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(Daily Mail)   Mother of kid who police refers to as "one-boy wave of terror" says he just got a bit of "Oppositional Defiant Disorder"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 249
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2009-06-25 09:37:09 AM
scarchin: another girl: I'm a therapist who works with kids with ODD, so I'm really getting a kick, etc...

Most of the work I end up doing is on parenting skills. I'm just sayin'.

Exactly!
I'm sick of sitting around a table with a bunch of teachers, the kid, and his parents and talking around the issue.
A lot of the time the parents a clearly whackjobs - usually involved in a bitter divorce or alcohol/drugs or BOTH - and everyone's pretending not to notice.We then all decide what the TEACHERS are going to do differently.
EPIC FAIL - rinse, repeat year after year


I end up meeting with teachers pretty often as well. I have nothing but sympathy for them. I can't imagine trying to manage my precious snowflake clients with a classroom of 25 other kids also needing attention. I have nothing but respect for teachers. I could never do that job.
 
2009-06-25 09:39:22 AM
My nephew was diagnosed with ODD. His mother was moping about due to her son being diagnose with yet another disorder (ODD, ADHD, autism...all the favorites).

I told her i could cure him of his ODD, but she couldn't hold the cure against me. I assured her that I would not hurt him. She said OK.

The next time he riled up, I caught him by the arm, spun him around and read him the Riot Act like a marine drill instructor. Part of my speech was telling him that he was going to come live with me for a week and that, unlike his mother, I WOULD beat his ass into hamburger.

He tried to jerk his arm out of my grip, so I started taking off my belt (with no intention of using it). I got in his face again and said "do you really want to test me on this?"

He ran crying to his mother and behaved himself the rest of the day. For a while, all she had to do to keep him in line was threaten to call Uncle Dave. That was two years ago. He's quite the little gentleman now. Oh, he has flare ups from time to time, but nothing that his mother can't handle on her own.
 
2009-06-25 09:40:33 AM
Character traits are not disorders.

Beat the little bastard more.
 
2009-06-25 09:40:36 AM
Veeoh: amanogowa: So we have yet another 'disorder' to describe 'being young'? Great, just what we need, another excuse why your little snowflakes cannot be held responsible for their actions.

oh rly?

Setting fires and the other shiat this div does is not something normal "young" people do my friend. This fella is leagues beyond being normal.

Thanks for the comment though.


You seem to misunderstand.

This kid is a delinquent. Nothing more. He is a delinquent because mommy listened to some moron about all the disorders he might have or might get and raised a little shiat.

The fact that his mother is using it as an excuse not to punish him just proves my point.
 
2009-06-25 09:42:16 AM
It is call boot camp, he needs it now.
 
2009-06-25 09:43:51 AM
tuxedobob: Damn Farkers must be blind...

He tends to sleep for only two hours a night and has tablets to sedate him in the evening.

I'm all for calling someone a failure too, but two hours a night? That's not normal. Without the tablets, would he simply never sleep?


Insomnia isn't an excuse.

I become a tired, irritable, hateful asshole when I can't sleep after a night or two of trying.

I don't go out lighting fires and stealing fking cars.
 
2009-06-25 09:47:35 AM
GCU-Arbitrary: ElPresidente: Beating is not always the answer. I have a much more obvious way - stop rewarding bad behaviour, and let them punish themselves. Example:

My son tried his first temper tantrum at age three. Wouldn't take his nap, even though he was exhausted. My wife tried to get him to do it, but he screamed and screamed until they were both angry and upset. She came downstairs, and upstairs I went to take over.

Son: SCREAM!!!

Me: OK, you have a choice. You can either take a nap, or this toy (picking up one at random, but in reality one that should have been thrown away anyway) goes into the trash can forever. It's all your choice. What will it be?
...


The only problem will be that now when he grows up he will have a huge collection of Star Wars (tm) action figures.
 
2009-06-25 09:53:49 AM
ElPresidente: aagrajag: ElPresidente's technique is the favourite of a friend of mine, and it seems to be highly effective. No beatings necessary.

I might just add at this point that my son's now 18 and going to college. He's a great kid, never in trouble with anyone, not on drugs, and loves and respects us (as we do him) because it's been earned, not bought. And no beatings were ever inflicted.


ya i'm going to go ahead and call shenanigans on that

/unless you've been submitting him to random drug testing?
 
2009-06-25 09:55:08 AM
LavenderWolf: tuxedobob: Damn Farkers must be blind...

He tends to sleep for only two hours a night and has tablets to sedate him in the evening.

I'm all for calling someone a failure too, but two hours a night? That's not normal. Without the tablets, would he simply never sleep?

