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Yay! Another chance for the DECABET!

FTA:

"In 1975, the newly dominant Democratic Congress sent President Gerald Ford a bill that declared that America was going to be metric, which he signed. When Jimmy Carter became president two years later, he signed a law that told Americans that they couldn't drive faster than 55 mph.

These measures made perfect sense to the liberal sensibilities of the time. But they didn't make sense to the American people, and are symbols of a philosophy that was out of touch with the people in the 1970s and is still out of touch with the lives of most Americans today."

Sorry moron, that was January 2, 1974. Signed by President Richard Nixon (R).

The Dems will only be a majority until the mid-term elections.

wxboy: Holy Crap: I like the idea of oficially swiching to metric... but it'll fark with some things.

"I can see for miles kilometers!" just doesn't sound right to me.

Yes indeed. "8 Mile" is a much snappier title for a movie than "12.87 Kilometer".

And I would walk 804.672 kilometers
And I would walk 804.672 more

...Hrm, yes. I see.

404 posts and not one reference to the Smoot.

/leaves disappointed

Ryan2065: Eddie Adams from Torrance: You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in France?

A freedom burger?

haha

Hosebeatings: Babies with Rabies: "Overall: 80% Conservative, 20% Liberal"

That pretty much explains why you're such a repugnitard. It's because you're a repugnitard.

80% conservative =/= believing in magic. FAIL.

And really, "repugnitard?" What are you, four?

Correction: being conservative is even MORE unrealistic than believing in magic. You believe the entire world is 1950's Iowa, and that everyone else believes right along with you.

At least magic has a cultural precedent, dumbass.

Yes, you are in fact a "repugnitard".

You're just pissed because your guy got beat by a negro.

I would, on a personal and professional level, FARKING LOVE IT if we *finally* went metric.

You would never believe how many metric conversions go into a book about, oh, disassembling, re-assembling, and testing a jet aircraft. I waste hours on just verifying and including conversions.

Vangor: they will eventually grow weary of the newly dominant liberals who now run Washington.

Hey, f*ck stick. The population is growing weary of the frequent polarization by politicians and media portraying themselves as reporters such as yourself, which is why Republicans got ousted so utterly in the previous elections. This problem has nothing to do with Liberals or Conservatives specifically, but fairly well all of you are an utter waste to the people of the United States.

First let me start by saying I love the internets....it's your your sort obama lord of the ring tpye of nonsense that brings a smile to my day.

2nd. The democrats won a sweeping majority for the same reason the republicans won in 2000. They were dissatisfied with the current leadership; Clinton was coming off a host of scndles dating back to the 80's...but politics is lose-lose scenario. it's 6 of one; half a dozen of the other. They wanted republicans to restore integrity...

Republicans left us with a war, that isn't really a war in the traditional sense; there will be no surrender by the enemy. The housing bubble burst, and we still don't have osama.

In much the same way almost any republican was going to take the democratic candidate in 2000, any democrat was going to take down the republicans in 08.

The democrats will blow this...I guarantee it. People who run for office are a position of power...becuase they are seeking power. Given the opportunity between not taking more power and taking more power they will choose the later.

If they really wanted to stick it to republicans they'd be the most gracious winners imaginable. Do everything possible to include the republicans and their ideas. In the long run, they'd look 1,000 times better and gain continuous popularity. Instead they are doing the opposite, and are cramming things down republican's throat. They look just like the republicans did 4 years ago.

who lost not because they were bad senators, or because they had scandals, or because they had lost touch with constituents.

This is exactly why being Republican caused the loss. Inept, scandalous, and out-of-touch assuredly describes Republican politicians. The same is beginning to more obviously describe Democratic politics.

