise a Million Mp3 March on their corporate HQ , and storm the place, World Bank meeting-style! We'll string ol' Mike Eisner up from a lamppost and use his ass for a pinata!

Weeeeeeeeeeeeee! That first jumbo espresso ROCKS!

 
2003-02-22 08:13:13 AM  
spiffy or hero tag, thank you!

Reaming out a souless corporate entity?

 
2003-02-22 08:51:47 AM  
I'm getting this image of people in Giant Disney character heads standing around a shredder with a box marked "incriminating evidence."


/Staev is having another psychotic episode. Back away slowly, do not make eye contact and above all do not try to feed or mate with him.
 
2003-02-22 08:53:35 AM  
DISNEY SUX0RS

The use DCMA to protect their Mickey thing, but claim their agreement with the Pooh people (heh) does not explicitly mention technology that was invented AFTER the agreement, so it's OK for them to make millions and pay no royalties.

Did I mention that Disney SUX?

Confusion to our Enemies!
 
2003-02-22 09:14:23 AM  
Disney became an evil empire after Walt died. When they started hiring more lawyers than animators, you knew something was wrong.
 
2003-02-22 09:19:05 AM  
"Sorry folks, parks closed for two weeks for cleaning and repair. Sor-reeeee! Heyuck heyuck."

Moose says your closed? I say you're open.
 
2003-02-22 09:31:32 AM  
I don't really like what I'm seeing from Disney lately. They have their fingers in so many pies, I think they need to be knocked down a peg or two. 200 mil is way too small. I'd like to have seen that mickey mouse copywright time out like it was supposed to. That would have been GREAT fun.
 
2003-02-22 09:31:40 AM  
Disney is the first company to extend their "copyrights" to near-endless terms thanks to the Sonny Bono copyright extension act. Let's not forget that "their stories" include things like Cinderalla, Snow White, The Little Mermaid, etc. They're the first company to scream about piracy and they want to control how YOU use your own computer and entertainment hardware and media. Let's take a moment and observe how they treat the people who supply them with their own entertainment ideas: by denying them hundreds of millions of dollars in royalties.

Thanks Disney (oh and phuck you too)!
CTP
 
2003-02-22 09:52:23 AM  
Disney's strategy seems to be "Keep this tangled up in court for as long as possible until the other side runs out of money and the problem goes away."

I'm glad a judge ordered $90k to be paid out to help the other sides legal fees.
 
2003-02-22 09:53:38 AM  
disney execs: "did you see what that crazy bastart agreed to?" They were tossed during a housecleaning after the executive's death, the company said. i began wondering about the motives (and morals) behind disney's actions when they created touchstone pictures to be able to cash in on stories that weren't up to their uber clean image but would generate money.
 
2003-02-22 10:13:34 AM  
"Oh bother", said Pooh, seeing a box of documents he forgot to shred.
 
2003-02-22 10:26:50 AM  
The California Supreme Court for the second time effectively has blocked an appeal by Disney to keep jurors from being told that the company destroyed boxes of evidence, including one labeled "Winnie the Pooh -- legal problems."
Yay! Disney should be responsible for all intellectual property they swiped. What's good for the mouse is good for the bear, isn't it? Feh. Now, if the supreme court would just hear out the case about Disney's 1,000-year copyright lockdown....
 
2003-02-22 11:14:18 AM  
A prize should be awarded to such a great headline.
 
2003-02-22 11:27:33 AM  
Disney must die.
 
2003-02-22 11:39:37 AM  
Disney totally blows goats since Walt passed away. That jackass Micheal Eisner needs to be strung from a tree by his ballsack and left for the buzzards. Greedy, greedy, slime bag.

Oh yeah, Disney is the chief asshole responsible for the DMCA, MPAA/RIAA mess, and the Sonny Bono (aka Mickey Mouse) unlimited copyright extension.

Boycott Disney.

"It's sad that a cartoon mouse enjoys more legal protection than the citizens of the US."
 
2003-02-22 11:57:13 AM  
If you wrapped Walt up in super-conducting wire and put a
couple of magnets outside his cryo chamber, the spinning could power Epcot.
 
2003-02-22 12:22:09 PM  
Try Harlan Ellison's experience with them.

The 3 Most Important Things in Life

Read the essay, from Stalking the Nightmare's
Scenes from the Real World: I.
 
2003-02-22 12:23:25 PM  
whoops Forgot the link

http://harlanellison.com/iwrite/mostimp.htm
 
2003-02-22 12:25:04 PM  
I sincerely hope that Disney is forced to pay out billions. The Disney corporation has destroyed everything that was simple, entertaining and delighful about Winnie the Pooh, turning it into a omnipresent merchandising juggernaut, beating you over the head senseless with "whimsy" and "charm".
 
