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(Daily Beast)   Ayatollah Hashemi Rafsanjani, the second most powerful man in Iran, is rounding up support to remove Ayatollah Ali Khamenei from power, likely as a way to force a runoff election between reformist candidate Mousavi and President Ahmadouchebag   (thedailybeast.com ) divider line
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2009-06-25 03:17:22 PM  
This should be interesting...
 
2009-06-25 03:20:00 PM  
This is worth reading. This is the guy who was on the Daily Show last night. A very good interview too.
 
2009-06-25 03:24:13 PM  
If Khamenei is removed from power, this is a possibility, but otherwise this is just wishful thinking, as Khamenei has already said that this is the will of Allah, that he's not going to back down, the same thing was said by the Guardian Council and the Supreme Court
 
2009-06-25 03:29:06 PM  
If Khameini was removed from power, even by force, wouldn't that be the will of Allah as well?

Isn't whatever happens, the freaking will of Allah?
 
2009-06-25 03:30:04 PM  
I believe it's reformist candidate Moushiathead
 
2009-06-25 03:34:14 PM  

PanicMan: This is worth reading. This is the guy who was on the Daily Show last night. A very good interview too.


And he mentioned nothing about this last night, so this must be pretty new information.
 
2009-06-25 03:40:42 PM  
Most powerful man in Iran

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2009-06-25 03:43:02 PM  

Tatsuma: If Khamenei is removed from power, this is a possibility, but otherwise this is just wishful thinking, as Khamenei has already said that this is the will of Allah, that he's not going to back down, the same thing was said by the Guardian Council and the Supreme Court


Well, the point of the article is that it IS a possibility. The only group that has any leverage over the Supreme Leader is the "Assembly of Experts" and the guy trying to make this happen heads that body.

This is a pretty promising development, really.
 
2009-06-25 03:52:44 PM  

Jaboobinator: Well, the point of the article is that it IS a possibility. The only group that has any leverage over the Supreme Leader is the "Assembly of Experts" and the guy trying to make this happen heads that body.

This is a pretty promising development, really.


If a corrupt government won't change its mind, change its head.
 
2009-06-25 03:56:56 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Isn't whatever happens, the freaking will of Allah?


Only if Allah wills it to be the will of Allah.
 
2009-06-25 03:58:31 PM  
The fact that the Assembly of Experts is even considering removing Khamenei as supreme leader shows how fractured the country's clerical leadership is. However, since Khamenei controls the police, the military, and the media, I'm not sure he would comply with any directive issued by the Assembly.
 
2009-06-25 04:01:41 PM  

Jaboobinator: Well, the point of the article is that it IS a possibility. The only group that has any leverage over the Supreme Leader is the "Assembly of Experts" and the guy trying to make this happen heads that body.

This is a pretty promising development, really.


I give it about 50/50 odds. Because, while Rafsanjani is a powerful figure, he is not a widely popular figure. Unless the rest of the leaders of the revolution he had all of his children go to business schools instead of religious schools. Because of this the perceived "greed" (read: success) of his children reflects poorly upon himself.
 
2009-06-25 04:06:34 PM  

valloned: The fact that the Assembly of Experts is even considering removing Khamenei as supreme leader shows how fractured the country's clerical leadership is. However, since Khamenei controls the police, the military, and the media, I'm not sure he would comply with any directive issued by the Assembly.


The military is still the wild card. If they start taking sides, this shiat will get real.
 
2009-06-25 04:13:15 PM  
PanicMan:
The military is still the wild card. If they start taking sides, this shiat will get real.

I've read a few reports that some high ranking IRG officers had been removed from their positions, allegedly for failing to follow orders, so there may be some cracks forming, but from what I understand the IRG is stacked with Khamenei loyalists, so it's hard to envision a widespread revolt.
 
2009-06-25 04:15:34 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Isn't whatever happens, the freaking will of Allah?


That's the beauty of religion.
 