Insomnia isn't an excuse.

I become a tired, irritable, hateful asshole when I can't sleep after a night or two of trying.

I don't go out lighting fires and stealing fking cars.


I read that as "Lightning fires and stealing flying cars" and imagined a sleek red aerial jaguar with a lightning cannon from UT zooming around laying waste to a quiet suburban neighborhood while the residents milled about in their nightclothes shrieking in dismay and falling over, on fire.

Coffee's too strong this morning.
 
2009-06-25 09:59:14 AM
Cerebral Ballsy: justbob2000: BEAT HIS LITTLE ASS! If he so much as says one word BEAT IT AGAIN!

WTF is wrong with parents nowdays?

I personally know a kid who is ODD. I have spent time alone with him. Putting it simple terms, he completely lacks a conscience, although he has a (often misguided) desire to have one.

He really cannot tell the difference between right and wrong.

For all of you wondering what is wrong with his parents: hos mother was a drug addict and often left him lying alone in abonded buildins then came back when her benders were over. His normal father gained custody when the child was 6. But there's a lot of deap-seated issues that have developed since then.


Where is this child incarcerated? For his, and everyone else's safety, he needs locked up.
 
2009-06-25 10:03:35 AM
Veeoh: StaleCoffee:
I tried that with my oldest. Worked about as well as a lead boat with a hole in the bottom.

Got fed up and smacked him on the ass after years of consistently failing with these methods. Not hard, not hurt, but he was damned pissed and humiliated. Then after 3 minutes he talked to me, apologized and tried to avoid the tantruming. Don't have to swat him anymore. Boy will communicate with me, and understands I am the parent and in charge, even if I am his buddy.

His younger brother, that doesn't work. Of all things, time outs work. /shrug

Different things for different kids. I wholly advocate alternatives to corporal punishment but in some cases it's just not going to work. What works for your kid doesn't mean it's going to work for another, and it doesn't make you a better parent than someone who has a rougher time keeping their kid disciplined.

Kid from TFA needs to be shipped off to a delinquency facility. Doesn't matter if he does have a legitimate disorder, once he became a danger to others it's no longer reasonable to go soft.

This. Sensible post.


So much this. Just want to reiterate that smacking behinds is not supposed to hurt the kid, its just supposed to grab their undivided attention. A hard strike actually does the exact opposite of the parents intent, as the kid is now conentrating on the pain and not the action / consequence association.
Know what did it for me? The sound. SMACK. As a kid, I had numerous "beatings," but only one or two where I was actually struck. The majority of the time the parents just got a leather belt and cracked it like a coachwhip, and very calmly explained that holy hell was about to be unleashed if I ever did that again. Boy did I ever pay attention. My sisters, OTOH, werent phased much by the belt, so they were subject to the toy in the trash can method. In other words, find what works and do that.
 
2009-06-25 10:04:19 AM
My son has O.C.D,Autism and A.D.H.D and while he is an incredible handful,he has not and will never be anything like the levl of boy in this report.

Backhand solves all of those problems.
 
2009-06-25 10:04:41 AM
Ahhhh ODD!!!
Another farking imaginary ailment created so parents don't have to accept responsibility for their children's upbringing.
 
2009-06-25 10:07:03 AM
Being an older brother of a (22year old) "child" with ODD I can honestly say this is NOT a syndrome or a disease. It's a condition of terrible parenting and a terrible family environment. At least for my brother an "A$$-whoppin" didn't do anything.

My parents divorced, my mom remarried got pregnant with him, divorced and got back with my dad and they remarried. So he had a screwed up situation before he was even born.

My dad was always working and by brother wasn't really his so he really didn't receive much discipline. He also learned pretty quickly that he could get his way with anything as long as he kept annoying my parents until they gave in.

So where I was raised to respect my parents and be responsible, had chores etc he was raised that he could push my parents around to get his way and there were no consequences in his actions only rewards.

As a result, when I was 20 I bought my first house, when he was 20 he was in prison. He's never held a job for more than a couple of days and still lives at home where he terrorizes my parents (even broke my mom's arm once). Had drug dealers break into their house and steal/vandalize their stuff etc. They won't kick him out or put a restraining order on him because "where's he gonna go??".

Human conditioning.
 
2009-06-25 10:08:00 AM
A kid in my daughter's special ed class is ODD. Poor little guy really does benefit from medication. He hardly sleeps, doesn't listen, and has temper tantrums from hell. His mom says finding the right meds gave her back her sweet little boy. Before meeting them I would have thought ODD was a BS diagnosis; however, having one kid with Asperger's and the other with PDD-NOS has certainly called my attention to just how ignorant I am about kids and the myriad of things that can go screwy with them.
 