There are political scandals on both sides of the aisle. People just perceive that it's much worse when republicans do it. An Alaskan republican senator gets illegal gifts...OMG, WTF, impeach his ass...he needs to step down!!! A democrat is caught with $90,000 in brides in his freezer...ahh, let's see how this turns out, maybe there reasonable explanation. Haha, us Democrats have them fooled. We're really going to change America to the Klingon system. In all fields where measurement is important, we are using the metric system already. I don't really see the need for the government to make it official or anything though. I don't get it. The biggest reason NOT to go to the metric system (have to retool everything) is the biggest reason to switch! There would be a huge surge in jobs created by switching over the industry to a permanent and more global measuring standard. That's just what the economy needs. Because face it, no one using metric is going to suddenly go the British way. gm: Even NASA would have to reengineer all of their stuff. NASA has already wasted millions if not billions of dollars crashing space probes because of conversion mistakes when mixing metric and imperial units. They should have been 100% metric since the beginning. The fact is, this is typical short-term vs. long-term planning. If we all had indeed switched over years ago, it would have hurt for a short while and then everything would run smoother forever more. We'd already be ahead of where we are now. EvilEgg: Why the fear of the metric system? Other than it would cost a lot to remark roadsigns, etc. It makes work for sign-makers. Why do you hate the economy? herrhitmann: Do you have any idea how many hundreds of billions of dollars it will cost to retool everything into metric? ---------------------------- Very little. I'm an auto mechanic (okay, so I do specialize in European cars) and I own very few imperial unit tools. Even American cars have used metric fasteners since the early 1980s. That's just one example. In general, if it's something that we import, it's probably already made with metric specifications. The only industry I can think of that still uses imperial units almost exclusively is construction. Besides, any cost in tooling changes will soon be made up by increased efficiency caused by being able to change units merely by moving a dot instead of using sometimes complicated formulas. If I'm tightening a bolt, and find that a 12mm wrench is too small, I grab a 13mm wrench. If I were using imperial measurements, and found my 7/16 wrench to be too small, I'd need to step up to a 1/2" wrench. Yes, I know these offhand... but for more obscure sizes, it's a pain in the ass, and takes unnecessary time to think about it instead of merely counting up or down. reillan: Who controls the British crown? Who keeps the metric system down? We do! We do! Who leaves Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? We do! We do! Remove the Stone of Shame. Attach the Stone of Triumph! Goodfella: Haha, us Democrats have them fooled. We're really going to change America to the Klingon system. Q'Plah! Republicans think a metric penis is shorter. Greek: If I were using imperial measurements, and found my 7/16 wrench to be too small, I'd need to step up to a 1/2" wrench I don't know about you, but I would put the socket that was too small back in its place and grab the one next to it without even looking at the marking on the socket. Years ago there were math version of Webster's Spelling books and they covered fractions and not decimals. Teaching decimals before fractions wasn't common until the new math of the 60s and 70s. In an international world, international units rule. Metric is better anyway, base ten, duh. NittLion78: I'm fine with this for units of distance and weight, but I am NOT switching to Celcius. A 1 degree difference with Celcius is too large. I 100 percent agree with you on this one. Sortof like the Stone for weight in England. Good. The other day we were measuring wall paper, and my father was giving me measurements in inches. Drove me up the farking wall. Finally told him "pop, stop it, give it to me in CM". He did, I had area computed in moments. IT'S JUST MORE SIMPLE. Americans have this obsession with things being harder then they need to be. Hmmm.... Just think how many technical, instructional, operations, safety, and maintenance manuals would have to be rewritten. Even though industry tools have been mostly metric for years, all of our instructions to users say things like, "Flush with ten gallons of water," or "Drive thirty feet, then apply the brakes gradually." I think I'm going to hire a lobbyist.... I love these knobs who don't like celcius "because the