2009-06-25 04:18:42 PM  
But will Allah will it to be the will of Allah?
 
2009-06-25 04:30:52 PM  

gorly: But will Allah will it to be the will of Allah?


Only if Allah wills Khamenei to indicate that Allah wills it so.
 
2009-06-25 04:32:35 PM  

BooBoo23: Only if Allah wills Khamenei to indicate that Allah wills it so.


And if Allah doesn't will it, that, too, is the will of Allah. Will Khamenei accept Allah's will or will he will otherwise?
 
2009-06-25 04:34:09 PM  

PanicMan: This is worth reading. This is the guy who was on the Daily Show last night. A very good interview too.


Too bad the time they usually run TDS again (7am) had some shiatty comedy movie on instead this morning, so I didn't see it.

/will have to watch it online when I get home
//having a link handy would be helpful if someone can link to the episode, pleaseandthankyou
 
2009-06-25 05:03:31 PM  
And I'm sure the new Supreme Leader and President will be much better in 1, 5, 10 years...
 
2009-06-25 05:05:02 PM  
I hope Obama can keep up with all this, so he knows who to send those secret letters to next time.
 
2009-06-25 05:07:56 PM  
Green already? We're not even up to 100 comments yet!
 
2009-06-25 05:10:47 PM  

Vanetia: Green already? We're not even up to 100 comments yet!


Light green. we've got a couple hours yet.
 
2009-06-25 05:12:06 PM  
So...this going to be our new discussion thread?
 
2009-06-25 05:16:25 PM  

lunchinlewis: I hope Obama can keep up with all this, so he knows who to send those secret letters to next time.


Zombie Reagan would like to have a word with you.
 
2009-06-25 05:16:44 PM  
Dammit, stuff always goes down when im out living my life. Whats the latest? the CNN crawl said something about a ku?
 
2009-06-25 05:16:49 PM  
To continue spewing info about the Red Cross/Red Crescent...

I posted this in the Wednesday Bloody Wednesday thread too, but I'm sure it vanished into the noise.

Captain_Impavid asked me yesterday about giving blood to Iran. I called around, and once again my local chapter of the Red Cross was the most informative. The director, Karen Schultz, let me know that while blood donations can be circulated around the United States in times of dire need, these donations never leave the country. For blood to reach Iran, it has to come from Iran... or possibly surrounding countries in times of utter crisis.

I also asked about communications with Iran. Ms. Schultz did not know about any direct contact with Iran Red Crescent. Apparently there is very little talk of Iran within the RC right now, since there is as yet no official appeal for aid.

I have left messages with the International Red Cross and Red Crescent HQ in Washington, and I hope to hear back soon. I'm asking about the lines of communication between HQ and RC Iran, if there has been any direct contact, if the Iranian Governments is putting pressure on the human rights workers, etc. and blah blah.

I think the best way to get solid information right now is to call the Iranian Red Crescent directly... unfortunately, I don't speak Farsi. If I can reach my Persian friend, I'll try to get him to make the call.

Does anyone here speak Farsi? Can I talk you into calling up Tehran?

I posted all of the information I have night now, plus all the steps I've taken and what I'm trying to do now, in one spot if anyone is interested. I would love it if someone took the groundwork I did and used it to get the information we really need - sound info from Iran's Red Crescent would be ideal. You can see this stuff at http://tinyurl.com/m2ghxd
 
2009-06-25 05:19:19 PM  
Blogging in Iran -

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2009-06-25 05:19:37 PM  

Diogenes: Zombie Reagan would like to have a word with you.


Come and join us in the here-and-now. It's much more interesting.
 
2009-06-25 05:20:08 PM  
Recount -

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2009-06-25 05:20:56 PM  
Iranian reaction -

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2009-06-25 05:23:07 PM  
Don't know if a revote would actually work anyway, the powers that be could always rig it again.
 
2009-06-25 05:23:40 PM  

Last One Left: BooBoo23: Only if Allah wills Khamenei to indicate that Allah wills it so.