2009-06-25 10:11:40 AM
afisher99: Bringing McDonald's (or whatever other smelly fast food was available) onto an enclosed plane (I fly twice a week)? That's an ASBO.farking A.

I also fly twice a week. I do not get air-sick, but the smell of that nasty ass food people bring onto airplanes is enough to make me want to puke all over them. Especially on the flights home, when I've been up working since 4 am, I'm completely exhausted, and all I can think about is that my commute home is going to take six hours and involve being trapped next to someone's BO and and a screaming kid.
 
2009-06-25 10:18:24 AM
Jerry?
 
2009-06-25 10:26:14 AM
Durendal: THIS. Has she not tried smacking the little asshole around until he shapes the hell up? You seem to have exhausted every other avenue, lady. It's not like it's gonna make things any worse at this point. The little shiat has to learn to obey the rules at some goddamned point. If it takes a good pounding to get that point across, so be it!

Every kid needs something different, and sometimes what they need changes from time to time. Some will respond to reason. Some respond to privileges being removed. Some respond to punitive labor. Don't tell me there aren't kids who, at that time in their life and development, really need a sore bottom to get them to understand that they can't grow up to be an asshole.

It may be the difference between a well adjusted adult and a douchebag that doesn't get punched out every day only because other people were raised well.
 
2009-06-25 10:28:54 AM
Personally, I'd rather be down wit' OPP.
 
2009-06-25 10:31:45 AM
GCU-Arbitrary: ElPresidente: Beating is not always the answer. I have a much more obvious way - stop rewarding bad behaviour, and let them punish themselves. Example:

My son tried his first temper tantrum at age three. Wouldn't take his nap, even though he was exhausted. My wife tried to get him to do it, but he screamed and screamed until they were both angry and upset. She came downstairs, and upstairs I went to take over.

Son: SCREAM!!!

Me: OK, you have a choice. You can either take a nap, or this toy (picking up one at random, but in reality one that should have been thrown away anyway) goes into the trash can forever. It's all your choice. What will it be?

Son: SCREAM!!!

Me: OK. (Toy goes into bin.) That's your choice!

Son: DOUBLE SCREAM!!!

Me: Don't yell at me, that was your choice. OK, now you have another choice. You can either take a nap, or another toy goes into the trash can forever. It's your choice. What will it be?

Son: SCREAM!!!

Me: OK. (Another toy goes into bin.) That's your choice!

Son: TRIPLE SCREAM!!!

Me: Like I said, it was your choice. OK, you have another choice. You can either take a nap, or yet another toy goes into the trash can forever. It's your choice. What will it be?

Son goes to sleep for two hours, never repeats episode again. And yes, the toys did get thrown away forever. But he learned that his actions, both good and bad, had consequences. That's what this brat needed from the start.


This. Worked just fine on me as a kid, works like a charm on my kids as well. Deleting favourite shows from the DVR is very effective as well, and is slightly more cost-efficient.

Doesn't take the loss of too many favourite toys/shows before they start to behave.


I totally agree, with my 6 year old all it took was taking away his Planet Earth DVD set for a day, and now all I have to do is threaten to do it again and he shapes up.

It really sounds to me like this mother just never disciplined her precious snowflake (to use a term I have learned here) when it was time to do so, and now he's out of control.
 
2009-06-25 10:33:09 AM
ill tell you what he has

a case of teh uglies

/nice tat mom
 
2009-06-25 10:34:48 AM
Fluorescent Testicle: Claiming that every single juvenile reprobate has some made-up disorder or another cheapens the problems faced by people who suffer from real disorders. This kid doesn't need a psychiatrist, he needs a belting and a replacement parent.

WIN
 
2009-06-25 10:34:58 AM
We have a 17 year old that is going on 11. His mother buys into the ADHD he was diagnosed with when he was 12, and has been shoving pills down his throat ever since.

He recently dropped out of school, hangs out with the wrong crowd, refuses to accept responsibility for his actions, won't contribute, constanly back talks and argues, and was recently brought home by the cops at 4am because of the weed in his pocket (not to mention being a minor out at that time of night, while his poor mother thought he was home in bed, safe and sound).

We gave him enough rope to hang himself (so to speak) and this past weekend was the last straw for me. Obviously, I can't discipline him, but I can do what I need to do to make my house liveable and safe.

His mother (finally) took his cell phone away (consequences of his actions), and I'm probably going to sell my Xbox that brings him so much joy.

Last night, the sneaking around and plotting started again, so I mandated the 10pm bedtime.

For the second night in the last four days, a strange car pulled up in front of my house at 11pm. Being that I knew this was going to happen, I took a picture of it with a camera that has a really bright flashbulb. Of course, it took off.