2003-02-22 12:26:11 PM  
An SCTV bit comes to mind.

---------
CAMERA SHOT: EMPTY SKATING RINK, WHITE MIST COMING OFF THE ICE
 
2003-02-22 12:27:57 PM  
Damned tab key

-------------

V.O.: He's been cryogenically suspended for years, waiting for medical science to find a way to revive him. And now... it's your last chance to see.... Disney on Ice!!!

Coffin goes sliding across skating rink, spinning as it goes.


END
 
2003-02-22 12:33:52 PM  
Disney was never frozen, I dont know why that roumor still exists,
 
2003-02-22 12:35:10 PM  
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

It is highly entertaining to watch the Disney bastages and thier well deserved legal troubles.

Fark Disney. Their parks blow, and the "happy happy happy" bullshiat makes me want to vomit.
 
2003-02-22 12:37:35 PM  
Why doesnt Disney just drop the pooh line completely. The voice, look, music and everything that makes Pooh popular is all Disney. It soulds harsh but there simply wouldnt be the demand there is now if it werent for disneys treatment.

Drop it all, then wait ten or twenty years after its worthless and then buy it completely.

How exactly did these people become entitled to Pooh rights in the 50's anyway? AA Milne was Married to Dorthy Selincourt and had one son named Christopher. AA Milne died in 1958. His son married his cousin Leslie Selincourt and they had one daughter who is named Claire and has cerebal palsy. Claire had no children. My point is who in the heck are these people and how do they make their claim? Im usually anti corporate especially when Disney is involved but there may be more to this than meets the eye.
 
2003-02-22 12:45:08 PM  
Disney is the concentration camps of the U.S of A.

Click on the link below, and go to the category titled "Disney".

Very interesting information on Disney at that site.
 
2003-02-22 12:46:11 PM  
Disney
 
2003-02-22 01:02:47 PM  
I hate how they got rid of Mr. Toad's Wild Ride for that damn Winnie The Pooh Balloon Happy Sparkle Adventure.

I'm still bitter.
 
2003-02-22 02:10:23 PM  
Since Walt Disney passed away and Roy Disney was demoted to cleaning up the break room, Disney the company has been is responsible for:

* The Britney/Timberlake/Aguilera Mouseketeer Era

* The Ritalin sponsored atrocity that is now the Disney Channel

* The Jungle Book 2/Aladdin 5/Treasure Planet Straight To Video Era

* The ABC Bowl Championship Series and the pussyfication of ESPN

* As already pointed out, the higher ratio of lawyers to animators in the company

* Katzenburg/Eisner/Beezlebub leadership
 
2003-02-22 02:11:40 PM  
Oh yeah:

* PIXAR pwns Disney "The Emperor's Dumb Groove" Corp
 
2003-02-22 02:21:38 PM  
GojiraXP - I thought I was the only one who remembered that SCTV bit! Hence my FARK name!!!! LOL!!!!
 
2003-02-22 02:21:48 PM  
What's good for the goose...

Disney then revised its appeal to focus on the $90,000 penalty, arguing that it was "excessive and unwarranted" and that the entire ruling should be overturned.

But Fields trumped Disney, returning the $90,000 and thereby eliminating the basis of Disney's argument.
 
2003-02-22 02:24:40 PM  
Maveno - repost that link. I'd love to read it.
 
2003-02-22 02:45:39 PM  
Somewhere on the Net there is the story of how Disney ripped off the Lion King. I mean it wasn't even a good try to obscure the origins. The Japaneese animator who developed the movie (and TV show seen briefly in the states), did not sue because (1) he's Japaneese and (2) he considered Walt Disney to be his greatest influence. Even in death. The Simpsons riffed it in the Bleeding Gums Murphey death episode where a lion stands on a cloud and says "avenge me Simba, ah, I mean Kimba." There's also a good book by Carl Hiasson about the Disneyfication of Florida.
 
2003-02-22 03:03:08 PM  
DisneyOnIce: hehe, whats even wierder is I didn't see your post until after I posted that bit. Wish I could find it on video somewhere.
 
2003-02-22 04:20:35 PM  
A.A. Milne (as was mentioned in a previous Fark thread) signed over the merchandising rights to Slesinger, including a really ingeniously worded phrase that basically covered future technology. So any Pooh merchandise including VHS tapes, DVDs, etc, stuff that wasn't even a blip on the radar back then, is covered by this contract.

So Disney's farked, and farked well. But as we all know, when you don't want to do what you're legally bound to do, you call on lawyers.

It's a shame to see his 'vision' (Walt's) being ruined by Eisner and co. They could pay this family the 200 million and not even sweat it.
 