increments are too large" but see no problem with Mph having larger increments than Kph. /Really, who the fark cares about 1 degree C when describing temperatures. Metric is superior in almost every way. I do like the 12 inches to a foot thing - divisible by 3! Hosebeatings: fireandashes36: People that drive crown victorias are douche bags. assholes. FTFY. You were close, though. I actually drive it because it's a decent-sized car with a proper V8 that'll push it up to 106 no problem, and has been used successfully as a high-speed ramming vehicle for quite some time with a pretty good safety record. It can also be repaired with a minimum of fuss, and spare parts are readily available. /it's also the P74 "might as well be a Grand Marquis" old man's model, not a retired P71 cop car. I am sure there are lots of positives about the car. It is still farked up to trick me into slowing down on the freeway. Whenever I measure something with a tape measure (woodworker/ amateur handyman), I HATE doing it in inches. If I want to be exact, I need to go as small as 1/32 of an inch. Pain in the arse. I end up just telling myself "One tiny tick mark past the medium length tick mark falling before the mid-way big tick mark past 56 inches" (not a very good woodworker/amateur handyman). Instead, it's just 143.3 cm. (Not doing it exactly, but you get the point). Then if you have to plug Imperial units into a calculator, calculators don't give results in 32nds of an inch. I have only one cheap 10' tape also marked also in cm, and I try to use it every time. i'll gladly switch to metric once we switch to the French Republican Calendar. I thought the headline was saying that we actually were switching to the metric system because of some recent vote. I was all ready to call people about it and measure a few shots in mL. /You lied to me. //Sniff DON.MAC: Greek: If I were using imperial measurements, and found my 7/16 wrench to be too small, I'd need to step up to a 1/2" wrench I don't know about you, but I would put the socket that was too small back in its place and grab the one next to it without even looking at the marking on the socket. Years ago there were math version of Webster's Spelling books and they covered fractions and not decimals. Teaching decimals before fractions wasn't common until the new math of the 60s and 70s. The old guy at the machine shop I used always called metric "slanty-eyed" measurement. Something to do with the Japanese. So, he would take all my drawings in metric and convert them to decimal inches (thousandths of an inch). It became very easy to tell him one millimeter was forty thousandths (.040"), and just leave it at that. Sybarite: raanne: omg - that would rule. /why dont we use the metric system again? I'm mad at the metric system for cheating me out of liquor. A fifth is supposed to be a fifth of a gallon (757 ml), but due to our bowing to the international metric overlords it has been standardized to 750 ml. By the time I've downed a fifth of whiskey, I'm 7 ml less drunk than I rightfully should be. This fireandashes36: Hosebeatings: fireandashes36: People that drive crown victorias are douche bags. assholes. FTFY. You were close, though. I actually drive it because it's a decent-sized car with a proper V8 that'll push it up to 106 no problem, and has been used successfully as a high-speed ramming vehicle for quite some time with a pretty good safety record. It can also be repaired with a minimum of fuss, and spare parts are readily available. /it's also the P74 "might as well be a Grand Marquis" old man's model, not a retired P71 cop car. I am sure there are lots of positives about the car. It is still farked up to trick me into slowing down on the freeway. You could try driving the speed limit, then it wouldn't matter. Tigger: I'm mad at the metric system for cheating me out of liquor. A fifth is supposed to be a fifth of a gallon (757 ml), but due to our bowing to the international metric overlords it has been standardized to 750 ml. By the time I've downed a fifth of whiskey, I'm 7 ml less drunk than I rightfully should be. I would like to see you drink a fifth of whiskey and then rant about this. Done with the 1st 750 of Grey Goose \it was a gift, ok? now workin' on 1.5 of Svedka \late to the party \\what else is new... Eddie Adams from Torrance: Adjective Bird Whiskey: The metric system? Kilograms would make us sound not as fat. Plus at 228 mm, my penis would sound huge. Ha, ha. That cheered me up. 228mm. Yeah, I believe you. Since I just got back from the lumber store, how the fark will we know what we're getting when a 2x4 is no longer 2 inches by 4 inches? /yes, I know Ed Willy: Knowing metric could have saved$327.6 million (new window)