Since I knew I wasn't going to get any sleep (again), I grabbed my 6 iron and went downstairs to guard the front door.

About 5 minutes later, he comes stumbling down the stairs and greets me with a very shocked WTF??

His mother comes out of our room and says to me, "What are you doing?" really loudly to me, so I respond really loudly to her, "Who are you talking to?", so she says, "You", and I say, "I'm sitting on my couch, it's my house, I have the right".

He fumbles about with some excuse for something or other, then starts playing video games (asks me if I want to play, like nothing is going on, unhuh).

We sat there silently (except for the game, and my farking) for a good hour or so, then I went back upstairs to man the camera again.

His mother couldn't sleep, so she went to sleep in his sister's room, where she could keep a better eye on him in my opinion.

Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

Because these items are expensive, and we are in a recession, this means that we will have no food in the house this month.

He firmly believes that what he is doing is not affecting anyone else in the house.

I'm waiting to see how he feels about things when we only feed his little sister for the next month or two or three.

I'm also going to make friendly with the PD tonight, let them know I'm on their side, and ready to help anyway I can.

4 months from now, I'm praying, when he turns 18, that he does the right thing, and kicks his own ass out, so he can finally understand that nothing is free, and we all need to take responsibilities, even if we don't want them.

His mother is trying to talk him out of joining the military, which I don't agree with being a military man myself.

I lost plenty of sleep in the military, so this is old hat to me, and I know based on his refusal to talk to me, or more importantly, apologize, that he has a weak mind, and will crack first.

I never thought I'd turn into a "get of my lawn" old man, but as usual, I'm getting a much different perspective on life based on my own experiences.

Next is the police scanner is going to take the place of the plasma TV as the family entertainment. We'll save lots of money with no HBO to pay for. If I could figure out how to keep the fridge cold, I would shut off and lock out the main power feed every night at 10, but then no porch light, so I guess I can't do that.

I'm probably going to sell my couch and comfy chair too. If I'm going to be uncomfortable in my own house, everyone is going to be uncomforable.

Maybe I could shut the gas feed off too, no more hot showers. I've taken a few cold showers while in the field, they don't hurt much.

I told his mother to stop doing his laundry, we'll see if she complies.

No more soda pop, gatorade, or lemonade, is just plain water from now on.

No more rides to whatever, I can't afford the gas what with these prices and all, I can barely get to work and back.

No more meals out, no more movies, no more family vacations, nope, we're just going to do what we need to do to survive.

No more cookouts, gotta sell the brand new grill.

Apparantly, street cred is important, so I'm selling the 3BDRM house in the suburbs so we can all live in a smelly 2BDRM apartment in town. Wonder who'll have to sleep on the floor?

It's ramen noodles and tuna fish from here on out. Yessir, what a wonderful time we'll have, just keeping each other company, and talking about the last book we read. I can't wait.
 
2009-06-25 10:43:47 AM
AbbeySomeone: I'm tired of all these so called disorders being used as a feeble excuse for shiatty parenting and out of control kids. If the kids are a menace to society, they should be isolated and dealt with appropriately.
There was a girl in my daughters preschool that would randomly bite other children. When I requested that she be kept away from my daughter, her mother told me I lacked compassion for her issues.
Yeah!


Well, I am sure this is not going to be a popular opinion hereabouts, but on a similar subject. My youngest son who is now 4 had a few issues where a different boy at preschool would hit him or try to bite him. My son is a rough houser, but also pretty good at following rules, so he listened to the sheep-inducing doctrine of no hitting others etc. After talking with the school three times, and the other parent, I told my son if that kid hit or bit him again to hit him back as hard as he could, a few times. It worked, my son cleaned that little kids clock, kid cried his eyes out both sets of parents had a conference, and the brat never bothers my son again. I maintained during the discussion that we had followed their protocol as long as safely possible, and if they were nto willing to ensure my son would notbe hit by the other child my son would. They've since taken better steps to isolate the other kid, and my son still gets to play with his friends he loves and learn from the teacher he adores.
 
2009-06-25 10:44:49 AM
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2009-06-25 10:44:51 AM
kevljo: Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

They make combo units pretty cheap these days. Friend has one that takes pictures/video when the light comes on, and saves them to USB/Flash cards.

Holds a *lot* of footage, and takes good enough pictures that the police made an arrest and got his car back....
 
2009-06-25 10:45:42 AM
amanogowa: kevljo: Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

They make combo units pretty cheap these days. Friend has one that takes pictures/video when the light comes on, and saves them to USB/Flash cards.