And if Allah doesn't will it, that, too, is the will of Allah. Will Khamenei accept Allah's will or will he will otherwise?

Inshallah.

 
2009-06-25 05:24:49 PM  
Actually Rafsanjani might be the most powerful man in Iran if you look at actual influence and go beyond what's on paper as far as official positions go. And he really, really, doesn't like Ahmaswitchtogeico. Not a big fan of Khamenei either. If just because Rafsanjani earned the title of ayatollah, while Khamenei was given it as part of becoming supreme leader. The position previously only being open to those who'd earned the title first.
 
2009-06-25 05:27:19 PM  
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2009-06-25 05:37:24 PM  
Interesting, apparently Rafsanjani and his associates were our contacts in Iran during the Iran-Contra affair. He later got spooked by a magazine report and then blew the operation to save his own ass.

Argentina has a warrant out for his arrest for the 1994 bombing of Buenos Aires' Jewish Centre (although his only connection might be that he was President at the time).
 
2009-06-25 05:39:35 PM  

elchip: Argentina has a warrant out for his arrest for the 1994 bombing of Buenos Aires' Jewish Centre (although his only connection might be that he was President at the time).


talk about some bad background checks, how the hell does an Iranian Mullah get to be president of a jewish centre in Argentina?
 
2009-06-25 05:40:17 PM  

Crocodilly_Pontifex: talk about some bad background checks, how the hell does an Iranian Mullah get to be president of a jewish centre in Argentina?


derp derp derp
 
2009-06-25 05:42:18 PM  

Crocodilly_Pontifex: talk about some bad background checks, how the hell does an Iranian Mullah get to be president of a jewish centre in Argentina?


They have to really concentrate on the goal.He was dedicated too, I heard he camped outside of the centre until they gave him a job, and a shower.
 
2009-06-25 05:42:55 PM  
Not gonna happen.
 
2009-06-25 05:43:06 PM  
Those of you wondering why there's been little/no information out of Iran (aside from the gov't), it appears that they've taken the "f*ck it, bring me a hatchet" method of cutting off internet connections.
 
2009-06-25 05:43:31 PM  

Crocodilly_Pontifex: talk about some bad background checks, how the hell does an Iranian Mullah get to be president of a jewish centre in Argentina?


He ran against an ex-Nazi.
 
2009-06-25 05:47:46 PM  

netweavr: Those of you wondering why there's been little/no information out of Iran (aside from the gov't), it appears that they've taken the "f*ck it, bring me a hatchet" method of cutting off internet connections.


Well, there was also the speculation that it might be related to whyweprotest.net going down yesterday. I think it's just because they are cracking down hard.
 
2009-06-25 06:01:50 PM  
So, one candidate vetted by the Supreme Leader may get replaced by another candidate vetted by the Supreme Leader?
 
2009-06-25 07:14:11 PM  
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2009-06-25 07:14:13 PM  
Is youtube beyond removing graphic Iran protest vids yet? If not, where can one host such a video?
 
2009-06-25 07:20:19 PM  

HappyTimeHarry: Is youtube beyond removing graphic Iran protest vids yet? If not, where can one host such a video?


They have citizentube setup. http://www.citizentube.com/
 
2009-06-25 07:23:07 PM  
10 min. vid says from yesterday in Baharestan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD13WNKNGQk
 
2009-06-25 07:24:10 PM  
I wouldn't have guessed that it would have gone this far if the article is true. If so, I underestimated the gravity of these protests. I didn't think there was a realistic chance for change.
 
2009-06-25 07:27:19 PM  
A run off vote using the same election process as what is in place will not help resolve this. As long as the election oversight remains the same, there will be election fraud.

I think Iranians do not trust the process that is in place AT ALL by this point. This may be an interim attempt at a solution; it may even happen - but this problem will not be resolved by it and they will continue to have unrest through every election cycle until it is changed or a permanent dictatorship is installed.
 
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