2003-02-22 05:29:59 PM  
God forbid you should use Micky's image. You would get eaten alive faster than a pack of hungry pirhanas.
 
2003-02-22 05:57:23 PM  
This is an amazingly involved story that goes straight back to A.A. Milne himself and his son (the model for Christopher Robin). I believe Vanity Fair had a huge piece on it a few months back. The widow and daughter of the gentleman that bought the merchandising rights from Milne himself in the 50's has been fighting this for ages. And Disney is a pack of prikks like you can't believe... Hope they get socked for as much as possible.
 
2003-02-22 06:41:31 PM  
*does a Nelson "ha-ha" at Disney* Stupid pricks thought that the legislation they bought would be a cash cow forever? No matter how far up the ladder you are, there is _always_ someone higher.
 
2003-02-22 06:51:39 PM  
I demand a Nelson. My day is not complete without his "HA HA".
 
2003-02-22 08:42:55 PM  
Disney suffers blow in Pooh case

they used blow and pooh in the same sentence. I like that headline.
 
2003-02-23 12:11:59 AM  
...the company destroyed boxes of evidence, including one labeled "Winnie the Pooh -- legal problems...
Disney will not be allowed to dispute that a late company executive promised the plaintiffs that they would be entitled to the royalties.

...responded Disney spokesman John Spelich, "...Mr. Fields well knows the court did not find that Disney willfully destroyed documents."


Talk about spin control! Emphasis on the word wilfully.
So, the court didn't have sufficient evidence to conclude that Disney was involved in an intentional coverup of damning evidence, merely that, as a matter of fact, they DID destroy the evidence.
Despite the court's call, doesn't one get a sense that Disney DID intentionally shred materials that tipped the scales in favour of the Slesingers?
Pooh has generated as much income for Disney as the rest of their cast combined.
Even this short article demonstrates the truly evil legal machinations Disney is employing in their attempt to (and ain't it obvious?) screw Pooh and friends.
Here's hoping Disney gets the Farking they so richly deserve.
In a just world, the next judge to hear Disney's application will rule the issues raised as being res judicata and order an award of costs which will severely and forever discourage their attempting to relitigate the same issues again and again until they get a favourable result.
 
2003-02-23 01:16:38 AM  
GimpRulez, Disney is indeed a member of the RIAA, but they're not one of the "Big 5." Those are Sony, Universal, BMG, EMI, and (surprise, surprise!) Warner Music. Disney did lobby for the DMCA, but was NOT solely responsible for its content--most of that blame lies with Jack Valenti of the MPAA. Read up on it sometime.

The book Staev mentioned by Carl Hiaasen is called "Team Rodent," and while far too short, is indeed very good.

Curious, Disney also bought the Miramax line. You may remember them as the guys who distributed "Reservoir Dogs" and "Pulp Fiction." And I don't find it a big deal. Every major studio has at least one animation division: MGM, Universal (DreamWorks), Fox, Sony, and Warner Brothers. Each also has divisions that produce more diverse content. Disney just diversified in reverse.

Am I a Disney apologist? Maybe in some respects. However, I hate most of the straight-to-video stuff they do as much as any lover of movies PLUS as much as any animation lover. I have no respect at all for Michael Eisner, who built too many resort hotels at Walt Disney World, but didn't build the infrastructure or technology around them enough. He's also managed to piss off Steve Jobs so badly that his Pixar company, home of some of the best animation of the last decade, is considering self-distributing after the release of the fifth Disney/Pixar film, "Finding Nemo," in May.

And I believe Disney is badly mishandling the whole Pooh issue. But so are the Slesingers.

Pheed, Disney does not claim sole ownership of the fairy tales they've adapted from public domain sources (e.g.: Snow White, Cinderella, The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, and Beauty and the Beast). They rightly claim ownership of their renditions of the characters. You'll notice that a schlock-animation company called "Goodtimes" extrudes straight-to-video ripoffs of those same stories at the same time Disney's versions hit theatres. Disney can't sue, because Goodtimes is always careful to avoid making their versions of the characters look too much like Disney's. (Good thing, too--Goodtimes' products BLOW.)

Clem's summary of the Milne-Slesinger connection is essentially correct, but leaves out the part about the Slesinger widow wanting to shop Pooh around to other studios like Universal. While this in and of itself may not be a Bad Thing, she's also been making noises about developing storylines about, for instance, "Rabbit [as] a single mother." No, no, no, no, no. I mean, she is--but the beauty of Pooh is that it is NOT topical in any way, shape or form. LOTS of rabbits are single mothers.

Zzeuss, Disney would not have been affected by the copyrights running out on Mickey Mouse's stories. The character himself is still trademarked. Trademarks can be renewed every ten years in perpetuity, as long as the owner is still using the marks.
 
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