Holds a *lot* of footage, and takes good enough pictures that the police made an arrest and got his car back....


Vendor please?
 
2009-06-25 10:49:40 AM
Magnir: AbbeySomeone: I'm tired of all these so called disorders being used as a feeble excuse for shiatty parenting and out of control kids. If the kids are a menace to society, they should be isolated and dealt with appropriately.
There was a girl in my daughters preschool that would randomly bite other children. When I requested that she be kept away from my daughter, her mother told me I lacked compassion for her issues.
Yeah!

Well, I am sure this is not going to be a popular opinion hereabouts, but on a similar subject. My youngest son who is now 4 had a few issues where a different boy at preschool would hit him or try to bite him. My son is a rough houser, but also pretty good at following rules, so he listened to the sheep-inducing doctrine of no hitting others etc. After talking with the school three times, and the other parent, I told my son if that kid hit or bit him again to hit him back as hard as he could, a few times. It worked, my son cleaned that little kids clock, kid cried his eyes out both sets of parents had a conference, and the brat never bothers my son again. I maintained during the discussion that we had followed their protocol as long as safely possible, and if they were nto willing to ensure my son would notbe hit by the other child my son would. They've since taken better steps to isolate the other kid, and my son still gets to play with his friends he loves and learn from the teacher he adores.


That's the way it should work. Self defense is a last resort -- but it is still a legitimate action. Always.

The times I got in trouble for fighting as a kid, my dad's questions were always: Who started it, and assuming it was not me, did you teach him not to do that to you again?

I didn't get in fights often (only 2 memorable times) but I was always taught that if I was attacked, I was supposed to defend myself.
 
2009-06-25 10:50:45 AM
kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

They make combo units pretty cheap these days. Friend has one that takes pictures/video when the light comes on, and saves them to USB/Flash cards.

Holds a *lot* of footage, and takes good enough pictures that the police made an arrest and got his car back....

Vendor please?


I will see if I can find it out. Ia m not sure off the top of my head. He said it was from Menards, and only cost $75 or so -- which is better than $40 for the motion light, and then another $75 for the camera + hookups.
 
2009-06-25 10:53:04 AM
gothelder: Pathman: Not that I don't appreciate the parenting skillz of a man who gives his girlfriend's transgendered child an "ass whoopin" for "getting into his stuff"

I see the disconnect here, you are retarded. Thanks for playing.


yeah, so you said. I can't say I blame you for coming to the most logical conclusion...
asshat
 
2009-06-25 10:54:04 AM
amanogowa: Magnir: AbbeySomeone: I'm tired of all these so called disorders being used as a feeble excuse for shiatty parenting and out of control kids. If the kids are a menace to society, they should be isolated and dealt with appropriately.
There was a girl in my daughters preschool that would randomly bite other children. When I requested that she be kept away from my daughter, her mother told me I lacked compassion for her issues.
Yeah!

Well, I am sure this is not going to be a popular opinion hereabouts, but on a similar subject. My youngest son who is now 4 had a few issues where a different boy at preschool would hit him or try to bite him. My son is a rough houser, but also pretty good at following rules, so he listened to the sheep-inducing doctrine of no hitting others etc. After talking with the school three times, and the other parent, I told my son if that kid hit or bit him again to hit him back as hard as he could, a few times. It worked, my son cleaned that little kids clock, kid cried his eyes out both sets of parents had a conference, and the brat never bothers my son again. I maintained during the discussion that we had followed their protocol as long as safely possible, and if they were nto willing to ensure my son would notbe hit by the other child my son would. They've since taken better steps to isolate the other kid, and my son still gets to play with his friends he loves and learn from the teacher he adores.

That's the way it should work. Self defense is a last resort -- but it is still a legitimate action. Always.

The times I got in trouble for fighting as a kid, my dad's questions were always: Who started it, and assuming it was not me, did you teach him not to do that to you again?

I didn't get in fights often (only 2 memorable times) but I was always taught that if I was attacked, I was supposed to defend myself.


Exactly, and I refuse to buy into this whole zero tolerance no violence bullshiat. I asked the director, should I instead of tellign my son to defend himself, simply sue you? Tie you up in court? I have a zero tolerance policy of letting my kids get hit, so, why does your policy over ride mine? Now, I've had my other child go through this school including the all day private day care, put in many volunteer hours both in the class room and physical plant, donated dollars and items, including an extra 2 computers for the kindergarten and pre k class, so we've been involved with this facility for years now.
 
2009-06-25 10:56:08 AM
amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

They make combo units pretty cheap these days. Friend has one that takes pictures/video when the light comes on, and saves them to USB/Flash cards.