This

but then again I'm drunk on 750 ml of Freedom Goose

then again if the UK is metric why is Top Gear using 0-60 in English?
\missed the episode

The only thing I don't really like in the metric system is temperature. It makes a heck of a lot more sense scientifically, but for everyday use, I prefer fahrenheit. When I want to know the temperature outside, the freezing and boiling points of water are utterly meaningless. On the other hand, our coldest day of the year is usually around 0F, and the hottest around 100F, so fahrenheit just seems to make more sense.

/Would surely get used to thinking in celsius if required
//sorry if this has been mentioned, DNRTFT

Wait, watch and see..... about the 1 yr mark of his 1st term, most of America will be asking the question: OMG! WTF Have we done?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

It's Jiminy Carter! The TAUPE version!

strathcona: Liberia, Myanmar, & the USA. You're in good company there as the last 3 non-metric using countries on the planet.

No worries. We still measure our nukes in metric. But you know what Canada shares in common with Liberia and Myanmar that the U.S. doesn't? Being irrelevant.

I wouldn't mind the U.S. switching to the metric system
if I were 3 years old or dead already but after 41 years
of dealing with inches, miles, pounds, etc., this is really
going to suck.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!

'I arst you civil enough, didn't I?' said the old man, straightening his shoulders pugnaciously. 'You telling me you ain't got a pint mug in the 'ole bleeding boozer?'

'And what in hell's name is a pint?' said the barman, leaning forward with the tips of his fingers on the counter.

'Ark at 'im! Calls 'isself a barman and don't know what a pint is! Why, a pint's the 'alf of a quart, and there's four quarts to the gallon. 'Ave to teach you the A, B, C next.'

'Never heard of 'em,' said the barman shortly. 'Litre and half litre - that's all we serve. There's the glasses on the shelf in front of you.'

'I likes a pint,' persisted the old man. 'You could 'a drawed me off a pint easy enough. We didn't 'ave these bleeding litres when I was a young man.'

'When you were a young man we were all living in the treetops,' said the barman, with a glance at the other customers.

There was a shout of laughter, and the uneasiness caused by Winston's entry seemed to disappear. The old man's whitestubbled face had flushed pink. He turned away, muttering to himself, and bumped into Winston. Winston caught him gently by the arm.

'May I offer you a drink?' he said.

'You're a gent,' said the other, straightening his shoulders again. He appeared not to have noticed Winston's blue overalls.

'Pint!' he added aggressively to the barman. 'Pint of wallop.'

The barman swished two half-litres of dark-brown beer into thick glasses which he had rinsed in a bucket under the counter. Beer was the only drink you could get in prole pubs. The proles were supposed not to drink gin, though in practice they could get hold of it easily enough. The game of darts was in full swing again, and the knot of men at the bar had begun talking about lottery tickets. Winston's presence was forgotten for a moment. There was a deal table under the window where he and the old man could talk without fear of being overheard. It was horribly dangerous, but at any rate there was no telescreen in the room, a point he had made sure of as soon as he came in.

''E could 'a drawed me off a pint,' grumbled the old man as he settled down behind a glass. 'A 'alf litre ain't enough. It don't satisfy. And a 'ole litre's too much. It starts my bladder running. Let alone the price.'

'You must have seen great changes since you were a young man,' said Winston tentatively.

The old man's pale blue eyes moved from the darts board to the bar, and from the bar to the door of the Gents, as though it were in the bar-room that he expected the changes to have occurred.

'The beer was better,' he said finally. 'And cheaper! When I was a young man, mild beer - wallop we used to call it - was fourpence a pint. That was before the war, of course.'

'Which war was that?' said Winston.

'It's all wars,' said the old man vaguely. He took up his glass, and his shoulders straightened again. ''Ere's wishing you the very best of 'ealth!'

Holy crap! He really IS whining about the metric system. AND he's fat.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in France?shiat on a shingle?

1.61803399: Since I just got back from the lumber store, how the fark will we know what we're getting when a 2x4 is no longer 2 inches by 4 inches?