Holds a *lot* of footage, and takes good enough pictures that the police made an arrest and got his car back....

Vendor please?

I will see if I can find it out. Ia m not sure off the top of my head. He said it was from Menards, and only cost $75 or so -- which is better than $40 for the motion light, and then another $75 for the camera + hookups.


I don't think we have Menard's here. I'm in MA.

I'll probably stop by Lowe's on the way home, hope I can find what you are suggesting, and thanks BTW. Appreciated.
 
2009-06-25 10:57:41 AM
kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

They make combo units pretty cheap these days. Friend has one that takes pictures/video when the light comes on, and saves them to USB/Flash cards.

Holds a *lot* of footage, and takes good enough pictures that the police made an arrest and got his car back....

Vendor please?

I will see if I can find it out. Ia m not sure off the top of my head. He said it was from Menards, and only cost $75 or so -- which is better than $40 for the motion light, and then another $75 for the camera + hookups.

I don't think we have Menard's here. I'm in MA.

I'll probably stop by Lowe's on the way home, hope I can find what you are suggesting, and thanks BTW. Appreciated.



Is it possible to find the unit online to order? IF you can't there are Menards here, if you need one shipped.
 
2009-06-25 11:01:36 AM
kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

They make combo units pretty cheap these days. Friend has one that takes pictures/video when the light comes on, and saves them to USB/Flash cards.

Holds a *lot* of footage, and takes good enough pictures that the police made an arrest and got his car back....

Vendor please?

I will see if I can find it out. Ia m not sure off the top of my head. He said it was from Menards, and only cost $75 or so -- which is better than $40 for the motion light, and then another $75 for the camera + hookups.

I don't think we have Menard's here. I'm in MA.

I'll probably stop by Lowe's on the way home, hope I can find what you are suggesting, and thanks BTW. Appreciated.


http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=385460

Sam's Club, but it is similar.
 
2009-06-25 11:02:05 AM
Magnir: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

They make combo units pretty cheap these days. Friend has one that takes pictures/video when the light comes on, and saves them to USB/Flash cards.

Holds a *lot* of footage, and takes good enough pictures that the police made an arrest and got his car back....

Vendor please?

I will see if I can find it out. Ia m not sure off the top of my head. He said it was from Menards, and only cost $75 or so -- which is better than $40 for the motion light, and then another $75 for the camera + hookups.

I don't think we have Menard's here. I'm in MA.

I'll probably stop by Lowe's on the way home, hope I can find what you are suggesting, and thanks BTW. Appreciated.


Is it possible to find the unit online to order? IF you can't there are Menards here, if you need one shipped.


Maybe if I felt like it could wait a day...

The point is that he understands my actions are a direct consequence of his. We had some fun last night on his account, we'll have some tonight on my account. It needs to happen that way, otherwise, the point is lost.
 
2009-06-25 11:02:13 AM
justbob2000: BEAT HIS LITTLE ASS! If he so much as says one word BEAT IT AGAIN!

WTF is wrong with parents nowdays?


This.
 
2009-06-25 11:04:22 AM
amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

They make combo units pretty cheap these days. Friend has one that takes pictures/video when the light comes on, and saves them to USB/Flash cards.

Holds a *lot* of footage, and takes good enough pictures that the police made an arrest and got his car back....

Vendor please?

I will see if I can find it out. Ia m not sure off the top of my head. He said it was from Menards, and only cost $75 or so -- which is better than $40 for the motion light, and then another $75 for the camera + hookups.

I don't think we have Menard's here. I'm in MA.

I'll probably stop by Lowe's on the way home, hope I can find what you are suggesting, and thanks BTW. Appreciated.

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=385460

Sam's Club, but it is similar.


Thanks, GF has a Sam's membership. I'll check BJ's tonight before Lowe's. If I strike out at both of those, I'll drag her (and him) along to Sam's. Probably take a side trip to GameStop to trade in the Xbox (that's going to hurt, but I gotta do what I gotta do).
 
2009-06-25 11:07:23 AM
kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

They make combo units pretty cheap these days. Friend has one that takes pictures/video when the light comes on, and saves them to USB/Flash cards.

Holds a *lot* of footage, and takes good enough pictures that the police made an arrest and got his car back....

Vendor please?

I will see if I can find it out. Ia m not sure off the top of my head. He said it was from Menards, and only cost $75 or so -- which is better than $40 for the motion light, and then another $75 for the camera + hookups.

I don't think we have Menard's here. I'm in MA.

I'll probably stop by Lowe's on the way home, hope I can find what you are suggesting, and thanks BTW. Appreciated.

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=385460

Sam's Club, but it is similar.

Thanks, GF has a Sam's membership. I'll check BJ's tonight before Lowe's. If I strike out at both of those, I'll drag her (and him) along to Sam's. Probably take a side trip to GameStop to trade in the Xbox (that's going to hurt, but I gotta do what I gotta do).


Make a lesson out of it. Trade in the xbox for money to buy the camera/light.
 
2009-06-25 11:10:38 AM
amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

They make combo units pretty cheap these days. Friend has one that takes pictures/video when the light comes on, and saves them to USB/Flash cards.

Holds a *lot* of footage, and takes good enough pictures that the police made an arrest and got his car back....

Vendor please?

I will see if I can find it out. Ia m not sure off the top of my head. He said it was from Menards, and only cost $75 or so -- which is better than $40 for the motion light, and then another $75 for the camera + hookups.

I don't think we have Menard's here. I'm in MA.

I'll probably stop by Lowe's on the way home, hope I can find what you are suggesting, and thanks BTW. Appreciated.

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=385460

Sam's Club, but it is similar.

Thanks, GF has a Sam's membership. I'll check BJ's tonight before Lowe's. If I strike out at both of those, I'll drag her (and him) along to Sam's. Probably take a side trip to GameStop to trade in the Xbox (that's going to hurt, but I gotta do what I gotta do).

Make a lesson out of it. Trade in the xbox for money to buy the camera/light.


It's a good idea, unfortunately, Gamestop only gives store credit, which I would probably use as a lesson as I buy his sister some more DS games (which he'd probably play, so they'd have to be geared towards a 7 year old girl to be effective).
 
2009-06-25 11:19:04 AM
www.magicmoviemachine.com

/180+ comments and I had to do it
//You're all slipping
///Shu uhh!
 
2009-06-25 11:21:34 AM
I'm just going to randomly interject here, that I looooove me my vasectomy.

//Shudder
///Best of luck, Kevljo
 
2009-06-25 11:22:29 AM
Bathia_Mapes: One of the article commenters apparently doesn't know the difference between ODD & OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder):

My son has O.C.D,Autism and A.D.H.D and while he is an incredible handful,he has not and will never be anything like the levl of boy in this report.

If he is indeed O.C.D there will be medications,therapy and lessons to learn to help himself.

With all the assistance he has had with special school units,therepists etc this boy will have a well recorded history of issues which will serve to protect him and set the scene for the future support that he needs.

If he doesn;t have O.C.D,it will also be clear and correct diagnosis if required will serve to get him the support he needs as well as protecting others from his reign of terror


If it's Oppositional Defiance Disorder, there's also a cure.

Biatch-slap the little brat.
 
2009-06-25 11:24:55 AM
Magnir: AbbeySomeone: I'm tired of all these so called disorders being used as a feeble excuse for shiatty parenting and out of control kids. If the kids are a menace to society, they should be isolated and dealt with appropriately.
There was a girl in my daughters preschool that would randomly bite other children. When I requested that she be kept away from my daughter, her mother told me I lacked compassion for her issues.
Yeah!

Well, I am sure this is not going to be a popular opinion hereabouts, but on a similar subject. My youngest son who is now 4 had a few issues where a different boy at preschool would hit him or try to bite him. My son is a rough houser, but also pretty good at following rules, so he listened to the sheep-inducing doctrine of no hitting others etc. After talking with the school three times, and the other parent, I told my son if that kid hit or bit him again to hit him back as hard as he could, a few times. It worked, my son cleaned that little kids clock, kid cried his eyes out both sets of parents had a conference, and the brat never bothers my son again. I maintained during the discussion that we had followed their protocol as long as safely possible, and if they were nto willing to ensure my son would notbe hit by the other child my son would. They've since taken better steps to isolate the other kid, and my son still gets to play with his friends he loves and learn from the teacher he adores.


As a little guy in daycare my son was picked on by another boy in his class... until the day my son was going down the slide and the other little punk yanked off his shoe and wouldn't give it back. Sure, the little bully got first aid and sent home early that day while I got a stern lecture about violence and fingernail length but my son got his shoe back, a peaceful rest of the term, ice cream, and his nails trimmed. Win/win ;-)
 
2009-06-25 11:51:08 AM
GAT_00: Oppositional Defiant Disorder is a recognised psychiatric condition said to affect between one and 16 per cent of school-age children.

They are consistently surly, with a pattern of unco-operative, defiant and hostile behaviour towards authority figures.

How does this not describe every teenager?