/yes, I know

My house was built in 1827 and they didn't skimp then. A 2 x 4" was 2 x 4". The difference today is that my house is still standing after almost 200 years and the shiatboxes they are building today out of particle board and "2 x 4's" are falling down due to shoddy materials and crappy construction practices.

And they didn't "whinge", only the British do that.

colden46: The only thing I don't really like in the metric system is temperature. It makes a heck of a lot more sense scientifically, but for everyday use, I prefer fahrenheit. When I want to know the temperature outside, the freezing and boiling points of water are utterly meaningless. On the other hand, our coldest day of the year is usually around 0F, and the hottest around 100F, so fahrenheit just seems to make more sense.

/Would surely get used to thinking in celsius if required
//sorry if this has been mentioned, DNRTFT

0°F is the freezing point of salt water, and 100°F if the rectal temperature of a cow. Originally, it was the opposite.

And we were lucky to even get those points as a standard. The first thermometers had different scales for each one, since they were hand-made.

If people would just do some rough math, it would be easy. How about a rough chart?

-20C (-5F, really cold, road salt doesn't work) (-4F exact)
-10C is 15F (say 15 degrees, cold winter day, but not too bad) (14F)
0C is 32F (call it 30 degrees, freezing or mild winter day)
10C is 50F (mild spring day)
20C is 70F (room temperature) (68F exactly)
30C is 85F (warm summer day) (86F)
40C is 105F (hot summer day) (104F)
50C is 120F (summer day in Death Valley) (122F)

If people could stop trying to convert, and just connect degrees C to how it feels, we would be with the rest of the world.

fireandashes36: I am sure there are lots of positives about the car. It is still farked up to trick me into slowing down on the freeway.

Actually, they usually get out of my way rather than slow down. It used to work pretty well during the day too because I'm a big guy with short hair and the car looks like something a detective or Captain might drive (the car has that weird color-changing silver/gray/gold/beige paint Ford likes so much), but I had to change my shirts for work. Instead of black or dark blue t-shirts, I now wear striped polos so I don't even remotely look like a cop anymore even on a first glance.

The best was the first week I had it. I was coming home from school, and some guy was trying to make a left from the opposite side of an intersection where I was making a right. He took one look at the car and driver coming toward him, noticed a black panel where the front license plate should have been (it took a few weeks for the dealer to send me my plates), and locked 'em up in the middle of the intersection. Then he noticed I was just a random asshole and was less than amused.

The ones that slow down just piss me right off. I'd honestly prefer people speed up. Doing 80 on the freeway isn't going to kill you if you know how to drive.

ghare: You could try driving the speed limit, then it wouldn't matter.

Go fark yourself. Seriously. That's just crazy commie talk. Pretty sure it's blasphemous too.

I just checked. It IS blasphemy. To Disco with you!

/ordained minister

lol my mom listens to rush limbaugh and she says that jimmy carter tried to enact the metric system back in the 1970s and patriotic americans responded by shooting the new speed limit signs down, so you can say that it was a failure unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine millimeter bullet

ghare: fireandashes36: Hosebeatings: fireandashes36: People that drive crown victorias are douche bags. assholes.

FTFY. You were close, though.

I actually drive it because it's a decent-sized car with a proper V8 that'll push it up to 106 no problem, and has been used successfully as a high-speed ramming vehicle for quite some time with a pretty good safety record. It can also be repaired with a minimum of fuss, and spare parts are readily available.

/it's also the P74 "might as well be a Grand Marquis" old man's model, not a retired P71 cop car.

I am sure there are lots of positives about the car. It is still farked up to trick me into slowing down on the freeway.

You could try driving the speed limit, then it wouldn't matter.

I guess I could trade in my roadster and get a geo as well...

fireandashes36: I guess I could trade in my roadster and get a geo as well...

Hey, hey, hey, there's no need for such offensive language!

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