Psych tried to tell us my daughter had ODD because she punched a girl who cut in line in front of her. We asked, "Tell us, doc, if this had been our son, would you call it ODD?" "Well, no, that's typical boy behavior". "We're done here, doc, see ya later." Now she's a kickass femgrrl who takes no bullshiat from anyone and I couldn't be prouder (sniff)
 
2009-06-25 11:51:57 AM
kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

They make combo units pretty cheap these days. Friend has one that takes pictures/video when the light comes on, and saves them to USB/Flash cards.

Holds a *lot* of footage, and takes good enough pictures that the police made an arrest and got his car back....

Vendor please?

I will see if I can find it out. Ia m not sure off the top of my head. He said it was from Menards, and only cost $75 or so -- which is better than $40 for the motion light, and then another $75 for the camera + hookups.

I don't think we have Menard's here. I'm in MA.

I'll probably stop by Lowe's on the way home, hope I can find what you are suggesting, and thanks BTW. Appreciated.

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=385460

Sam's Club, but it is similar.

Thanks, GF has a Sam's membership. I'll check BJ's tonight before Lowe's. If I strike out at both of those, I'll drag her (and him) along to Sam's. Probably take a side trip to GameStop to trade in the Xbox (that's going to hurt, but I gotta do what I gotta do).

Make a lesson out of it. Trade in the xbox for money to buy the camera/light.

It's a good idea, unfortunately, Gamestop only gives store credit, which I would probably use as a lesson as I buy his sister some more DS games (which he'd probably play, so they'd have to be geared towards a 7 year old girl to be effective).


kev

i really hope this works for you -- it takes some gonads to put your money where your mouth is.

i'd like to know how it plays out...
 
2009-06-25 11:59:41 AM
Mudd's woman: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: amanogowa: kevljo: Tonight, I'm going to come home with a motion detecting porch light, and a security camera system.

They make combo units pretty cheap these days. Friend has one that takes pictures/video when the light comes on, and saves them to USB/Flash cards.

Holds a *lot* of footage, and takes good enough pictures that the police made an arrest and got his car back....

Vendor please?

I will see if I can find it out. Ia m not sure off the top of my head. He said it was from Menards, and only cost $75 or so -- which is better than $40 for the motion light, and then another $75 for the camera + hookups.

I don't think we have Menard's here. I'm in MA.

I'll probably stop by Lowe's on the way home, hope I can find what you are suggesting, and thanks BTW. Appreciated.

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=385460

Sam's Club, but it is similar.

Thanks, GF has a Sam's membership. I'll check BJ's tonight before Lowe's. If I strike out at both of those, I'll drag her (and him) along to Sam's. Probably take a side trip to GameStop to trade in the Xbox (that's going to hurt, but I gotta do what I gotta do).

Make a lesson out of it. Trade in the xbox for money to buy the camera/light.

It's a good idea, unfortunately, Gamestop only gives store credit, which I would probably use as a lesson as I buy his sister some more DS games (which he'd probably play, so they'd have to be geared towards a 7 year old girl to be effective).

kev

i really hope this works for you -- it takes some gonads to put your money where your mouth is.

i'd like to know how it plays out...


As would I. I mean if that happened to me I would be pissed.

Good luck with the PO shiat.
 
2009-06-25 12:11:35 PM
Mrs. Chomsky: when did it become en vogue to prounounce having disorders like they're farking character traits? AARGH.

Not long after it became en vogue to describe character traits as having disorders.

In all seriousness, ODD is a real thing, though like many "school-age disorders" it is horribly overdiagnosed. This doesn't mean it's not dangerous. Someone with a genuine case of ODD needs accommodations and facilities that, to be perfectly frank, a normal school environment cannot provide, nor should it be expected to given the bona fide danger such students present to faculty, staff, and the other students.
 
2009-06-25 12:17:14 PM
I'm trying to work on my British slang, correct me if im wrong. The mother, (and possibly the son) would be Chav's right?
 
2009-06-25 12:20:30 PM
Millennium: Mrs. Chomsky: when did it become en vogue to prounounce having disorders like they're farking character traits? AARGH.

Not long after it became en vogue to describe character traits as having disorders.

In all seriousness, ODD is a real thing, though like many "school-age disorders" it is horribly overdiagnosed. This doesn't mean it's not dangerous. Someone with a genuine case of ODD needs accommodations and facilities that, to be perfectly frank, a normal school environment cannot provide, nor should it be expected to given the bona fide danger such students present to faculty, staff, and the other students.


Well, it would be fairly trivial to fix that, and allow schools the authority to punish students again. No need to make special schools, just allow the existing ones something better than 'time out'.
 
2009-06-25 12:21:19 PM
Berz: I'm trying to work on my British slang, correct me if im wrong. The mother, (and possibly the son) would be a Chav's offspring right?

//Superfluous apostrophes bug me
//But yes
 
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